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Brooks Reed

VTexan said:
I could even see JJ Watt lining up at DT in the future. We'd have Mario, Watt, Smith, Barwin, Cushing, Reed all rushing the qb on a blitz.
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On passing downs I'd like to see them all standing and moving around maybe one down lineman. Mix it up. Rush some, drop some.

All those guys would be nearly impossible to block.
 
Rey said:
On passing downs I'd like to see them all standing and moving around maybe one down lineman. Mix it up. Rush some, drop some.

All those guys would be nearly impossible to block.
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I saw this vs. Jacksonville. On a 3rd and long in the second half, the Texans only down lineman was Antonio Smith, who was playing NT. Everyone else was standing. Smith almost got a sack on the play.
 
dream_team said:
Big props to Brooks for creating pressure and getting some sacks! He's really filling in well for one of the league's best, especially for only being a rookie.

Now getting that out of the way... the guy, in my eyes, is still raw. He's beating people by pure speed. But if an OL gets their hands on him, I haven't seen him have the ability to shed the block. Right now, he's sorta a one-trick pony when it comes to rushing the passer.

But I'm really rooting for the guy to develop his rush moves. He needs to learn how to beat blocks in order to bring pressure and create havoc on every play. He needs to draw the protection's attention. Once he can do this, then we can start talking about the possibility of not bringing Mario back next season.
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Yep, mark anderson had 14 sacks as a situational rusher as a 3rd round rookie. Since that time, he hasn't smelled double digit sacks. Cameron wmbley was the same although he had a rebirth last year. Those guys had 1 move, speed rush and couldn't convert speed to power. Hopefully reed will be capable one day, but right now he can't.
 
Man he's been playing well. And it's not just the sacks. He's getting pressure consistently and he's made several plays in the run game. I frankly expected him and Watt to make an impact next season, but not this year. IMO both should be DROY, just wondering who will get it.
 
hradhak said:
Man he's been playing well. And it's not just the sacks. He's getting pressure consistently and he's made several plays in the run game. I frankly expected him and Watt to make an impact next season, but not this year. IMO both should be DROY, just wondering who will get it.
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Watt's a freak'n football player. PERIOD!!

Country Hulk.
 
If this defense is top 5 at the end of the year and Reed gets double digit sacks and/or gets national awards such as Pro bowl/Defensive Rookie of the Year etc etc., at what point do you consider letting Mario walk and save the money to use at other positions?
 
Playmaker said:
If this defense is top 5 at the end of the year and Reed gets double digit sacks and/or gets national awards such as Pro bowl/Defensive Rookie of the Year etc etc., at what point do you consider letting Mario walk and save the money to use at other positions?
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The day after the Superbowl.

Oh, you said "consider"...

I've already been considering it for weeks...
 
Playmaker said:
If this defense is top 5 at the end of the year and Reed gets double digit sacks and/or gets national awards such as Pro bowl/Defensive Rookie of the Year etc etc., at what point do you consider letting Mario walk and save the money to use at other positions?
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no reason to pay mario
 
5 sacks with 6 games to go. If Reed can get to 10 or more i definitely think hes going to be one of the leading candidates for DROY along with Von Miller. Aldon Smith could be in the race but i don't see it as he's not a every down player and mostly plays on passing downs unlike Reed.

I also think Watt should garner some attention but he dosen't play the pretty positions even though hes had a stellar rookie year so far.

If Reed or Watt win it how sick would it be to have 3 DROY out of the last 6 years.
 
Naiirb said:
5 sacks with 6 games to go. If Reed can get to 10 or more i definitely think hes going to be one of the leading candidates for DROY along with Von Miller. Aldon Smith could be in the race but i don't see it as he's not a every down player and mostly plays on passing downs unlike Reed.

I also think Watt should garner some attention but he dosen't play the pretty positions even though hes had a stellar rookie year so far.

If Reed or Watt win it how sick would it be to have 3 DROY out of the last 6 years.
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Patrick Peterson has DPOY locked up already even though the big plays he has made have been on ST.
 
Playmaker said:
If this defense is top 5 at the end of the year and Reed gets double digit sacks and/or gets national awards such as Pro bowl/Defensive Rookie of the Year etc etc., at what point do you consider letting Mario walk and save the money to use at other positions?
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My opinion, is that you need Mario if this is the case.

Now if Reed & Barwin have double digit sacks & we aren't blitzing as much..... Then I'll be fine with letting Mario walk.

For years, Mario has been the best player on defense, with no help. We started this year, & everyone across the line was getting sacks. JJ Watt, Barwin, Antonio, Mario & even Cody.

When all those guys are involved with pressuring the QB (& I know sacks aren't the end all be all, but if you're getting sacks, you're getting hurries, pressures, & hits). Then you've got something.

If at the end of the year, Brooks is the only one with double digit sacks, & no one else is close, then it doesn't make sense to me to not bring Mario back.
 
thunderkyss said:
My opinion, is that you need Mario if this is the case.

Now if Reed & Barwin have double digit sacks & we aren't blitzing as much..... Then I'll be fine with letting Mario walk.

For years, Mario has been the best player on defense, with no help. We started this year, & everyone across the line was getting sacks. JJ Watt, Barwin, Antonio, Mario & even Cody.

When all those guys are involved with pressuring the QB (& I know sacks aren't the end all be all, but if you're getting sacks, you're getting hurries, pressures, & hits). Then you've got something.

If at the end of the year, Brooks is the only one with double digit sacks, & no one else is close, then it doesn't make sense to me to not bring Mario back.
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I can't see this defense not blitzing down the stretch, Wade sees that its successful and he'll keep doing it.

I am intrigued of a future LB corps of Mario/Cushing/Ryans/Reed with Barwin and Sharpton providing depth though.
 
Playmaker said:
I can't see this defense not blitzing down the stretch, Wade sees that its successful and he'll keep doing it.

I am intrigued of a future LB corps of Mario/Cushing/Ryans/Reed with Barwin and Sharpton providing depth though.
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There's nothing wrong with blitzing. It has to be done in balance though. From time to time, you have to get pressure without blitzing.
 
Mr teX said:
Patrick Peterson has DPOY locked up already even though the big plays he has made have been on ST.
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I'm not sure if you're joking or not, but he isn't even close to ROY or DPOY. Von Miller, Cam Newton, Andy Dalton, AJ Green, Marcell Dareus, Aldon Smith, and Julio Jones are all playing great and getting noticed. Peterson has been picked on in coverage all year. He gets targeted about 6 times a game.

Opposing QBs have an average 80 qb rating against him and they have racked up over 400 yards this season with a 55% completion rate. Without his special teams TDs he would be in bust watch.
 
thunderkyss said:
My opinion, is that you need Mario if this is the case.

Now if Reed & Barwin have double digit sacks & we aren't blitzing as much..... Then I'll be fine with letting Mario walk.

For years, Mario has been the best player on defense, with no help. We started this year, & everyone across the line was getting sacks. JJ Watt, Barwin, Antonio, Mario & even Cody.

When all those guys are involved with pressuring the QB (& I know sacks aren't the end all be all, but if you're getting sacks, you're getting hurries, pressures, & hits). Then you've got something.

If at the end of the year, Brooks is the only one with double digit sacks, & no one else is close, then it doesn't make sense to me to not bring Mario back.
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nice post, for real
 
Another start, another sack for Brooks Reed! One more and he will own the rookie record....unless J.J. Watt wants to join the party! Both of them have been much better than we expected. I want to say they are perfect for our defensive system but with their non-stop motors, they probably would do well in any system.

Thank god we have a defensive coordinator who knows how to hand pick quality players.

At the end of the season, it wouldn't surprise me if Brooks had 9-10 sacks and J.J. had 5-6.
 
very impressive outing from the rookie today ... make that both rookies. reed and watt (WATT?!?!?! as i shout at my tv) are noticably growing every week. not to get ahead of what's going on now, but i cant help but wonder what these two look like in future seasons because the only flaws i see are cured by experience.
 
Scooter said:
very impressive outing from the rookie today ... make that both rookies. reed and watt (WATT?!?!?! as i shout at my tv) are noticably growing every week. not to get ahead of what's going on now, but i cant help but wonder what these two look like in future seasons because the only flaws i see are cured by experience.
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This is how you build a defense for years to come!!! I actually look forward to the defense going on the field. It's fun to see who's going to get a sack, fumble, INT, etc. No more cringing :bender:
 
jtexas said:
I'm not sure if you're joking or not, but he isn't even close to ROY or DPOY. Von Miller, Cam Newton, Andy Dalton, AJ Green, Marcell Dareus, Aldon Smith, and Julio Jones are all playing great and getting noticed. Peterson has been picked on in coverage all year. He gets targeted about 6 times a game.


Opposing QBs have an average 80 qb rating against him and they have racked up over 400 yards this season with a 55% completion rate. Without his special teams TDs he would be in bust watch.
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Not sure how Newton, Dalton, Green & Jones qualify for DROY as they are all offensive guys....

& Lol, Stop kidding yourself..Dareus is not in the running, he's done nothing to stand out..not a bust, but certainly hasn't done anything to warrant DROY consideration.

& you said it yourself Smith isn't even an every down guy & is just another guy playing on an outstanding defense.

It's between Miller & Peterson

Miller probably should be the guy, but he's getting killed by Tebow-mania; If he doesn't show up this thursday in prime time he may be doomed.

I say peterson b/c he's made the most "highlight" plays that have directly impacted games....that's all anyone's looking at.

Reed & Watt fall somewhere in where CM III did in his rookie yr. He had 10 sacks that year but noone really paid attention b/c he was hurt early on & he wasn't a full time starter just yet............... It was also Rodgers' coming out party that year.
 
Brooks Reed and JJ Watt looked good yesterday.

The most impressive thing I saw from Reed was the batted ball...That is showing activity. Affecting the game in multiple ways.
 
Mr teX said:
Not sure how Newton, Dalton, Green & Jones qualify for DROY as they are all offensive guys....

& Lol, Stop kidding yourself..Dareus is not in the running, he's done nothing to stand out..not a bust, but certainly hasn't done anything to warrant DROY consideration.

& you said it yourself Smith isn't even an every down guy & is just another guy playing on an outstanding defense.

It's between Miller & Peterson

Miller probably should be the guy, but he's getting killed by Tebow-mania; If he doesn't show up this thursday in prime time he may be doomed.

I say peterson b/c he's made the most "highlight" plays that have directly impacted games....that's all anyone's looking at.

Reed & Watt fall somewhere in where CM III did in his rookie yr. He had 10 sacks that year but noone really paid attention b/c he was hurt early on & he wasn't a full time starter just yet............... It was also Rodgers' coming out party that year.
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It's more between Aldon Smith and Von Miller than anybody else.
 
Peterson has zero chance at DROY. ZERO! You don't win DROY for returning kicks.

I know some of you will never get this and some just don't want to but this defense is better with Reed at LB than it is with Mario at LB. Not saying Reed is better than Mario either. Just saying that with Reed in there with Barwin we are Unpredictable. Reed and Barwin are interchangeable. They are both good at dropping into coverage.

When Mario is in the game you know he is the one coming 98% of the time. And for the guy who says you can't blitz all the time, sure you can as long as you mix it up and come from different positions. Wade has done a beautiful job of this since Reed has Become a starter. I don't see him letting up either. Why stop if it is working?

Having said all this I still hope Mario is signed to a reasonable contract and is put back where he belongs, DE. Watt would be a huge upgrade over Cody. Like I have been saying all year, this gets our best players on the field.
 
mussop said:
Peterson has zero chance at DROY. ZERO! You don't win DROY for returning kicks.

I know some of you will never get this and some just don't want to but this defense is better with Reed at LB than it is with Mario at LB. Not saying Reed is better than Mario either. Just saying that with Reed in there with Barwin we are Unpredictable. Reed and Barwin are interchangeable. They are both good at dropping into coverage.

When Mario is in the game you know he is the one coming 98% of the time. And for the guy who says you can't blitz all the time, sure you can as long as you mix it up and come from different positions. Wade has done a beautiful job of this since Reed has Become a starter. I don't see him letting up either. Why stop if it is working?

Having said all this I still hope Mario is signed to a reasonable contract and is put back where he belongs, DE. Watt would be a huge upgrade over Cody. Like I have been saying all year, this gets our best players on the field.
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Watt is better suited to a 3-4 DE or a 4-3 DT. I don't think he would be a good NT in a 3-4. I do agree Mario would be better off moving back to DE in a 4-3, but he wasn't doing too bad as an OLB in Wade's system. He is still tied with Reed for the most sacks (5) on the team, and he's missed like 5 or 6 games. So he was doing a pretty good job. Do I think Reed is better suited to that position? Yes, but I don't think moving Mario to a 3-4 DE and Watt to a 3-4 NT is the answer.

What is the answer? IMO it is to franchise Mario and see how he comes back at the OLB position. If he's doing well, then we have great depth at that position and after next year you can resign him or look for a trade for multiple draft picks. If he doesn't work out or Reed is just too good to sit, then I'm sure there are multiple 4-3 teams out there that would love to trade for Mario.
 
b0ng said:
It's more between Aldon Smith and Von Miller than anybody else.
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I agree... but if things continue as they are going now, I´m pretty sure that either Watt or Reed... maybe both... will be in the discussion as well. Reed may very well end up with around 10 sacks, and Watt just does everything extremely well and reliable. But in the end, my money is on Von Miller...
 
mussop said:
Peterson has zero chance at DROY. ZERO! You don't win DROY for returning kicks.

I know some of you will never get this and some just don't want to but this defense is better with Reed at LB than it is with Mario at LB. Not saying Reed is better than Mario either. Just saying that with Reed in there with Barwin we are Unpredictable. Reed and Barwin are interchangeable. They are both good at dropping into coverage.

When Mario is in the game you know he is the one coming 98% of the time. And for the guy who says you can't blitz all the time, sure you can as long as you mix it up and come from different positions. Wade has done a beautiful job of this since Reed has Become a starter. I don't see him letting up either. Why stop if it is working?

Having said all this I still hope Mario is signed to a reasonable contract and is put back where he belongs, DE. Watt would be a huge upgrade over Cody. Like I have been saying all year, this gets our best players on the field.
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All this crap reminds me about how everyone was sooo concerned about the middle of our run defense & how we'd get killed up the middle b/c noone on our team is big/good enough to hold up in a 3-4 as a run stopping plug. 10 games later, our run defense has been great & this has been a non-issue.

I say that to say, just b/c you keep saying the above doesn't make it true.

You guys just don't get it. Here it is pretty much from the horse's mouth about how much dropping into coverage Wade's OLB do in his version of the 3-4:

" Phillips said DeMarcus Ware, who filled the same role for him in Dallas, dropped maybe 15 times total last season. Shawne Merriman, who also played the spot for Phillips in San Diego, was rarely used in coverage, either. "It's really just an outside rush guy who rushes most of the time," Phillips said. "It should be a good thing for Mario. That's what he does well. They know he's going to be coming. We just have to move him around."

So spare me the BS about unpredictability. Wade doesn't run his version of the 3-4 the traditional way & wasn't/isn't too concerned about it. My question to you all is why are you guys so obsessed with the getting an OLB that's great at dropping into coverage when he'll being do so a total 15-20 times a season in wade's system. What's more is why be concerned about "unpredicatability" when the proven D-coordinator who's run his system successfully in the NFL for 20+ years isn't? Not sure why this is so hard to grasp for some.

Furthermore what plays has Reed made in coverage to give you this idea that Reed is sooooo much better in coverage than Mario is/was? The answer is none.

I like Reed too & foresee him being a force next year, but the reality of it is I don't foresee his play affecting whether or not Mario is here next year or not. He will be here. its just a matter of where will Reed be.
 
Mr teX said:
.....It's between Miller & Peterson

Miller probably should be the guy, but he's getting killed by Tebow-mania; If he doesn't show up this thursday in prime time he may be doomed.

I say peterson b/c he's made the most "highlight" plays that have directly impacted games....that's all anyone's looking at.

Reed & Watt fall somewhere in where CM III did in his rookie yr. He had 10 sacks that year but noone really paid attention b/c he was hurt early on & he wasn't a full time starter just yet............... It was also Rodgers' coming out party that year.
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As others have said you don't win DROY by returning kicks. See Devin Hester who played on the defensive side of the ball, had a phenomenal rookie year, made all pro, and didnt win the award.


b0ng said:
It's more between Aldon Smith and Von Miller than anybody else.
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Von Miller is certainly in contention but at this point i would consider Brooks Reed over Aldon Smith. Smith only has 1.5 more sacks than Reed despite playing since the start of the season and Reed has nearly double the amount of tackles. Add on top Smith is not a every down player mostly plays on passing down unlike Reed.

If the Texans finish in the top 5 in defense and Reed has 10 or more sacks its gonna be a real tight race between him and Von Miller.

edit: I haven't really payed much attention to the Redskins but it looks like Kerrigan is having a pretty good rookie year just looking at his stats.
 
Mr teX said:
I like Reed too & foresee him being a force next year, but the reality of it is I don't foresee his play affecting whether or not Mario is here next year or not. He will be here. its just a matter of where will Reed be.
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Just imagine how tough Reed is going to look when he's playing with Mario on the other side of him next year.

We'll have to come up with even more nick-names.
 
mussop said:
Peterson has zero chance at DROY. ZERO! You don't win DROY for returning kicks.

I know some of you will never get this and some just don't want to but this defense is better with Reed at LB than it is with Mario at LB. Not saying Reed is better than Mario either. Just saying that with Reed in there with Barwin we are Unpredictable. Reed and Barwin are interchangeable. They are both good at dropping into coverage.

When Mario is in the game you know he is the one coming 98% of the time. And for the guy who says you can't blitz all the time, sure you can as long as you mix it up and come from different positions. Wade has done a beautiful job of this since Reed has Become a starter. I don't see him letting up either. Why stop if it is working?

Having said all this I still hope Mario is signed to a reasonable contract and is put back where he belongs, DE. Watt would be a huge upgrade over Cody. Like I have been saying all year, this gets our best players on the field.
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I agree with you about the blitz being unpredictable, but the thing I'm looking at with Mario in is that not only is he still racking up sacks when they know he's coming, he's also causing guys like Watt and Antonio (who has been good but not as much since Mario went down) to get one-on-one matchups that garner sacks.

We will re-sign Mario, no doubt. And if Brooks develops solidly not only will we not have to worry about depth anymore, but we have a wonderful luxury of always having fresh rushers. I'm certain that this would allow Mario to rest more often, which will cause him to get better, and also allow the uncertainty of where the rush is coming from, as you were mentioning.
 
There were rumors going around that Green Bay were going to draft Brooks Reed and team him up with Hawk and Matthews, because good teams like to accumulate depth and talent.

If Kareem and Allen continue to develop under Wade's system, who's to say we can't have Mario be a part of our linebacking core, while attempting to plug other holes through the draft?

Eventually, Brooks - if he continues to improve at this pace - will command big money, are we going to throw him aside too then?
 
Dump marios salary and use it for a legit WR and another lockdown corner. No way we should burn 20 million for mario when we havent missed a beat and one could argue we have actually gotten better.
 
4x4tx said:
Dump marios salary and use it for a legit WR and another lockdown corner. No way we should burn 20 million for mario when we havent missed a beat and one could argue we have actually gotten better.
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They have been more effective in coverage and balanced in the way they collapse the pocket and get to the QB since Reed stepped in. They have definitely been a better defense the last two weeks with Reed in there. Mario looks like depth or trade bait at this point. Of course we know how hard it is to stay healthy with this team so it's looking like depth.
 
6 games started, 6 sacks, breaking Okoye's rookie sack record of 5.5 with 5 games to go!!! Way to go Brooks!
 
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