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Broncos - 49'ers swap picks

Kas which WR that is first round quality will be there with that pick. It just seems they now have the ability to take that offensive playmaker, and then will be able to address the D with a very good player.
 
i definitely see your point. and it makes sense. however, this deal was initiated by the broncos. they've been talking for several days now as the broncos initially wanted to find a way to trade up and grab davis. i don't think denver would've made this trade here had they thought san fran would take davis. from all i've heard in the past month or so regarding san francisco, their #1 target is defense.

i don't have a value chart in front of me, but there could be 2 more deals out of this: denver trading up for davis, and san fran trading up to new orleans for mario williams. i'm pretty sure when you put the picks together, it makes sense.

the niners' trade isn't THAT likely, but i definitely anticipate denver to trade up.
 
kastofsna said:
i definitely see your point. and it makes sense. however, this deal was initiated by the broncos. they've been talking for several days now as the broncos initially wanted to find a way to trade up and grab davis. i don't think denver would've made this trade here had they thought san fran would take davis. from all i've heard in the past month or so regarding san francisco, their #1 target is defense.

i don't have a value chart in front of me, but there could be 2 more deals out of this: denver trading up for davis, and san fran trading up to new orleans for mario williams. i'm pretty sure when you put the picks together, it makes sense.

the niners' trade isn't THAT likely, but i definitely anticipate denver to trade up.
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I don't know. If Denver wanted Davis so bad why didn't they get the Niners #6 pick? I'm sure that the Niners would be willing to give up #6 for #15 and #22. If Denver wants to move up they will have to give up #15 anyways, so why not give it to the Niners? I think that Denver is trying to add quality players while reducing the payroll and the Niners are trying to get 2 elite players (1 for offense 1 for defense).
 
tulexan said:
I don't know. If Denver wanted Davis so bad why didn't they get the Niners #6 pick? I'm sure that the Niners would be willing to give up #6 for #15 and #22. If Denver wants to move up they will have to give up #15 anyways, so why not give it to the Niners? I think that Denver is trying to add quality players while reducing the payroll and the Niners are trying to get 2 elite players (1 for offense 1 for defense).
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the value isn't there. the #6 pick isn't worth as much as the #15 and #22. however, since they've now got the 37th pick int he 2nd round, they could package that, along with the 15 to move up as high as 8 to oakland, or they can throw in their other 2nd and move up to green bay, depending on whether they want to move down or not.
 
Sarg01 said:
Consider the "Sweet 6":

RB Bush
LB Hawk
TE Davis
DE Williams
OT Ferguson
QB Young

One of these guys is there at 6, mathematical certainty. Add in a Matt Leinart above 6 and you get your choice of any two.
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I think the "sweet 6" includes Huff and not Young... certainly it does for our purposes. 6 is the ideal spot for us. We get the best DE, OT, RB, LB, FS/CB, or TE to enter the NFL in a number of years.
 
I would consider it, if they threw in a #1 next year or some other very good sweetener. I'd prefer to stay higher than 6 however and get Bush, Brick or Mario.
 
Not every team that gets extra first round picks do it to trade up. Most of the time they keep the picks to build a better team. I really don't think that there is a chance that the Niners will trade up to #1.

Chargers had 2 firsts last year
Cowboys had 2 firsts last year
Redskins had 2 firsts last year.

None of them traded up and none of them probably regret it either. With a draft this loaded with first round talent, the Niners are going to stay where they are and build both their offense and defense in the first round. Nolan is committed to his plan and I don't see him blowing up the draft for one player when they have so many needs.
 
done88 said:
So if San Fran offers 6 and 22 and their first next year would we be willing to trade #1?
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Yes and I don't think it is that farfetched. If you want Reggie Bush because you think he is the best player in ten years to come out, you do it. A lot of so-called experts put him there. I don't see why the Broncos have more firepower to move up either when they just lost a first rounder. Yes it is unlikely this happens because they need the picks and Gore looked pretty decent at the end of the year. I would then draft for defense and forget about RB. Great he can run fast and make some good moves. So could Barry Sanders but it never got the Lions to far. Defense wins championships period. Except for the Rams. Fire away
 
El Tejano said:
What if San Fran calls us and says they want to trade the #6 and #22 for our #1?

The way everything has been going, that could land us Vince Young maybe or at worse AJ Hawk.
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Sold...
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Why not???
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I don't know....something like the over 100 million dollars they would have invested on just two players that have either not played at all in the NFL....or has and has been pretty marginal (granted it was his first year and he was switching O types).
 
Using the trade chart, would you do this trade
NY Jets 4 & 29 for San Fran's 6 & 22?
1800+640 for 1600+ 780
2440 for 2380
San Fran might be targeting someone at 4 or the Jets see someone they like at 22 who won't be there ar 29. Anyway, just another way to mix it up with another option.
 
If Denver is targeting Colledge with # 37, this could effect Texans if Winston is gone at #33. Winston and Colledge are the only quality OT suited for the zone blocking system. I thought that the Texans would be best served to trade down at #33 and get Colledge if Winston or someone big does not drop from 1st rnd.
Now we might consider Colledge at #33. He has been working up the mocks to Falcons 2nd round pick.
 
They made a trade with Denver to acquire there 22nd pick in the 1st round.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5519250

San Francisco is looking to get a sure-fire starting prospect at a position of need at that slot, and the chances of that greatly improved Wednesday when the Niners traded with the Denver Broncos for the No. 22 overall pick in the draft, making San Francisco one of just two teams to own two selections in the first round come April 29.
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Great move by Denver.


If we accepted a deal for the #6 and #22... i would be mad. Trading down that far is going to put us out of range of the most elite talent in this draft. If we trade down.. anything less than Mario Williams is a bad move IMO.

Vernon Davis isnt even a sure thing at #6. And what if Vince Young falls and we pass on him twice? The Burnt Orange nation is gonna be foaming at the mouth (more than usual).
 
Carr Bomb said:
College Football is NFL's minor league and of course they always have the NFLe.
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you can't send players back to college and the NFLe isn't properly set up. MLB and NBA have some.
 
nunusguy said:
IMO there's a big four, Bush & Williams & D'Brick & Hawk, the Texans are willing and would be happy to get if they trade their #1. Problem is there's also realistic probability, IMO and many others, that only one of the 3 QBs
of Leinert & Young & Cutler are top 5 picks. So #6 may not be a high enough
first rounder for the Texans to get one of the "big four", therefor a trade with
the 49ers would not appeal to them.
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No, Mel's "Elite Eight" is where we want to be. Anywhere there you get great value for money, and it's actually deeper than that.
 
2 first round picks eh? They just need another 8 or so first round picks this year and they'll get that thing back on track. Good on them!
 
mexican_texan said:
you can't send players back to college and the NFLe isn't properly set up. MLB and NBA have some.
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How isn't the NFLe not properly set up. You have 2nd or 3rd rate players given a shot in another league to see what they can do, if they have a outstanding year in most cases their given a shot, that has minors written all over it. Then you also have the AFL, there have been plenty of NFL players that have been given a shot strictly on their performance in the AFL. NFL scouts cover all these leagues including the CFL. There are already plenty of lower leagues
 
Carr Bomb said:
How isn't the NFLe not properly set up. You have 2nd or 3rd rate players given a shot in another league to see what they can do, if they have a outstanding year in most cases their given a shot, that has minors written all over it. Then you also have the AFL, there have been plenty of NFL players that have been given a shot strictly on their performance in the AFL. NFL scouts cover all these leagues including the CFL. There are already plenty of lower leagues
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The thing about the NFLe is that it is played after the season. I would like a couple of minor league teams to play here in the states, maybe in possiple relocation places like LA or a place with no team in the state or region. The CFL and AFL are sort of minor leagues, but teams can't send guys there.
 
Looks like the Broncos won't be trading up for Vernon Davis, look for them to grab Chad Jackson or Santonio Holmes at #15, if they aren't there they will probably either look for a DE or else maybe look to trade down another 5-7 picks and grab one there since any of them that are available at #15 should also be there in the 20-23 range.
 
mexican_texan said:
The thing about the NFLe is that it is played after the season. I would like a couple of minor league teams to play here in the states, maybe in possiple relocation places like LA or a place with no team in the state or region. The CFL and AFL are sort of minor leagues, but teams can't send guys there.
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I dont think the NFL can have a "minor league" type system. The risk of prospects getting injured is much higher than in baseball or basketball.
 
Grid said:
Great move by Denver.


If we accepted a deal for the #6 and #22... i would be mad. Trading down that far is going to put us out of range of the most elite talent in this draft. If we trade down.. anything less than Mario Williams is a bad move IMO.

Vernon Davis isnt even a sure thing at #6. And what if Vince Young falls and we pass on him twice? The Burnt Orange nation is gonna be foaming at the mouth (more than usual).
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I would not mind if D'Brick was there @ #6 and Tye Hill @ #22. then wait for next years two 1st rd picks :drool:
 
Well according to the Draft Pick Trade Chart (via ESPN Insider):

#1 overall (3000 pts)

for

#6 - 1600 pts
#22 - 780 pts

Texans would only need a 620 point pick (which happens to be #30 overall!). Only way that would happen is if they threw in a player...... the rest of SF picks are like this:

#100 (4th rd) - 100 pts
#140 (5th Rd) - 36 pts
#175 (6th Rd) - 22.4 pts
#192 (6th Rd) - 15.6 pts
#213 (7th Rd) - 7.2 pts
#236 (7th Rd) - 1.8 pts
#254 (7th Rd) - 0.5 pts

Now then to add some drama...... Texans trade #1 pick to SF for #6 & #22 and Player to be Named....... who is that player??
 
BTW, I do not think Huff is the same caliber DB as Roy Williams. Why draft a DB #6 and have him play Safety? CBs get drafted higher because they are more of a need. Hell, the Texans had a 6th rder start at SS last year!

No way Davis is drafted in top 10...unless DET goes offense again! LMAO! TEs do not make that big a difference to weak teams. The good teams use TEs to add to the punch...not help fix the problems. Any team that drafts Davis is a dumb team. Cleveland drafting KWII almost caused mass panic!

Maybe SF will hope DeAngelo Williams is there at #22! Check it out:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2413614
 
MikeMc said:
Well according to the Draft Pick Trade Chart (via ESPN Insider):

#1 overall (3000 pts)

for

#6 - 1600 pts
#22 - 780 pts

Texans would only need a 620 point pick (which happens to be #30 overall!). Only way that would happen is if they threw in a player...... the rest of SF picks are like this:

#100 (4th rd) - 100 pts
#140 (5th Rd) - 36 pts
#175 (6th Rd) - 22.4 pts
#192 (6th Rd) - 15.6 pts
#213 (7th Rd) - 7.2 pts
#236 (7th Rd) - 1.8 pts
#254 (7th Rd) - 0.5 pts

Now then to add some drama...... Texans trade #1 pick to SF for #6 & #22 and Player to be Named....... who is that player??
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that's exactly why the trade won't happen. not to mention how much they would have to pay two #1 overall picks 2 years in a row. san francisco will keep the picks and build. they lost several good players on defense and their only decent receiver on offense. they have frank gore who's primed for a 1000-yard season. there's no chance they invest this much into one player.
 
Trap_Star said:
I dont think the NFL can have a "minor league" type system. The risk of prospects getting injured is much higher than in baseball or basketball.
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And the other side to that coin would be allowing subs to get playing time against other teams upper level subs during the same NFL schedule so if an injury were to occur, you can "bring up" a player who has at least taken live snaps against decent level competition just the week before. Sure, a minor league may affect the shelf life of certain positions like runningbacks, but the benefit QBs and linemen can get out of it would be great.
 
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