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Broncos - 49'ers swap picks

Vinny

Vinny

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Broncos | Two draft picks acquired from 49ers
Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:39:07 -0700

The Denver Broncos have announced the team has acquired a second-round pick (No. 37 overall) and a third-round pick (No. 68) in the 2006 NFL Draft from the San Francisco 49ers. In exchange for the picks, Denver sends San Francisco one of their two first round picks, No. 22 overall.
 
San Fran should get a good player with the new pick, but I dont know if I like the trade. They need all the help they can get and could still get good players in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. I guess all they really gave up was a 3rd round pick though.
 
What if San Fran calls us and says they want to trade the #6 and #22 for our #1?

The way everything has been going, that could land us Vince Young maybe or at worse AJ Hawk.
 
El Tejano said:
What if San Fran calls us and says they want to trade the #6 and #22 for our #1?

The way everything has been going, that could land us Vince Young maybe or at worse AJ Hawk.
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Well, if it were me, I'd hang up the phone. But, as I have said in the past, I am biased.
 
El Tejano said:
What if San Fran calls us and says they want to trade the #6 and #22 for our #1?

The way everything has been going, that could land us Vince Young maybe or at worse AJ Hawk.
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I pull the trigger.
 
It would land us someone other than Vince Young, I would be shocked if we drafted him anywhere(even though I love him)

but anway it would take alot more than just that, 6 might be a little lower than we want to trade down.
 
The more I think about it, I am willing to bet that is what will happen. Trade down with the Niners. That way they can reunite Alex Smith & Reggie Bush. Reggie would probaly be more than happy to stay in California too. I hate it. But it makes sense.
 
It would put the Texans in position to have to pass on VY at 6, people are going to mad if they pass him up for Reggie Bush, imagine the uproar if the pass him up at 6 for someone like Vernon Davis (which would be a better pick than VY)
 
El Tejano said:
What if San Fran calls us and says they want to trade the #6 and #22 for our #1?

The way everything has been going, that could land us Vince Young maybe or at worse AJ Hawk.
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Ummm... no thanks...
 
Frak The Jags said:
The more I think about it, I am willing to bet that is what will happen. Trade down with the Niners. That way they can reunite Alex Smith & Reggie Bush. Reggie would probaly be more than happy to stay in California too. I hate it. But it makes sense.
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So here is a thought. Im reminded of the jerome mathis pick. We went to see him, but it was widely reported we were scouting another player, a cornerback named Bartell. We went to the proday of the player we were going to select, but disguised it. What if the player we really want is

Michael Huff.

Fills a need at safety, is about the spot he is predicted to go at....it makes sense.
We went to the UT pro-day...presumeably to look at Vince....but maybe we've all been played?
 
swtbound07 said:
So here is a thought. Im reminded of the jerome mathis pick. We went to see him, but it was widely reported we were scouting another player, a cornerback named Bartell. We went to the proday of the player we were going to select, but disguised it. What if the player we really want is

Michael Huff.

Fills a need at safety, is about the spot he is predicted to go at....it makes sense.
We went to the UT pro-day...presumeably to look at Vince....but maybe we've all been played?
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You'd be happy if the Texans drafted all UT players wouldn't you?
 
LoneStarState said:
You'd be happy if the Texans drafted all UT players wouldn't you?
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Not hardly. I prefer domonique byrd as a TE over david thomas, was advocating carlos rogers last year over derrick johnson. it was just a theory.....calm it down.
 
El Tejano said:
What if San Fran calls us and says they want to trade the #6 and #22 for our #1?

The way everything has been going, that could land us Vince Young maybe or at worse AJ Hawk.
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That would be crazy to do... that is not even close to equal value for the #1 overall... they would have to throw in more picks that they have, which are all late rounders.

They get Reggie, we get Vernon Davis, Huff, or Young at best. For sure Hawk, Ferguson, Wililams, Bush and either Leinart or Young are gone at that point.

Huff sounds intriguing if we could get more picks from them... plus my bro is a Lions fan and he wants Huff so it would be fun to take him for that reason alone.... gotta love spite.
 
after the top 5 or 6 prospects it shows the quality of depth in this draft rds. #2 & #3. the middle to the end of the 1st rd. seems very equal in terms of talent without a huge dropoff thru the 2nd rd. even the beginning of 3rd. :twocents:
 
Consider the "Sweet 6":

RB Bush
LB Hawk
TE Davis
DE Williams
OT Ferguson
QB Young

One of these guys is there at 6, mathematical certainty. Add in a Matt Leinart above 6 and you get your choice of any two.
 
El Amigo Invisible said:
Oh yes! I think that the Niners should try to get Bush somehow.
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Can they afford him, cap wise ? They had the #1 last year, and then to have it again this year, have they got the cap space to handle 2 consecutive years of #1 overalls ?
 
nunusguy said:
Can they afford him, cap wise ? They had the #1 last year, and then to have it again this year, have they got the cap space to handle 2 consecutive years of #1 overalls ?
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Cap space for this season? Sure, the 1st year number will be tolerable. The real question is can the Niners owner handout a $20+ million bonus after doing the same last season. The Yorks haven't been as free-spending as DeBartolo was.
 
folks, this isn't a niners move, it's a broncos move. they're going to try (in my opinion--no sources here) to move up with oakland or new orleans to get vernon davis or mario williams. this is the most logical.
 
Lucky said:
The all knowing Jimmy Johnson pick chart nailed this trade.

Niners get #22 (780 points)
Broncos get #37 (530 points) + #68 (250 points)
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And according to that chart the 22nd and 6th still isn't worth the 1st.
1-3000
6 - 1600 + (22) 780

still Not an even trade and I don't think we should trade down to six because you miss out on Williams, Ferguson, Bush, & possibly Hawk.
 
swtbound07 said:
So here is a thought. Im reminded of the jerome mathis pick. We went to see him, but it was widely reported we were scouting another player, a cornerback named Bartell. We went to the proday of the player we were going to select, but disguised it. What if the player we really want is

Michael Huff.

Fills a need at safety, is about the spot he is predicted to go at....it makes sense.
We went to the UT pro-day...presumeably to look at Vince....but maybe we've all been played?
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I definately wouldn't mind if the Texans picked Huff at #6. He'd make an immediate impact for the defense at FS, and he'd fill a position of need without having to reach for a player. However Davis would be an enticing pick at #6 as well. If Hawk was still around at 6 along with Huff then we'd be in a tough spot. Hard to pick between the two.
 
kastofsna said:
folks, this isn't a niners move, it's a broncos move. they're going to try (in my opinion--no sources here) to move up with oakland or new orleans to get vernon davis or mario williams. this is the most logical.
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I think they just didn't want to pay 2 guys 1st round $$$. Some feel you can get just as good a player at #37 as you can at #22 in this draft. Maybe the Broncos think this, but the Niners don't.
 
done88 said:
So if San Fran offers 6 and 26 and their first next year would we be willing to trade #1?
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i dont tihnk so, maybe, but the 49ers dont have no 26, thats the bears.
plus, they have way too many needs to be trading up.
 
San Fran has the WORST talent in the NFL. They need all those picks. They'll never make the offer.

B/c bush on their team is like campbell on the oilers.....a short career.

I'd jump on it though. Give us an excuse to draft defense.
 
the talks between san fran and denver began with the intent that denver would attempt to trade up to 6 and grab vernon davis. san fran wasn't going to give up their 6th pick, so denver did the best they could to get value picks. this is denver stockpiling to move up, NOT san francisco. they now have 7 picks in the first 4 rounds. i can almost guarantee it. i haven't heard anything about this situation yet, but i'm nearly 100% with this. i wouldn't get your hopes up texans fans...
 
texasguy346 said:
I definately wouldn't mind if the Texans picked Huff at #6.
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IMO there's a big four, Bush & Williams & D'Brick & Hawk, the Texans are willing and would be happy to get if they trade their #1. Problem is there's also realistic probability, IMO and many others, that only one of the 3 QBs
of Leinert & Young & Cutler are top 5 picks. So #6 may not be a high enough
first rounder for the Texans to get one of the "big four", therefor a trade with
the 49ers would not appeal to them.
 
who do the niners take with the extra pick? I glanced at the San Fran Message Boards. Looks like a lot of people want a defensive player. Maybe Allen, Sims, Cromartie, etc.
 
I really think Huff is going to be a great player on the next level. He reminds me of Brian Dawkins. They both have great closing speed, are good in coverage, and have good instincts. Dawkins is a bigger hitter than Huff, but both are very solid tacklers. The only downside to taking Huff at #6 is that you'd be paying him alot of money. He'd be in the top tier of salary for safeties right off the bat.
 
TommyS said:
i dont tihnk so, maybe, but the 49ers dont have no 26, thats the bears.
plus, they have way too many needs to be trading up.
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San Fran just traded their 2nd and 3rd for Denvers 1st rounder. I thought it was 26 it is 22 which is even better. Plus they have already traded 2 for one.
 
Niners won't trade up. They have too many needs to give up multiple picks for one player. They will keep both first round picks and build depth.
 
oso said:
who do the niners take with the extra pick? I glanced at the San Fran Message Boards. Looks like a lot of people want a defensive player. Maybe Allen, Sims, Cromartie, etc.
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I think the Niners are targeting Huff at #6 and a LB at #22. Wouldn't it be odd if Huff went before Vince Young?
 
Lucky said:
I think the Niners are targeting Huff at #6 and a LB at #22. Wouldn't it be odd if Huff went before Vince Young?
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Not to me. Huff could be special. But I guess you could say that about a lot of players. I have Huff rated higher, but due to needs, I have Young drafted before him.
 
Excellent trade for the Broncos. This will give them a ton of felxibility to move on draft day. Smart trade by a smart franchise. As far as SF, this just proves that bad teams make bad decisions. Stupid move. At the least, you wait until draft day and see who is there at #22. That far back in the first rd, there is no way to target a specific player. You have zero way of knowing if your man will be there, and unless you have someone targeted that presents great value, as a bad team, you simply don't trade away good picks in a deep draft. It's a dumb move by a dumb franchise.
 
Porky said:
Excellent trade for the Broncos. This will give them a ton of felxibility to move on draft day. Smart trade by a smart franchise. As far as SF, this just proves that bad teams make bad decisions. Stupid move. At the least, you wait until draft day and see who is there at #22. That far back in the first rd, there is no way to target a specific player. You have zero way of knowing if your man will be there, and unless you have someone targeted that presents great value, as a bad team, you simply don't trade away good picks in a deep draft. It's a dumb move by a dumb franchise.
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Given that it's a neutral value trade on the charts, I'm not sure at all why its dumb. Certain positions (RB and DBs in this draft) have several quality guys but a large drop off after the 1st round. They also desparately need at least one OL that can come in and play immediately.

I don't disagree that the SF org is bad. But the trade is neutral valuewise.
 
Lucky said:
I think the Niners are targeting Huff at #6 and a LB at #22. Wouldn't it be odd if Huff went before Vince Young?
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I don't think it would be odd. VY is undervalued and is considered the second or third best QB by many (but not me) and Huff, in addition to being a solid player, is also in a position that is very popular.
 
Porky said:
Excellent trade for the Broncos. This will give them a ton of felxibility to move on draft day. Smart trade by a smart franchise. As far as SF, this just proves that bad teams make bad decisions. Stupid move. At the least, you wait until draft day and see who is there at #22. That far back in the first rd, there is no way to target a specific player. You have zero way of knowing if your man will be there, and unless you have someone targeted that presents great value, as a bad team, you simply don't trade away good picks in a deep draft. It's a dumb move by a dumb franchise.
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As bad off as the Niners are, they are looking to fill many holes. They want guaranteed starters, not projects. I think that is their reasoning behind making the trade now. Any of a number of those players would be a boon to them. Assuming they want somebody to start in September, I can't help but think they are adding a receiver. Vernon Davis is the popular #6 pick for SF. They want to give Alex somebody to throw to.
 
Kas that is a bet you will not get many takers on. that is like showing your pocket aces and then asking the guy to call you with 7-2 offsuit. Anyway big move by the Niners and expected by Denver given their cap situation. I would assume they go with Vernon Davis for offensive help early and then Greenway, Carpenter, Wimbley, Joseph, or another corner to help them out. Problem here is that now they will have to wait awhile to try and get another corner, I would recommend they take Haas in the 5th, because he will really help out Smith also.
 
I think they are going to go after Davis with the #6 pick and Cromartie with the #22 pick. The DBs on the Niners were decimated last year and I believe that they have gotten rid of a few in the offseason. If they don't go DB with the #22 pick they will go after a LB. Of course they could take AJ Hawk at #6 if he falls and take a WR with the #22 pick.
 
Tulexan I like the thought of Davis and Cromartie cant believe I forgot him. Anyway I will likely be changing my mock to your exact picks thanks.
 
PokerStar said:
Kas that is a bet you will not get many takers on. that is like showing your pocket aces and then asking the guy to call you with 7-2 offsuit. Anyway big move by the Niners and expected by Denver given their cap situation. I would assume they go with Vernon Davis for offensive help early and then Greenway, Carpenter, Wimbley, Joseph, or another corner to help them out. Problem here is that now they will have to wait awhile to try and get another corner, I would recommend they take Haas in the 5th, because he will really help out Smith also.
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i've never seen an analogy tied so perfectly into one's avatar. well played my friend. well played.

that being said, there's this popular myth floating about that vince young is a top 3 player will be drafted as such. the titans and jets both have young as their #3 quarterback. he'll go no higher than 9 to detroit, and i think if between huff and young, detroit would take huff. then arizona would take young. seriously the ONLY two places i see him ending up is detroit or arizona. the lions don't need a QB at all, but the pressure will be on millen to make up for his mistakes the past...5 years or so. this would be a sign to the fans that he's corrected things. of course, young will be a bust and then millen will be fired, but that's not the point.

i had the niners passing on vernon davis before this trade, because they're focused more on defense. now it's tough to call. i still think they want defense at the 6th pick, and may opt to go WR at 22, but i just can't say.
 
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