HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
Yeah, I thought about that after I'd posted. Guess it shows the "talent" and lack of experience available in FA for QBs these days.
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Brian hoyer to sign with Texans
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Yeah, I thought about that after I'd posted. Guess it shows the "talent" and lack of experience available in FA for QBs these days.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Exactly.
I like Mallett. I liked what I saw of him in preseason games with the Patriots and I liked what I saw of him in the game against the Browns. I think he's going to be a great QB for us.
But that's honestly not much to go on and if I was totally objective (and I'm aware that I'm not), I'd just throw up my hands in disgust.
I don't like any of the QB options that are available this year or that were available last year (including the draft.) It's just not a great time to not have a QB.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I posted this in the Mallet thread, but think that it's probably more appropriate to be posted in this thread.
Did Hoyer have surgery on his shoulder/bicep? If so, what would his prognosis be for the upcoming season compared to Mallett with his pec surgery?
I see this as a three point issue with both Mallett and Hoyer.
1. The Brownstains and the Jets are both dumpster fires compared to the Texans and who really wants to go into a bad situation with all of the distractions, media and otherwise? The Texans offer a much more stable atmosphere.
2. Both know the offense and will have a head start as opposed to learning a whe new system.
3. The Texans are, imho, a much more talented team. That included recent player moves.
Going to a stable environment, playing on a talented roster, in an offense that you already know has to be preferable to the circus that is Manziel and the NY Jets.
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1. The Brownstains and the Jets are both dumpster fires compared to the Texans and who really wants to go into a bad situation with all of the distractions, media and otherwise? The Texans offer a much more stable atmosphere.
2. Both know the offense and will have a head start as opposed to learning a whe new system.
3. The Texans are, imho, a much more talented team. That included recent player moves.
Going to a stable environment, playing on a talented roster, in an offense that you already know has to be preferable to the circus that is Manziel and the NY Jets.
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I'm wondering if BOB is trying to play "Jedi Mindtricks" on the fans! "These are the QB's we're looking for." "There's nothing to see here." "Move along!"
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
If Mallett is the starter, which he better be over Hoyer, then the question of if Mallett sucks isn't going to matter because once we're playing that QB carousel again, going to our backups, then we're not going anywhere anyway.
The chips are in on Mallett, hopefully that parlays into something big. If it doesn't and we've got Hoyer/Savage driving the boat, then we're still in the market for a QB like half of this league is every year.
No surprise coming from you.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
I'm wondering if BOB is trying to play "Jedi Mindtricks" on the fans! "These are the QB's we're looking for." "There's nothing to see here." "Move along!"
If he neuters these guys like Fitzpatrick was last year, then I'll be upset. Fitz was a gunslinger before he came here. He threw that ball around like he didn't have a care in the world... & he was a sub .500 QB.
I'm glad that he played a restrained & controlled game, but I'd have liked to have seen a play every now & then, & not just his Tebow impression.
If I can use a Game of Thrones analogy.... I expected him to be neutered, I expect Hoyer to be neutered. But I'm hoping for the Unsullied variety, or even the Varys kind, not the Reek version.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
In time all things become clear. David Carr WAS Reek!
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
"The Season is long and filled with terrors!"
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Winter is comming.
OB got highs from Fitz in comp.%, TD%, YPA, his second lowest INT%, and blew away his best TD-to-INT. He managed to max out his big plays while limiting his mistakes to a near minimum.
I'm not sure what more plays you could envision from the guy that wouldn't have inevitably resulted poorly.
He's got more important things to think about. And that's the way it should be.
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
All Fitzpatrick does is pour his heart and soul into the Texans for 51 weeks and he's tossed aside for some Browns guy who doesn't even have hair. Dude broke his leg for us and we force him to the Jets. The Jets, for crying out loud! 
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TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
All hail Cult Leader Bill. Save us Cult Leader Bill. We bow to your greatness.
Am I the only one who got really excited when I saw this? I had this vision of the texans giving contracts to half the free agent QBs and force teams like the jets to trade us if they wanted one. I mean, anyone who has played Fantasy Football long enough has tried it at least once...
On a more serious note, I am not a believer that there are that many surefire franchise QBs. It seems like a lot of people think you just grab any "highly rated" qb in any draft and you are good to go. I think a lot of years there just isn't anyone that has a great shot at being a top notch QB. Most of the time I think you just have to hope to find a deep QB class and grab one that has potential and hope that your coaches can work some magic.
That being said, I have no problem with this move personally. I think that we are not in a position to get a real franchise QB at this time. We won't be able to trade up without giving up too much and there are no obvious ones in free agency. The next best thing in my mind is to get one with potential (Mallett) and get a vet to back him up with the hope that he can help push him to play better or at worst case be an OK stop gap QB until we can get a franchise QB. I can understand BOB for wanting a guy he has worked with previously to be that guy rather than Fitzpatrick.
On a more serious note, I am not a believer that there are that many surefire franchise QBs. It seems like a lot of people think you just grab any "highly rated" qb in any draft and you are good to go. I think a lot of years there just isn't anyone that has a great shot at being a top notch QB. Most of the time I think you just have to hope to find a deep QB class and grab one that has potential and hope that your coaches can work some magic.
That being said, I have no problem with this move personally. I think that we are not in a position to get a real franchise QB at this time. We won't be able to trade up without giving up too much and there are no obvious ones in free agency. The next best thing in my mind is to get one with potential (Mallett) and get a vet to back him up with the hope that he can help push him to play better or at worst case be an OK stop gap QB until we can get a franchise QB. I can understand BOB for wanting a guy he has worked with previously to be that guy rather than Fitzpatrick.
DX-TEX
#TomSavageDontCare
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
We could be in the market for a big time QB for another 10 years. If you don't understand that by now, then you had better start believing in that possibility real real soon. Sometimes it takes teams that long and even longer to get a hold of that long term solution. Finding a QB is extremely difficult.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
Honestly, how many people have to get past NY to realize Texans is a better job.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
Well good thing Cult Leader Bill is a master recruiter. Save us, Master Bill.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
I cleared my ignore list a couple of days too soon.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
I love the fact we now have Ryan Mallett and Brian Hoyer, two Bill O'Brien type of guys, who he actually worked with in New England (as well as in Houston in Mallet's case). I assume now we can part ways with Ryan Fitzpatrick unless the Jets are willing to drop us a seventh-round pick for him. Tom Savage learning as a third-string quarterback is fine. If anybody gets injured we can always bring back Case Keenum or keep him on the practice squad if no other team signs him. I love our quarterbacks as a whole even though the haters will say we still don't have that "elite guy" who can lead the team to a Super Bowl. Unfortunately now we have to focus on adding some talent at wide receiver. DeAndre Hopkins is good. We need more there. I'm sure we'll bring somebody in or draft a wideout in round one or two. I wouldn't wait until the third round.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
You can keep throwing underlying insults out at Bill O'Brien all you want, but he is the leader of this team whether you want him here or not, and he is going to be here for quite a few more years. Bob isn't quick to fire anyone and has full confidence in this guy right now. OB is an ex Patriot HC that does things in a very similar fashion and is likely going to keep bringing in Patriot players here which is what you don't like.
I've told you that you should have plenty of room on the Denver bandwagon now that the coach you like is there. Lord knows I'm sure that several Denver fans have jumped off that bandwagon now that Kubes is there, and will be happy to let you melt down and have tantrums on their ship instead of ours. You seem like you'd be a lot happier over there.
Either way, OB is the face of this organization now and you're going to have to accept it at some point.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
Yo Selective Replier. Here, reply to this one:
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2462287&postcount=1831
or this one:
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2280358&postcount=961
EDIT: I should clarify that I have zero expectation that you'll actually reply to this or those posts. You never do. You're a Selective Replier who's been clowned time and time and time and time again repeatedly without any accountability whatsoever and yet you keep still peddling your nonsensical, bizarre narrative. This is for others to click and read about how disingenuous you are and continue you to be. Basically Barackxecutioner.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
Call me crazy but I think this is an 11-5 team in 2015 even without Andre Johnson. I like what we have defensively if a few guys (Clowney and Nix) come back healthy. Obviously Brian Cushing is a big X-Factor. But I think we have a couple of good quarterbacks who understand what O'Brien wants in Ryan Mallett and Brian Hoyer.
We'll add another stud wide receiver. That's one of those luxury positions in the NFL. Calvin Johnson and Andre Johnson, two of the best wide receivers in our generation, have played on some really miserable teams. An 0-16 team for CJ and a couple of 2-14 teams for AJ. Not to mention 0 playoff wins for CJ and 2 playoff wins for AJ. The point being you can have the greatest wide receiver in the game and still not experience the ultimate team success that all franchises want.
I think we'll be fine going into 2015. We still have the draft to add more young talent. I'm still upbeat and excited about the future. I think we have the best young head coach in the game in Bill O'Brien. 9-7 as a rookie head coach. Some of the all-time legends when it comes to NFL head coaching didn't start off that good. Long-term wise I think we have a winner in Bill O'Brien and I admire his passion for putting together his type of offense with his type of players going into year two.
We'll add another stud wide receiver. That's one of those luxury positions in the NFL. Calvin Johnson and Andre Johnson, two of the best wide receivers in our generation, have played on some really miserable teams. An 0-16 team for CJ and a couple of 2-14 teams for AJ. Not to mention 0 playoff wins for CJ and 2 playoff wins for AJ. The point being you can have the greatest wide receiver in the game and still not experience the ultimate team success that all franchises want.
I think we'll be fine going into 2015. We still have the draft to add more young talent. I'm still upbeat and excited about the future. I think we have the best young head coach in the game in Bill O'Brien. 9-7 as a rookie head coach. Some of the all-time legends when it comes to NFL head coaching didn't start off that good. Long-term wise I think we have a winner in Bill O'Brien and I admire his passion for putting together his type of offense with his type of players going into year two.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
Agreed. I have seen the light myself and I love this Houston Texans team more than ever. Today is a promising start to many successful seasons ahead. We have to keep building on last season's 9-7 team.
Better yet, keep building on that 17-10 hard-fought loss at Indianapolis late in the 2014 season. That was a game we sort of got a preview about life without Andre Johnson, as he was out with a concussion, but unfortunately we were down to an injured Tom Savage playing quarterback at the end. As we continued our all-time winless skid at Indianapolis, 0-13 all time. But that game and close loss gave me a ton of hope for the future.
I actually feel that the Houston Texans will win a Super Bowl or two sometime during O'Brien's tenure. I never felt that way about Dom Capers or Gary Kubiak. All we need now is to be patient and allow the man to put together his type of offense. Defensively, we are closer to having a Super Bowl caliber team. We just need to stay healthy and keep working hard. Special teams has also improved although we could always use a game-changer in the return game.
I was going to add that Tyler Lockett from Kansas State is a guy I'd love to see the Texans draft. #16 in the first round is probably too high for a guy Mel Kiper Jr. has going in the second or third round, but I see a lot of Hines Ward in the guy. Maybe not the good blocking part of his game yet, most wideouts don't block like a beast especially ones that size, but he's a small little dude who makes tough catches all over the field and he has blazing speed to make big plays. We can build something special at the wide receiver position with a DeAndre Hopkins and Tyler Lockett duo for the next several years.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
Just gotta get a QB and we'll be right there. The last thing I want to see is another performance like 2012 against the Colts where the defense did everything repeatedly but the horrendous offense we had led by TJ Yates failed time after time after time. The team may very well have won the Super Bowl that year with even some semblance of health. Health and luck are always the most important things in sports.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
You're right. If we have those two things in 2015 then I expect a wild-card berth if nothing else. 9-7 (again), 10-6 or 11-5 type of record. I feel like we improved our quarterback situation today with Ryan Mallett and Brian Hoyer. We'll improve at wide receiver in the draft and free agency. The Colts will be tough to overtake for the division title but the Texans aren't far away from dethroning them again. Like I said, our last game against them, on the road no less, we fought them tooth and nail and that 17-10 loss I couldn't have been prouder of the way the Texans played. All we need right now is more talent and some of our big guns, two of them being rookies last year, staying healthy on defense: Cushing, Clowney and Nix.
PapaL
Loose Screw
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The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Now they're starting to say that maybe Hoyer will go with the Jets, instead...
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
They are desperate for a veteran quarterback to compete with Geno Smith. Watch them end up with Ryan Fitzpatrick. The big guy John McClain was chirping into my ears a few minutes ago saying that Brian Hoyer is likely to sign a three-year deal with the Texans sometime on Tuesday afternoon (tomorrow). So I guess it's just last-second flirting with the Jets at this point.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
No deals can be made with FAs other than your own until tomorrow. Every 'Deal' is both invalid and unenforcable. There will be fallout unless NE gets an early deal to make it OK.
JCTexan
Hall of Fame
Honestly, I can't imagine a better scenario playing out for the Texans than getting both Mallett/Hoyer. They're two of the better free agent QB's available and both have experience working with O'Brien.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
Ryan Mallett and Brian Hoyer are Bill O'Brien type of quarterbacks who played behind Tom Brady while he coached in New England. I'm much more comfortable having two guys like that on the depth chart as Tom Savage continues to learn and grow as the third-stringer.
I certainly don't want to enter another season with Ryan Fitzpatrick penciled in as the starter. He was serviceable but O'Brien knows he's not the long-term answer as he heads into the final year of his contract. Once the Brian Hoyer contract with the Texans is finalized and becomes official, I think we'll trade Fitzpatrick to the Jets for a seventh-round pick or just release him.
People are too focused on all the negatives and fail to see the long-term plan like I do. There is a lot of good going on with the Houston Texans right now but people are not realizing the blueprint the Texans have put into place. They are caught up on the past and worried about things that don't even matter right now.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
You don't seem to get that two or three little posts don't erase years and hundreds of other posts where your history of cursing and spewing venom cannot be forgotten. Until you understand that, you'll be wasting your time pasting these two little posts in year 8 or 9 when you finally started having tantrums about Kubiak instead of defending Kubiak. You were one of the ones that spread the most vitriol by far in those years. And if you weren't such a fan why were you claiming he was about to win SB's in Denver, and why are you continually bashing OB and everything he does? Sorry, but the ex girlfriend mentality you keep displaying on this is obvious as day. These failed attempts at trying to prove it wasn't that way aren't ever going to work.
None of this changes the fact that OB is here now and he is going to be here for a lot more years with ex NE players and coaches. How are you going to deal with that?
I was actually looking forward to seeing more 358 yards, 6 TDs, & 0 INTs of the Titan's game with Fitz in year two of "the system" but c'est la vie
if I were hoyer I'd probably go with the jets too. easier to beat out geno smith than mallett, and the jets have great receivers in decker and brandon marshall.
I like the way this man thinks.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
The team was an overtime, an onside kick, and three minutes in Pittsburgh away from winning the division last year.
