Brian Cushing --- DO NOT WANT

[TheRealJoker]

Wow...

 

[Ckw]

If we are going OLB, I still say we trade down and grab Clay Matthews.

It's mean going back to rag on people for what they said but since you brought it up, this was all I had to say in the thread. After a 50 tkl, 10 sack season, I'd say my suggestion still wasn't a bad one if we had gotten an extra 3rd or even 4th round pick out of it.

That being said, I love Cushing.

 

[dalemurphy]

my only real view of him was in the senior bowl where he seemed to get to the ball quickly but seemed like a lousy tackler. He just didn't seem to have that football player kill'em mentality that I'd look for. I know there are a ton of those guys in the NFL. I just hope the Texans see past him.

Barrett... Ha!

 

[Texecutioner]

Wow.

I'm not going to rag people too hard.

But you guys better think twice before laying into ME about how I don't have good analytical skills.

The vast majority of people had some pretty negative outlooks on the guy.

Oops.

Ha ha ha! Don't expect that GP. Lol! Most people on boards are way to bull headed to admit when they've been wrong. I will in this instance though with no problem. I love it when I'm wrong about my team when I've had a pessimistic outlook on a draft pick or something like that. The first thing I did when I saw this thread was look for a post of mine where I said that I didn't want Cushing and was against picking him. I didn't in this thread, but I know I did in others.

I've got no problem eating crow on the Cushing pick. Give it to me in a buffet style. Cushing was a beast. He helped the Texans all year long and helped my fantasy team as well. Hats off to Cush and to SMith and Kubes for that pick. I give them both a lot of ****, but they were right on with this one. Can't wait to watch the guy for years to come.

 

[Texecutioner]

I called Taylor Mays way early last year too it seems.

Ha ha! I was on the Taylor Mays band wagon as well. Lol!

I don't think anyone can feel bad for that though as good as he looked last season. A lot of us would have been wrong there to. But sometimes you just can't tell.

 

[alphajoker]

Funny how people in this thread with respected "rep" were so wrong.

 

[GP]

I kinda' feel bad for ragging people so hard about this.

I didn't think Matt Schaub would do anything but get hurt and play 5 or 6 games every season, so look what THAT got me: Pwned.

 

[GP]

It's mean going back to rag on people for what they said but since you brought it up, this was all I had to say in the thread. After a 50 tkl, 10 sack season, I'd say my suggestion still wasn't a bad one if we had gotten an extra 3rd or even 4th round pick out of it.

That being said, I love Cushing.

You didn't miss, though.

Clay Matthews is proving to have been a good pick, too.

He finds ways to get to the ball, and he causes lots of fumbles. I don't watch much Packers football, but the times I turn to the games...the guy is making plays.

He's a smaller, maybe faster, version of Cushing. It would be awesome to have had BOTH those guys on our team.

 

[281]

hahahaha... lovin this thread!!!

 

[beerlover]

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=5219

4. Brian Cushing, USC
A big, versatile athlete who can play a number of positions at the next level. He possesses decent fluidity in space but does a great job using his hands and body control to slip blocks on the outside. Is very instinctive and finds the ball quickly. Showcases good power at the point of attack and delivers a jarring punch on contact. Lacks some explosion out of his breaks in coverage and will struggle in man-to-man at the next level. Had some trouble staying healthy at USC, and his durability might be an issue. Isn't the gifted pass rusher his press clippings would lead you to believe.

if you believe what you read based off this information he hardly equates to even a 1st rd. grade being graded out as only the 4th best OLB. guess Lomardi, a 23-year veteran of NFL personnel departments doesn't know what he's talking about?

For me I'm happy to be wrong if it means the Texans nailed a draft pick. I still feel they need to address LB earlier than most think because if injurys do play a bigger role you don't want to take a huge drop, play people out of position & lose what was gained in the first place

 

[b0ng]

I kinda' feel bad for ragging people so hard about this.

I didn't think Matt Schaub would do anything but get hurt and play 5 or 6 games every season, so look what THAT got me: Pwned.

But you didn't even post in this thread until about 13 hours ago. Isn't that like a fan of another team coming in and running smack even though they never posted before a big win?

 

[TEXANS84]

Wow....this thread is all about eating crow.

Some funny stuff when you go back and read all the posts.

 

[Goatcheese]

But you didn't even post in this thread until about 13 hours ago. Isn't that like a fan of another team coming in and running smack even though they never posted before a big win?

"It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."


"Citizenship in a Republic,"
Speech at the Sorbonne, Paris, April 23, 1910

I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'.

 

[Silver Oak]

I'd only be excited about drafting Cushing if we got him in the 3rd round. He's too much of a workout boy that never really impressed me all that much on the field. He'd be a good 'effort guy' that has the right attitude for a linebacker but he isn't a early to mid first round prospect imo.

swing....and a miss!

sorry Vinny.

 

[GP]

But you didn't even post in this thread until about 13 hours ago. Isn't that like a fan of another team coming in and running smack even though they never posted before a big win?

I posted on other pre-draft threads and/or topics, but I never got into the debate about Cushing because I didn't watch any USC games. And still don't.

So rather than get on the thread and act like I knew something about Brian Cushing, I probably scanned the posts and moved along.

Is that OK? Are you going to make fun of me when I die? Because I couldn't handle that, ya' know. j/k

Anywho, it's fun to see some people who rag me and say I have zero brains about football. And then see them banish Brian Cushing to something like round 3 or something. It's chicken soup for the soul.

 

[b0ng]

I posted on other pre-draft threads and/or topics, but I never got into the debate about Cushing because I didn't watch any USC games. And still don't.

So rather than get on the thread and act like I knew something about Brian Cushing, I probably scanned the posts and moved along.

Is that OK? Are you going to make fun of me when I die? Because I couldn't handle that, ya' know. j/k

Anywho, it's fun to see some people who rag me and say I have zero brains about football. And then see them banish Brian Cushing to something like round 3 or something. It's chicken soup for the soul.

Hey I'm only bringing it up because I see a CHINK IN THE ARMOR MWAHAHAA. Besides, if you died, I would seriously only make quality jokes at your expense, promise

 

[Texecutioner]

if you died, I would seriously only make quality jokes at your expense, promise

You should be really proud then.

 

[b0ng]

You should be really proud then.

 

[YoungTexanFan]

Ha ha! I was on the Taylor Mays band wagon as well. Lol!

I don't think anyone can feel bad for that though as good as he looked last season. A lot of us would have been wrong there to. But sometimes you just can't tell.

No, I was saying I wasn't on the Mays bandwagon.

Also, I did not think Matthews would have half the season he had as a rookie. I was fairly anti-Matthews. Good year.

 

[Goatcheese]

No, I was saying I wasn't on the Mays bandwagon.

Also, I did not think Matthews would have half the season he had as a rookie. I was fairly anti-Matthews. Good year.

I didn't want Mathews in a 4-3, but I knew he would be a good player in a 3-4. He wouldn't have been any better against the run than he showed in GB, and wouldn't have gotten 1/3 as many rush opportunities in our scheme.

 

[bah007]

I'm not a big fan of going back through these threads and ridiculing other posters for their opinions. If y'all want to do that then that's fine though. Y'all won't find any ammo on me though. It's just a good thing I've never been wrong before.

 

[Vinny]

Funny how people in this thread with respected "rep" were so wrong.

it happens. I've never met a fan or media guy who gave lots of opinion and was always right.

 

[Texecutioner]

I didn't want Mathews in a 4-3, but I knew he would be a good player in a 3-4. He wouldn't have been any better against the run than he showed in GB, and wouldn't have gotten 1/3 as many rush opportunities in our scheme.

I think that's a good point. He may not have been near as good in a 4-3. In a 3-4 blitzing LB's tend to look a lot better if they have speed off of the edge. I didn't want Mathews or Cushing really, so I was wrong on both. Lol! I wanted Meleauga more than any of them. He's a beast as well, but I think we got the best guy in Cushing. If Cushing was in a 3-4, I think Cushing could have easily gotten 10 sacks possibly. That's what is so great about Cushing. He can be in any kind of system and thrive.

 

[Thorn]

Funny how people in this thread with respected "rep" were so wrong.

"Rep" doesn't give you the ability to predict the future. Every year BBS posters, sports writers, TV analysts all make their predictions and most are wrong. The off season is full of those trying to predict the future, so it's highly unlikely anyone will stop even if they keep getting it wrong.

It's the only thing we have to do anyway, besides watching reruns on NFLN. LOL

 

[Vinny]

I actually warmed up to the pick and wasn't critical of it at all once this thing went down. Anyone can look up posts right after the draft but its a waste of time. I wanted Rey but I'm glad Cushing was as advertised.

 

[Texecutioner]

I actually warmed up to the pick and wasn't critical of it at all once this thing went down. Anyone can look up posts right after the draft but its a waste of time. I wanted Rey but I'm glad Cushing was as advertised.

I was the same way. Once we got closer to the draft I knew we were taking Cushing if he was available and if he wasn't, I knew we'd be after Mathews. I was fine with it at that point even though that wasn't my first choice. But it doesn't matter now. We did what we did and I'm happy any way.

 

[Ole Miss Texan]

Going back, there's quite a few players I still would want with our 1st rounder but I think we're all in agreement none would have made the impact of Brian Cushing. The Texans really hit a homerun with this one.

My two worries were Cushing's injury history and the possibility of him only being a 2 down player. I got real worried when he missed training camp because of injury and wondered if that was going to be a sign. He did get injured quite a bit throughout the year but he is one tough SOB and never missed time because of it. He just has to say on the field going forward too. The other worry I had was using a mid 1st round pick on a linebacker that would be coming off the field in passing situations. This is the part I really underestimated him... the guy made more plays against the pass than our secondary! I love Cushing's attitude, work ethic and tenacity.

 

[HOU-TEX]

I actually warmed up to the pick and wasn't critical of it at all once this thing went down. Anyone can look up posts right after the draft but its a waste of time. I wanted Rey but I'm glad Cushing was as advertised.

It was unfortunate that Rey was injured. I think the dude's going to be pretty darn good in the league. Nice value for a 2nd rounder.

 

[b0ng]

It was unfortunate that Rey was injured. I think the dude's going to be pretty darn good in the league. Nice value for a 2nd rounder.

Would you say it's a Demeco-esque value?

 

[BigBull17]

I called Taylor Mays way early last year too it seems.

I got killed cause I said Mayes was VERY over-rated. Then again, I also said last years draft was only ok because we "wasted" our first round pick on Cushing.

 

[HOU-TEX]

Would you say it's a Demeco-esque value?

Not quite. He might've been if he had remained heathy. Plus, D-Ryans beasted his rookie year.

 

[b0ng]

I got killed cause I said Mayes was VERY over-rated. Then again, I also said last years draft was only ok because we "wasted" our first round pick on Cushing.

Hey I'm with you on the overrated part for Mays. We'll be idiots together if turns out to be Polomalu 2.0

 

[BigBull17]

Hey I'm with you on the overrated part for Mays. We'll be idiots together if turns out to be Polomalu 2.0

Word. I thought he was over-rated last year when people were blowing him in the streets of California cause he was the next great saftey. He lost alot of money going back to school, me thinks. He is a low instinct Strong Saftey. I think he'll be a decent player as long as a team realizes he isn't a coverage guy or a ball hawk.

 

[mussop]

Hey I'm with you on the overrated part for Mays. We'll be idiots together if turns out to be Polomalu 2.0

Make it a threesome. I think he is the 5th best S in the draft.
Berry
Thomas
Chad Jones (everything Mays is supposed to be minus the super speed)
Nate Allen
Mays

I dont know anyone that ever even considered Cushing to be a good as he has. I am happy I was wrong bout him in particular but both of my top 2 choices Oher and Mathews for round one turned out pretty well.

 

[dalemurphy]

Make it a threesome. I think he is the 5th best S in the draft.
Berry
Thomas
Chad Jones (everything Mays is supposed to be minus the super speed)
Nate Allen
Mays

I dont know anyone that ever even considered Cushing to be a good as he has. I am happy I was wrong bout him in particular but both of my top 2 choices Oher and Mathews for round one turned out pretty well.

Mussop,

You wanted Oher? That's interesting. What was your plan for the rest of the oline? Did you want Oher for RT and then slide in Winston, or did you want Oher at LT with Brown moving to RT and Winston inside... or, just sliding Brown to guard?

 

[mussop]

Mussop,

You wanted Oher? That's interesting. What was your plan for the rest of the oline? Did you want Oher for RT and then slide in Winston, or did you want Oher at LT with Brown moving to RT and Winston inside... or, just sliding Brown to guard?

I didnt actually target Oher, he was the highest rated player on my board when it became our pick. Mathews was next and was my targeted player but ws already gone.

As far as my plan, let the chips fall where they may. I want the five best most talented OL on the field. If I were to guess Oher would of started at RG for us. In the second round I had Unger slated as our pick. How good would our offense of looked with a starting line of Brown, ????, Unger, Oher, Winston this year?

 

[TexansFanatic]

LOL I had to stop reading halfway through. Too bad Cush just wasn't good enough for a mid first round pick.

Wow. Thanks for reviving this thread. LOL!

I couldn't have been more wrong about the guy and I couldn't be happier about it.

If all our players could be as intense as Cushing there would be no stopping this team.

 

[threetoedpete]

Haven't heard from TTP in a while.

Hope he's OK.

If anybody knows how to get in touch with him by e-mail or whatever let me know.

He was great to talk draft stuff with.

BTW I got both Cushing and Barwin right as our 1st two picks last year.

Thanks for the rep Senor Stan

Still around. I'm not strutting yet. He played hurt all year. But you got to admit getting your toe in the all pro second team is pretty impressive. What I'm more impressed with is the two young corners we picked up, Grover Quinn & Brice McCain.

and if you read all of my posts I was pretty much a Clay Mathews fan at the end. Anyone who put speed on the edges of the defense I was on board.

 

[steelbtexan]

Glad to see you back.

Draft season is just starting to heat up.

McCain as a 6th rd pick impressed me. I look for him to be much improved next season. Molden is my sleeper for most improved Texan next year.

What did you think of the Texans seaon last year?

The job the coacing staf did?

 

[threetoedpete]

Glad to see you back.

Draft season is just starting to heat up.

McCain as a 6th rd pick impressed me. I look for him to be much improved next season. Molden is my sleeper for most improved Texan next year.

What did you think of the Texans seaon last year?

The job the coaching staf did?

I think we desperately need a guard with girth next to Myers. What I was excited about last April with the two DBs they gave us a couple of players who could run with anyone's Gunners in the league on the punt return team. Which meant that Jacoby Jones would always have a half step and a chance to break one. However, they turned into much more than just special teams guys/back ups...they both can play. Our scouts and staff are butta. They are currnetly on a drafting roll.

 

[GP]

Still around. I'm not strutting yet. He played hurt all year. But you got to admit getting your toe in the all pro second team is pretty impressive. What I'm more impressed with is the two young corners we picked up, Grover Quinn & Brice McCain.

and if you read all of my posts I was pretty much a Clay Mathews fan at the end. Anyone who put speed on the edges of the defense I was on board.

Hey!

Just now came back to this thread, and it's good to see you back.

Clay Mathews was an iffy prospect to me, just because I wondered if he was getting the star treatment due to his family heritage.

I caught only a few plays of Packers games this year, and each time I watched those plays...he was making big plays and huge effort each time. I think he's the real deal. I think their LB squad is going to be off-the-charts in about 2 or 3 years.

 

[beerlover]

this years --- DO NOT WANT (well really like him alot, would be a 2nd rd. steal) http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1125985 is Daryl Washington, TCU. Another LB in 1st (19/20)? could equal Cushing's impact? could be the complete weakside LB in Texans 4-3, a tackling machine, elite coverage & sideline to sideline speed. Would give the Texans, unquestioned the best group of LB's in the NFL, but still would like to see OL/CB/RB addressed first, that doesn't make me wrong, it makes me real apprehensive

 

[TexansFanatic]

Now seems like an appropriate time to revive this thread....

 

[ChampionTexan]

Now seems like an appropriate time to revive this thread....

Wow. Thanks for reviving this thread. LOL!

I couldn't have been more wrong about the guy and I couldn't be happier about it.

If all our players could be as intense as Cushing there would be no stopping this team.

You sure?

 

[eriadoc]

From NFLdraftCountdown.com :

...Manufactured athlete who should test well but isn't that impressive on film and often looks like a defensive end in a linebacker's body...

I've been interested in Cushing for a while. The steroid allegations don't really concern me too much. I think they've been blown out of proportion and if he used steroids the last few years while at USC, I feel strongly he would have been busted.

Cush is a beast but I don't like all the 'roaids rumors

I'd only be excited about drafting Cushing if we got him in the 3rd round. He's too much of a workout boy that never really impressed me all that much on the field. He'd be a good 'effort guy' that has the right attitude for a linebacker but he isn't a early to mid first round prospect imo.

Just a few of my favorite posts from Page 1 of the thread.

 

[Ryan]

I still want Cushing. He's still going to be a badass, no doubt in my mind.

 

[treduke]

 

[GuerillaBlack]

Now seems like an appropriate time to revive this thread....

Overreaction...

 

[beerlover]

this years --- DO NOT WANT (well really like him alot, would be a 2nd rd. steal) http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1125985 is Daryl Washington, TCU. Another LB in 1st (19/20)? could equal Cushing's impact? could be the complete weakside LB in Texans 4-3, a tackling machine, elite coverage & sideline to sideline speed. Would give the Texans, unquestioned the best group of LB's in the NFL, but still would like to see OL/CB/RB addressed first, that doesn't make me wrong, it makes me real apprehensive

well the Texans went CB #1 & RB #2. biggest free agent signing was OL (Wade).

funny thing, I'm not one to call into 610 but did so prior to last season in the John McClain hour to ask him if he saw the similarties between Cushing & Bill Romanowskie. my point was going to be focused on how dedicated to their craft both where/are, pushing envelopes & risks to become great football players (steroids never the aim). McClain just went off & jumped all over the steriod accusations pre-draft as primary comparision, which seems ironic today.

personally after getting to know Brian, I truely believe they got him on some kind of technicality. Doubt Brian ever intended to cheat or take shortcuts, not to mention mislead anyone. His innocence will be vindicated, if need be in a court of law. there is something inherently wrong with punishing someone for trying their best to improve get a similar suspension as a repeat sexual preditor, allegedly.

Texans fans to stand behind Brian in his time of need

 

[steelbtexan]

well the Texans went CB #1 & RB #2. biggest free agent signing was OL (Wade).

funny thing, I'm not one to call into 610 but did so prior to last season in the John McClain hour to ask him if he saw the similarties between Cushing & Bill Romanowskie. my point was going to be focused on how dedicated to their craft both where/are, pushing envelopes & risks to become great football players (steroids never the aim). McClain just went off & jumped all over the steriod accusations pre-draft as primary comparision, which seems ironic today.

personally after getting to know Brian, I truely believe they got him on some kind of technicality. Doubt Brian ever intended to cheat or take shortcuts, not to mention mislead anyone. His innocence will be vindicated, if need be in a court of law. there is something inherently wrong with punishing someone for trying their best to improve get a similar suspension as a repeat sexual preditor, allegedly.

Texans fans to stand behind Brian in his time of need

Agreed

I will take 11 guys on my defense with Cushings intensity.

I love the way he plays. He's a great player and a Houston Texan. I stand behind him. Steroids or not you have to admire his work ethic and the way he eats and sleeps football.

There are a few on the Texans defense that could learn from Cushings work ethic. Can you here me AO/MW.