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Both Carr and Young

Look what having two QBs with a lot of money did for San Diego. Had they not totally screwed it up it would have been a brilliant move.
 
Reaction Red said:
Look what having two QBs with a lot of money did for San Diego. Had they not totally screwed it up it would have been a brilliant move.
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San Diego never intended to have two QB's making lots of money. When the Chargers drafted Rivers, Brees was on the tail end of a rookie 2nd rounder contract, i.e. he was dirt cheap for a starting QB.
 
If you take Bush then all of his playing time does not come at the expense of DD. You get something for the money you pay both. If you take Young (or Leinhart), however, then it's an either/or between him and Carr.
 
thunderkyss said:
I wonder how much Indy has invested in a QB.....



We've already waited four years on Carr, Kubes expects two more.... I think the fans will be willing to wait one extra year for their pick
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Indy? Come on now ... so Young is Peyton Manning? Manning sure as hell didn't get his current fatty contract before he played a down in the NFL.

Ask San Francisco how that fat rookie QB contract is working out for them ... Ooo, did I just compare Alex Smith to Vince Young? ... Well, it's about as baseless a comparison as VY to Manning.

As for the fans, I would be pissed if we drafted Young. Not because I don't like the guy, not even because I would be mad if he took DC's starting job, but because it's an obnoxiously irresponsible use of draft real estate/cap money. Kubiak is not going to stake his career on waiting for Young to develop and passing on the players we could draft in his stead: trust me on that one.

thunderkyss said:
But we know Gaffney didn't fit, Milford doesn't belong on our starting line, McKinney can't play Center........ the poor offense only affects our ability to assess the play of the QB??

I think the chronicle did.... I'm pretty sure it was Vince.
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Gaffney isn't here because we weren't willing to match what the Eagles offer him. Why do people like to pretend that basic ecomonomics never factor into the game? Next you'll be telling me Victor Riley wasn't given a fair chance. There is a difference between "not sure" and "certain," and some players can't help but hand you the obvious assessment in their play.
 
run-david-run said:
Harrington? Really? Someone should probably tell the Lions, because they don't seem to think so! I really dont know what else to say...wow!:brickwall
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What?? Mike Martz wanted to give him the same shot we're giving Carr..... I don't understand your speechlessness.


run-david-run said:
ok, that makes some more sense. However, thier FB does have something like 4 TD receptions, so Kubes knows how to make use of the fullback. Also, we will not be restricted to everything Denver did, or so I hope. Obviously, we must try to use our players to their full potential, with Reggie Bush obviously we should try to create miss matches...lets hope Kubes agrees.
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el toro said:
Every time Bush is in the backfield he is a threat to go in motion and line up in the slot. With Davis there in the backfield opposing defenses will have to respect the run when that happens. AJ wide left, maybe Walter wide right. Putzier also in the mix. Forget about what could be 4 years from now. Win now.
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We had the offensive weapons to win in 2006.... we just had problems getting the ball to the recievers.
It would make more sense to me, to put Reggie behind our fullback, every now and then, motion Reggie to the slot, and have the fullback drop back a couple of steps, than to have DD and Reggie in the backfield at the same time. I'm just saying a 2 back pro-set, is non-existant in the NFL right now.


jerek said:
Indy? Come on now ... so Young is Peyton Manning? Manning sure as hell didn't get his current fatty contract before he played a down in the NFL.
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No...no.. no.. I wouldn't compare Carr to Peyton Manning...... I mean I wouldn't compare Vince to Peyton Manning.... I'd compare Vince to arguably the best NFC quarterback at the moment.

My reference to Peyton, was in reference to "having too much money tied up in QB...... even though ours would be spread over 4 QBs, if we draft Vince, it would still come in under what Indy has in Peyton.
jerek said:
Gaffney isn't here because we weren't willing to match what the Eagles offer him. Why do people like to pretend that basic ecomonomics never factor into the game? Next you'll be telling me Victor Riley wasn't given a fair chance. There is a difference between "not sure" and "certain," and some players can't help but hand you the obvious assessment in their play.
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$900,000 for one year........ we took a $800,000 cap hit for him last year. We couldn't cover an extra grand for a guy who should have changed his name to "First Down...... Houston Texans"......... even though his stats are comparable to a guy we offered $18 million too... hmmmm?? Then we have 'ole wouldn't make the practice squad on any other team milford Brown who will be starting for an excellent talent evaluator next year....

But we can't say, "David Carr played poorly for a 4 year starter........ I can't believe they gave him $8,000,000 + $5,250,000=$13,250,000 to play quarterback for us." I'm sorry, but David did way too many things that I didn't expect to ever see a 4 year starter do, to believe that he has the poise to lead a team the big game.

For reference, Drew Bledsoe........ a guy who did take his team to the superbowl...... only gets $2million for 2006.
 
thunderkyss said:
No...no.. no.. I wouldn't compare Carr to Peyton Manning...... I mean I wouldn't compare Vince to Peyton Manning.... I'd compare Vince to arguably the best NFC quarterback at the moment.
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Matt Hasselbeck? Why would you compare Vince to Matt Hasselbeck? If anything, Carr should be compared to Matt Hasselbeck.
 
tulexan said:
Matt Hasselbeck? Why would you compare Vince to Matt Hasselbeck? If anything, Carr should be compared to Matt Hasselbeck.
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Carr has too much hair.
 
Turp007 said:
Vince Young looked really good on the film that I watched. He looked very toned and muscular, unlike Jay Cutler who kind of looks like Elvis during his fatty days, and running a 40 on the fly without prep in 4.5 is awesome. His footwork looked great dropping back and when instructed he shower he could lay the hammer down on the more difficult NFL throws proving that his Arm is NFL material. Houston will look trade down to the #4 or #5 and take Vince in efforts to bring in more first day picks. Vince Young fits our offensive scheme perfectly, and the fear of letting the best athlete in the past 20 years slip by is going to be to hard for Bob, Charley, or Coach K.
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OK, this post is just nonsense. Vince ran a 4.58 supposedly without preparation, but at the same time he ran on astroturf so that at least negates his "not training" for the 40, but I have to believe at some point in his training over the last couple months he was running some sprints in there. His footwork was not impressive and as every scout that has been interviewed said, he did not throw all the "NFL" routes and only threw the certain ones that exhibited his football strengths. The general consensus on him was he had a pretty solid workout but was not anything special and did not really help or hurt his draft stock. Vince does not perfectly fit our scheme, whoever takes Vince is going to have to tailor a system to fit him like the Falcons are doing with Michael Vick, and the Texans are not looking to trade down and draft Vince. Vince is not the best athlete in this draft much less the last 20 years.
 
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