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Booing Carr

SassyTexan said:
I find it a little shocking too, but only because I haven't seen this by Houston fans before ...
it happens all the time elsewhere.
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I haven't read the whole thread yet but I remember Dan Pastorini calling the Houston fans fickle when the same thing happened to him but in a bigger way early in his career. Sports fans in general are not a patient group. This isn't a new thing for Houston, just more of a snapshot at fan reaction in general I think as a whole. Fans want to win, and win now....and they are reactionary and vocal. Always have been like that I think.
 
Ah, kudos to starting this thread as this was one thing (well, among many) that stood out in this game.

Interesting quote from McKinney that he knows some guys were getting beat - he must've had plenty of time to watch his fellow linemen get beat after his rusher already passed him by.

I'm not sure if it's a different style, but interesting that the one play Banks was in he did a 3 step drop then stepped up into the pocket. Carr's style this game seemed to be more a 5 step drop then head further back and to the side. Banks didn't get a rush up the middle, where Carr seemed to always get the inside rush. :hmmm:

As for those that booed Carr coming back in.. y'all suck. Plain and simple. With little protection from the line, being sacked numerous times in your 3 nfl years, your team (coaches or players) unable to figure a cover 2, and about 1500 + pounds just waiting to come in and introduce you to the turf each play... I think you'd have some happy feet as well. As others noted above - you wanna boo.. aim it towards the O-line.

What to get in the offseason? A center, some TE's and a friggin pass rush on defense. Eveything else seems to be a good foundation.

Also, I'd like the TEXANS to be the underdogs in every game next season and EARN that "respect" they are searching for.. seems like they need to gain that back from the fans as well. No more 10 point favorites, thank you.
 
IMO, I think were booing Carr for some decisions he was making, but I also think the fans were getting frustrated. I mean this is Cleveland. We should have wiped the turf with these guys. I think everyone was thinking this game was a walk in the park for the Texans, then they played. I know I was very frustrated at the Texans passing game. DD should've had 200 yards rushing. We should have run the ball more.
 
I was in sec 140 row x I also was shocked to hear the boos coming from our crowd.The Q.B and Running back are going to be as good as the O-Line protects them.Obviously the O-line took a day off.......bad time to take a day off!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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I don't care if the fans paid for their tickets or not. If you know the guys have given up, and are just laying down, then they deserve to be booed. But paying for tickets doesn't give anyone a RIGHT to boo somebody who's giving it what they've got.

I felt like there was a ton of 'leakage' of the o-line. I'm not excited about the play calling. I think they put too much emphasis on running DD, passing to DD. I think the defense seemed to wait until they were in the red zone before they got any fire in their bellies. The special teams blocking was not real good. (I'm used to watching the Chiefs, who know how to block for special teams). It was an ugly game to watch.

My guess is, if you'd replaced the worst two linemen with guys a lot better, they would have been cheering Carr off the field. And we would have won.

To be honest, I think most people who boo are too stupid to understand the game. The IQ of 'fans' who boo shows up in the last too letters, 00.

Yeah, I'm ticked... :hairpull: :sbad:
 
I don't think that's right. Carr needs time to throw the ball or make decisions. If anything the crowd should boo the O-line, which collapses too often for him to do anything. That might be the reason we stall out on points and are hard pressed for points every game. Look how long it took us to get 21 against the Jaggyuars last week, I mean damn... we had 14 for like 3 quarters. The D did well with a turnover pretty much every game but run-sopping is real soft and needs to tighen up.
 
I was proud of the fans for booing :P. The Texans deserved to be booed. They know they have great fans, and they need to realize that they REALLY let down the fans that have been supporting them so vehemently for the last 3 years.

I hope they were really freakin ashamed.
 
This exact thing happened with the browns and couch. Just be happy the media isn't covering it like they did the Couch thing. I was a bit disapointed to hear that today, and I got a smile on my face when the boos turned to cheers when David had that big run.

This man played his heart out for you and it's pretty sick that he got booed (just like it was with timmy) I know you guys weren't the ones booing, but I just hated to hear that. I have so much respect for Dave, I just wish some of your fans did too.
 
I didn't agree with booing Carr after the sack induced injury (and his subsequent return). I do wish he'd make even a token atempt to look downfield while scrambling though. On more than one occasion, Carr took off for the sideline, never even turned his head upfield, and never once looked to see if a receiver had come open. This is where a big difference lies between Carr and the elite class of Favre, Culpepper, McNabb, Manning, (and even Roethlisburger) etc. - What do you do when it all starts breaking down....give up, or try to create?
I had little issue with booing the offense & coaching IN GENERAL today though...they both stunk! Let's not kid ourselves here, this was the 9-consecutive-loss Browns we're talking about.

I had the misfortune of expecting a 10+ point win today (and even MORE unfortunately predicting such to a.j. and gr8 before today's game). I still believe that's what should have happened.
 
A4toZ said:
I'm not sure if it's a different style, but interesting that the one play Banks was in he did a 3 step drop then stepped up into the pocket. Carr's style this game seemed to be more a 5 step drop then head further back and to the side. Banks didn't get a rush up the middle, where Carr seemed to always get the inside rush. :hmmm:

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Banks dumped it off to Davis for 5 yards. DD turned it into a 17 yard gain.
Dumping off to Davis is one of the biggest complaints on this board.
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I think were booing Carr for some decisions he was making, but I also think the fans were getting frustrated.
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The boos were unmistakeably and vehemently directed at Carr (the player) as he walked back on the field to try and salvage what he could from the disaster. The boos weren't directed at a failed play or a play call. They were directed at him. He's part of a bigger issue with the offense but he will naturally catch all the flak because he is the QB and a signature player of the franchise. People can boo all they want, but "great" fans don't kick their own when they're down in my opinion. But at least it shows they care, I guess.
 
All I have to say after watching the tape of the game, the oline protected Carr on the first scoring drive and lo and behold he completed passes after that they really didn't give him time to throw. It's hard to complete passes when you don't have time to throw. Anyone who thinks this is on David Carr is just wrong and ignorant. Booing Carr is pathetic, the oline should be bood!!!!!!!! David has my respect the way he handled the situation. Pastorini and Moon have been bood in this town only to have the same people cheer for them later in their careers. Carr will be a great QB, just wait and see! Next year if we improve th line he will show you!
 
If we had a more energized coach, he would have lined all of the o-line players up in the locker room at the half and told them all as it stands righ now you are all fired as of tonight, have a great second half. :thud:
 
Texan Gal 312 said:
....Banks dumped it off to Davis for 5 yards. DD turned it into a 17 yard gain.
Dumping off to Davis is one of the biggest complaints on this board.
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Yeah, I'm not so much saying who was passed to - I'm more talking about the 3 step drop and step up vs. the 5 step drop and head to the side. Though, it's hard to step up when your have a turnstyle and revolving door in front of you.

MichaelMC - interesting you brought that up... reminds me of what was seen on the sideline... I didn't see any kind of discussion among the offensive players till just before the last series when they huddled up on the sideline with the coach talking to them. Other than that, Carr was sitting on the table, some of the O-line was on one bench, McKinney siting by the kickers, recievers sitting on another bench... Is that something typical? (General question not, just for Mike.)
 
I was at the game. Carr had no business being boo’d. The line was horrible. I usually dislike the play calling but how can you bash that. When you can’t even take a 1 ½ step drop then the line is the only unit deserving of the boos.
 
Yes, the offensive line stinks, but Carr has no pocket presence and could have avoided a lot of the sacks yesterday. I saw some highlights of the game from a sky-cam angle behind the line of scrimmage. On all 4 he could have stepped up in the pocket but chose to scramble right.

The guy gets rattled too easily for some reason. He is just not ready to be a great QB, plain and simple.
 
the "trust" factor shows between Carr and the OL.. Carr has none (and rightfully so) with his OL..so he runs instead of stepping up around "his" guys
 
My take: the fans who stayed probably had been drinking, very disappointed and the only way to show that is to boo whomever. The QB is always the main focus and thus David was the target. Houston worships this young man and I don't see any long-term damage done here. Next season, say we win 9 and get a wild card, no one will even remember this flop of a game. Let' stay focused: Go Texans! Our team! No. 1 now and forever :monkey:

David gives it his all - but gets sacked SIX times. OL - heal thyself!
 
You know, I've been a fan of the Oilers/Texans for all the heartbreaking years, and as manny 4-12 and 3-13 seasons I have never booed my team. Houston fans are really bad loosers, and you would think that we should know how to loose gracefully. The fans in Houston seem to do what the media does. When the team does something good, it's always the Texans this the Texans that, but let them loose and it's Carr or the O-line, or the special teams, or the water boy spiked the gatorade cause he is from Jacksonville. No thats the wrong answer. It was a team game, so it's a team loss. The only bright spot was DD. I have this saying I made up. It goes like this: If your riding in a horse and carriage and the wheel breaks are you gonna shoot the horse? Well to many Houston fans are ready to shoot the horse, just ask Warren Moon he was booed for several years, and given death threats, but let him hit his wife and all of a sudden Houston embraces him. Now I loved Moon, but isn't that a little backwards? Just ranting at rants I guess!

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the wonger need food said:
Carr has no pocket presence and could have avoided a lot of the sacks yesterday. I saw some highlights of the game from a sky-cam angle behind the line of scrimmage. On all 4 he could have stepped up in the pocket but chose to scramble right.
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Ok lets think...........ok do you remember the play that he got hurt on.....yea the one he stepped up in the pocket and got drilled. seems running is the best thing. now I have noticed since the chicago game that he always moves right? strange?
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NeViKaN said:
Ok lets think...........ok do you remember the play that he got hurt on.....yea the one he stepped up in the pocket and got drilled. seems running is the best thing. now I have noticed since the chicago game that he always moves right? strange?
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The last sack was the exception.
 
the wonger need food said:
I don't doubt his effort, but most of the sacks were his fault. He played very poorly yesterday.
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Yes. David had a bad day. Thank goodness he has had marvelous days as well. Again, this is a blip on the big radar screen. We are disappointed, but next year, and we will play the fourth year in the NFL, good things are going to happen. 4 wins 5 wins 7 wins ... 9 or 10 next year? I'm an eternal optimist, I think. :hmmm:
 
the wonger need food said:
Yes, the offensive line stinks, but Carr has no pocket presence and could have avoided a lot of the sacks yesterday. I saw some highlights of the game from a sky-cam angle behind the line of scrimmage. On all 4 he could have stepped up in the pocket but chose to scramble right.

The guy gets rattled too easily for some reason. He is just not ready to be a great QB, plain and simple.
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So, you seem to have a boner for Carr, but just exactly how would you solve the problems of the team?
 
Pretty good thread.

For the most part, Houston fans are regarded as being classy and who are known for their football knowledge. IMO, those boos showed the complete opposite. Sure the fans are frustrated and caught up in the heat of the moment, and they've been drinking, but any knowledgeable fan understands it's the O-line that needs to get the boos.
 
I was disappointed with the booing also! NFL fans in general are very brutal! Our expectations were very high yesterday, and Capers laid a bomb on us from the very beginning. Midfield, 4-1, against a crappy Brown's team, and he punts. I could just feel the mood change! Everyone was so upbeat, excited, optimistic, and then BAM he throws another one of his conservative calls at us. I could just sense the anger and frustration from so many of the fans after that call. I believe everyone was just hoping our coaching staff would let the entire team play for the fans, after all, it was fan appreciation day. I don't know what they were trying to prove, the coaches, but, all they did was tick everyone off just a little more. We had nothing to lose by allowing David an opportunity to open up his game, throw some long balls, try some new stuff, anything to make the game exciting. All we got was another crappy called game! TWO completed passes to a pro-bowler! That stinks!! If you want to BOOOOOOO anyone, boo the coaches, not David Carr. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve criticism, when criticism is due, but, he didn't deserve it yesterday. JMO!
 
Without reading all this- I think it's your right to boo. But why boo Carr? Not like it was his fault?!?!?!

If you're gonna' boo, boo the play calling, pass protection, etc, etc.

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the wonger need food said:
The last sack was the exception.
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Not exactly. He got flushed from the inside by crossing stunts or and outside to inside move by the right end. I guess that is why I agreed that he should have moved to the left. But either way the presure came from the inside much of the time.
 
The only people who should be booed on this ball club is the coaches....................... They are bad and that's all there is to it. This ball club is going nowhere until they leave. Qb gets sacked more than any other in the league again this season............................. What do you expect?
 
texansgal8 said:
i'd say get a back up like K Warner who can be very effective from getting out of the pocket and avoiding sacks...
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Kurt Warner effective at avoiding sacks. :shocked
 
wags said:
Kurt Warner effective at avoiding sacks. :shocked
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Well maybe i haven't watched all of his games, only thought the ones i seen he played well...He was just an example, i think we need a backup QB who might be good at avoiding sacks if they are not going to improve the o-line...
 
It definitely wasn't all Carr's fault. Moses' fumble was costly. Our recievers definitely had an off day with a couple of drops. And you all know the Oline situation.

I am definitely getting worried about Carr though. One of the criticisms Carr has always got was that his pocket presence wasn't good enough. Well, you can't improve your pocket presence when its collapsing around you every play. I just really hope he doesn't shell up and start regressing. He's not going to improve if he starts looking at the pass rush and getting scared every play. For Carr's sake, we really need to get him some protection or else he's going to start slipping. There are just too many times when he's looking to run right when the pocket starts falling. He needs to step up, stick it in there, and complete a pass. He really needs to start making quicker decisions and start getting rid of the ball faster.

One of the things that I was worried about was how he wasn't able to complete a lot of his play-action plays. Since that is pretty much the only time he gets really good protection, he should be able to complete a pass, but he just runs out of bounce instead. He's got to find someone open on the play-action.

In the end, Carr needs to get some protection because his confidence is really starting to sink.
 
edo783 said:
So, you seem to have a boner for Carr, but just exactly how would you solve the problems of the team?
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I don't dislike Carr, but I'm not going to apologize for him like a lot of people on this board constantly do. I would like to see him challenged for his job next year.
 
i'd say get a back up like K Warner who can be very effective from getting out of the pocket and avoiding sacks...
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One of the reasons Warner lost his starting job was because he held onto the ball too long and got sacked an average of like 6 or 7 times a game.
 
texan279 said:
And who will challenge him for the job?
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Who cares. Bring in a veteran or someone that has started and can be a decent backup when/if Carr wins the job. Just make the point that he is not untouchable and he will be forced to improve. Look what it did for Brees this year.
 
No thanks, I'll give the front office this offseason to improve our O line and give Carr another year.
 
I look at it this way: If I want to boo...I paid the price for the ticket..so I can boo all I want.
Did I boo? No.
Did I want to boo? At the o-line, yes.

It is apparent that the o-line (left side) is the problem. Carr seems like a beaten puppy and when that alarm clock goes off in his head (3 seconds)..it seems like chaos.

Give the guy more time in the pocket, and I assure you he'll become a winning quarterback.
 
the wonger need food said:
Who cares. Bring in a veteran or someone that has started and can be a decent backup when/if Carr wins the job. Just make the point that he is not untouchable and he will be forced to improve. Look what it did for Brees this year.
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Do you think the booing helped Carr? IMO I do. The run he made after being brought back in the game, he could have easily ran out of bounds. I think if he hadn't gotten booed, he would have. Instead he cut it in and gain an extra 5-7 yards. That just shows determination.
 
nflnutswife said:
Texan279. . . Your avatar is awesome! Good job :rofl:
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LOL....Yeah it is pretty awesome isn't it??...LOL...We need to make a banner of it and place it at the top of the message board as our slogan...lol
 
I was also shocked about the Boo's. I think Carr is a good up and coming Quarterback that half the league would snatch up in a heart beat. I think the Boo's should have been toward that weak O-Line! We need to stop putting replacements in as starters and start building the O-Line. I strongly believe that every good team is built around great O and D lines. (Cowgirls in the 90's) Until we do this we will be below average.
 
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