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Booing Carr

swisher

swisher

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sorry if this has already been covered, I didn't see it any where else...

I went to the game today and when Carr came out towards the end of the fourth quarter after being shaken up the crowd cheered when Banks came in. Then when Carr came back in the next play the crowd booed. I don't know if this was audible on tv or radio.

I'm not one to say you shouldn't boo. You paid the money, if the product is bad then that's your choice. But I was a little shocked at this today.

Thoughts?
 
Houston fans are only happy when they get their way. Carr may have been a little off today but he wasn't bad. I'm definitely biased for Carr, but he is a good quarterback and has potential. Tell me what he did so wrong today? I'll be honest and say I didn't get to see much of the game...but looking at the numbers he had a decent day...what is wrong with the game he played?
 
I agree. I thought this was very weak on the part of the fans. Carr didn't have his best day but he was also running for his life a lot. The booing on that play was very sad to hear.
 
He didn't have a bad day either...you wanted him to stop turning the ball over- he didn't do that today, was better than 50%, and had a TD...what's wrong with that? Maybe part of the problem is AJ dropping the deep ball?
 
Carr deserved every boo he got today, he was terrible.

He actually showed some desire with that run after getting boo'ed. The Texans need to bring someone in to challenge him for his job next year. Overall he has been very average this year and has regressed the second half of the season.
 
They should have booed the overall effort of the team. Carr is the QB so he is the target. But he is one of 55 other players on that team. So, to put it on his shoulders solely is unfair.
 
the wonger need food said:
Carr deserved every boo he got today, he was terrible.

He actually showed some desire with that run after getting boo'ed. The Texans need to bring someone in to challenge him for his job next year. Overall he has been very average this year and has regressed the second half of the season.
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what did he do that was so bad? give me reasons why he deserved to get booed...
 
I didn't see the game, only heard on the radio, but it sounded to me with that many sacks, the rest of the O-line should have been boo'd too....Carr got his a** kicked in sacks, so he wasn't alone in losing this game...We need a good back up also to rely on if he has to stay out...I heard Kurt Warner is available and wants to leave NY since he was upset they replaced him with baby Manning......I'm not saying replace Carr, because i still think Carr is an awesome QB, but when he loses his confidence like he did, we need a back up thats as good as Carr when we need him...
 
LiveForTheGame said:
what did he do that was so bad? give me reasons why he deserved to get booed...
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Because he is the leader of the offense and that unit was badly managed on the field. 114 passing yards against the worst team in the NFL deserves to be boo'ed. Carr was completely ineffective and Banks should have been in the game.
 
I understand that, but tell me who to throw to deep down the field? Also, isn't it their offense to go with the short passes?

Kurt Warner doesn't want to be backup so I don't think he'd come to Houston. He wants to start...
 
the wonger need food said:
Because he is the leader of the offense and that unit was badly managed on the field. 114 passing yards against the worst team in the NFL deserves to be boo'ed. Carr was completely ineffective and Banks should have been in the game.
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Even if Banks was in the game, i don't think the O-line could have protected him any better, he plays simular to Carr...But if you get a QB who can play against a team like the Browns that goes AFTER the QB , i'd say get a back up like K Warner who can be very effective from getting out of the pocket and avoiding sacks...
 
In the long run the booing will be good for him. A little humility never hurt anyone, least of which an over-hyped 3rd year QB. I think that Carr has plenty of potential, but we need to draft another good young QB to give us depth at that position and to give him some competition as well. When he realizes what it takes to get it done, I think he'll come around. Coaching just hasn't been good enough to get him there yet. Not to mention the fact that the O-line has more holes than a spaghetti strainer.
 
texansgal8 said:
But if you get a QB who can play against a team like the Browns that goes AFTER the QB , i'd say get a back up like K Warner who can be very effective from getting out of the pocket and avoiding sacks...
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They rushed 4 all day with very few blitzes and Carr was still a deer in the headlights.
 
LiveForTheGame said:
I understand that, but tell me who to throw to deep down the field? Also, isn't it their offense to go with the short passes?

Kurt Warner doesn't want to be backup so I don't think he'd come to Houston. He wants to start...
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I think the Giants screwed up taking him out for Manning, i've seen him throw some awesome deep throws when he has good receivers to throw to, which the Giants didn't...I'm only saying Banks plays very simular to Carr so if he did finish the game, i still think he would have then taken the sacks just the same..
 
Harry Biped said:
In the long run the booing will be good for him. A little humility never hurt anyone, least of which an over-hyped 3rd year QB. I think that Carr has plenty of potential, but we need to draft another good young QB to give us depth at that position and to give him some competition as well. When he realizes what it takes to get it done, I think he'll come around. Coaching just hasn't been good enough to get him there yet. Not to mention the fact that the O-line has more holes than a spaghetti strainer.
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That's a very good point, and I agree. He'll go into the offense wanting to improve and make the fans proud so he doesn't get booed again...it is also good for the whole team.
 
swisher said:
sorry if this has already been covered, I didn't see it any where else...
I went to the game today and when Carr came out towards the end of the fourth quarter after being shaken up the crowd cheered when Banks came in. Then when Carr came back in the next play the crowd booed. I don't know if this was audible on tv or radio.
I'm not one to say you shouldn't boo. You paid the money, if the product is bad then that's your choice. But I was a little shocked at this today.
Thoughts?
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I find it a little shocking too, but only because I haven't seen this by Houston fans before ...
it happens all the time elsewhere.
For what it's worth, I thought Banks should have been allowed to finish up the game at that point. What would it have hurt? .. give him some playing time, shake some of the rust off.. It's not like they were in trouble of losing a big lead or anything. He may have even put some points on the board.
 
LiveForTheGame said:
That's a very good point, and I agree. He'll go into the offense wanting to improve and make the fans proud so he doesn't get booed again...it is also good for the whole team.
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Very excellent point...Carr has been too cozy in his position with the Texans knowing how much he is needed, alittle competition would do him good...I feel if this team doesn't make some changes, they will only have a repeat of this year...I think we all agree and so do the analyst that they have NOOO consistency...Win against a good team one week, then lose to a bad one the next...Thats why they are harldy picked as winners because you never know which team will show up....Like i said, i think Carr is awesome, but they need to get their act together and PROTECT him consistently, not allow his fans to watch him get his A** kicked when the O-line slacks off...
 
ThirdEyeBC32 said:
Thats BS. DC was not the whole reason the offense struggled today. Gaffney dropped a ball that he should have caught on a 3rd down play to keep a drive going. The line needs to protect him better......


Now I will say maybe he can try to get rid of the ball quicker, but was the recievers open? Can't tell you that. But he didn't deserve to get boo'ed much less a cheer for Banks, that was weak.
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I have to admit, as angry as i was also, whats the point of crushing the guys spirit from his fans...He also was down and he could have been hurt, and they were BOOing him...And look what he did when he came back in, ran down the field himself taking a tackle to get his respect back from the fans and get the first down...No this game was not all on him, the team as a whole screwed up royaly with stupid mistakes...But Carr did lose his confidence so that was my point of just taking him out of the game, at least for a while....
 
Our o-line is a terrible pass blocking group. The Browns used the same exact defensive sets that the Jets, Packers and Colts used against us. They rush 4 and keep 7 back and our guys can't handle it. It's not all the o-line's fault though. Has Carr ever stepped up in the pocket? There were numerous times when a simple straight ahead shuffle would have given him an extra second or two with the whole field in front of him instead of rolling into a shrinking sideline. With the wide splits being used by the Browns DEs, Carr constantly rolled straight into pressure (the LDE usually) when his first read wasn't open and protection broke down. It's not usually a good thing when your RB's have more receptions than your WR corps.

As far as booing Carr, I thought it was pretty tacky, especially since he had just left the field after getting crushed on the sack. I've never been an advocate of booing the home team. It's more destructive than constructive in my opinion. I happen to believe that the players already understand that they are playing like **** and the booing just demoralizes and make them press even more. But, booing is often the only way for fans to communicate their displeasure and they will continue to do it whether some like it or not. What made it notable is that most of the "entertain me" crowd had already left and it was mostly die-hards in the stadium at the time. Houston fans -- they love you when you do good and they hate you when you do bad.
 
Booing Carr did not hurt him one bit. He gets paid millions of dollars to play a game. His skin should be thick enough to deal with it for that kind of money. Not to mention the fact that he is supposed to be the leader of the team. If he is not mature enough to take it, then we have much bigger problems than how he performed in one game. The fans have only so many ways to express themselves and after three disappointing seasons we are all getting more than a little frustrated. Remember the fans paid to be there, so they have every right to vent a little bit.
 
Good points aj. In addition to the pathetic pass blocking by the Texans so called offesnive line, when Carr was running for his life, the receivers just stood there and watched. I watched Jabar Gaffney on a couple of plays just quit and stand therewhile Carr was scrambling. The receivers need to run back to the QB and help him out a bit.

But the offensive line is most to blame.
 
gwallaia said:
But the offensive line is most to blame.
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This is a problem everywhere. When a team does poorly, the QB always gets blamed for "not being good enough." But if the QB is spending 75% of the game or more on his back or scrambling to get out of bounds, how can you expect him to be effective? I don't have a problem with the fans booing on bad playcalling or all-around lack of effort. But to boo the quarterback because the O-Line can't protect him? That's punishing the wrong man.
 
Texans Gal you are right. The fans pay the bills!!! They have a right to boo , hiss, yell, chant, etc.. This is an entertainment form not nuclear science or lab class. The protocol is to yell and scream---when it's good and when it's bad!!! Let's be Texan fans who , like Philly and others, show heart and emotion. And that means "booing" when a bum call is made, or a player like Carr consistently messes up. I played the game for years...believe me---booing will motivate!! It's like my coach at Chicago used to say, "There's nothing like the face of the gallows to motivate one's self". TRUE!!!!!!
 
This was the only game I was not able to go to this season. I gave up my tickets this morning.... didn't feel so hot, and slept through most of the game on and off. :thud: (kinda like our O-line).
Dont think DC deserves to be booed by our fans. He is not the entire team. Our offense showed up for about 8 or 9 games this season. Granted, DC has had his off days but even at his best....he can't do it alone, the offense has to be there for him. There's no excuse for so many sacks, you gotta protect the QB. :shocked

I agree with some previous posts...booing Carr or our own team in our own stadium doens't happen much. I don't think we should do it at all. Houston fans have a heck of alot more class than that. But I do understand the frustration.
Let's leave the booing to Non-Texans fans!
Darn, speaking of Non-Texans fans...those Jag-asses won the game.
(Here they come.........) :neener:
 
Not to deflect blame from the O-line, because they certainly deserve it, but Carr is equally responsible for many of his sacks. His technique is not good at this point. He doesn't move his feet in the pocket and doesn't keep his head on a swivel, and any 8th grade football coach worth his salt will tell you that's how you get sacked. It's also a huge part of why he is off balance when he throws so many of his passes. He along with the rest of the team earned their boos today. It doesn't mean he won't get better. It just means that the fans think that its time for him to getter better. As of about 3:00 pm today, the honeymoon officially ended. Now it's time for Carr to prove himself next season.
 
Carr has responsibility in this (in terms of how he reacts to the pressure). It's not all on the OL. That's my point - along with it being fairly lame to boo your own QB after he gets flattened by a 300 pounder. Why not cheer the injury next time? Same thing.
 
Dubya said:
This is a problem everywhere. When a team does poorly, the QB always gets blamed for "not being good enough." But if the QB is spending 75% of the game or more on his back or scrambling to get out of bounds, how can you expect him to be effective? I don't have a problem with the fans booing on bad playcalling or all-around lack of effort. But to boo the quarterback because the O-Line can't protect him? That's punishing the wrong man.
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PERFECTLY said. I said it before, your QB is only as good as your o-line protecting him....What does that say for us???? Carr has been getting nailed left and right and gets right back up ready to play again...I have to say one thing about him, he is NOOO quitter...I admire that....Getting back into that game took balls knowing your hated at that moment by your fans,.....He needs protection to be effective...Not every QB is a Vick or MaCab, whos best at scrambling out of the pocket....
 
...A coach once said to me that there is NOTHING more motivating and refocusing than being reminded that one is staring down the halls of the gallows. So go ahead and Boo and show emotion, fans!!! Take it from a former player, negative responses are very, very motivating!!!! Especially when you are facing the gallows and your career is on the line which is what makes winners re focus. It's accountability . Do you think the best coaches out there aren't motivated by the fear of being fired????? Or the best players by being cut or benched?????
So, please fans, show emotion like Philly and others.
 
whotex8 said:
This was the only game I was not able to go to this season. I gave up my tickets this morning.... didn't feel so hot, and slept through most of the game on and off. :thud: (kinda like our O-line).
Dont think DC deserves to be booed by our fans. He is not the entire team. Our offense showed up for about 8 or 9 games this season. Granted, DC has had his off days but even at his best....he can't do it alone, the offense has to be there for him. There's no excuse for so many sacks, you gotta protect the QB. :shocked

I agree with some previous posts...booing Carr or our own team in our own stadium doens't happen much. I don't think we should do it at all. Houston fans have a heck of alot more class than that. But I do understand the frustration.
Let's leave the booing to Non-Texans fans!
Darn, speaking of Non-Texans fans...those Jag-asses won the game.
(Here they come.........) :neener:
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Booing your team does not make you a bad fan. It means that you care and choose to express your displeasure in a vocal way. That never hurt anything.
 
When you only need 4 guys to cream the quaterback and have 7 to cover 3-4 recieving options it will always be hard to pass. Carr does make some bad decisions but evryone does.
 
Harry Biped said:
Booing your team does not make you a bad fan. It means that you care and choose to express your displeasure in a vocal way. That never hurt anything.
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But the point i think most were making was that Carr was down, could have been seriously hurt with cracked ribs, bruised sternum?? To me, that was not a good time to express your feelings to your own hurt QB...
 
texansgal8 said:
But the point i think most were making was that Carr was down, could have been seriously hurt with cracked ribs, bruised sternum?? To me, that was not a good time to express your feelings to your own hurt QB...
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Can't disagree with that, but I don't think that the fans realized exactly what was going on at that point. All in all, it didn't hurt Carr or the rest of the team to be booed and those who booed, more than likely did so out of frustration in the heat of the moment, not malice. There are far too many #8 jersey floating around town to think that it was malicious.
 
texansgal8 said:
I think the Giants screwed up taking him (Warner)out for Manning, i've seen him throw some awesome deep throws when he has good receivers to throw to, which the Giants didn't...I'm only saying Banks plays very simular to Carr so if he did finish the game, i still think he would have then taken the sacks just the same..
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Warner was benched because in the Giants opinion he was holding the ball too long and taking too many sacks. He would never get a pass off here.
 
Exactly my point Txngal8.

Shhh! Don't tell anyone.... ;)
I was booing at home before I realized DC was hurt.
 
Texan Gal 312 said:
Warner was benched because in the Giants opinion he was holding the ball too long and taking too many sacks. He would never get a pass off here.
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But watching Baby Manning play doesn't look much better to me, other then hes worse on throwing then Warner...I still think they jumped the gun...Baby's already taken some pretty good hits by Dallas..lol...
 
cmiller said:
...A coach once said to me that there is NOTHING more motivating and refocusing than being reminded that one is staring down the halls of the gallows. So go ahead and Boo and show emotion, fans!!! Take it from a former player, negative responses are very, very motivating!!!! Especially when you are facing the gallows and your career is on the line which is what makes winners re focus. It's accountability . Do you think the best coaches out there aren't motivated by the fear of being fired????? Or the best players by being cut or benched?????
So, please fans, show emotion like Philly and others.
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Like Philly??

How many SuperBowl wins do the Eagles have?
How many World Series Championships do the Phillies have?
How many NBA titles do the Sixers have?

I fail to find the correlation between fans booing or cheering and a team winning a championship.

Lakers fans have long been recognized as nothing but glamour hounds that care more about looking good than cheering for their team. They seem to have had some recent success.

Believe me, the players on the field aren't worried because fans are booing.
 
David Carr (on getting booed) “I’d boo, too. From what we were putting on the field today, I was booing in the huddle. It was embarrassing. As the quarterback of the football team, that might lie on my shoulders, but that’s fine. What I’m more concerned about is fixing things inside the organization. I know I can speak for all the guys on my team that they put out as much effort as any team I’ve been around. We have to fix things in here first. The outside stuff is going to take care of itself. But we didn’t go out and do anything deserving of any praise.”
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seems like even Carr realized that this game deserved a "Boo" or two.
 
Speaking of quotes, read Billy Miller's quotes further down the page..

Then there's this gem by Steve McKinney:

(On if David Carr had an unusual amount of pressure on him today) “No, I know some guys were getting beat, but it’s going to happen like that. I don’t think that it was unusual.”
 
and dont think free agents dont pay attention to how critical the home crowd is (or the media).

i'd imagine it might have some small bearing on a decission in limbo.
 
No one would ever want to play in New York, Philly or New England ever again if that was a major factor.
 
you only hear about the ones that signed. not the reasons of those who dont.
 
aj. said:
Speaking of quotes, read Billy Miller's quotes further down the page..

Then there's this gem by Steve McKinney:

(On if David Carr had an unusual amount of pressure on him today) “No, I know some guys were getting beat, but it’s going to happen like that. I don’t think that it was unusual.”
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OK, when these guys think they did nothing wrong AND did well protecting their QB, then "HOUSTON WE GOT A PROBLEM".....HELLOOOOOO
 
aj. said:
Then there's this gem by Steve McKinney:

(On if David Carr had an unusual amount of pressure on him today) “No, I know some guys were getting beat, but it’s going to happen like that. I don’t think that it was unusual.”
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:shocked

:bag:

Steve McKinney :slap:
 
I totally concur with aj, Carr forced alot of his own misfortune especially on the ends, instead of using his blockers as shields he turned them into plows & was constantly running to make a play & on 3rd long. That combined with the lack of pocket presence where simply stepping up in the pocket could help his guards recover lean & angle. I guess you could say Carr was mathematicaly challenged & failed his test. I'm not touching the paint incident :thud:

concerning booing, I don't like it & doubt if I where at the game would have done it, I much prefeer booing the officials even though today they called a good game. Guess the honeymoon is over for this expansion franchise, the reality of winning next year is apparent that will be the only way to get rid of the boo birds :mad:
 
thegr8fan said:
seems like even Carr realized that this game deserved a "Boo" or two.
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Does the above quote seem to suggest to anyone else that maybe DC is getting a little tired of the problems with the Oline? Or is it an indication that something else is going on?
 
I was thinking the same thing bigfan, after reading it a second time. It does seem to be one of those "read between the lines" kind of comment. Especially the
We have to fix things in here first. The outside stuff is going to take care of itself.
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line. Makes you wonder what kind of 'internal' stuff they need to fix doesn't it? :hmmm:

One thing I wish Carr himself would fix is the lack of 'Pocket Awareness' that he has exibited lately. Step up into the pocket and quite running like a jack rabbit out of it. Course with a Center that thinks that 6 sacks a game and multiple 'fight or flight' scenarios exibited by Carr today with the Browns pass rush is 'normal' it is easy to understand how Carr could be very nervous with this O-line.

Personally I don't support boo-ing your own team. But I can see the other side of this argument also and understand the fans desire to express their displeasure. I won't do it myself though. As exibited by Carr's quote, the team already knew how bad they played. The don't need their own fans to 'critique' it in such a vocal way as they did today, IMHO.
 
Interesting quote by Carr. It's probably an offense vs. defense scenerio where one unit thinks the other isn't holding up its end of the bargain. But it could be that the players are not sold on the Domball system. Either way, I hope we see quite a few changes this offseason.
 
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