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Bob McNair and Pete Carroll Dealing Behind the Scenes?

The bigger issue...Was Bush swayed by a discussion between Pete Carrol and Bob McNair? Teams can not comment or communicate with undeclared college players. This is communtication and would have gone above that rule. I would like to know what kind of penalties could be enforced if this somehow becomes true...
 
this was from Dec 10..and the article has Bush's stepfather saying he wants Bush to go pro due to the fact that Bush has done everything possible at the college level.

USC coach Pete Carroll thinks that the media is influencing star running back Reggie Bush's decision whether to turn pro, ESPN reported Sunday.

Carroll, whose top-ranked Trojans will play No. 2 Texas on Jan. 4 for an unprecedented third consecutive national championship, feels the media are pushing for Bush, a junior, to turn pro after the season.

Carroll has told NFL scouts that Bush would go pro if he's assured of being the No. 1 overall pick, ESPN reported.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10322929/from/RSS


so with ESPN reporting that the Texans are taking him..is nothing being they have the #1 pick..


Unfortuantly.. none of us will hear the truth to all of this.. IF the Texans draft him..it is because "he is the best player in college" if they trade down.. the thing will be "the offer was too good and we are more than a player away"
 
If we put everything in a nutshell

Texans are expected to have Carr's deal done (which I believe means 3 more years).
If that is the case, it makes no sense to draft VY or Matt so by speculation Bush is the talent that is logical IF we aren't trading down.

Come on Feb 1st!!! (that is the day right that we know about Carr,right?)
 
Vinny said:
At this time of year you should only believe that you should not believe anything you read when it comes to the draft "insider info". The posturing is rampant and mind games are the norm.
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Right on Vinny! The mind games are what intertain us till it is time for the draft. I love what we have to talk about this year; coaches,trades,draft and free agency. My poor feable mind is spinning.:stirpot:
 
if its true i think its funny a college coach telling and owner what to do and i tought mcnair was the one cutting the checks not carrol:stirpot:
 
coreyvice said:
Just seems like if the report is true, then we need to ask ourselves the question. If it's about money, I understand. But the dude won the Heisman. He'll get his money. If it's about the draft order, then he might possibly be the kind of guy who's gonna complain every time he wasn't the first option on the play.
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IMO, this is more about Bush not wanting to go to New Orleans than about money
 
chuckm said:
IMO, this is more about Bush not wanting to go to New Orleans than about money
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Agreed. I think any Bush hesitation about coming out was due to the Saints' draft position. And I don't really blame him for that at all. The scary thing, though, is - as a draftee, you never know who is going to be drafting in the top 3 spots next year.
 
I think Mort is just scrambling for anything to make him NOT look stupid. He ans many others at ESPN have said all along that the Texans were drafting Bush when we said none of the such. I believe it came down to a post game interview with Cass by Bob Allen and Cass said when asked about the draft he said that we weren't taking Lienert. That's all he said, nothing else. He cannot comment on Bush but he can comment on Lienert cz he's a senior. Now somewhere caught up in the middle of this is us saying that we were gonna pick up an option on Carrs' contract. Well 1 + 1 = 3????. Now we've got Young in the mix. I won't drool over him as I usually do but this thow about 32 monkey wrenches in the whole thing. Mcnair has said (sorry no link) that picking up the option on was immenint (sp) but there was no hurry. Dan Reeves said Carr would make a good NFL QB. Not a good Texans QB but a good NFL QB. The writing is on the wall that we take Young and/or we're taking Young. Mort is just saving face cuz it's playoff time and he has about 1% left in him after covering the playoffs. Sources say this and sources say that. ESPN doesn't want the Texans to take Bush cuz like I said in a previous post that the whole state of CA turned off the TV after the Younghorns beat the Trojans they'll likely do the same after Bush is not #1.

And Mort, if you're reading this (or one of his "sources"), just leave us the hell alone until you've got time to focus on us. Or better yet, bring your Yankee *** down here and beat the pavement and knock on some doors and ask questions yourself. See you in April Dawg.

Here's to waiting until the kids at least workout.
 
Big B Texan Fan said:
IDan Reeves said Carr would make a good NFL QB. Not a good Texans QB but a good NFL QB.
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I actually heard that come out of his mouth too. Its all about raising stock...the same thing is about to be done for VY and Bush after their evaluations are complete...
 
McNair's not stupid enough to have given such assurances. He may have said we feel pretty sure we may be taking Bush, but that's as far as it would go.

Anybody really know what the NFL rules would be if McNair HAD given such assurance?
 
Nighthawk said:
McNair's not stupid enough to have given such assurances. He may have said we feel pretty sure we may be taking Bush, but that's as far as it would go.

Anybody really know what the NFL rules would be if McNair HAD given such assurance?
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I'll look it up but I'm sure you lose draft pix as well as a hefty fine. Doubt it's a 1st that we'd get stripped from us but maybe others as well as moving down in the 1st.
 
BREAZE said:
I actually heard that come out of his mouth too. Its all about raising stock...the same thing is about to be done for VY and Bush after their evaluations are complete...
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Reeves' been around long enough to know how to word things. They are trying to get Carrs stock high and possibly send rumors out there that were taking bush to drive up the trading price.
 
Nighthawk said:
McNair's not stupid enough to have given such assurances. He may have said we feel pretty sure we may be taking Bush, but that's as far as it would go.

Anybody really know what the NFL rules would be if McNair HAD given such assurance?
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even if he did, both Mcnair and PC will most likely deny it ... it never happened ... that Mortensen is reaching again ... c'mon you know how the media is ... blah blah ...
 
coreyvice said:
Just read the ESPN article. If this is true, then it seems to show that being picked number 1 is a really big deal to Reggie Bush.

Just speculating, but this might be indicative of a "me first" attitude. I know it's too early to say, but it's something to keep an eye on.
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Maybe it's indicative of a player that doesn't want to be drafted by New Orleans. That may seem a little like a 'me first attitude', but who can blame him?
 
sakebomb said:
Would you consider Vince to have the same attitude by yelling "who's the heisman now"?
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Young showed me a lot tonight by breaking away from the rest of the players and circling the field at DKR saluting all the fans during the NC celebration. The guy is a class act and a team leader. I got sick tonight watching all of his highlights on the jumbotron thinking that the Texans are going to be stupid enough to pass him up and he will be the with Traitors next season.
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michaelm said:
Maybe it's indicative of a player that doesn't want to be drafted by New Orleans. That may seem a little like a 'me first attitude', but who can blame him?
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Could also be that he is interested in playing for Houston and Gary Kubiak.
 
Big B Texan Fan said:
I'll look it up but I'm sure you lose draft pix as well as a hefty fine. Doubt it's a 1st that we'd get stripped from us but maybe others as well as moving down in the 1st.
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Yea, its classified info I think because I could not find it anything. I would think if you were going to be penalized picks that would be more known. I've heard Casserly say he could not comment on certain players because they were not declared as he would get fined. I'm hoping that's as far as it would go.

Wow, could you imagine getting a #1 ripped from you because of stupid stuff like this? I guess it would put an end to the debate...:yahoo:
 
McNair's not going to do anything to jeopardize the reputation of the team. I'm sure if any discussions took place - they were legit. Of course, the conspiracy theorists :spy: are going to think otherwise.
 
I'm pretty sure these kind of rumors fly around every team that picks #1 when people arent sure who will be going in the top spot. Its just stuff to fill dead air time since there are only 3 more football games left this season.
 
Big B Texan Fan said:
I think Mort is just scrambling for anything to make him NOT look stupid. He ans many others at ESPN have said all along that the Texans were drafting Bush when we said none of the such. I believe it came down to a post game interview with Cass by Bob Allen and Cass said when asked about the draft he said that we weren't taking Lienert. That's all he said, nothing else. He cannot comment on Bush but he can comment on Lienert cz he's a senior. Now somewhere caught up in the middle of this is us saying that we were gonna pick up an option on Carrs' contract. Well 1 + 1 = 3????. Now we've got Young in the mix. I won't drool over him as I usually do but this thow about 32 monkey wrenches in the whole thing. Mcnair has said (sorry no link) that picking up the option on was immenint (sp) but there was no hurry. Dan Reeves said Carr would make a good NFL QB. Not a good Texans QB but a good NFL QB. The writing is on the wall that we take Young and/or we're taking Young. Mort is just saving face cuz it's playoff time and he has about 1% left in him after covering the playoffs. Sources say this and sources say that. ESPN doesn't want the Texans to take Bush cuz like I said in a previous post that the whole state of CA turned off the TV after the Younghorns beat the Trojans they'll likely do the same after Bush is not #1.

And Mort, if you're reading this (or one of his "sources"), just leave us the hell alone until you've got time to focus on us. Or better yet, bring your Yankee *** down here and beat the pavement and knock on some doors and ask questions yourself. See you in April Dawg. .
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You seem a bit paranoid.:hmmm: :hide:whew I thought I heard Mort coming. They (being the Texans and not Mort) will probably come out a little more stable after we get our new coach. Until then everything is speculation. :hyper: Sounds like my kids. He said this and she said that. They have to come out and say something, but until they are all in the War room you never know.
 
Here is a link to the Richard Justice article from today's paper (Jan 16) addressing the leaks coming from the Texans Staff, specifically the leak about the Texans taking Bush.

http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice/archives/2006/01/bob_mcnair_need.html

The article states that it was Casserly who spoke to Carroll and assured him that Bush would be the number 1 pick.

McNair did speak to Carroll. He said he made no such promise. Charley Casserly apparently spoke to Carroll as well. He told him Bush would be the No. 1 pick.
But that conversation took place before it become clear Young would leave Texas. The report casts the information in a different way.

I wonder if Mr. Casserly did state this before Bush declared? It says it was before Young announce, but I wonder how much sooner.
 
USC Coach Pete Carroll, though, has thought about it. Since he has an NFL background, I asked Carroll the big question: If it's between Leinart or Bush, who goes No. 1?
``Quarterbacks are harder to find, you know, historically,'' Carroll said. ``I'm not trying to take anything away from Reggie. But there's been numbers and numbers and numbers of great running backs that have been third-round picks.



http://www.kansascity.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/13253600.htm



posted this beofre but here it goes again.
 
Napa Auto Parts said:
USC Coach Pete Carroll, though, has thought about it. Since he has an NFL background, I asked Carroll the big question: If it's between Leinart or Bush, who goes No. 1?
``Quarterbacks are harder to find, you know, historically,'' Carroll said. ``I'm not trying to take anything away from Reggie. But there's been numbers and numbers and numbers of great running backs that have been third-round picks.



http://www.kansascity.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/13253600.htm



posted this beofre but here it goes again.
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That was also published back on November 25, 2005, a lot can change in a month and a half; just look what happened over the course of one night with Vince Young exploding onto the scene.
 
Quarterbacks are harder to find, you know, historically,'' Carroll said. ``I'm not trying to take anything away from Reggie. But there's been numbers and numbers and numbers of great running backs that have been third-round picks.



thats just what caught my attention:spy:
 
Texans Pride said:
That was also published back on November 25, 2005, a lot can change in a month and a half; just look what happened over the course of one night with Vince Young exploding onto the scene.
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Nov 25th was after that Fresno game that every one was drooling over.
For him to say that after that game and what it meant to Bushs' Heisman stock and his draft stock. That's kinda weird. I'm with you napa. It is eye catching.
 
McNair is class.

He wouldn't say he'd take Reggie Bush unless he will. There's a lot of posturing that can occur in terms of draft strategy, but I seriously doubt that McNair would stoop so low as to promise one thing and then do another.

It adds up: Kubiak + Kubiak's O Line Coach + DD + Wells + Bush + Morency = A heckuva' lot better running game than Denver ever dreamed of having.

My dream of drafting a stud o lineman with one of the first picks of the entire draft is fading fast.

Saying Carr will flourish with Bush and AJ, and under Kubiak's system, better dang well be right.
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
McNair is class.

He wouldn't say he'd take Reggie Bush unless he will. There's a lot of posturing that can occur in terms of draft strategy, but I seriously doubt that McNair would stoop so low as to promise one thing and then do another.

It adds up: Kubiak + Kubiak's O Line Coach + DD + Wells + Bush + Morency = A heckuva' lot better running game than Denver ever dreamed of having.

My dream of drafting a stud o lineman with one of the first picks of the entire draft is fading fast.

Saying Carr will flourish with Bush and AJ, and under Kubiak's system, better dang well be right.
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If he was promising to take Bush than he is a moron. You don't play your hand like that especially when you can't know for sure who you are going to take, especially when you don't even know who your coach is going to be.
 
Somewhere in this tread someone has Cass saying that bush will go #1.
Did he say bush will go #1 to the Texans?

BTW, loose lips sinx ships. Cass needs to do his homework first and run his mouth second.
 
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