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I say we bench or trade DD, whenever he is in the game we have no passing game. I also noticed this last year. When DD is in the game Carr looks for aj and dumpes the ball off to DD. We are better off without DD.
 
It's not Doms fault the coaches center an offense around a middle of the road back who has limited game breaking skills.
 
It's not Doms fault the coaches center an offense around a middle of the road back who has limited game breaking skills.
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so is it their fault the coaches center their offense on an around the middle of the road QB who has limited game breaking skills, like Carr?

I'm with you BP1, obviously when DD isn't in the game the Texans open up the offense and passing game to score more points. Heck even Wells plays better. Obviously the entire offensive problem is DD. He needs to sit down more often so the Texans can play a better more competitive ballgame.
 
Who am I blaming? I didn't see me blaming anyone for anything in this thread except the coaches.
 
Bull Pen 1 said:
I say we bench or trade DD, whenever he is in the game we have no passing game. I also noticed this last year. When DD is in the game Carr looks for aj and dumpes the ball off to DD. We are better off without DD.
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this is without doubt the dumbest thread i have ever seen in my life, all i can hope for is that you forgot to press the little "sarcasm" icon. i dont think i eve need to respond to this garbage, i just couldnt help myself.
while we are at it, why not realease james form the colts becasue he is limiting mannig's touches???? :brickwall
 
Vinny said:
It's not Doms fault the coaches center an offense around a middle of the road back who has limited game breaking skills.
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would you consider LaDannian Tomlinson to be an elite back?
Im gonna go on a limb and assume you say yes... yet you call DD a middle of the road back, please explain how DD had almsot the same number of total yds from scrimage as LT did last year?
Just becasue DD doesnt run a 4.3 40 doesnt mean he is not a gamebreaker, nor does it mean he is an average running back. how does everyone else fail to realize his talent, esspecially when he is running behind the worst offensive line in the history of the NFL?:brickwall
by the way, how fast was emmit smith?
 
thegr8fan said:
so is it their fault the coaches center their offense on an around the middle of the road QB who has limited game breaking skills, like Carr?

I'm with you BP1, obviously when DD isn't in the game the Texans open up the offense and passing game to score more points. Heck even Wells plays better. Obviously the entire offensive problem is DD. He needs to sit down more often so the Texans can play a better more competitive ballgame.
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The Texans scored pretty much on their average for the season today.
 
Who am I blaming? I didn't see me blaming anyone for anything in this thread except the coaches.
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not sure who your reply was too, but if it was mine, then all I did was ask a simple question regarding our QB and coaching decisions and your opinion on it. I didn't use the word blame, you did.

as for the thread, come on guys can't you see the light. This was by far David Carr's best game this year, no DD to fall back on. Obviously DD is a crutch to Carr's learning and playing better. It is as obvious as the nose on your face. Trade DD or sit him down and make Carr play well every game. The offense opened up, the WR's hands improved, the Kicking game was good, the entire game was competitive. OBVIOUSLY when DD isn't playing the Texan bring their 'A game'. Sit him down and play Wells, he played his best game to date, IMHO, even. The whole team seems to be more focused and playing better without him.

Sit DD or trade him so the Texan's can get better.
 
The Texans scored pretty much on their average for the season today.
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see even more proof of how DD really isn't a solution to the Texans game. We played and scored the same amount of points without him. And, IMHO, we played a better game overall.
 
and we can sit aj to. that way carr doesnt key on him and spreads the ball around more. d##n, we would be awsome. no one would no what we were gonna do.
 
thegr8fan said:
see even more proof of how DD really isn't a solution to the Texans game. We played and scored the same amount of points without him. And, IMHO, we played a better game overall.
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You are the one who said MORE...I love how people forgot from one post to the next what they said.
 
thegr8fan said:
not sure who your reply was too, but if it was mine, then all I did was ask a simple question regarding our QB and coaching decisions and your opinion on it. I didn't use the word blame, you did.

as for the thread, come on guys can't you see the light. This was by far David Carr's best game this year, no DD to fall back on. Obviously DD is a crutch to Carr's learning and playing better. It is as obvious as the nose on your face. Trade DD or sit him down and make Carr play well every game. The offense opened up, the WR's hands improved, the Kicking game was good, the entire game was competitive. OBVIOUSLY when DD isn't playing the Texan bring their 'A game'. Sit him down and play Wells, he played his best game to date, IMHO, even. The whole team seems to be more focused and playing better without him.

Sit DD or trade him so the Texan's can get better.
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So, because DD didn't play, the O-line magically improved and the WR's magically got better? I'm sure AJ's return didn't affect the change in coaching plans either; the impact of a Pro-Bowl receiver obviously pales in comparison to a change in running backs. DD has accounted for about 1/2 of our total offense before today's game. Without him, we would score even fewer points (if that was actually possible...)
 
actually I think our average is 10-11 pts per game and we scored 14. But that is splitting hairs. And still makes the point that DD isn't the key to whether we score points or not. If he was we wouldn't have scored our average without him.
 
Bull Pen 1 said:
I say we bench or trade DD, whenever he is in the game we have no passing game. I also noticed this last year. When DD is in the game Carr looks for aj and dumpes the ball off to DD. We are better off without DD.
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Noooooo waaaay dude. Are you out of your mind? DD is the 3rd best player on this team. Only AJ and Dunta are better. It's not DD's fault Carr has no field vision. I.E. The Texans last play of the game. Once we get a real coach in here, DD will be used appropriately like Ladanian and you will see how important this guy is to the team. He is very versitle. Good runner and good catcher. Should use like Westbrook but run more.
 
AJ's return didn't affect the change in coaching plans either
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how many TD's did he score? He didn't seem to be a huge part of the game today, so no, the coach's didn't seem to change their gameplan due to his return.

So, because DD didn't play, the O-line magically improved and the WR's magically got better?
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don't forget our QB, whom some on this board feel had a BREAKOUT game this time out. Magic? OK, if you want we will simply say DD has bad MOJO.
 
Jerry said:
So, because DD didn't play, the O-line magically improved and the WR's magically got better? I'm sure AJ's return didn't affect the change in coaching plans either; the impact of a Pro-Bowl receiver obviously pales in comparison to a change in running backs. DD has accounted for about 1/2 of our total offense before today's game. Without him, we would score even fewer points (if that was actually possible...)
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i dont follow your thoughts in this thread, you seem to be arguing two seperate, opposite points with yourself.
 
What if the Texans had a coaching staff that could utilize Andre Johnson and Domanick Davis at the same time? That would be just fine and dandy.
 
The Texans scored 2 touchdowns in two games this year, one of the games was today. All the other games we scored one touchdown. Carr checks downfield then dumpes the ball off to DD. When he isn't in there he actually found receivers today. If you checked the games last year when DD was hurt the same thing happened. Either sit DD or Carr don't play both of them at the same time.

Actually probally sitting Carr isn't a bad idea. Of course this is already in another post.
 
Somebody could double check my numbers, but the Texans have scored 107 through 8 games. They scored 14 points today. 107-14= 93.

So prior to today 93 divided by 7 games 13.3 points per game.
 
gwallaia said:
What if the Texans had a coaching staff that could utilize Andre Johnson and Domanick Davis at the same time? That would be just fine and dandy.
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Now, that is a thought I could get behind.
 
i think the offensive line starting to play a little better has more to do with our 2 td's than anything else.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
Somebody could double check my numbers, but the Texans have scored 107 through 8 games. They scored 14 points today. 107-14= 93.

So prior to today 93 divided by 7 games 13.3 points per game.
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So how many games you think we can win scoring 13.3 points per game this year.
 
gwallaia said:
What if the Texans had a coaching staff that could utilize Andre Johnson and Domanick Davis at the same time? That would be just fine and dandy.
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Yea, and then we could all skip through the Middle East singing kumbaya.
 
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So how many games you think we can win scoring 13.3 points per game this year.
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About the same that the 14 point performance you guys are raving about.
 
He does have a point. While I wouldn't say to bench him or trade him, I do notice our passing offense sucks when we overuse Davis. I don't know if it's Carr's fault, or if it's the playcalling, but look at the first half of last season. We weren't using Davis much because of his fumble problems, but Carr was throwing for like 275 ypg and 65% completions with a rating close to 100. In the 2nd half when we started forcing Davis into the offense, Carr's % dropped to mid 50's and his ypg dropped to ~ 200 and a rating around 70-80.
 
gwallaia said:
What if the Texans had a coaching staff that could utilize Andre Johnson and Domanick Davis at the same time? That would be just fine and dandy.
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Wait a minute. Are you telling me that there are coaches out there who utilize the talent available to them and maximize their effectiveness? That's insanity.


I don't see how DD is the problem here. Wells was part of the passing game as well. Didn't he have like 44 yards recieving and 56 yards rushing or something like that? Seems to me like DD would've put up similar numbers had he been able to start. I think that David just seems to play better against the Jaguars than he does against most other teams.
 
exactly Rovator.

Carr's playing and stats go way up WITHOUT DD in the game. Why? Who cares. We have now identified a main ingrediant to the Texans problems, DD. Bench him. He is obviously slowing down David Carr's development as much as the O-line is.
 
Yea because our offense looked so dynamic today without DD.

There's no one to blame for DD's overuse except for Capers.

Now, if this offense would be better with less RB dumpoffs, I could go with that.
 
Now, if this offense would be better with less RB dumpoffs, I could go with that.
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thats the whole point of sitting DD down. Carr does not have the easy dump off pass to him and is forced to go through his WR progressions and find the open receiver.

DD is obviously a huge problem to our offense and needs to sit down so Carr can develop his QB skills. DD is Carr's crutch, obviously and we need to get rid of the crutch and get Carr back on the development track.
 
Here's an idea that I've been preaching all season long: LETS GET A REAL OFFENSIVE LINE!! One that can run block for D Dand one that can give Carr more than 2 seconds to pass! It angers me when stupid talk like this occurs and people are too dumb to notice the problem in front of their eyes. Davis is a good back, if Carr dumps off to him, thats not Davis' fault! Lets see what happens when him, AJ, Mathis, and Gaffney are all on the field together before we pass judgement on a RB who had 1776 total yards and 14 TDs last year.

Also, we just signed him to a nice big extension in the offeseason so QUIT DREAMING!!
 
DD seems to do just fine with our offensive line. Imagine what he could do with a real O-line and what we could get for trade for him. But this thread is about DD and sitting him or trading him. If you want to inject the 'O-line is the whole problem' idea, pick one of the 1,332,345 OTHER threads that it already exists in.

DD sits and the team comes alive, get the magic, whatever you want to call it. When he isn't on the field the entire team seems to do better offensively. Lets sit him down for a few games and see how the improvements go.
 
I doubt we get a whole lot in a trade for DD. He does a lot of things decent but he doesn't do anything exceptional either. There are a lot of RBs drafted in the mid rounds every year that are nearly identical to him. Not trying to take anything away from him but we probably wouldn't get more than a 3rd or really late 2nd.
 
No reason to even find out, he has signed a 5 year extention so he is here. DD is a good back that fits our system, but he does need to be spelled more so that he can be healthy all season. Any RB that gets the ball as much as he does starts to build fluid on his knee. Anyway DD should neither be benched or traded. He is one of the stars on this team and should be for a good long time. If the next coaching staff like Vinny implied started passing the ball more then DD would likely add 25+ yards per game. incase you did not know that is an extra 400yds per season.
 
gotta love that logic.. get rid of DD because we dont pass enough when we is in the game.

Hell.. I say we cut Bradford, Gaffney, Armstrong, and Mathis.. cause Johnson doesnt get the ball enough. Then we should cut all of our Olinemen except Pitts..cause he is our best blocker anyway. While we are at it.. lets cut Dunta Robinson cause no one throws his way.. and that puts too much pressure on our other CBs.
 
Bull Pen 1 said:
I say we bench or trade DD, whenever he is in the game we have no passing game. I also noticed this last year. When DD is in the game Carr looks for aj and dumpes the ball off to DD. We are better off without DD.
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I say you Take another Dose of crazy pills then take 2 weeks off,then come back and quit!

DD has been most of our offense this year,or have you been to busy looking throught the bottom of the prescription bottle?I have been on the DD Train from the start and not backing down now.:banme
 
Grid said:
gotta love that logic.. get rid of DD because we dont pass enough when we is in the game.

Hell.. I say we cut Bradford, Gaffney, Armstrong, and Mathis.. cause Johnson doesnt get the ball enough. Then we should cut all of our Olinemen except Pitts..cause he is our best blocker anyway. While we are at it.. lets cut Dunta Robinson cause no one throws his way.. and that puts too much pressure on our other CBs.
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<cleaning coffee of my screen>


Now that WAS funny!

When will people understand that when DD is in the game, the defense keys on him because he 60% of the offense. It is the coaches fault for not calling the right plays, not the player's fault for doing so well.

This is not higher math here.
 
UN-FRICKING-BELIEVEABLE............The ONLY people on this team that need to be benched are the ENTIRE coaching staff............THEY are the ones that can't organize the talent on this team and get them working together to make it appear someone knows what the hell is going on. DON'T blame any one player for the TEXANS poor showing thus far.....IT ALL FALLS ON THE COACHES:goodnight
 
I'm not saying it's DD fault, I'm just saying we play better withiut him. As the gr8 fan said he is Carr's cruch. So he hurts the team, get him out of there.
 
Grid said:
gotta love that logic.. get rid of DD because we dont pass enough when we is in the game.

Hell.. I say we cut Bradford, Gaffney, Armstrong, and Mathis.. cause Johnson doesnt get the ball enough. Then we should cut all of our Olinemen except Pitts..cause he is our best blocker anyway. While we are at it.. lets cut Dunta Robinson cause no one throws his way.. and that puts too much pressure on our other CBs.
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No, no, no... you have it backwards. We need to get RID of the crutches to improve the others - to force them into improving vs. proving their worth as our top players have done.

So you would need to drop DD, DRob, AJ, Pitts, and might as well throw in Carr. That way, all the others would step up their game.

Hmm.... I wonder who we get rid of to step up the coaches....
 
I often wondered what speaking in tongues meant. But thanks to this thread I have a snapshot that I can add to my mental rolodex.
 
So you would need to drop DD, DRob, AJ, Pitts, and might as well throw in Carr.
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take Carr out of that sentence, because he is the one still hobbling around on the DD crutch. But yeah, we beat Cleveland without AJ, and the WR's played a better game, except Bradford so fire him, and if we dropped DRob, then we would see the REAL Philip Buchanan I am sure, the Showtime version. Pitts hasn't taken a game off since he got here, so he definitely needs a rest. The O-line would definitely have to step up.

But this thread is about DD and how he needs to sit down so the Texans and especially Carr can step and concentrate and bring their 'A game'. When DD is not in the game Carr's stats are much better, his WR's get the ball more, the entire game is improved. The stats show it, clearly. Sit him down and lets get the Texans back on the winning track again. :texflag:
 
thegr8fan said:
When DD is not in the game Carr's stats are much better, his WR's get the ball more, the entire game is improved. The stats show it, clearly.
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DD was the primary RB in every game Carr had over 250 yds of passing in last year and the 245 yd day, but yeah the stats show it clearly.

Is there are argument that something needs to change from over dependence on DD? Sure, but the solution isn't sitting or trading a gigantic piece fo the offense. The solution to DD dumps, if it is a problem, is keeping DD in to pass protect or releasing the TE's into safety valve work and telling Carr to look for them and not DD.

Fact is this whole issue is overstated--in the last three games, DD has caught 2, 1 and 2 passes (he is averaging 3.25 receptions per game)--that is obviously not the difference in the passing game from yesterday when Wells caught 4 and Morency caught 1.
 
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