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Ben Tate Says We're "wishy-washy"
- Thread starter htowntexans1985
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b0ng
Bad Hombre
Exactly. Self entitled "I can do what I want when I want and I deserve a great franchise" type fans. Boo whenever you please, and throw a fit when the players take notice it makes all Houston fans look so warm and endearing nationally.
Especially after the whole cheering Schaub's injury during the Rams game. Maybe a few bad years will thin out the terrible **** heads that have latched on to this fan base in the last few years.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
I think the fans are making a transition from happy to have a team to , this losing and gagging in big games stinks to high heaven and we're tired of it . We don't owe you anymore than buying a ticket and parking pass . This isn't a 3rd grade Christmas play where no matter what , you stand and applaud .
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Anyone here ever meet Corey Bradford? I did once and spoke with him for a few minutes in 2003. He was in my opinion a very nice man and struck me in passing as a quality person. I'm not speaking about his ability as a WR (though I'd rather have Corey Bradford than either Keyshawn Martin (PR for a TD yesterday or not) or some of the other bums we've brought in here over the years. How good or bad of a player he was isn't what I'm talking about.
We talked a little bit about the then-current doomed season and the progress the Texans were making. I have never forgotten the look on his face when he told me that they had let all of us down and that he was sorry. It was totally misplaced and he couldn't have been more wrong but he really did seem to feel like they had fallen short of what was expected and he seemed genuinely upset about it. I couldn't be mad at him if I'd wanted to.
I just told him that I thought they were doing their best and that the fans understood that it took time to build an NFL team. Knowing how Carr liked the check down so much and rarely looked past his first read I imagine Corey ran a lot of routs that were doomed to produce nothing from the moment the ball was snapped. Still I haven't any doubt that he was trying and wanted nothing more than to succeed and hear Texans fans cheer. He was there opening night and he knew what was within their grasp if they could just put it all together.
Ben Tate, in this respect has nothing on Corey Bradford and Ben Tate never will. He doesn't get it and as far as I'm concerned he can hit the door when this season is over.
We talked a little bit about the then-current doomed season and the progress the Texans were making. I have never forgotten the look on his face when he told me that they had let all of us down and that he was sorry. It was totally misplaced and he couldn't have been more wrong but he really did seem to feel like they had fallen short of what was expected and he seemed genuinely upset about it. I couldn't be mad at him if I'd wanted to.
I just told him that I thought they were doing their best and that the fans understood that it took time to build an NFL team. Knowing how Carr liked the check down so much and rarely looked past his first read I imagine Corey ran a lot of routs that were doomed to produce nothing from the moment the ball was snapped. Still I haven't any doubt that he was trying and wanted nothing more than to succeed and hear Texans fans cheer. He was there opening night and he knew what was within their grasp if they could just put it all together.
Ben Tate, in this respect has nothing on Corey Bradford and Ben Tate never will. He doesn't get it and as far as I'm concerned he can hit the door when this season is over.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Speaking for the terrible **** heads who have been here since day one I don't think a few bad years are going to make any of us leave. If they were we'd have been gone a long time ago.
Having high expectations doesn't make you a bad fan. There's nothing self-entitled about wanting your franchise to achieve greatness and expecting it when many of the signs point to a bright future.
Nobody should have to apologize for wanting Matt Schaub to sit the **** down. The Texans should be sending out apologies to their fans that they only way their idiot coach would make that happen was an injury. If they'd benched him earlier, when they should have, before he set an NFL record for futility then maybe people would be more understanding.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
Matt and Kubiak are just the easy branches to trim before you start getting into the trunk of this rotten tree . This reared it's ugly head in the end of the Carr days . Bob hated giving up on DC and it hurt his heart to cut him . It's going to be the same with Gary and Joe Marciano , who are Texan kinda guys . Wait ... Irsay just called Bob and told him the team is fine and headed the right way .
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Yeah. It's Bob. It will always be Bob. Bob is a football moron. He's a smart businessman and seems to be very much an NFL business-side guy but he's football stupid and he's not getting any smarter.
People point to his success in business and say "This man is no moron. This man is a brilliant businessman" but that doesn't really make any difference. We've seen successful businessmen enter the league and be completely inept owners (who still make money hand over fist in spite of their incompetence) when it comes to football decisions.
Bob's going to be football-stupid his entire life. He's had over 12 years to work it out and his weaknesses are no different today than they were when he started. He's not Bud Adams. He's a different kind of problem. One that is (so far) harder to get mad at but equally as frustrating.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
The first thing that came to mind when I read a tweet about Wade's comments last night was seeing him blasted into the backfield last night on Tate's run from the 2 yard line. Wade's the most wishy washy olineman we have. Good play then horrible play. Heck, at least Newton's bad practically every play.
These dude's need to put themselves in our seats/recliners and see what we're seeing. You'd think they'd see the suck with as much film as they claim to watch.
Ben Tate is dead to this team. He is playing for himself not the Texans. He is an example of the mental make up of the players on this team. Someone said we could have had a first round draft choice for him this year. if so just another reason Rick needs to go. We will get nothing for him after this year unless you call the pity pick compensation.
Don't really want to hear how courageous he is. He is playing for his next contract. It seems to me in past years he missed many games for mystery ailments. just my opinion.
Don't really want to hear how courageous he is. He is playing for his next contract. It seems to me in past years he missed many games for mystery ailments. just my opinion.
htowntexans1985
1st Round Pick
BAD TIMING TEXANS!! I'm sure someone is going to have some words for the tater tot.
Blake
MMQB
I would prefer them to have him sign a photo and then rip it up in his face.
htowntexans1985
1st Round Pick
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
This team here in
Houston is so up and down and so
wishy-washy. I'm just shocked at that.
Houston is so up and down and so
wishy-washy. I'm just shocked at that.
TheIronDuke
All Pro
Somebody should give him some crutches to sign.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Speak for yourself.
Because we aren't fickle or worthless.. we aren't undeserving (we have one of the longest consecutive streaks of sell out games in the league going), we aren't garbage or unintelligent... and we certainly aren't SPOILED.. In order to be spoiled you have to be pampered and put up on a pedestal with a silver spoon shoved up your rear end... now football wise, when the hell has that ever happened to the fans of this city?
We aren't "spoiled", we're pissed off and disgruntled.. there's a difference. The fact that we aren't fickle, worthless, know we deserve better, and aren't garbage or unintelligent is the reason why we know we deserve better. If you want to talk about spoiled.. look at the coaching staff of your local team.. they're the ones who have been spoiled. And that "spoiled/coddle" mentality has trickled down to the players as well outside of a select few.. it all trickles down from the top from Daddy Warbucks. He's created a culture where their is no accountability until the **** hits the fan.. and when the **** hits the fan, fans get pissed off and then players get offended.
Ben we say you are one of the reasons we are in this situation. I think he fumbled once for sure but maybe twice in games that might have been the turning points in those games. I still think fans need to clarify why they are booing.
This BOO is for Gary and Rick.
This Boo is for Matt.
This Boo is for McNair.
Or combination whatever
This BOO is for Gary and Rick.
This Boo is for Matt.
This Boo is for McNair.
Or combination whatever
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
The 'woe is me' fan mentality is humorous.
Mr. White
Retired OLine Coach
Looks to me like the "woe is me" fans still remember the Oilers years pretty well. If I'm right, then we see a lot of similarities between the bad soap opera that is this season and can compare it to pretty much all of their seasons.
Most years were bad, but even during the good years, our drunk idiot of an owner fired good coaches, traded good players, and hired coaches that punch each other during games. The owner we have now gets worse results using just the opposite tactic. This guy needs to call a board meeting and waits for the quarterly stockholder vote before he'll get rid of bad players or can bad coaches.
Oiler fans always knew the other shoe was going to drop. We knew the Oilers would always choke in the playoffs just like we knew Kubiak would defy common sense and put Schab back in at some point. Within the scope of Houston sports history, there's been more bad years than good. This season is just a return to form in epic fail fashion.
Make no mistake, there is some Oiler-style drama going on this season. Can't wait to see what the seaon-ending cliffhanger's going to be.
SchaubApologist
Waterboy
it's rich that us fans are "wishy washy" when his offense has scored two 2nd half TD's in the last 8 games combined.
i really can not wait to move on from this guy.
i really can not wait to move on from this guy.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
So basically Oiler fans are Boston Red Sox fans before they started winning.. or Saints fans.
All it takes is the right change. We aren't cursed, we just haven't made the right personnel decisions yet.. I hope we make them this coming offseason.
As far as the "woe is us" stuff.. I don't think that's directed at the old guard.. It's directed at the idiots who keep posting and starting threads that Watt and Andre are going to somehow leave when they can't. Or say there's no way we can re sign Watt and he won't sign here, which we can and he will. At least it is for me. A lot of the "woe is us" stuff stems from people becoming cry babies.. they should be happy, this losing is going to bring about much needed change. I'd rather take this season over another 10-6 season where we beat the Bengals in a wild card game and then get our collective asses spanked and sent home the next week. Speaking of which.. Kubiak's entire tenure can be summed up by this..
Because that's exactly what this team's M.O. has been any time this team has had to step up in competition against the big boys.
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No doubt.
Seth Payne hit the nail on the head when he said that hate is not the opposite of love. Apathy is the opposite of love, and to be quite honest, I have reached the state where I will probably have better things to do with my time because of apathy.
The NFL is entertainment at the end of the day. And when I get to the point where I am no longer being entertained, I think it's time to use my finite life to do something productive...or at least do something that does entertain me.
I will always be a Houston Texans fan, but like loving my country, I do not have to like my government....or front office.
I will still watch the games. But, it will be with my DVR and on my time, when I can forward through the blabbity announcer stuff and just analyze the game instead of giving a crap about the outcome.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
So basically Oiler fans are Boston Red Sox fans before they started winning.. or Saints fans.
All it takes is the right change. We aren't cursed, we just haven't made the right personnel decisions yet.. I hope we make them this coming offseason.
As far as the "woe is us" stuff.. I don't think that's directed at the old guard.. It's directed at the idiots who keep posting and starting threads that Watt and Andre are going to somehow leave when they can't. Or say there's no way we can re sign Watt and he won't sign here, which we can and he will. At least it is for me. A lot of the "woe is us" stuff stems from people becoming cry babies.. they should be happy, this losing is going to bring up much needed change. I'd rather take this season over another 10-6 season where we beat the Bengals in a wild card game and then get our collective asses spanked and sent home the next week. Speaking of which.. Kubiak's entire tenure can be summed up by this..
Because that's exactly what this team's M.O. has been any time this team has had to step up in competition against the big boys.
Dude get out of my head, not funny.
++rep
hookinreds
Veteran
Allington, this is not an attack...I'd just as soon have this discussion while buying you a beer at local choke and puke....here's my thoughts on that topic.
Just as there was a firestorm for the "cheering" when the fans knew Kubiak was forced to put in a replacement when Schaub went down, there was booing when Kubiak made the call to put him back in yesterday. Tate missed what's going on here.
All a fan has is their fandom, just as all a player has is his ability to play. It's like any player would react if they were told they were a crappy player only playing hard and through injury in a contract year, then going back sucking down a paycheck on the sideline with a paper cut the entire next season. I applaud Tate for continuing to play with his rib injury, but he' way the hell off base this this one. The fans really do give a damn about their team and their players, and it pisses them off when there is no accountability for the crappy product that is being put on the field. They are Houston fans start to finish, and the only thing that they can do about it is voice their "opinion" of what they see on the field and the decisions that are being made. "Just don't go" is not an option for season ticket holders. They paid for an entire season, so that money is gone. If they do decide to "not go" try to sell their seats and recoupe some of the lost money, it's likely to another Houston who, whether it's their 1st or 50th game, is there to support their team. If booing bad decisions gets someone in the FO to change things then more power to em. There are no power lunches with the FO/fans. The only way for fans to get their displeasure across to the FO is a Yes or No approval vote of Cheering or Booing. Not buying tickets only leaves those tickets available for ticket brokers who will pimp the tickets off to anyone and then you have more visiting fans than home team fans and the FO only looks at that as asses in seats $$$.
I've "stuck with the team" since before the first player stepped onto the field.
- You were 11 when the NFL owners voted to award the 32nd NFL franchise to Bob McNair. I was cheering from my office in downtown.
- You were 12 when I stood downtown waiting to find out the name of our new NFL franchise
- You were 13 when I stood downtown for the Texans jersey unveiling.
- you took your first College handoff while I watched Gary Kubiak earn his first win as an NFL coach
You've been in Houston for four years, I grew up here.
Ben - We've been here longer than you and we'll be here long after you're gone. We've gone through "tough times" before and we've booed stupid decisions since before you could spell the word football.
I respect the hell out of playing with broken ribs, I really do. Maybe it's those painkillers making you think us fans don't care as deeply as you.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
Texans fans were wishy-washy annoying pieces of **** even when we were winning. All the idiocy on this board over the last couple years even when we were winning was positively absurd.
All you have to do is go back and read. There's a reason I've used the ignore function here more than I could ever hope to use it on any other message board I frequent.
I'm not sure why it is, but even when we were winning people acted like we were the Browns, the Bills, the Astros, the Clippers, etc. Perhaps it's that everyone's become jaded over the years with the Oilers drama and all that.
All you have to do is go back and read. There's a reason I've used the ignore function here more than I could ever hope to use it on any other message board I frequent.
I'm not sure why it is, but even when we were winning people acted like we were the Browns, the Bills, the Astros, the Clippers, etc. Perhaps it's that everyone's become jaded over the years with the Oilers drama and all that.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
then pack your bags and leave, no one is forcing you here to read our "idiocy". dont let the door hit you in the nuts on the way out
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
I'm here because it's the quickest way to get Texans news. Other boards don't have nearly the same volume as this board does, which is why, perhaps, the average intelligence is not so high. Diluted population and all that.
Still, the point stands. We act like spoiled brats as fans while other teams and fans would KILL to have an owner that spends money, players like Andre, Watt, Cushing, Brown, Foster, Tate, Joseph, and yes, even Matt Schaub.
All I ask is perspective. One down year in the last three doesn't mean we're the ****ing Raiders, Browns, Bills, or any one of the other Perpetually Worthless franchises.
In 2011, no.
In 2012, yeah.
2012 we saw a bunch of signs. But some chose to ignore them
But in 2011 I don't think this place had ever been more positive. Most of the negativity was directed towards Yates by schaubites.
Other than that, it was the next man up season and everyone was behind the texans.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
we have 2 winning seasons out of 11, we ARE exactly like the browns, raiders and vikings.....wake up and realize "talent" doesnt win games by itself. coaching the talent does. gary is no better than dom as a head coach
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
Actually, Kubiak was light years ahead of Capers as a coach. But he's reached his ceiling. Do you think I want Kubiak here still or something? If so, you should probably read more of my posts and read them more carefully.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
no but youre complaining and saying were wishy washy when in reality were fed up with losing
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
We ARE wishy-washy. We're bipolar ****s. Do you SEE this place. Have you SEEN this place?
Booing Schaub yesterday was embarrassing and ridiculous. Then cheering for him as we drove down and made a game of it was even moreso.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
everyone has a breaking point, 8 straight losses in a super bowl or bust season is ours....its not bipolar-ism to have expectations and then get pissed when you fail miserably to achieve your goals
amazing80
Hall of Fame
thats bull****. we booed schaub when he came out and then cheered the TEAM when they drove down the field
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
And my point is that this board (and fanbase, if the board is to be trusted) has been a trainwreck of bipolarity and division for YEARS.
Vance87
All Pro
Just FYI wishy-washy means lacking strength or character.
"Up and down" and wishy-washy mean two different things.
So he said we were bipolar AND we are weak.
Is Ben Tate saying that if we were 8-2 nobody would be complaining? WELL NO **** SHERLOCK! FUGGIN' CAPTAIN OBVIOUS BEN TATE FOR THE WIN!
To say that we are weak because we are tired of losing and we are tired of sh!tty coaching decisions is completely odious and I really don't care if he plays another down for us.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
The problem with that statement is that the franchise, since inception, has only really had one high, two playoff seasons in a row, apart from which the entire thing has been a train wreck.
Even this latest low was presaged by the 6-10 which followed 9-7.
Without wishing to offend you matrix, you have been one of the loudest, most devicive influences on this board recently, calling out your fellow fans for daring to highlight the ineptitude.
This seasons been done for 4 weeks already, due to the broncos pats and colts left to play whom we don't have a hope in hell of matching.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
I don't give a rats ass what people think of "fandom" be it sports or tv shows or whatever. We're fans. We can think and act however the f*ck we want as long as we stay within civil laws. If I wanna boo someone one second and cheer them on the next I will. It's my frigging breath I can do with it as I please.
Jeeezzzz. Some of yall need something serious to worry about, cause this $hit isn't something worth worrying about.
Jeeezzzz. Some of yall need something serious to worry about, cause this $hit isn't something worth worrying about.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
You can read it as such and that's definitely your prerogative to do so. I think wishy-washy encompasses all of it. Up and down, fickle, weak-minded, etc.
Obviously everything would be better if we were winning, but we're not. No use blowing sunshine in everyone's ass. But he IS right. We went from Keenum energy to COMPLETE disaster in what, two weeks? Personally, I think people are pissed because they thought quarterback was the only thing wrong with this team ON THE FIELD. That's clearly not the case.
And Welsh, yeah I'm vocal, because I don't think fans are consistent. I'm definitely going to call out the "tankers" and the hypocrites who, for example, blamed the OL for Keenum's trouble but blamed Schaub for Schaub's trouble. Goes back to my point about people being pissed because they thought QB was the only on-the-field problem. I like rational thought and analysis, so I'm not going to take too kindly to people analyzing things incorrectly.
That said, we can all agree that this season is a dumpster fire and that it'd be best to just put the season behind us.
Surreal McCoy
Rookie
+++MSR
Hervoyel
BUENO!
It's a small matter really. Ben will be signing with someone else as soon as the FA period begins so who really cares? He can have his pass. Later Ben.