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mussop said:
Am I the only one that thinks Alabama @#1 is a joke? Anyway there are going to be some great bowl games.
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They are an undefeated team in the second toughest conference in the nation.

It is what it is.

That one will work itself out in the end though. The only sure thing in the BCS right now is the winner of the Bama/UF game is going to the championship.
 
Here's my projections for the games this week:

1. Alabama beats Auburn 27-9

2. Texas beats Texas A&M 49-13

3. Oklahoma beats Oklahoma St 38-31

4. Florida beats Florida St 34-17

5. USC beats Notre Dame 31-7


What this means:

Winner of Alabama vs. Florida will definitely be in the National Championship Game.

I think OU will nearly catch up in the computers, but I actually think that the human voters are going close the gap between OU & Texas. Voters tend to take their final ballots very seriously (too bad they don't do it the entire year) and I think some will throw Tech out of the equation and decide that UT goes over OU because of the head to head.

I think it's going to be really close. I see OU barely coming out ahead though.
 
bah007 said:
I would absolutely love it if FSU tripped up Florida and then Florida won the SEC.

OU vs. Texas rematch for the title!
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Well, since I am not getting my Texas v. Texas Tech, I'll settle for Texas v. OK.

Anyone else thinking conference championship games (originally started by conferences to make $$$) are outdated and don't fit with the BCS system?
 
That means yall better root for my Noles. I got a good feeling about this one.

The thing about this game is that everybody is going to be playing 100%. Nobody will take a play off.
 
bah007 said:
I would absolutely love it if FSU tripped up Florida and then Florida won the SEC.

OU vs. Texas rematch for the title!
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Not as likely but you can have Alabama lose to Auburn and then beat Florida. Same result.

Let OU have the big 12, face Mizzou and still have to face us in the NC.
 
Yankee_In_TX said:
Well, since I am not getting my Texas v. Texas Tech, I'll settle for Texas v. OK.

Anyone else thinking conference championship games (originally started by conferences to make $$$) are outdated and don't fit with the BCS system?
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Either everybody should have them or nobody should have them.

The Big XII & SEC teams have to run a gauntlet all year and then at the end they have to play another top 15 team while the Big Ten, Big East, & Pac 10 teams move up the rankings just by being idle.
 
bah007 said:
Either everybody should have them or nobody should have them.

The Big XII & SEC teams have to run a gauntlet all year and then at the end they have to play another top 15 team while the Big Ten, Big East, & Pac 10 teams move up the rankings just by being idle.
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Honestly , I think every conference should have them and a precondition of playing in the National Title Game is you win your conference championship. But that makes too damn much sense for College Football ....
 
Corrosion said:
Honestly , I think every conference should have them and a precondition of playing in the National Title Game is you win your conference championship. But that makes too damn much sense for College Football ....
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I agree. The Big 11 needs one for sure. That's the most obvious example.

The Pac 10 has a true conference champion at the end of the year because all the teams play eachother. But they could split into divisions of 5 and shorten the conference schedule.

Example:
Pac 10 North - Oregon, Oregon St, Stanford, Washington, Washington St
Pac 10 South - Arizona, Arizona St, Cal, UCLA, USC

Each team would play all the teams in their division plus three teams in the other division. That would give them seven conference games, plus they would get five non-conference.

This is perfect for them because their conference is weak as a whole and they could bolster their strength of schedule by playing real non-conference games.
 
Corrosion said:
Honestly , I think every conference should have them and a precondition of playing in the National Title Game is you win your conference championship. But that makes too damn much sense for College Football ....
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How does that make sense? For example - you have 3-4 top 10 teams in the Big 12 South. In theory a lower ranked BCS team can play in the Big 12 game. They tried to fix that by saying the tie breaker is the BCS ranking.

IMHO I don't think a conference Championship should be decided by polls...

Seems to me the two systems conflict with each other.

As far as a precondition, what does any of the South teams beating a North team prove?

And didn't OK either not play in it or lose and still go to the title game years back? I think in the current system Conference CHampionship games are out dated.

(and of course, should be replaced with a BCS 8 team playoff!)
 
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Yankee_In_TX said:
How does that make sense? For example - you have 3-4 top 10 teams in the Big 12 South. In theory a lower ranked BCS team can play in the Big 12 game. They tried to fix that by saying the tie breaker is the BCS ranking.

IMHO I don't think a conference Championship should be decided by polls...

Seems to me the two systems conflict with each other.

As far as a precondition, what does any of the South teams beating a North team prove?
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You make a point, but as an Ohio St fan wouldn't you rather see the Big Ten either play a round-robin schedule or have a conference championship game?

How can you choose the conference champ if two teams finish tied at the top but didn't play each other?
 
Yankee_In_TX said:
...And didn't OK either not play in it or lose and still go to the title game years back? I think in the current system Conference CHampionship games are out dated....
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I believe Nebraska in 01 & Oklahoma in 03 both made the national championship game despite losing their conference championship games.
 
bah007 said:
You make a point, but as an Ohio St fan wouldn't you rather see the Big Ten either play a round-robin schedule or have a conference championship game?

How can you choose the conference champ if two teams finish tied at the top but didn't play each other?
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Big Ten currently has weird tie breakers - like if you played a AA team you lose the tie. Weird, but at least you can control that (don't schedule any AA teams). But as it stands, those are for BCS games. Penn State and Ohio State have shared the Big 10 Title this year.

BUT I also think the 8 team playoff should be the highest ranked 8 teams, no designated spots for conference winners. Maybe that's why the conference title is devalued in my head... Hrmm...
 
Yankee_In_TX said:
Big Ten currently has weird tie breakers - like if you played a AA team you lose the tie. Weird, but at least you can control that (don't schedule any AA teams). But as it stands, those are for BCS games. Penn State and Ohio State have shared the Big 10 Title this year.

BUT I also think the 8 team playoff should be the highest ranked 8 teams, no designated spots for conference winners. Maybe that's why the conference title is devalued in my head... Hrmm...
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I guess I just don't understand how it is a shared title. Penn St beat Ohio St so shouldn't they just be the outright winner even though they have the same record?

As for playoffs, what would the criteria be? What about Utah, Boise St, & Ball St?
 
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bah007 said:
I guess I just don't understand how it is a shared title. Penn St beat Ohio St so shouldn't they just be the outright winner even though they have the same record.

As for playoffs, what would the criteria be? What about Utah, Boise St, & Ball St?
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Top 8 teams by BCS ranking, period. And yes, that probably needs tweaking, BUT, at least you know the top 4 teams in the nation are pretty much 100% guaranteed to be in the playoff.

So if it happened today, Boise State and OSU are out. But if Boise state sneaks into the top 8 after the SEC title game, then they would be in.

Yes, teams 9 and 10 would rant every year, but what you really get, one way or another, is the top 4.
 
Every conference should split into two divisions and have a conference championship game.

There is no reason USC and OSU should be idle during conference championship week and move up in rankings.

If it were up to me I wouldn't allow teams to get into BCS games until their conference made a championship game. Big Ten and Pac-10 know they have the advantage by not having a conference championship game and they have reaped the benefits for years. Plus the two conferences aren't very good.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Every conference should split into two divisions and have a conference championship game.

There is no reason USC and OSU should be idle during conference championship week and move up in rankings.

If it were up to me I wouldn't allow teams to get into BCS games until their conference made a championship game. Big Ten and Pac-10 know they have the advantage by not having a conference championship game and they have reaped the benefits for years. Plus the two conferences aren't very good.
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So which team are you adding to the Big Ten?
 
Yankee_In_TX said:
So which team are you adding to the Big Ten?
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That'd be a hard question to answer. Personally, I would just leave a team out.

If they knew they had no chance at a BCS game I promise you they would figure it out. As it stands now there is no pressure for them to do it. Their representative can sit idle during conference championship week, slide into the NC game, and then get stomped, as it has been for 2 years in a row now.

No offense to OSU, I just think it's unfair.
 
No offense take, this has been a good thread. Also made me realize I devalue conference titles (even our own). I dislike automatic bids. Why? Because the whole stinking BCS is only designed to determine, and therefore only matters for teams #1 and #2. After 1 and 2, then it is suddenly BCS is irrelevant and conference rankings matter. Seems silly to me.

We asked Notre Dame, they said screw you in 1999.

I guess I agree - everyone has one or no one does. I just vote no one. There's too much $$$ in college ball to adjust to the times quickly.

Hell, we're stuck with the BCS as is until what, 2015 now because of the new TV deal?
 
I understand that it has worked in years past, but if you look at it, they get chosen because of the history of the program. Same goes for USC. They play lesser competition for most of the year, do not have to play a conference championship game, and then get in based on reputation.

It may work sometimes, but there needs to be a more precise way to judge the teams in the BCS. Playoff would be great, but it probably won't happen. So we need to revise the BCS. A team that sits on their couch during conference championship week shouldn't even have a shot IMO. You look at the SEC, ACC, or Big 12 and alot of the time the conference championship game is a rematch of a game played earlier in the season. That's one reason why the "we play every team already" argument doesn't carry any weight with me.

The point is that you have to survive another week and another tough game.

But that's just my opinion.

I like conference championships because of the excitement but I wouldn't be totally opposed to doing away with them if everyone did. I just want every conference to be in the same boat.

It's like different leagues playing by different rules and then trying to compare them.
 
TexansSeminole said:
I understand that it has worked in years past, but if you look at it, they get chosen because of the history of the program. Same goes for USC. They play lesser competition for most of the year, do not have to play a conference championship game, and then get in based on reputation.

It may work sometimes, but there needs to be a more precise way to judge the teams in the BCS. Playoff would be great, but it probably won't happen. So we need to revise the BCS. A team that sits on their couch during conference championship week shouldn't even have a shot IMO. You look at the SEC, ACC, or Big 12 and alot of the time the conference championship game is a rematch of a game played earlier in the season. That's one reason why the "we play every team already" argument doesn't carry any weight with me.

The point is that you have to survive another week and another tough game.

But that's just my opinion.

I like conference championships because of the excitement but I wouldn't be totally opposed to doing away with them if everyone did. I just want every conference to be in the same boat.

It's like different leagues playing by different rules and then trying to compare them.
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I agree almost completely, but using this year's USC team as an example isn't the best choice. They went across the country and demolished Virginia. They demolished tOSU. They lost one game. Otherwise, USC has been a top 3 dominant team in the nation from start to end of the season.
 
YoungTexanFan said:
I agree almost completely, but using this year's USC team as an example isn't the best choice. They went across the country and demolished Virginia. They demolished tOSU. They lost one game. Otherwise, USC has been a top 3 dominant team in the nation from start to end of the season.
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If they had a conference championship game they could prove it in a rematch with Oregon St on a neutral field.

As it stands, if Oregon St beats Oregon, then USC is the 2nd best team in their conference.
 
Yankee_In_TX said:
BUT I also think the 8 team playoff should be the highest ranked 8 teams, no designated spots for conference winners. ..
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I like the idea, but here is the problem. WHo are the current top 8?

1. Alabama
2. Texas
3. Oklahoma
4. Florida
5. USC
6. Utah
7. Texas Tech
8. Penn State

So out of these top 8 we have:
3 Big XII South Teams
2 SEC Teams
1 Pac 10 team
1 Big X team
1 non BCS Conference Team

There are no ACC or Big East teams here. Why would they be ok with this system? In the current system, they get an automatic bid with maybe #16 Cincinnati and perhaps #22 Florida State. They give up lots of $ if they were to lose their automatic bowl bid. So, while I think your idea is great in Theory, it will not come to fruition.
 
awtysst said:
I like the idea, but here is the problem. WHo are the current top 8?

1. Alabama
2. Texas
3. Oklahoma
4. Florida
5. USC
6. Utah
7. Texas Tech
8. Penn State

So out of these top 8 we have:
3 Big XII South Teams
2 SEC Teams
1 Pac 10 team
1 Big X team
1 non BCS Conference Team

There are no ACC or Big East teams here. Why would they be ok with this system? In the current system, they get an automatic bid with maybe #16 Cincinnati and perhaps #22 Florida State. They give up lots of $ if they were to lose their automatic bowl bid. So, while I think your idea is great in Theory, it will not come to fruition.
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I've got a system that gives us a playoff AND keeps the bowls alive.

**Disclaimer** - I already know this has no chance in hell so save those posts.

Anyway, I've posted it on here the last couple of years or so, and will do so again when the regular season and conference championships are done.

What it is is a 16 team, 4 week tourney. It takes the champion of each conference and 5 at large teams, the best 5 in the BCS not already in with a conference title.

The BCS rankings still come into play as the 16 teams will be seeded using those rankings. #1 would play #16, #2 vs. #15 and so on.

The 4 big bowls, Rose, Sugar, Orange and Fiesta would rotate for the title game. That would be the Orange Bowl this year. The Sugar Bowl (Superdome) hosted the championship game last year, so that would roatate to a 2nd round matchup with the other 2 (Rose and Fiesta) hosting the semis.

I just picked the bowls according to their payout, and it has been a few years now so these may have changed, but the bowls hosting the 1st round would be the;
Chick-fil-a Bowl
Texas Bowl
Liberty Bowl
Champs Sports Bowl
Holiday Bowl
Motor City Bowl
Music City Bowl
Meineke Car Care Bowl

The 2nd round bowls would be;
Cotton Bowl
Gator Bowl
Outback Bowl
Sugar Bowl

Semis:
Rose Bowl
Fiesta Bowl

Championship:
Orange Bowl

I know, travel, blah, blah, blah. Well, only 2 teams have to travel 4 times, and half the teams only travel once. Quit using travel as an excuse.

So just to give an idea of what it would look like, I'll just take the better record in each conference and assume they're the champs, and then pick the next 5 in the BCS.

So the first round would look something like this if the season ended today:

Chick-fil-a Bowl - #1 Alabama(SEC)/#16 Houston(CUSA)
Texas Bowl - #2 Texas(Big12)/#15 Troy (Sun Belt)
Liberty Bowl - #3 Oklahoma(At Large)/#14 Florida St.(ACC)
Champs Sports - #4 Florida(AL)/#13 Oregon St.(Pac10)
Holiday Bowl - #5 USC(AL)/#12 Cincinnati(Big East)
Motor City Bowl - #6 Utah(MWC)/#11 Ball St.(MAC)
Music City Bowl - #7 Texas Tech(AL)/#10 Ohio St.(AL)
Meineke Car Care - #8 Penn St.(Big10)/#9 Boise St.(WAC)

Picking winners at random, the 2nd round could look something like this:

Cotton Bowl - Texas/Texas Tech
Gator Bowl - Alabama/Penn St.
Outback Bowl - Florida/USC
Sugar Bowl - Oklahoma/Utah

Semis:

Rose Bowl - Texas/Oklahoma
Fiesta Bowl - Alabama/Florida or PennSt/Florida

Orange Bowl National Championship: Oklahoma/Florida or Texas/Florida

So that takes care of that, but that's not all.
The rest of the bowls get to stay in play as well as there will be another 16 team tourney, I call it the Bowl Invitational and this will be like the NIT tournament in college hoops.

This will take the next 16 teams in the BCS and/or AP poll, and they will play it out just like the above tourney in the lesser bowls; Papa Johns, Armed Forces, Independence, etc.

The incentive to make it to the finals in this tourney would be a trip to Hawaii to play this bracket's title game in the Hawaii Bowl.

So that's my contribution to getting a playoff for college football while at the same time keeping the precious bowl system in play.

And don't doubt for a minute that this thing wouldn't be bigger than March Madness. Hell, it might even be bigger than the Super Bowl.
 
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Hookem Horns said:
BTW, you don't think Texas would dominate Tech in Austin in front of a fired up crowd? I do.
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What I think is if Gideon doesn't drop the ball we aren't having this conversation. But he did. Not banging the kid....he had a he77 of a season.

The reality of it is that no one wants Texas in the NC game. No one. They'll have to beat up on the aggs and have a lot of help. On paper it doesn't look good. They'll be voted out by the humans and as the sos catches up with them. brace yourself there big guy. It's not fair. Just the way it is. Since I had them at 7-4 at the start of the season, I think this is Mac Brown's finest coaching job yet.
 
Well I keep hearing how all of this will happen. What I know is that Texas is beat up. Bad. So....either you cut out regular season games or you increase the roster spots considerably from eighty five.

Then you'll have to kill every lobist for every bowl . Next you'll have to kill every college president of all 119 colleges. Then maybe you'll get a play off system. You dismiss the travel expense out of hand...that there thingy is what you call reallity. I can see the herd following their team cross country for one game...not four. The only way this will come to pass is if the justice departrment sues the major colleges for institutional racism in regaurds to their head coaching hiring practices. Make it more expensive not having a play off system as living off the bowl money. they all have to hire 250 dollar an hour attorneys...they'll start having second thoughts. Anytime you have to ask why about anything, always follow the money. Right now the bowls controll the money.
 
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awtysst said:
I like the idea, but here is the problem. WHo are the current top 8?

1. Alabama
2. Texas
3. Oklahoma
4. Florida
5. USC
6. Utah
7. Texas Tech
8. Penn State

So out of these top 8 we have:
3 Big XII South Teams
2 SEC Teams
1 Pac 10 team
1 Big X team
1 non BCS Conference Team

There are no ACC or Big East teams here. Why would they be ok with this system? In the current system, they get an automatic bid with maybe #16 Cincinnati and perhaps #22 Florida State. They give up lots of $ if they were to lose their automatic bowl bid. So, while I think your idea is great in Theory, it will not come to fruition.
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You would need a BCS scoring system that would some how (no idea how) determine when "off conference" teams deserve to truly be top 8.

For example - I don't think Ball state could go toe to toe with any of the current top 8. I don't think Florida State could, either.

Those schools would also need to start scheduling games against the big 6 conferences until the system catches up - for example, OSU plays UC a lot. If we kill them, and end up #10, it's hard to argue UC belongs in the top 10.

I know it seems like a really forgein concept - but look at basketball. And I like the idea of an NIT type tourney for those outside the top 8. And crap bowls for everyone else.
 
Personally I cant see them going to a playoff system even in 2013 or whatever. There is too much money to be made with all these bowls, and their TV deals because these next 2 weeks of football are going to be viewed by millions. If there was a playoff, teams would be resting starters, and nobody would care once they clinched a spot IMO.

Just the amount of interest that I have in my Longhorns this past week, and if they win tomorrow, the next few weeks, is insane. I cant get enough and it makes me sick!
 
As long as the tv networks keep throwin cash at the NCAA everytime the contract runs out there won't be a playoff. If they stopped then maybe but there are too afraid the next channel will so it won't happen anytime soon.
 
texanhead08 said:
As long as the tv networks keep throwin cash at the NCAA everytime the contract runs out there won't be a playoff. If they stopped then maybe but there are too afraid the next channel will so it won't happen anytime soon.
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Both the TV stations and Colleges could make more money in a playoff format than they do now. They could incorporate the bowl games into the playoffs. But thats far too simple and makes far too much sense for college ....
 
Final strength of schedule:

1. Virginia
2. Duke
3. North Carolina St
4. Wake Forest
5. Baylor
6. Washington
7. Georgia
8. Colorado
9. North Carolina
10. South Carolina
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12. Texas
17. Oklahoma
26. Texas Tech
28. Florida
33. USC
59. Penn St
72. Utah
73. Alabama
 
My top 25 based on resume:

1. Oklahoma (11-1)
2. Texas (11-1)
3. Alabama (12-0)
4. Florida (11-1)
5. USC (10-1)
6. Texas Tech (11-1)
7. Penn St (11-1)
8. Utah (12-0)
9. Boise St (12-0)
10. Ohio St (10-2)
11. TCU (10-2)
12. Oklahoma St (9-3)
13. Ball St (12-0)
14. Missouri (9-3)
15. Georgia Tech (9-3)
16. Boston College (9-3)
17. Oregon (9-3)
18. Georgia (9-3)
19. Cincinnati (10-2)
20. BYU (10-2)
21. Mississippi (8-4)
22. Michigan St (9-3)
23. Florida St (8-4)
24. Virginia Tech (8-4)
25. Iowa (8-4)


OU is only on top because of alphabetical order, O comes before T. I consider OU & Texas to be tied for first.
 
This isn't official and I don't even have a link I can provide but I've been hearing a very nice rumor regarding the BCS bowl situation.

Apparently Fox (who holds the rights to the BCS games right now) is trying to get the Fiesta Bowl to take Ohio St vs Utah so that Texas can face Florida/Alabama loser in the Sugar Bowl.

That way, the #1 SEC team would face the #1 Big XII team for the title and the #2 SEC team would face the #2 Big XII team in the Sugar Bowl.

Hope it happens.
 
bah007 said:
This isn't official and I don't even have a link I can provide but I've been hearing a very nice rumor regarding the BCS bowl situation.

Apparently Fox (who holds the rights to the BCS games right now) is trying to get the Fiesta Bowl to take Ohio St vs Utah so that Texas can face Florida/Alabama loser in the Sugar Bowl.

That way, the #1 SEC team would face the #1 Big XII team for the title and the #2 SEC team would face the #2 Big XII team in the Sugar Bowl.

Hope it happens.
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That would be awesome! I would actually vote for UT then...
 
Yankee_In_TX said:
Boooooooooo! We win, well, we beat Utah. We lose, well, we lost to utah.

Give us Texas.
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We are in the same boat Yankee.

I really hope this goes through and we get Bama in the Sugar (sorry).

But if it doesn't, I would much rather play OSU. Beating Utah earns you nothing cuz you were "supposed" to beat them.
 
Sal Rosenberg said:
Is there are chance Texas could go to the Sugar Bowl?I am usually down there for New Year's ANYWAY!
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In any normal year, Texas would be headed to the Fiesta Bowl.

As I said, I heard Fox is trying to work a deal with the bowl committees so that Texas can go to the Sugar and Utah can play Ohio St in the Fiesta Bowl.

If I find anything on this in writing I will post the link.
 
Doesn't really matter seeing as how UT will dominate whichever team they play in their bowl game. The exception is Florida if UT does make the Nat'l Title game.
 
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