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Bates, Pariani Offered Coordinator Contracts?

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Both reports via kffl.com:

Texans | Offer pending to Bates?
Sat, 21 Jan 2006 06:57:02 -0800

PackersNews.com reports the Houston Texans are believed to have made former Green Bay Packers defensive coordinator Jim Bates a lucrative offer to take over their defense. Houston is going to hire Denver offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak as their new head coach, according to numerous reports, but the Texans have to wait until the Broncos' season is finished before they can make the move. They can hire members of the coaching staff, presumably with Kubiak's approval, and the demand for Bates means they probably can't wait until Denver's season ends to have a shot at him.
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Texans | Pariani could head to Houston
Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:13:58 -0800

Tim Gorman, of the Daily Orange, reports Syracuse University offensive coordinator Brian Pariani could be headed to the Houston Texans. Denver Broncos offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak, a friend of Pariani's, will reportedly accept the head coaching position in Houston after the Broncos' season ends and he may want to bring Pariani to Houston.
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Bates looks like a good hiring.. im not too worried about who we hire as OC. Kubiak ran the offense in Denver and I imagine he will do the same here. Whoever he hires as OC will most likely (im assuming) be more of an assistant than a guy that really controls the whole offense.
 
Bates....that would be a late/early Christmas gift for sure. He is extremely well liked by players, while running an effective defense.

The other guy....I think we can do better. Unless he is a Kubiak protege, it definitely would not follow suit of hiring quality coordinators such as Bates, Brown, Marciano, etc.
 
http://www.packers.com/team/coaches/bates_jim/

Bates really would be the perfect selection. I hope he takes the job. Look at that resume. Not only has he had top 10 defenses every season as a DC.. he is a member of "The Belichick Club".. one of those sought after coaches that has served under Belichick at some point in his career hehehe.
 
Vinny said:
Less than stoked on Brian Pariani. Syracuse was awful last year offensively and they operated just like Capers and his staff did by forcing a system on players instead of building a system around their talents.

http://www.uhnd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1129872477&archive=&start_from=&ucat=1
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The West Coast offense often has a transition period before the players get a true sense of the offense. Here is a slightly less biased bio on Brian Pariani:

Brian Pariani Bio

He is well-respected and has 3 Super Bowl rings just like Kubiak. Here is a quote from Shannon Sharpe from the bio:

It was great for me to work with him. When he got there I was already a three-time Pro Bowler and an all-pro tight end, but I learned a lot from him, such as how to watch film and what to look for. Even after I went to Baltimore we still had conversations a few times a month, so that shows you what type of friendship we have that still goes way beyond football.”
 
I like the sound of Bates. They ranked 7th in total yards per game (293.1), 14th in completion %, all better than us. He wasn't too good against the run, but all of GB final defensive stats were a heck of a lot better than ours. Like that was hard to do. It almost seems certain then that we'll switch to the 4-3 if we get Jim Bates. I dont' know too much about the guy from Syracuse though.
 
Bates would be an excellent hire. I would also be happy with Jerry Gray, but maybe even more so about Bates.

As to Pariani, I am not familiar with him. Maybe he isn't coming as OC? Could be an assistant. Or if he does come as OC, I think Kubiak will most certainly be the one who sets the tone for the offense. Look at Capers/Palmer. Palmer may have been calling the plays, but it was Capers philosphy that was implemented. I also feel better knowing that Shannon Sharpe thinks highly of him. Let's give the guy a shot before we start the "Fire Pariani" posts. :yahoo:
 
I've had my eye on Bates since Miami and he was one of the top three on my list for the DC job along with Gray and Marinelli.

Bates is in high demand and I've had my fingers crossed ever since some of the head coaching slots have begun to fill. I'm worried about Detroit since that would be home for him. But - like in Jerry McGuire (hate it) - show him the money!
 
aj. said:
I've had my eye on Bates since Miami and he was one of the top three on my list for the DC job along with Gray and Marinelli.

Bates is in high demand and I've had my fingers crossed ever since some of the head coaching slots have begun to fill.
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could it be that the Texans are able to turn this train wreck around over night? and if so is this a direct reflection on Capers and his coaching staff last season?
 
Bates is a great hire if true. He took GBs defense that was very bad and talent limited (sound familiar) and turned it inot a pretty solid group in short time. Bodes well I would think.
 
beerlover said:
could it be that the Texans are able to turn this train wreck around over night? and if so is this a direct reflection on Capers and his coaching staff last season?
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Possibly and very MUCH yes. I would be hard pressed to find a more disfunctional and incompetent group of coaches ever in the NFL.
 
beerlover said:
could it be that the Texans are able to turn this train wreck around over night? and if so is this a direct reflection on Capers and his coaching staff last season?
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Bates turned around a packers defense that had been pretty bad for a few years in one year. Did not look like they had massive player turnover either. Miami had been a good defense during his time there also.
 
I don't know anything about Bates, but the opinions in this thread from those who know something about him are unanimous on the idea of hiring him, so that sounds real good to me !
My only comment would be is that there is apparently an going and continuous conversation between the Texans and Kubiak and in this
situation with the Packers DC prospect there is almost surely a 3 way conversation. And I appreciate the Texans agressiveness in what is a very competitive market for coaches, but hope we don't get into hot water with the league in our dealings with Kubiak while his current team is in playoff mode.
 
Bates sounds damn good...hopefully that happens. OC though...well, since Kubiak will be calling the plays, they could get me to be the OC, doesn't matter. (We'd win Super Bowls if I was OC :drool: )
 
As I understand it, someone from the Texans organization would have to make a public comment about Kubiak being the coach before Denver could file a complaint for tampering. Seems like they're wishing the best for him, though.
 
beerlover said:
could it be that the Texans are able to turn this train wreck around over night? and if so is this a direct reflection on Capers and his coaching staff last season?
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And if it's NOT "turned around over night" what is that a reflection of? Just curious.
 
If you go back and look at what Bates did in Miami, the Dolphins were able to have success with lighter, quicker DEs like Taylor, Armstrong, & Ogunleye. He also got production out of Greenwood. And I believe the Dolphins usually played Manning & the Colts tough during Bates time in Miami. Lots of pluses there.

As far as "forcing a system on players" at the college level, I think they have to considering the fluidity of the rosters. Syracuse really hasn't had the chance to recruit players to their system. A talent like a Vince Young may cause a coach to junk an offense, but it's usually the teams that have a good system in place that have success year in, year out. I think Kubiak will install his system, as well. Just because a coach runs his system, doesn't mean it must be as constricting as the Texans have had the past 4 seasons.
 
It doesn't say what position Pariani would have if he came to Houston though. I don't know if he would become the OC. He coached tight ends before, maybe he'll coach them again? Maybe some other position?
 
This was a quote from Kubes about Pariani maybe he will be the OC.

?Brian has been an integral part of what we have done on offense for 10 years,? said Denver Broncos offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak. ?He one of the hardest working coaches I have ever worked with. He understands the game and how to teach it. It will be hard for us to lose him. He is a better person than he is a coach. One of his biggest strengths is dealing with people and teaching. I always thought he had the capability to be a coordinator in the NFL. This was an opportunity he really wanted.?
 
jayj0225 said:
This was a quote from Kubes about Pariani maybe he will be the OC.

?Brian has been an integral part of what we have done on offense for 10 years,? said Denver Broncos offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak. ?He one of the hardest working coaches I have ever worked with. He understands the game and how to teach it. It will be hard for us to lose him. He is a better person than he is a coach. One of his biggest strengths is dealing with people and teaching. I always thought he had the capability to be a coordinator in the NFL. This was an opportunity he really wanted.?
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sounds about the exact opposite from Pendry..

:yahoo:
 
As for the other former Texans coaches, Dom Capers interviewed with the Bills on Friday to fill their head coaching vacancy. Vic Fangio interviewed with the Packers for their defensive coordinator position on Thursday. Speculation also suggests that fired offensive coordinator Chris Palmer might garner some interest in reuniting with Bill Parcells in Dallas.
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http://www.houstonprofootball.com/

Fangio in GB :heh:

anuary 21, 2006
Who Sticks on Kubiak's Staff?
Capers Interviews w/ Bills

With the Texans' probable head coaching hire of Gary Kubiak on hold until the Broncos' season ends, the idle speculation now turns to the men Kubiak will select to fill his coaching staff. The speculation suggests that of the Texans' prior staff, only a couple guys, if any, will be retained.

Headlining that list of possible returnees is likely to be wide receivers coach Kippy Brown, who interviewed for the Texans head coaching position two weeks ago. Brown's resume includes time spent as the Dolphins offensive coordinator under Jimmy Johnson and head coaching experience in the now-defunct XFL.

Brown, however, doesn't appear to be the most likely candidate to become Kubiak's new offensive coordinator. Rumor suggests that current Broncos offensive line coach Rick Dennison will be offered that opportunity. If that is the case, it will likely mean that Brown remains the receivers coach, but he might also be considered as the team's next running backs coach as well.

Another of the Texans' head coaching candidates may join Kubiak's staff as well. Jerry Gray, apparently out as the Bills defensive coordinator, has not been asked to interview in Buffalo for their now-vacant head coaching position. Gray, a one-time Oiler and former Longhorn, may welcome a return to Texas as Kubiak's defensive coordinator.

Special teams coordinator Joe Marciano and defensive backs coach Jon Hoke are the next two members of the outgoing staff that are possibilities to remain once Kubiak arrives. Marciano's resume include helping a rookie fourth rounder, Jerome Mathis, earn both Pro Bowl and All-Pro designations this season. Hoke, who has been rumored for a number of college jobs in recent years, helped cornerback Dunta Robinson garner some defensive rookie of the year consideration in 2004
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I didn't know too much about either one of these guys, but the more I hear about Bates the more I like. I was hoping for J Gray, but Bates sounds promising. I still think OC is a big question mark, first I heard tons of names being thrown around. So if Kubiak is big on Pariana then maybe he knows something we don't, and he has the endorsment of Shanon Sharpe, could be just crazy enough to work, :) Hope Coach Joe is really coming back and Hoke too. I can't wait until this is more concrete, sorry if that means Denver has to lose.

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bates would be a great pick up...we're gonna need a Defensive coordinator who can just take control of the defense like greg williams at washington...so i think the d. coord. job is up in the air between jerry grey and jim bates...bates has more experince but grey would be great too...as far as the offensive coordinator i've heard he is probably bringing over denver's offensive line coach to be the o. coordinator
 
Ya know who I wonder about?

Mooch.

He got a raw deal in Detroit. Im surprised that he has apparently had NO interest this offseason. Makes me wonder if we have him on our staff already :P. But im suspicious of all the coaches that have fallen off the radar.
 
Grid said:
Ya know who I wonder about?

Mooch.

He got a raw deal in Detroit. Im surprised that he has apparently had NO interest this offseason. Makes me wonder if we have him on our staff already :P. But im suspicious of all the coaches that have fallen off the radar.
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Grid the only thing is, I wouldn't want to many people on the staff that just had previous Head Coaching experience. Especially with a brand new Head Coach with zero Head coaching expiernce.
 
yah Mooch is gonna be an OC or HC somewhere. I just wonder if he is gonna be OC here. I doubt it but ya never know.. i just wonder why there hasnt been a peep about him. Maybe he isnt looking for a job this season.
 
GO STEELERS!!!!! :yahoo: We need a coaching staff.:)

I wouldn't be mad if the Broncos ended up winning. Just means we've gotta wait about 2 more weeks. Patience is a virtue.
 
Grid said:
yah Mooch is gonna be an OC or HC somewhere. I just wonder if he is gonna be OC here. I doubt it but ya never know.. i just wonder why there hasnt been a peep about him. Maybe he isnt looking for a job this season.
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I think he has publicly said he wants to take this season off.
 
For the visual learners....

Jim Bates
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Brian Pariani
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Grid said:
yah Mooch is gonna be an OC or HC somewhere. I just wonder if he is gonna be OC here. I doubt it but ya never know.. i just wonder why there hasnt been a peep about him. Maybe he isnt looking for a job this season.
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My take, and it is completely unfounded, is that he will only go to the job that is right for he and his family from a work life balance standpoint. If he does not find the ideal job you can bet he will step outside of coaching for a awhile and into color commentary.
 
yeah i agree with ya Kaiser. I look for him to sit this year out regardless, and see him on whatever color commentary job he wants. The guy's settlement from the Lions was nice so he should be fine.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
My take, and it is completely unfounded, is that he will only go to the job that is right for he and his family from a work life balance standpoint. If he does not find the ideal job you can bet he will step outside of coaching for a awhile and into color commentary.
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I wouldnt blame him after the fiasco in Detroit.
 
If we could add another coach, I would like add Jim Zorn, the SEA QB coach. What he's done with Hassleback is awesome. Make him the OC and to work directly with Carr. I think the combination of Zorn and Kubiak would be darn sweet.
 
bigTEXan8 said:
If we could add another coach, I would like add Jim Zorn, the SEA QB coach. What he's done with Hassleback is awesome. Make him the OC and to work directly with Carr. I think the combination of Zorn and Kubiak would be darn sweet.
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Is this because of the ESPN segment of Zorn working with Hasselbeck? The one that aired before you posted?:superman:
 
LCROD said:
Is this because of the ESPN segment of Zorn working with Hasselbeck? The one that aired before you posted?:superman:
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Yeah...but I knew he was a good QB coach before. I remember people wanting to ride Hasslebeck out of Sea-town back when Dilfer first went there. What Zorn has does with Hasslebeck is pretty remarkable. JMO>
 
Texans Pride said:
Has anyone heard more on Bates situation???

I'M READY FOR SOME HIRING!
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I haven't, but I'm with you! I am ready for more solid information instead of all the speculation! :yahoo:
 
I'm all for Bates as DC and I would like to see Mike Sherman come in as the OC. He and Kubiak have coached together and are friends. He's had success at multiple level in the pros and was fired because the new GM wanted his own guy. Obviously the 2 have worked together and had success together. I think with those 3 coming in along with 4 picks in the first 3 rounds this team could make some great headway.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
Bates turned around a packers defense that had been pretty bad for a few years in one year. Did not look like they had massive player turnover either. Miami had been a good defense during his time there also.
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Contraire their AT...GB had a very good defense before Bates, Ed Donatell, Ed ended up being a scape goat for McNabb completing a 4th and 20 that cost GB the NFC chamionship game. Actually the GB defense has declined under Bates. Under Donatell GB was one of the leagues best and led the league in turnovers.
 
Lots of speculation, don't count out Dennison. Parini could join Gary and Rick.
All disicples of Alex Gibbs and zone blocking who is now with Atlanta. Atlanta was #1 rushing team by 9 yds over Denver.
 
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