Sorry, I'd rather have Nambi. He is proven to be a freakin stud, Mays and Berry haven't done it yet. Don't get me wrong, I like Berry and Mays, but he's a little better.
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Aso might be on the trading block...
- Thread starter Kulluminatii
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Sorry, I'd rather have Nambi. He is proven to be a freakin stud, Mays and Berry haven't done it yet. Don't get me wrong, I like Berry and Mays, but he's a little better.
Kulluminatii
Veteran
badboy
Hall of Fame
Pretty stupid. I'm blushing. Had to read it twice to see Cleveland. Seriously, though it seems as if you are saying Davis wants to improve with veterans rather than picks which have not been very successful in his past. I'd rather keep our draft picks as we select pretty well. If this deal was to be made, I agree that DR would have to go. Could he be convinced that Davis would give him the long time deal that he seeks? He knows Davis stepped up and offered a very high contract to ASO. DR is not as good but could he get a proportional deal?Now the Raiders are being mistaken for the Browns?!?!
Raiders get:
A) Dunta Robinson gives Oakland a motivated starting CB who has played better every game. Cheaper than ASO & one year younger.
B) Amobi Okoye D.T. replaces Gerard Warren 31yoa. The Raider back up is rookie Desmont Bryant who has looked lost so far this season.
C) Conner Barwin DE/LB same role as Texans
With first pick Raiders select Suh and now have a defense.
Houston gets:
A) Asomugha best CB in NFL 28 yoa 6'2" 210 especially if he re-does deal.
B) Gerard Warren DT/NT 6'4" 330 31 yoa but can anchor line for two years & more importantly stops the run.
Texans keep all draft picks & can disregard DT and CB for two years unless Quinn regresses. Reeves, ASO & Quinn. Losing Barwin will irritate some but you have to give up something.
I would do this deal in a heartbeat. ASO is the best CB in the NFL right now.
It would hurt to give up Barwin but I would do it
Next years draft is deep at the DE position. I would sign a DT in FA and draft the best DE I could get my hands on in the 1st or 2nd rds.
This trade would allow Smithiak to use a high pick on a S that everybody has been clamoring for.
The defense would be complete. The rest of the draft rds. 3-7 could be used to fortify the OL and RB that everybody wants.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Yeah, I think you make a good point. That's the one thing about trading a first round pick. You have the ability to know if the guy is worth what you're trading for which is that number one pick vs a stud that has never played in the NFL and proven anything. If you can get a for sure stud like Nambi, and it's at a position of need, then it's almost a no brainer as long as he's fairly young and you can afford the contract. There are so many first round busts at every position when you think about it. Nambi would easily be worth a first rounder on any team that needs a shut down corner.
Somehow I think Asomugha is on the "young & talented" list.
While I'd LOVE to have him here, I just don't think Asomugha is on the "available" list. If he is, the line to snag him would be around the block. We'd have to outbid everybody to get him.
However, I would make a play for Richard Seymour. That's an instant upgrade to our run defense and adds Super Bowl experience/leadership to a team still trying to learn how to win. Maybe we give Al a 3rd and that 4th we got for Sage. If Al's really cleaning house, maybe we get away with just a 3rd.
I like the Gerald Warren idea too. Anything that bolsters up our defensive line.
If he's cleaning house, I wonder if Michael Huff is on the "he can go too" list.
I would offer picks. I don't have the heart to exile anyone out to Oakland. ...not even Dunta has pissed me off that much.
While I'd LOVE to have him here, I just don't think Asomugha is on the "available" list. If he is, the line to snag him would be around the block. We'd have to outbid everybody to get him.
However, I would make a play for Richard Seymour. That's an instant upgrade to our run defense and adds Super Bowl experience/leadership to a team still trying to learn how to win. Maybe we give Al a 3rd and that 4th we got for Sage. If Al's really cleaning house, maybe we get away with just a 3rd.
I like the Gerald Warren idea too. Anything that bolsters up our defensive line.
If he's cleaning house, I wonder if Michael Huff is on the "he can go too" list.
I would offer picks. I don't have the heart to exile anyone out to Oakland. ...not even Dunta has pissed me off that much.
Kulluminatii
Veteran
While picking up Seymour was great, I don't know what Al was thinking in trade a first rounder for him. No way he renews his contract in Oakland, so maybe Al has realized this and Seymour will be up for sale as well.
Can't believe I'm at the point where I want the good players on my team to be traded...I would never wish death on anyone...but dammit...Al is pushing it.
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http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/10/12/around-the-league-raiders-making-trade-calls/
Well...guess that puts the rumor to rest. No one would want Russell, and since Davis seems to have a hard-on for him, it was a given he wasn't going to be traded. I'm surprised though, only 5-6 players Davis wants to keep, I would guess Heyward-Bey and McFadden are the two others. Thats four players that won't be traded...I wonder who the other one(or two) is.
Can't believe I'm at the point where I want the good players on my team to be traded...I would never wish death on anyone...but dammit...Al is pushing it.
*EDIT*
http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/10/12/around-the-league-raiders-making-trade-calls/
Well...guess that puts the rumor to rest. No one would want Russell, and since Davis seems to have a hard-on for him, it was a given he wasn't going to be traded. I'm surprised though, only 5-6 players Davis wants to keep, I would guess Heyward-Bey and McFadden are the two others. Thats four players that won't be traded...I wonder who the other one(or two) is.
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Kulluminatii
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I would guess him having a league-worst 42% completion won't help matters much either 
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I would guess him having a league-worst 42% completion won't help matters much either
Crazy considering the Raiders franchise holds the 2 game scoring record of 95 total points.
Kulluminatii
Veteran
The Raiders franchise was great. Keyword being was 
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badboy
Hall of Fame
Why would you want a 30 yoa DE rather than Smith? Seymour has 2 sacks but Smith has played very well last 2 games and his spat with Kollar seems to be over. I am not sure I agree that Seymour is your run stopper either. We used the 4th from Sage already.Somehow I think Asomugha is on the "young & talented" list.
While I'd LOVE to have him here, I just don't think Asomugha is on the "available" list. If he is, the line to snag him would be around the block. We'd have to outbid everybody to get him.
However, I would make a play for Richard Seymour. That's an instant upgrade to our run defense and adds Super Bowl experience/leadership to a team still trying to learn how to win. Maybe we give Al a 3rd and that 4th we got for Sage. If Al's really cleaning house, maybe we get away with just a 3rd.
I like the Gerald Warren idea too. Anything that bolsters up our defensive line.
If he's cleaning house, I wonder if Michael Huff is on the "he can go too" list.
I would offer picks. I don't have the heart to exile anyone out to Oakland. ...not even Dunta has pissed me off that much.
Ranger Tom
All Pro
Ever since the Raiders game I've been wondering if we could pick up Asomugha. Maybe the defense can improve without him. I'm not sure why the Raiders want to hold on to Russell, but it won't take a whole lot of effort to do so.
badboy
Hall of Fame
If we had ASO, Reeves, Smith, Gerrard Warren/Okam, Cody/DelJuan, Mario + our LBs we would make a huge difference.
Where would we go with 1st round of draft? IMO, we'd be drafting much lower than #14 where I have Texans projected. I could trade up for Mays but that would cost a bunch & I'd rule that out. My need for a defensive pick in first is pretty low with above lineup. WIth SLaton, I don't see a first being used on Spiller a similar back who would not be there later in first. I really like Tony Gerhart and have him on my board in 2nd where I think Texans will be drafting if team stays as is. He might not be available later in 2nd so I might consider projecting him to a late first round as he appears to be the real deal or at least from what I seen this early in season.
We really need an OG and with a late 1st if we do trade, is Mike Iupati a choice? LINK 09/29/09 - 9/29/09 NFL DRAFT SCOUT RISER: Mike Iupati, OG, Idaho: After watching the top five senior offensive guards on Saturday afternoon, it was obvious who scouts would consider the best prospect. Iupati was playing against an undersized Northern Illinois defense, but his size (6-6, 335) and nimble feet were impressive. He's also improved his ability to hit his target and sustain at the second level, in addition to his effectiveness as a drive blocker and pass protector. If heavy-footed interior linemen like Ryan Cook and Toniu Fonoti can be second round picks, Iupati's 5.2 40 could get him selected in the first. - Chad Reuter, The SportsXchange, NFLDraftScout.com
As I do not see my trade for ASO & Warren happening, I will stick with my #14 selection of
1) Mays FS 2)Gerhart PWR RB 3)Jerome Murphy CB/FS/KR 6'1" 185 4.48 4) Austin OG/C/T for my center 5)Olsen N.Dame for my LG.
At least it gives me something to think about other than being 2-4 after Bengals.
Kulluminatii
Veteran
Because Al Davis is stubborn. When we had Kiffin as our HC, he never wanted Russell...and Kiff was pretty much po'ed when Davis still drafted him.
When Davis decided to fire Kiff, and did his whole projection-thing (which still to this day, I feel embarrassed about)...one of the reasons he stated he fired Kiff was because he didn't believe in our "franchise QB".
Al would rather let this team sink and hit rock bottom than be proven wrong. Hell, he's doing it right now
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badboy
Hall of Fame
I thought Antonio Smith was given a pretty good FA offer. Boselli was a guy making pretty good LT bucks & he never played a down. DD was given a pretty good deal and did little if anything after being extended. David Carr is another example where McNair paid a huge price to get/keep a player. WHat about the contract for backup QB Dan O? He stepped for AJ and Chester Pitts.Did not Andre Davis get a pretty good deal recently? McNair is paying DR $10 million for one year and remains to be seen if Dunta will earn much of it. Cheap? I think you are wrong.