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Art Briles to Baylor: Official

threetoedpete said:
Baylor a dead end job ? Please ?
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I only state that threetoedpete for the following reason.

Baylor Head Coaches

Dave Roberts 1997-1998
Record 4-18

Kevin Steele 1999-2002
Record 9-36

Guy Morriss 2003-2007
Record 18-40

Overall Big 12 record during this time period 10-78
 
I think it's a good hire for Baylor. I think Kansas has proved that a Big 12 program can be turned around with the right coach.

I hope UH doesn't have knee jerk hire, just because of recruiting season. And I hope they do look at minority candidates. For all of Art Briles' strong points, he didn't do a great job of recruiting inner city Houston. Maybe a minority head coach could turn that around. I'd certainly give Florida defensive coordinator Charlie Strong a call.
 
Lucky said:
I think it's a good hire for Baylor. I think Kansas has proved that a Big 12 program can be turned around with the right coach.

I hope UH doesn't have knee jerk hire, just because of recruiting season. And I hope they do look at minority candidates. For all of Art Briles' strong points, he didn't do a great job of recruiting inner city Houston. Maybe a minority head coach could turn that around. I'd certainly give Florida defensive coordinator Charlie Strong a call.
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Mike Locksley, the OC for Illinois has been mentioned.

Other names that are cropping up in the rumor mills, June Jones, Major Applewhite and the OC from Okie State. Larry Fedora.
 
Hottoddie said:
When did contracts become nothing more than a piece of paper? Unless I'm totally confused, contracts are still considered a binding agreement on both parties. While I appreciate the stability that Briles has brought to the team, I've got to admit that this move is causing me to lose respect for the man.

Oh well, having said that, let's pony up the cash & sign R.C. Slocum like we should've done in the first place.
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Please, there isn't anybody here that wouldn't take $1.8M over $900K. I'm disappointed that he's leaving, but losing respect for him? I don't think so.
 
Speedy said:
Please, there isn't anybody here that wouldn't take $1.8M over $900K. I'm disappointed that he's leaving, but losing respect for him? I don't think so.
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QFT - he's getting money to set him for life, and he's getting to play with the big boys in the Big 12. I don't blame him.



No Major Applewhite, we'll lose him when Mack retires, along with all of our recruits.
 
Yankee_In_TX said:
QFT - he's getting money to set him for life, and he's getting to play with the big boys in the Big 12. I don't blame him.



No Major Applewhite, we'll lose him when Mack retires, along with all of our recruits.
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I told Diapher and CLTexan and Gary during the year that I thought either A&M or Nebraska could easily lure him away.
But Waco is closer to his hometown in Rule (Besides Lubbock - as he was also mentioned for the gig at TT.)
$1.8MM just seal the deal.
 
Speedy said:
Please, there isn't anybody here that wouldn't take $1.8M over $900K. I'm disappointed that he's leaving, but losing respect for him? I don't think so.
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So you believe that a signed legally binding contract means nothing in a court of law? I can guarantee you that if the U of H had decided to let him go for a higher profile coach, Briles would've held them to the letter of the law on that contract & made them pay him every penny of the agreement.

Now, while no university wants to keep a coach that doesn't want to be there, there should be some kind of compensation given. What really makes this stink to the high heavens is that he signed the new contract just last year.

Maybe keeping your word & honoring your agreements means nothing to you, but it tells me a lot about an individual's character. Thus, I've lost some respect for him.
 
Hottoddie said:
So you believe that a signed legally binding contract means nothing in a court of law? I can guarantee you that if the U of H had decided to let him go for a higher profile coach, Briles would've held them to the letter of the law on that contract & made them pay him every penny of the agreement.

Now, while no university wants to keep a coach that doesn't want to be there, there should be some kind of compensation given. What really makes this stink to the high heavens is that he signed the new contract just last year.

Maybe keeping your word & honoring your agreements means nothing to you, but it tells me a lot about an individual's character. Thus, I've lost some respect for him.
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If you don't want your coach to leave early, then put language in the contract to prevent it. They didn't so he is leaving, I don't blame him for doubling his salary and coaching on a bigger stage.
 
Art Briles is now the 15th highest paid college football coach in the country.
 
Hottoddie said:
So you believe that a signed legally binding contract means nothing in a court of law? I can guarantee you that if the U of H had decided to let him go for a higher profile coach, Briles would've held them to the letter of the law on that contract & made them pay him every penny of the agreement.

Now, while no university wants to keep a coach that doesn't want to be there, there should be some kind of compensation given. What really makes this stink to the high heavens is that he signed the new contract just last year.

Maybe keeping your word & honoring your agreements means nothing to you, but it tells me a lot about an individual's character. Thus, I've lost some respect for him.
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It's pretty much a standard contract.
Briles can leave under provision 6.4.2

http://www.coacheshotseat.com/HoustonCoachesHotSeat.pdf
 
Hottoddie said:
So you believe that a signed legally binding contract means nothing in a court of law? I can guarantee you that if the U of H had decided to let him go for a higher profile coach, Briles would've held them to the letter of the law on that contract & made them pay him every penny of the agreement.

Now, while no university wants to keep a coach that doesn't want to be there, there should be some kind of compensation given. What really makes this stink to the high heavens is that he signed the new contract just last year.

Maybe keeping your word & honoring your agreements means nothing to you, but it tells me a lot about an individual's character. Thus, I've lost some respect for him.
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There was a $300k buyout. More prestigious universities have multi-millions buyouts. I don't think anyone would coach U of H if they tried that.
 
Hottoddie said:
So you believe that a signed legally binding contract means nothing in a court of law? I can guarantee you that if the U of H had decided to let him go for a higher profile coach, Briles would've held them to the letter of the law on that contract & made them pay him every penny of the agreement.

Now, while no university wants to keep a coach that doesn't want to be there, there should be some kind of compensation given. What really makes this stink to the high heavens is that he signed the new contract just last year.

Maybe keeping your word & honoring your agreements means nothing to you, but it tells me a lot about an individual's character. Thus, I've lost some respect for him.
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Then you pretty much have no respect for any coach then? Because it's done all the time by anyone who wins at a lower school who then gets the offer from a bigger school.

Any coach that fills the jobs created the last week or so, will more than likely be a coach getting out of a contract where he is currently. A&M, Arkansas, Michigan and so on. If that's how you feel about Briles, then that has to be your attitude towards almost any coach. Correct?

And no, I didn't say that a contract didn't mean anything to me. But obviously there's a legal way out of those contracts or these coaches wouldn't be getting out of them every single season, some the very next day after signing an extension.
 
Well, I guess I must be old fashioned then. I believe that a man is only as good as his word. I don't fault the man for wanting more money, but if you sign the contract, at least to me, that's the same as giving your word.

I also have serious issues with pro players having a good year & demanding their contracts be reworked. Just once, I'd like to hear a player step up to take a pay cut after having a bad year. Same goes for coaches.

As for the $300K buyout clause, the U of H needs to rewrite it to say the coach has to serve at least half of it before buying out. Otherwise, they might as well start farming through the peewee leagues for coaches.

I don't watch too much college ball, but I do cheer on the local teams, especially the U of H & Rice. I'd like to see us get back to the days when the U of H was taken seriously by the powerhouse teams. If we can't compete financially for the best coaches in the country, then we'll never be any more than practice fodder for the real teams. :rant:
 
gwallaia said:
Art Briles is now the 15th highest paid college football coach in the country.
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Not to mention, Waco is a hop-skip and a jump away from Stephenville.

So, 1.8 million (or double current salary), Big XII (albeit at a dead-end job), AND super close to home?!?!? I cant say I blame the man!!!
 
gwallaia said:
You obviously have never been on the main campus of UH.

Sadly, for whatever reason, we do not have enough die-hard fans. Personally, I have been a season ticket holder since I graduated from UH in 1990 and have only missed a few home games in that time. But yes, attendance is terrible. I don't know what the solution is.
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To continue to win plain & simple. Yeah it's a commuter school, but football is king in texas especially in houston. You know how houston fans are. Being in a conference where all of your in-state rivals are would help as there are lots of transplant aggies & longhorns, horned frogs & red raiders here in houston. Students aren't the only ones who attend games, a vast majority of fans at college football games are alumni as well.
I just think that people undersell these 2 things way too often when they talk about our attendance & why we haven't been able to get back to how we were before the demise of the SWC. It's kind of hard for any teams fans to get up for games against the likes of central florida, memphis, tulsa & UTEP.... you don't have any real ties/history with them. Contrast this with the SEC where most of those teams have been playing against each other since god knows how long.
 
gwallaia said:
Art Briles is now the 15th highest paid college football coach in the country.
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Coach Briles has a history of being a highly paid football coach. He first caught my attention over 10 years ago when he was the highest paid high school head coach in Texas. Even though Stephenville was a 4A school, his salary was around a hundred grand then. I found it interesting that the HC salary has decreased about $25K since he left. My best wishes as he continues to grow in his coaching responsibilities and financially.
 
Hottoddie said:
Well, I guess I must be old fashioned then. I believe that a man is only as good as his word. I don't fault the man for wanting more money, but if you sign the contract, at least to me, that's the same as giving your word.

I also have serious issues with pro players having a good year & demanding their contracts be reworked. Just once, I'd like to hear a player step up to take a pay cut after having a bad year. Same goes for coaches.

As for the $300K buyout clause, the U of H needs to rewrite it to say the coach has to serve at least half of it before buying out. Otherwise, they might as well start farming through the peewee leagues for coaches.

I don't watch too much college ball, but I do cheer on the local teams, especially the U of H & Rice. I'd like to see us get back to the days when the U of H was taken seriously by the powerhouse teams. If we can't compete financially for the best coaches in the country, then we'll never be any more than practice fodder for the real teams. :rant:
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He is a man of his word though. If he left and refused to pay the buyout, then he wouldn't be. Basically the contract is saying that he will work there for x years and if he leaves early he will pay y dollars.
 
Hottoddie said:
As for the $300K buyout clause, the U of H needs to rewrite it to say the coach has to serve at least half of it before buying out. Otherwise, they might as well start farming through the peewee leagues for coaches.

I don't watch too much college ball, but I do cheer on the local teams, especially the U of H & Rice. I'd like to see us get back to the days when the U of H was taken seriously by the powerhouse teams. If we can't compete financially for the best coaches in the country, then we'll never be any more than practice fodder for the real teams. :rant:
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Have you ever worked with or for someone that doesn't want to be there for whatever reason? If so, then think of a team's morale and performance in having to work with someone that obviously being bound against his wishes.

I think that a buyout clause is good deal for both. If he under performs, then you don't need him to stick around, and if he is offered twice the salary that you can't or won't match, then the plan is a good option.
 
Hottoddie said:
As for the $300K buyout clause, the U of H needs to rewrite it to say the coach has to serve at least half of it before buying out. Otherwise, they might as well start farming through the peewee leagues for coaches.
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I understand how you feel, but if U of H wants to land decent coaches, their contracts can't be too restricting.
 
Yankee_In_TX said:
There was a $300k buyout. More prestigious universities have multi-millions buyouts. I don't think anyone would coach U of H if they tried that.
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That should just about cover the cost of the jet fuel used to fly around the country looking for a replacement.

I hate to see Briles leave, but I understand it.

I always cheer on the Coogs. Loved it when they joined the SWC.

Didn't they beat the Horns their first year in the SWC?..:D

:coffee:
 
Now might be the time to call Major Applewhite. Give him his 1st HC job. Then the question is do you stay an OC at Bama in the SEC or become the man in Conference USA at Houston?
 
painekiller said:
Now might be the time to call Major Applewhite. Give him his 1st HC job. Then the question is do you stay an OC at Bama in the SEC or become the man in Conference USA at Houston?
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That is a good question. Does he get his stepping stone HC job now, or does he stay as an OC with a big program biding his time.....? :hmmm:

I wouldn't mind him as the Coogs HC, and might even forgive him for being a 'sip.
 
The coaching ranks really is a funny thing. One of my best friends is in the profession. He played football with me in high school and is one of my best friends. He is a young Bill Walsh desciple. Played middle LB and was academic All-American at Stanford. Captain on their team. He coached as a grad asst under Walsh. Then he was one of the youngest LB coahces at Hawaii. Coached under Neuiheisal at Washington. Went back to Stanford under Buddy Teevins and was a D Coordinator in his young 30s. Was D Coordinator at San Jose State and now is asst special teams coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars. He is young, African-American, smart, as I said a Bill Walsh guy, and I'm still waiting for people to bring him on as a head coach. He had a shot at Stanford but they lost their Athletic Director. UT was going to hire him as their LB coach but they gave it to the UH guy who had UT connections. I love Applewhite but wonder how a few years as a coordinator all of a sudden makes him ready. It is just name recognition.
 
HoustonFrog said:
The coaching ranks really is a funny thing. One of my best friends is in the profession. He played football with me in high school and is one of my best friends. He is a young Bill Walsh desciple. Played middle LB and was academic All-American at Stanford. Captain on their team. He coached as a grad asst under Walsh. Then he was one of the youngest LB coahces at Hawaii. Coached under Neuiheisal at Washington. Went back to Stanford under Buddy Teevins and was a D Coordinator in his young 30s. Was D Coordinator at San Jose State and now is asst special teams coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars. He is young, African-American, smart, as I said a Bill Walsh guy, and I'm still waiting for people to bring him on as a head coach. He had a shot at Stanford but they lost their Athletic Director. UT was going to hire him as their LB coach but they gave it to the UH guy who had UT connections. I love Applewhite but wonder how a few years as a coordinator all of a suuden makes him ready. It is just name recognition.
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Mr. Maggard.... Paging Mr. Maggard..... Mr. Dave Maggard.......
 
gg no re said:
threetoedpete what duck from Oregon came out from under a rock and teabagged you today?

I think one of the great tragedies about UH is that everyone outside the state of Texas talk about how it's a pretty good university, yet the people who live closest to it are the ones who will most likely **** on it every chance they got, and that's a damn shame.
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Buy a friken ticket.
 
HoustonFrog said:
Here is his bio if anyone is interested. He is going to be a great hire for someone someday and is beyond a quality guy...not just because he is a close friend and let me live on his couch out in California for 3 months.

http://www.jaguars.com/team/Coach.aspx?id=2694
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Pretty impressive...

HOU-TEX said:
Obviously you've informed him of the UH situation, correct? Would he even consider UH? What did he say? Send that dadgum resume'. :)
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Exactly!! Send it already!!
 
HOU-TEX said:
Obviously you've informed him of the UH situation, correct? Would he even consider UH? What did he say? Send that dadgum resume'. :)
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I tried talking to him the other day but it is tough to get him late in game weeks. I e-mailed him too. I'm not even sure what he is looking for right now when it comes to that. He was trying to get one a few years back but he really seems to enjoy the pros now. All I know is that he is a quality young guy that should move up. Many of his jobs were blessed through Walsh so it has been a tough year with his passing. We will see.
 
HoustonFrog said:
I tried talking to him the other day but it is tough to get him late in game weeks. I e-mailed him too. I'm not even sure what he is looking for right now when it comes to that. He was trying to get one a few years back but he really seems to enjoy the pros now. All I know is that he is a quality young guy that should move up. Many of his jobs were blessed through Walsh so it has been a tough year with his passing. We will see.
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I'd think having a Walsh background would immensely increase his chances anywhere. :cool:
 
Apparently Maggard has already interviewed one candidate.

Those names on the rumor mill so far are

Tony Fittzpatrick -UH Assistant Coach and defensive line coach (I really like this guy)

Major Applewhite: Offensive Coordinator/Quarterback coach at Alabama (only 29 years old)

Joe DeForest: Associate Head Coach/Secondary/Special Teams Coordinator at Oklahoma State

Todd Dodge: Head Coach, North Texas

Mike Locksley - OC Illinois

Larry Fedora: Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks coach, Oklahoma State

Bobby Hauck: Head Coach, Montana

Michael Haywood: Offensive Coordinator/Runningbacks coach at Notre Dame

June Jones: Head coach, Hawaii (I've been told that it ain't happenin', that JJ's not interested)

Gus Malzahn: Assistant Head Coach and co-Offensive Coordinator, Tulsa

Kevin Sumlin: Offensive Coordinator Oklahoma

Some of the Cougar faithful are tossing around John Jenkins name around as OC, but I really do not see that happening.

I have highlighted the choices I like.
 
threetoedpete said:
Buy a friken ticket.
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And get off that porcupine, it doesn't make for a good seat cushion.

Also clear away the thumbtacks from your bedroom floor, it's never pleasant to step on them when you wake up.

When you shower, your options aren't limited to scalding hot or freezing cold.

When you turn on your radio, you don't have to listen to Soulja Boy cranking it, there's stations that play classic rock.

What I'm trying to say here is chillax, you're lashing out at UH for no reason. I mean seriously, those biannual rape comments were pretty extreme.
 
gwallaia said:
Apparently Maggard has already interviewed one candidate.

Those names on the rumor mill so far are

Tony Fittzpatrick -UH Assistant Coach and defensive line coach (I really like this guy)

Major Applewhite: Offensive Coordinator/Quarterback coach at Alabama (only 29 years old)

Joe DeForest: Associate Head Coach/Secondary/Special Teams Coordinator at Oklahoma State

Todd Dodge: Head Coach, North Texas

Mike Locksley - OC Illinois

Larry Fedora: Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks coach, Oklahoma State

Bobby Hauck: Head Coach, Montana

Michael Haywood: Offensive Coordinator/Runningbacks coach at Notre Dame

June Jones: Head coach, Hawaii (I've been told that it ain't happenin', that JJ's not interested)

Gus Malzahn: Assistant Head Coach and co-Offensive Coordinator, Tulsa

Kevin Sumlin: Offensive Coordinator Oklahoma

Some of the Cougar faithful are tossing around John Jenkins name around as OC, but I really do not see that happening.

I have highlighted the choices I like.
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I've heard alot of good things about Fedora and Malzahn. I wouldn't be upset with either one of them.

Kevin Sumlin??? Hadn't heard of that one.
 
gwallaia said:
Apparently Maggard has already interviewed one candidate.

Those names on the rumor mill so far are

Tony Fittzpatrick -UH Assistant Coach and defensive line coach (I really like this guy)

Major Applewhite: Offensive Coordinator/Quarterback coach at Alabama (only 29 years old)

Joe DeForest: Associate Head Coach/Secondary/Special Teams Coordinator at Oklahoma State

Todd Dodge: Head Coach, North Texas

Mike Locksley - OC Illinois

Larry Fedora: Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks coach, Oklahoma State

Bobby Hauck: Head Coach, Montana

Michael Haywood: Offensive Coordinator/Runningbacks coach at Notre Dame

June Jones: Head coach, Hawaii (I've been told that it ain't happenin', that JJ's not interested)

Gus Malzahn: Assistant Head Coach and co-Offensive Coordinator, Tulsa

Kevin Sumlin: Offensive Coordinator Oklahoma

Some of the Cougar faithful are tossing around John Jenkins name around as OC, but I really do not see that happening.

I have highlighted the choices I like.
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Fitzpatrick....? He's the pretty animated defensive coach - right??
 
Texan_Bill said:
Fitzpatrick....? He's the pretty animated defensive coach - right??
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Yeah, he was with Houston Sport Radio doing color for the Cougars' games for quite a while.
I think D-H has some issues with Tony.
He wasn't allowed to try out for the team some time ago.
 
The players apparently really like Coach Fittzpatrick and he was a big help in Briles recruiting over the years.
 
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