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I think the last two games showed a couple of things.

1) Carr, when he has line protection can do the job, but he probably is very nervious when not protected. He has to have a period of being sackless if he is going to regain trust and stand in there.

2) DD is important to us and we need him if we are going to win.

3) Mathis is an important cog even though he's a rookie.

4) The rookie center has become an important Cog in a very short time and the moving of McKinney from the center position has helped this team a lot.

5) When AJ is in the lineup we have a problem. Carr looks for AJ too much, but that could be the coaches. The end of game arguement might be a sign of that. AJ has dropped a numbe of balls lately and Gaffny seems to pout when AJ is in the lineup. As a QB I can't imagine how I would be confident throwing to AJ and Bradford.

In one of his last news conferences Capers was talking about how they needed to get the ball into the hands of Mathis. Ah, I think almost everyone on this board has been saying that before TC. This coaching staff has no idea what they have. Even though Bradford had a good game early, I still think he is a liability this team can not afford. He has killed more games than carter has liver pills. When the ball is put in the receivers hands, he has to catch it. In the NFL you just don't get that many opportunities and you must make the most of it when you are given an opportunity.

I stated early in the week any O-line injuries could hurt us badly, because of the number of people already out. Unfortunately we did get some inoportune injuries. However, I think we played harder and looked more composed as a whole. The defense and offense both need to pick up their games. The defense does not stop the other team when the offense gives them a lead. The Jaguars made a number of mistakes, but we simply couldn't take advantage of them.
 
Ibar you are right on. Even though I dont think AJ in the lineup is anything more than a plus. Does Carr need to look in other receivers direction more? yes. But Bradford did have 70+ yds and a TD, but should he be thrown at as many times as he was. No. Gaffney has proven himself as a quality possesion receiver with the ability to be a no. 2 receiver. Gaffney needs to make his breaks quicker that way he will be ok. Also you could not have said it better than how good Carr will be once his confidence is back. Nice post Ibar...
 
I have NO FREAKIN IDEA why people keep on saying how Carr keeps locking on to AJ. NOTHING SUPPORTS THIS! How many times did Carr connect with AJ early in the season? Not many times at all. If anything he always seems to spread the ball around quite a bit. Gaffney and Bradford definitely get their receptions on a consistent basis. So does Armstrong when the coaches are smart enough to put him in. And who did Carr throw to at the end of today's game? Bradford. I'm sorry guys but this "I only look for AJ" crap is a total myth.

Also, having AJ in there is a GOOD THING. :brickwall To say that his presence hinders the team is ridiculous. When healthy, he's probably out best guy on offense, and the ball should be coming his way a couple times a game at least. We need AJ in there desperately, and I don't want to know what the game would have looked like w/o the duo of DD and AJ in there.
 
Honch Delgado said:
"The two were separated by Texans vice president of communications Tony Wyllie."

Are we the most image concerned team in the NFL or what?
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therein lies our problem...if G-funk cant even break through the line of a communications vice president to get to OUR qb, is it really any wonder that he cant get to the opposing qb?
 
Coach C. said:
Ibar you are right on. Even though I dont think AJ in the lineup is anything more than a plus. Does Carr need to look in other receivers direction more? yes. But Bradford did have 70+ yds and a TD, but should he be thrown at as many times as he was. No. Gaffney has proven himself as a quality possesion receiver with the ability to be a no. 2 receiver. Gaffney needs to make his breaks quicker that way he will be ok. Also you could not have said it better than how good Carr will be once his confidence is back. Nice post Ibar...
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Thanks for your approval Coach C. You are the ultimate authority on football. Once again I don't know how we got along on this bb without you.
 
you people are jumping the gun with the "screw gary walker" comments.

they said on FSW that Carr was yelling at Pendry and Walker jumped Carr for it.

Hopefully we will get a clearer picture of what happened tommorrow.. but if THAT is the case, then I dont blame Walker. (I dont blame walker anyway)
 
Grid said:
you people are jumping the gun with the "screw gary walker" comments.

they said on FSW that Carr was yelling at Pendry and Walker jumped Carr for it.

Hopefully we will get a clearer picture of what happened tommorrow.. but if THAT is the case, then I dont blame Walker. (I dont blame walker anyway)
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If I am not mistaken, since Payne and Walker have been stepping up on and off the field with stern leadership this team has perfomed its best the last two weeks.

I honestly do not understand why we are stuck on one pass for the outcome of the game. Anyone who has played sports at a high level knows that one play does not make a game. It was a well thrown ball into double coverage and a suspect WR dropped it. Those unfortunately are the breaks.

However, when we break down individuals per play I am ecstatic DC stepped outside of his realm and a took a chance. But that he decided to take a chance like that given the time, score and situation it is still indicative that he has not matured as a game manager. Normally I would be sympathetic and say he is young and needs exeperience, but that is not the case with 50+ starts. David has the physical attributes, he just lacks the intangibles to the nth degree.

With that all said I would like to see him signed back at a lower cost and bench him for the remainder of the year. We do not need him out there getting hurt and he may learn some of the finer points of the game by watching from the sidelines. No sarcasm and no hating here, just the straight poop.
 
Wow, 6 pages on this? So I read the 1st then jumped to the last to see if someone else noted what happened.

Carr said this morning on 610 (if I recall correctly) that it was just a heated discussion as Walker really wanted the win against his former team as did Carr (apparently hates the jags) and it was just how Gary "talks" - it was no big deal, just that they really wanted this win and thought they had it. He never mentioned what was actually said though.
 
A4toZ said:
Wow, 6 pages on this? So I read the 1st then jumped to the last to see if someone else noted what happened.

Carr said this morning on 610 (if I recall correctly) that it was just a heated discussion as Walker really wanted the win against his former team as did Carr (apparently hates the jags) and it was just how Gary "talks" - it was no big deal, just that they really wanted this win and thought they had it. He never mentioned what was actually said though.
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You really think that Carr was gonna air it out publicly, on the radio?
 
Nope, and I'm glad he didn't. Actually, pretty hard nosed interview this morning as he was also asked about Bradford and the missed catch - noted that Bradford was playing really well all game and that he was one on one when it was thrown and that he (Carr) will continue to go to him in the future.

Tangent, since I'm on the interview - asked what happened with the AJ overthrow if it was a miscommunication or busted route. Carr noted that it was an crossing play that left the Jags running into each other and AJ open, that he just thinks AJ either didn't see the football or thought Carr already threw it.

All in all - pretty good interview (I may have missed a bit), but he gave the answers in a "p.c." way and didn't really dodge the questions.
 
Texan281 said:
A good pass... INTO DOUBLE COVERAGE. Dre was running to the left across the middle, and was WIDE open. Carr, stats-wise, had a mediocre game, but this offense has been dumbed down so much... it's not even funny. Not ONCE did I see Carr look for any other receivers.
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Both DB's were 2 steps behind Bradford you have to make that throw. What throw would Peyton and Brady have made? The same throw in the same spot period. That was a safe throw and he had everything you want and the bum dropped it. I hope in the future he makes the same decision again cause it was the right one.
 
BigBull17 said:
Both DB's were 2 steps behind Bradford you have to make that throw. What throw would Peyton and Brady have made? The same throw in the same spot period. That was a safe throw and he had everything you want and the bum dropped it. I hope in the future he makes the same decision again cause it was the right one.
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Your take is valid except for the mention of Payton and Brady. Comparing a three time Super Bowl champ and League MYP to our QB is way off.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Your take is valid except for the mention of Payton and Brady. Comparing a three time Super Bowl champ and League MYP to our QB is way off.
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For goodness sake people, stop with the inane misunderstanding of comparisons. It is perfectly normal when talking about the QB judgment on a play to compare it to indisputably good QB judgment people, like the current top 2 QB's. It is only a comparison for that one freakin' decision on that one play, not a statement of equality in all ways. AAAAGH.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Your take is valid except for the mention of Payton and Brady. Comparing a three time Super Bowl champ and League MYP to our QB is way off.
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He was pointing out that any good QB would make that throw, it was a good decision and a great throw, just a missed catch. Winning QBs take those chances and look for the big play, and winning teams convert on those plays which we didn't. After being hampered so much of the year by having to run nothing but short routes I am glad Carr take that chance regardless of the receiver down there, and he made a perfect throw on it too.
 
infantrycak said:
For goodness sake people, stop with the inane misunderstanding of comparisons. It is perfectly normal when talking about the QB judgment on a play to compare it to indisputably good QB judgment people, like the current top 2 QB's. It is only a comparison for that one freakin' decision on that one play, not a statement of equality in all ways. AAAAGH.
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If you directed this to me I believe you are off, on my opinion. My take has been that DC is not cerebral and does not understand time score and situation. The reason why Manning and Brady are so good is because they understand those variables. They would have hit their number one target on 4th and long to give themselves at least four more plays for the tie.

I belive my posts have been consistent on this.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
If you directed this to me I believe you are off, on my opinion. My take has been that DC is not cerebral and does not understand time score and situation. The reason why Manning and Brady are so good is because they understand those variables. They would have hit their number one target on 4th and long to give themselves at least four more plays for the tie.

I belive my posts have been consistent on this.
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Yes I was directing it at you as an example of what I was talking about. BigBull mentioned Manning and Brady in relation to decision making on one particular play and that they would have made the same decision as Carr in that situation. Your take that Manning and Brady shouldn't be discussed in relation to Carr and your demonstration above once again of not separating out a general overall comparison and a play specific or individual decision specific comparison is what I find off base. BigBull didn't say Carr's decision making is just as good as Manning's generally--just that it was the same on one play. People really need to learn to see the difference.
 
Caddy and InfantryCak ... you guys have a lot of nerve injecting logic and common sense into this perfectly good (and entertaining) discussion .... ok BigBull and Kaiser, what were you saying again?
 
swtbound07 said:
therein lies our problem...if G-funk cant even break through the line of a communications vice president to get to OUR qb, is it really any wonder that he cant get to the opposing qb?
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More importantly, can the dude play left tackle?

Seriously, though, it's reasonable to question whether Carr is The Answer because he hasn't done anything. But Banks, are you fricking kidding me? If his play on the field isn't enough, then his frigid reception by the other teams during free-agency (both times) should tell you how well he's regarded around the league.
 
infantrycak said:
Yes I was directing it at you as an example of what I was talking about. BigBull mentioned Manning and Brady in relation to decision making on one particular play and that they would have made the same decision as Carr in that situation. Your take that Manning and Brady shouldn't be discussed in relation to Carr and your demonstration above once again of not separating out a general overall comparison and a play specific or individual decision specific comparison is what I find off base. BigBull didn't say Carr's decision making is just as good as Manning's generally--just that it was the same on one play. People really need to learn to see the difference.
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Please stop interpreting my takes with your percieved omniscient viewpoint because I agree with you on how to compare. Please re read my post. I believe Manning would have hit Harrison or Wayne on 4th and long rather than Stokley in double coverage down the line.

The poster says that Bray and Manning would have doen the same thing on that play. I say they would not have on the same play. Are we that far off, from a comparative basis, on how we believe each QB would have acted on the play in this hypothetical?
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Please stop interpreting my takes with your percieved omniscient viewpoint because I agree with you on how to compare. Please re read my post. I believe Manning would have hit Harrison or Wayne on 4th and long rather than Stokley in double coverage down the line.

The poster says that Bray and Manning would have doen the same thing on that play. I say they would not have on the same play. Are we that far off, from a comparative basis, on how we believe each QB would have acted on the play in this hypothetical?
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OK, well if that was what this:

Your take is valid except for the mention of Payton and Brady. Comparing a three time Super Bowl champ and League MYP to our QB is way off.
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was supposed to say then I didn't get it. That looks like what I was using as an example. But if all you were doing is saying they would have hit AJ, ok, but it wasn't real clear, at least to me that you were refering only to the single play being discussed.
 
infantrycak said:
OK, well if that was what this:



was supposed to say then I didn't get it. That looks like what I was using as an example. But if all you were doing is saying they would have hit AJ, ok, but it wasn't real clear, at least to me that you were refering only to the single play being discussed.
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Cool. Upon inspection of my original post I left myself exposed, but the follow up posts did mention the play.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
If you directed this to me I believe you are off, on my opinion. My take has been that DC is not cerebral and does not understand time score and situation. The reason why Manning and Brady are so good is because they understand those variables. They would have hit their number one target on 4th and long to give themselves at least four more plays for the tie.

I belive my posts have been consistent on this.
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There wasn't time enough (or timeouts) enough for 4 more plays. There were 54 seconds and no timeouts left on the clock from the Jacksonville 42. Carr had completed two passes to Bradford on the right sideline earlier in the same series (though one was nullified by a false start). With the Bradford toss, he was behind the coverage and streaking down the sideline. AJ, while deep enough for the first down, was just passing behind the official when Carr felt the need to unload it. You've also got to remember that a FG in this situation wouldn't be enough, you HAD to have a TD!

IMHO - Brady & Manning would've made the same throw Carr did...though THEIR receivers might've caught it.
 
disaacks3 said:
IMHO - Brady & Manning would've made the same throw Carr did...though THEIR receivers might've caught it.
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No they wouldn't have...because their coaches are smart enough to not start Corey Bradford.:confused: I though he should have made the safer pass on 4th down myself...but won't argue the point here since I've already done it.
 
:brickwall I don't mind going deep . We've won one game why not chance it . Bradford could have come up with a play ...and made the rest of the season more interesting but when it rains it pours .

If Bradford does catch the ball and we score , we are down by one ... do you kick an extra point or go for two . If we go for a win and don't make it then is it ok because we're being aggressive . Its the same thing ... 1 play .
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Please stop interpreting my takes with your percieved omniscient viewpoint because I agree with you on how to compare. Please re read my post. I believe Manning would have hit Harrison or Wayne on 4th and long rather than Stokley in double coverage down the line.

The poster says that Bray and Manning would have doen the same thing on that play. I say they would not have on the same play. Are we that far off, from a comparative basis, on how we believe each QB would have acted on the play in this hypothetical?
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So you think if Stokly had 2 steps on the DB and safty help was late he would not go for the throat? If its tied I could agree but when he needs a TD to tie and his man makes a play he will slash your throat. You dont become an elite QB by ***** footing and being afraid to make the throw with the game on the line. And befor you jump me im not calling Carr an elite QB. Im just saying that in a similar circumstance Manning and Brady would go for the jugular. In the NFL you play to win you dont play not to lose, and Carr showed that he wants to be a winner. If he had hit AJ you would have *****ed and moaned about him not being a clutch playmaker and that we needed a guy who will take chances.

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I had this in the gamethread but I'll put it down here for the heck of it. That was a great decision and great pass on a first, second, or third down...but not on fourth with the game over if you miss out on a low % sideline lob pass. That just killed the game in one go-for-it-all gamble. Carr also missed a wide open AJ for a TD or at least a huge catch and run a couple of plays earlier that would have either tied the game then or we would have been within a short pass to get in the end zone....Carr just didn't get it done...Nobody was near aj. Great players make great plays....Carr made a great throw to Bradford....but it was Corey Freaking Bradford on 4th down on an all or nothing gamble. It's worth debating. I just wish people on the extremes would debate it properly.
 
disaacks3 said:
There wasn't time enough (or timeouts) enough for 4 more plays. There were 54 seconds and no timeouts left on the clock from the Jacksonville 42. Carr had completed two passes to Bradford on the right sideline earlier in the same series (though one was nullified by a false start). With the Bradford toss, he was behind the coverage and streaking down the sideline. AJ, while deep enough for the first down, was just passing behind the official when Carr felt the need to unload it. You've also got to remember that a FG in this situation wouldn't be enough, you HAD to have a TD!

IMHO - Brady & Manning would've made the same throw Carr did...though THEIR receivers might've caught it.
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This is where we disagree. I just do not think on that play alone, Brady or Manning would have trusted their most challenged reciever on the field (for the day he was good) on a 4th and 9 situation in double coverage going long.

Carr sympathizers have continously bashed our Oline and WR's. This one was on Carr in my judgment because he knew who he was throwing to. AJ would have caught the ball on the 30 and would have had running room and could have got out of bounds. We could have been looking at 1st and 10 at the 20 with 40 seconds left.

I know there a lot of coulda woulda shouldas, but hey it is what it is we are 1-7.
 
disaacks3 said:
IMHO - Brady & Manning would've made the same throw Carr did...though THEIR receivers might've caught it.
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IMO Manning would have gone for the deep throw, Brady about 50/50% which he takes--he likes to hit short passes with the WR running and see what happens.

My take on the the last play is there are good reasons for taking either option and QB's, elite and otherwise, would have split over the decision which basically means neither option is bone-headed and the play is not a glaring example of Carr making a bad decision as asserted by some. It is a classic example of the Texans' season--all it takes is one player not getting it done 4-6 times per game and you go from a 7-9 or even 9-7 team to being a 1-7 team.

As for Walker yelling at Carr--I am glad to see Walker back to form and excited but if he wants to inspire, lead, criticize someone it should be on the D side of the ball. He attacked the O last year and Carr yesterday--that would be fine if the Texans had a top 10 D but they don't. Walker should be in Greenwood's grill and after Peek, Babin, Orr and Coleman (there is someone who deserves a yelling). Once he inspires the D he can go work on the O.
 
Vinny said:
I had this in the gamethread but I'll put it down here for the heck of it. That was a great decision and great pass on a first, second, or third down...but not on fourth with the game over if you miss out on a low % sideline lob pass. That just killed the game in one go-for-it-all gamble. Carr also missed a wide open AJ for a TD or at least a huge catch and run a couple of plays earlier that would have either tied the game then or we would have been within a short pass to get in the end zone....Carr just did't get it done...Nobody was near aj. Great players make great plays....Carr made a great throw to Bradford....but it was Corey Freaking Bradford on 4th down on an all or nothing gamble. It's worth debating. I just wish people on the extremes would debate it properly.
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I understand that throwing to Bradford was questionable in that situation, but still if a QB sees a guy break open on that route, especially with the game Bradford was having up to that point, you have to throw that pass. If he was incapable of getting the ball there or whatever then that is one thing, but he dropped the ball in perfectly and in stride, so I applaud his decision and his throw on that play. DC saw his chance to change the game in that one play and he took it, who knows how a throw at AJ would have gone, I'll have to check game tape on that later this week to see how open he was, but Carr saw a chance to make a bigger play and he went for it, gave the best throw you could ask for, and Bradford couldn't come up with it. Look at the Chiefs/Raiders game yesterday. Vermeil went for the game-winning TD on that last play rather than the safe FG and overtime. He is developing a winners mentality in Kansas City and it paid off for them yesterday. Carr is the same way and was trying to make the big play and it didn't work out. That's been the difference between 1-7 and maybe 4-4.
 
infantrycak said:
IMO Manning would have gone for the deep throw, Brady about 50/50% which he takes--he likes to hit short passes with the WR running and see what happens.

My take on the the last play is there are good reasons for taking either option and QB's, elite and otherwise, would have split over the decision which basically means neither option is bone-headed and the play is not a glaring example of Carr making a bad decision as asserted by some. It is a classic example of the Texans' season--all it takes is one player not getting it done 4-6 times per game and you go from a 7-9 or even 9-7 team to being a 1-7 team.
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I just think you go to your franchise player on 4th and go home. That lob pass is a low % pass for a number of reasons.

infantrycak said:
As for Walker yelling at Carr--I am glad to see Walker back to form and excited but if he wants to inspire, lead, criticize someone it should be on the D side of the ball. He attacked the O last year and Carr yesterday--that would be fine if the Texans had a top 10 D but they don't. Walker should be in Greenwood's grill and after Peek, Babin, Orr and Coleman (there is someone who deserves a yelling). Once he inspires the D he can go work on the O.
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How do you know he isn't hammering them in the huddle? Carr isn't in any of his huddles. We make too many assumptions sometimes.
 
Vinny said:
Carr also missed a wide open AJ for a TD or at least a huge catch and run a couple of plays earlier that would have either tied the game then or we would have been within a short pass to get in the end zone....Carr just didn't get it done...Nobody was near aj.
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I'm going to look at this play again, but my impression at the time was it was simply miscommunication between Carr and AJ--AJ did not look like he was running flat out as the ball was coming down. Was there something particular that made the miscommunication Carr's responsibility rather than AJ's?
 
Vinny said:
I had this in the gamethread but I'll put it down here for the heck of it. That was a great decision and great pass on a first, second, or third down...but not on fourth with the game over if you miss out on a low % sideline lob pass. That just killed the game in one go-for-it-all gamble. Carr also missed a wide open AJ for a TD or at least a huge catch and run a couple of plays earlier that would have either tied the game then or we would have been within a short pass to get in the end zone....Carr just did't get it done...Nobody was near aj. Great players make great plays....Carr made a great throw to Bradford....but it was Corey Freaking Bradford on 4th down on an all or nothing gamble. It's worth debating. I just wish people on the extremes would debate it properly.
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The play earlier to AJ, it's really not apparent who was at fault. Did Carr overthrow (as you suggest) or did AJ get "winded" and stop running the route (as the announcers suggest)?

So, let's debate it properly. Bradford was having one of the best (if not THE best) game he's ever had for the Texans. Corey had already made two sideline catches on the same drive. (AJ also made two catches and Armstrong one as well) Why, on his best (or nearly best) day would you NOT choose to take that chance w/ no timeouts left? Both AJ AND Bradford had beat their coverage. The AJ completion wouldn't give you a TD. At best, you'd have a first down and still have roughly 25-30 yards to cover in about 35-40 seconds.
 
Vinny said:
Carr also missed a wide open AJ for a TD or at least a huge catch and run a couple of plays earlier that would have either tied the game then or we would have been within a short pass to get in the end zone....Carr just didn't get it done...Nobody was near aj. Great players make great plays....Carr made a great throw to Bradford....but it was Corey Freaking Bradford on 4th down on an all or nothing gamble. It's worth debating. I just wish people on the extremes would debate it properly.
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By AJ own admission, he thought Carr threw the ball and stopped on his route and the next thing he knew the ball was going over his head. So its Carrs fault for putting Bradford in position to make a easy catch on a well thrown ball and Carrs fault that AJ didn't continue on his route. :brickwall
 
I had to tape the game and haven't watched this last pass....question.

How much time was on the clock? I agree with Vinny. If there was time left you get the first down first and then maybe start trying for the endzone. As it is they missed obviously and well game over in one play.

b) The Walker/Carr thing. If I'm talking, arguing, conversing with my boss I don't want a third person coming over hollering at me. I'm sure Walker did it in the heat of battle but he owes David an apology. I guess they're giving the company line "we're competitive". Fine.

c) Bradford was on the news last night and offered no excuses. He has a badly bruised hand but he said he had his hands on the ball and should have caught it.

d) To me Jacksonville is the team most likely to be moved. The stadium was nowhere near full...my understanding is that is not unusual. I can't imagine the NFL likes that. The guys on the radio said they block off sections that are empty for TV appearance sake.
 
infantrycak said:
I'm going to look at this play again, but my impression at the time was it was simply miscommunication between Carr and AJ--AJ did not look like he was running flat out as the ball was coming down. Was there something particular that made the miscommunication Carr's responsibility rather than AJ's?
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I don't know, but I'd like to see Carr hit a guy in what looks like a busted coverage. I was closer to AJ than the defenders were.
 
MorKnolle said:
I understand that throwing to Bradford was questionable in that situation, but still if a QB sees a guy break open on that route, especially with the game Bradford was having up to that point, you have to throw that pass. If he was incapable of getting the ball there or whatever then that is one thing, but he dropped the ball in perfectly and in stride, so I applaud his decision and his throw on that play. DC saw his chance to change the game in that one play and he took it, who knows how a throw at AJ would have gone, I'll have to check game tape on that later this week to see how open he was, but Carr saw a chance to make a bigger play and he went for it, gave the best throw you could ask for, and Bradford couldn't come up with it. Look at the Chiefs/Raiders game yesterday. Vermeil went for the game-winning TD on that last play rather than the safe FG and overtime. He is developing a winners mentality in Kansas City and it paid off for them yesterday. Carr is the same way and was trying to make the big play and it didn't work out. That's been the difference between 1-7 and maybe 4-4.
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I am all for a winner's mentality and that is why we should not have thrown to Bradford. Vermiel has arguably the best O line in the league with a young runner coming into this own. He basically put his best assets to work. If you feel that Bradford is our best option, then I agree with your logic, but do not agree with your take.
 
Vinny said:
I just think you go to your franchise player on 4th and go home. That lob pass is a low % pass for a number of reasons.
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I tend to agree with you because Bradford is involved, but many teams use their big guy to clear out a Stokely or a Gaffney in that scenario. There were also legitimate early concerns about the LB and the fact that the throw to AJ had a much higher chance of being batted down. I certainly see the play being debateable and probably even the better play being to AJ--it just doesn't rise to the level of bone-headed enough for it to be held up as a glaring example of Carr being incompetent.

How do you know he isn't hammering them in the huddle? Carr isn't in any of his huddles. We make too many assumptions sometimes.
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Obviously we don't know everything that tranpires, but I haven't seen Walker actively going after anyone like that in a huddle or on the sideline. He may be talking calmly to people, but he isn't visibly getting upset at people where it can be seen on camera or at the games.
 
You give your shot at what? Scoring a TD? How good are we in the redzone? Carr can't make the big play? Did you even see Carr lay it into Mathis' Hands last week? Bradford was having a decent day, no reason, not one reason at all you can't rely on your recievers. This is just crazy. Too many people on their wierd agendas and are not looking at these games objectively. [Insert QB's name] throws to [Insert WR] and WR didn't make the catch. On any other team you would absolutely blame the WR for that pass not being caught. It's crazy these people continually blaming Carr for things that are out of his control.

Was AJ guaranteed to catch that "safe" pass? Nope, because in almost every game in he's been in this year he's missed crucial passes. People complain about him not making plays, yet he did his part in putting the ball where the QB needs to. The QB can't catch for him.

This is disgusting.
 
Course Carr tried to hit the home run at the end, given 2 choices late in games, he is accustomed to go for it.

When have the texans ever played safe in the last 2 mins? Wether its going for the TD when down by 3 on 4th and goal, to everything else. He saw a chance to take a shot and took it, CB just dropped it.

At least he has the stones to go for it.
 
SESupergenius said:
You give your shot at what? Scoring a TD? How good are we in the redzone? Carr can't make the big play? Did you even see Carr lay it into Mathis' Hands last week? Bradford was having a decent day, no reason, not one reason at all you can't rely on your recievers. This is just crazy. Too many people on their wierd agendas and are not looking at these games objectively. [Insert QB's name] throws to [Insert WR] and WR didn't make the catch. On any other team you would absolutely blame the WR for that pass not being caught. It's crazy these people continually blaming Carr for things that are out of his control.

Was AJ guaranteed to catch that "safe" pass? Nope, because in almost every game in he's been in this year he's missed crucial passes. People complain about him not making plays, yet he did his part in putting the ball where the QB needs to. The QB can't catch for him.

This is disgusting.
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What's so disgusting? It was 4th down. I thought it was great choice/pass/play on any other down as I have stated. This is a place us Texans fans can share our opinions. This is just something that we can discuss without someone labeling the topic as disgusting. We can discuss this decision here....why not?
 
Carr stated after the game that he saw a linebacker in position on Andre so he went to Corey. On the play where Carr overthrew AJ, both AJ and Carr agreed that Andre lost sight of the ball. AJ thought it was going somewhere else and Carr thought AJ was making the break. It was a timing route and Carr had to throw prior to AJ's break.

As for Carr and Walker getting into the argument. It really was nothing. They were all just PO'ed about losing and emotions sometimes really do get the better of you, especially after a tough loss in a very tough season.

But this is just all talk. Unless something drastic changes with team performance, we're looking at a completely different team next year. (either players or style):bomb:
 
Frills said:
Course Carr tried to hit the home run at the end, given 2 choices late in games, he is accustomed to go for it.

When have the texans ever played safe in the last 2 mins? Wether its going for the TD when down by 3 on 4th and goal, to everything else. He saw a chance to take a shot and took it, CB just dropped it.

At least he has the stones to go for it.
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Texans always play it safe in the last 2 minutes...Thats whats so aggravating! First play of every drive with less than 2 mins on the clock is going to be a draw play! As coach says "we were trying to catch them by surprise"

Finally someone had the stones to go for it! and of course being the hypocrites most fans are, Carr gets criticized for it.:texflag:
 
SESupergenius said:
You give your shot at what? Scoring a TD? How good are we in the redzone? Carr can't make the big play? Did you even see Carr lay it into Mathis' Hands last week? Bradford was having a decent day, no reason, not one reason at all you can't rely on your recievers. This is just crazy. Too many people on their wierd agendas and are not looking at these games objectively. [Insert QB's name] throws to [Insert WR] and WR didn't make the catch. On any other team you would absolutely blame the WR for that pass not being caught. It's crazy these people continually blaming Carr for things that are out of his control.

Was AJ guaranteed to catch that "safe" pass? Nope, because in almost every game in he's been in this year he's missed crucial passes. People complain about him not making plays, yet he did his part in putting the ball where the QB needs to. The QB can't catch for him.

This is disgusting.
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This is disgusting because we are building arguements upon tangent arguments. I agree with objectivity, that is why I would not compare the throw to Mathis as the same with the last throw of the game against the Jags. Time, score and situation is crucial to this debate.

As far as your last innuendo, you have left yourself exposed to the bench DC party. :)
 
Everyone complains about us not going long and stretching the field. Well we finally do and the reciever doesn't make the catch. So what does this tell the defense? Carr had a very good day. He made very accurate throws, it's up to the receivers to make those catches. We've seen time and time again that is Carr has time to make his throws he makes them.

I saw that last play 3 times last night and the LB is right there with AJ. People accuse Carr of not looking for other receivers and "locking on", well he made a great adjustment there. He targeted AJ, saw coverage on him, went to his #2 option and noticed it was man coverage with the safety out of position to me the deep play. Kudos to Carr for making a check off and making his throw, but you won't hear any of his critics say that. It's not on their agenda.
 
:texflag: If a LB is with AJ its only for a blink . They have not invented a LB who can cover AJ .
I still consider AJ the best player we have on offense ... and on that note I agree with Vinny that I'd prefer losing with my best pitch . I will not complain though about the pass because it should have been caught .
 
The pass should've been caught and it was a decision that was made based on trying to win the game rather than playing it safe. That being said, I blame noone but the receiver who dropped it. I don't blame the game on him though because he made plenty of catches that allowed us to be in the lead and stay in the game. I will just say that Bradford has to go and I still have to wonder another week about what kind of attack we would have if Mathis and Johnson are on the field at the same time.
 
I'm all for going with "your best pitch" as you put it, but at the same time I like Carr's gutsy decision to go with the option for the biggest play. It didn't work out in our favor in the end, but I like playing for the win there. I hope DC keeps that up and that the OC gives him opportunities to make plays like that and I hope that we make a play on it when those times come.
 
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