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Goldeagle said:
A good pass, a typical drop.

A fat man who has taken the last few years off except for a couple of games needs to keep his mouth shut on the sidelines.
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Couldn't agree more.
 
ccdude730 said:
how was that not a good read? right when he got the ball and got his feet set he sent the ball sailing. he READ the safety playing away from the sideline.

and if thats not what happened thats what im stickin with
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You do that then.
 
bleh.. get over the "who was more open" bull. Bradford was open enough and the ball was well placed. Carr did his job.

I guess he could have copped a squat and thought about it for 15-30 seconds.. but we were about to have to start taking people out of the stands to play on our Oline and it showed.
 
Grid said:
hey if Walker yelled at carr that he needs the coaching..or needs to listen to the coach.. then he is spot on.

Carr better not be considering himself a veteran.. hes still making rookie mistakes.
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Walker needs to keep his mouth shut. He plays on a D unit that let Gary Coleman walk into the endzone from ten yards out.

Was that a fourth down play? Or was the fourth down play when the whole D went to go and tackle the running back while there receiver was playing solitare in the back of the endzone?

If you live in a glass house......
 
anyone just see the LColes touchdown catch in the Chargers game replay on Primetime? He was tightly-covered and made a beautiful catch in the corner of the endzone .... whatta concept ...
 
chuckm said:
anyone just see the LColes touchdown catch in the Chargers game replay on Primetime? He was tightly-covered and made a beautiful catch in the corner of the endzone .... whatta concept ...
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In the Bengals game, Chad Johnson made a nice catch of a long ball just short of the end zone when well covered too. I can't believe that numbskull QB threw it to him. What was he thinking?
 
Runner said:
In the Bengals game, Chad Johnson made a nice catch of a long ball just short of the end zone when well covered too. I can't believe that numbskull QB threw it to him. What was he thinking?
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rumor has it that Houshmandzadeh was wide open too .....
 
well i just saw the steve smith TD and that was a replay of the bradford-carr toss, except smith didnt drop it.

well some people can only understand concepts. not really hands on guys if you know what i mean
 
Runner said:
In the Bengals game, Chad Johnson made a nice catch of a long ball just short of the end zone when well covered too. I can't believe that numbskull QB threw it to him. What was he thinking?
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1st off: CJ > Bradford and CJ makes a couple of those catches every week, Bradford has never made that type of catch...
Secondly, it wasnt a 4th down play
 
Fiddy said:
1st off: CJ > Bradford and CJ makes a couple of those catches every week, Bradford has never made that type of catch...
Secondly, it wasnt a 4th down play
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even more reason for Bradford to come up big ....
 
You can't please all of the people all of the time. If he had thrown to Dre, and Dre caught the ball, and time ran out before we scored, people would be moaning about the missed Bradford opportunity.

I don't see the last play as a big problem either way he makes the throw - Bradford or Johnson. He has other problems to fix before we worry about dissecting which was the smarter play on that 4th down - I think he had two good options and chose one. In my opinion.
 
I know I can't be the only fan who believes that Carr appears not to have the mental faculties to be a successful NFL QB? He's still messing up and making rookie type mistakes.
He really needs help reading Defenses too. Seriously, he may not be the sharpest guy playing QB in the NFL. He seems to be "overly protected".
 
Wow, I thought this thread was about the sideline argument??? When did all the Armchair Quarterbacks take over??
If anyone gets any info about the argument, please let us know.
 
Mr. Old School said:
I know I can't be the only fan who believes that Carr appears not to have the mental faculties to be a successful NFL QB? He's still messing up and making rookie type mistakes.
He really needs help reading Defenses too. Seriously, he may not be the sharpest guy playing QB in the NFL. He seems to be "overly protected".
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carr doesnt always make good decisions. im hoping when the pass protection gets better and he has more time to concentrate on the play and not running for his life his decesions will improve. its hard for the game to slow down for him when he has about half the time of an ave qb.

a lot of people have given up on him. but i think you have to give him a chance before you throw a #1 pick away. and beside he's the best we got.
 
markbeth said:
carr doesnt always make good decisions. im hoping when the pass protection gets better and he has more time to concentrate on the play and not running for his life his decesions will improve. its hard for the game to slow down for him when he has about half the time of an ave qb.

a lot of people have given up on him. but i think you have to give him a chance before you throw a #1 pick away. and beside he's the best we got.
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Banks won 3 of 4 starts. I honestly believe his title of "1st pick, 1st round, 1st year" has kept him as the starter for this long.
 
Hulk75 said:
Corey was open as well, nice catch.
David was going for the throat and Corey dropped it.
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He wasn't as open as Dre... and why "go for the throat" if you can get an easy first down? :brickwall
 
Sorry to actually be on topic, but one thing that Gary Walker said to Carr was "That's right *******************er!"

...just in case anyone was interested
 
TexansBlitz said:
Sorry to actually be on topic, but one thing that Gary Walker said to Carr was "That's right *******************er!"

...just in case anyone was interested
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Do you mean, "Thats right, mo-****a!?!?" ???
 
Texan281 said:
Banks won 3 of 4 starts. I honestly believe his title of "1st pick, 1st round, 1st year" has kept him as the starter for this long.
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carr came in one of those games. and it wasnt banks it was our defense. banks actually got sacked at almost 3 times the rate carr did that year. he would be out for the year in less than two games.
 
markbeth said:
carr came in one of those games. and it wasnt banks it was our defense. banks actually got sacked at almost 3 times the rate carr did that year. he would be out for the year in less than two games.
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We're already 1-7, the season is lost. I'd definitely say it's fair to bench Carr and see what else we have at the QB position. It's not like things would get worse, now would they?
 
Texan281 said:
Banks won 3 of 4 starts.
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Where did you get that stat? Banks has started 3 games for the Texans, all in '03. The Texans won at home against Carolina (14-10), lost at home against New England (23-20), and won again against Atlanta (17-13). Banks left just after the half with the Texans trailing.

Oh, the legend of Tony Banks grows every year...
 
Texan281 said:
We're already 1-7, the season is lost. I'd definitely say it's fair to bench Carr and see what else we have at the QB position. It's not like things would get worse, now would they?
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i cant disagree with you there. unless hodgdon comes back i think carr was getting it together with the improved o-line play. i would hate for someone to come in and get better protection than carr has had and then look good.
 
Lucky said:
Where did you get that stat? Banks has started 3 games for the Texans, all in '03. The Texans won at home against Carolina (14-10), lost at home against New England (23-20), and won again against Atlanta (17-13). Banks left just after the half with the Texans trailing.

Oh, the legend of Tony Banks grows every year...
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Okay then, since he started two full games and went 1-1, his winning percentage would be .500. Still beats Carrs.
 
Lucky said:
Where did you get that stat? Banks has started 3 games for the Texans, all in '03. The Texans won at home against Carolina (14-10), lost at home against New England (23-20), and won again against Atlanta (17-13). Banks left just after the half with the Texans trailing.

Oh, the legend of Tony Banks grows every year...
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no he's right he was in for most of the buffalo game as well. but you could hardly call that great qb play. we won 12 to 10. and the atlanta game wasnt cause of banks either. carr came in and helped us with that win.

banks did play well against carolina.
 
All right...some recievers look open to us because of the angle. Some playes look covered that are actually open from the QB's point of view.
 
Lucky said:
Where did you get that stat? Banks has started 3 games for the Texans, all in '03. The Texans won at home against Carolina (14-10), lost at home against New England (23-20), and won again against Atlanta (17-13). Banks left just after the half with the Texans trailing.

Oh, the legend of Tony Banks grows every year...
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We won 3 of 5 in the stretch he is talking about. I just looked it up. Carr completed 2 passes for 25 yards against the Falcons. The Banks led Texans beat the Panthers and Bills and barely lost to the Pats. Banks played statistically better than Carr that year.

Banks 2003 Houston Texans 7 3 102 61 59.8 693 6.79 46 5 3 13/57 9 2 84.3
Carr 2003 Houston Texans 12 11 295 167 56.6 2013 6.82 78 9 13 15/90 22 5 69.5

Nov 2 Carolina Won 14-10
Nov 9 @Cincinnati Lost 27-34
Nov 16 @Buffalo Won 12-10
Nov 23 New England Lost 20-23
Nov 30 Atlanta Won 17-13

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/306268
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1062
 
Texan281 said:
Well sure, he missed a wide open Dre. He may have a nice arm, but it doesn't make a difference if he has absolutely NO brain.
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He had a pretty solid game, everyone is very critical of Carr, but they are not back there getting pounded every down. It has to take a toll at some point, he could have avoided a couple of sacks, but he made some quality throws. As far as the argument goes, hey the heat of battle causes tempers to flare, it is probably not that big of a deal.
 
For the second week in a row, Walker played very well. When he's healty &
on his game, there's little doubt that he's our best DLineman. But as a member of the defensive unit, it is so obviously inappropriate for him to insert himself into any kind of serious game-related communication between 2 people on the offensive unit, let alone the OC & QB, gotta believe the
emotion of losing just got the best of his composure & common sense.
 
nunusguy said:
For the second week in a row, Walker played very well. When he's healty &
on his game, there's little doubt that he's our best DLineman. But as a member of the defensive unit, it is so obviously inappropriate for him to insert himself into any kind of serious game-related communication between 2 people on the offensive unit, let alone the OC & QB, gotta believe the
emotion of losing just got the best of his composure & common sense.
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I agree...but it was after the game and Carr was arguing with his coach. Walker just told him to take his coaching. Small point but some may think this was during the game.
 
The stuff you miss listening to the game on the radio. Overall it was a good game. I think for the most part they were competitive up until the 4th where it seemd as if they ran out of gas. I can't beleive Bradford dropped the ball - ok maybe I can. He did pretty good for the day up until that.

Will wait to hear more about the argument.
 
belars44 said:
Ok Capers......you may have the reigns for this year but I know you can hear the footsteps.......keep playing not to lose next week at Indy (1-8) so we can be totally embarrassed yet another Sunday night game against KC (1-9). But hopefully we can kick enough FG's to win them and I can eat crow, pfffffffffffft.
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Thats not what Im saying at all. What I mean is that if Gary was yelling at Carr, then he needs to back off because if the D had held Jac. to a field goal then we would not have had to go for it on 4th down. I still think we should be agressive and play to win though.
 
Vinny said:
We won 3 of 5 in the stretch he is talking about. I just looked it up. Carr completed 2 passes for 25 yards against the Falcons. The Banks led Texans beat the Panthers and Bills and barely lost to the Pats. Banks played statistically better than Carr that year.

Banks 2003 Houston Texans 7 3 102 61 59.8 693 6.79 46 5 3 13/57 9 2 84.3
Carr 2003 Houston Texans 12 11 295 167 56.6 2013 6.82 78 9 13 15/90 22 5 69.5

Nov 2 Carolina Won 14-10
Nov 9 @Cincinnati Lost 27-34
Nov 16 @Buffalo Won 12-10
Nov 23 New England Lost 20-23
Nov 30 Atlanta Won 17-13

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/306268
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1062
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the only game we scored over 20 during that stretch was the cincinnati game. carr played that whole game. and while carr only had 25 yards he played late in the game with a shoulder inj and had a key run that probably won us the game. you might also wanna throw in sacks in those stats. banks had almost as many as carr had the entire year. dont think he would last with our offensive line this year.
 
BuffSoldier said:
Thats not what Im saying at all. What I mean is that if Gary was yelling at Carr, then he needs to back off because if the D had held Jac. to a field goal then we would not have had to go for it on 4th down. I still think we should be agressive and play to win though.
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thats just plain retarded its like saying if David had not fumbled the Ball that led to a Jags touchdown we would of Won:texflag:
 
i dont think anyone on this board thinks carr is playing great right now. we just have a difference of opinion on why he's not putting up the numbers. if you look at the first quarter and a half i think you can start to get a fell for what he might be able to do. i think if the lineman wouldnt of went down carr throws for over 300 yards and 2 td's and we win. some of you dont agree. we will never know if we dont give him a season with a good line and some real coaches.
 
Texan281 said:
A good pass... INTO DOUBLE COVERAGE. Dre was running to the left across the middle, and was WIDE open. Carr, stats-wise, had a mediocre game, but this offense has been dumbed down so much... it's not even funny. Not ONCE did I see Carr look for any other receivers.
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Hmmm, a good pass in double Coverage THAT LANDED RIGHT INTO THE HANDS OF THE WR WHO DROPPED THE PASS!
 
Well perhaps one day if Gary is on the sidelines having a heated discussion with his coach David should walk up to him and give him an earful. Would that be right?

Perhaps Gary should think about that.
 
PLEASE!

Lay off Carr - who the hell else would we get to come here that would be better? Banks? He's the NFL History Leader of fumbles - behind our line - are you kidding?

Walker needs to butt out.

As far as Carr arguing with his coach: Pendry was SO AWESOME of a line coach and coordinator that he was UNEMPLOYED for over two years after being fired at Buffalo. As soon as he showed here, our sack total increased from Year 2 to Year 3 by 12 sacks. What a joke!

My biggest fear: Who in the heck would want to come here next year, as GM or coach? Or any free agents - we haven't exactly hit the mark on those recently either!
 
I am positive if (and I think it will be so) the Texans are in need of a new head coach it will be a most attractive job opening for any number of worthy candidates.
 
"The two were separated by Texans vice president of communications Tony Wyllie."

Are we the most image concerned team in the NFL or what?
 
Walker had every right to question Carr's decision to go deep to Bradford. Just like Carr has the right to ask him why the defense allowed two 80+ drives that just killed. This type of thing happens on everyteam in some fashion or another when you are at the height of competiton all you want to do is win so guys get heated.

As for the pass Carr made a perfect pass and a great read. Yeah AJ was open about 14yds down the field, but he had the saftey playing over the top so he would have been brought down soon after he caught the ball. This would have given us a couple more plays, but when you have the shot (any QB will tell you) you take the shot to get closest to the endzone. He had his fastest veteran receiver one on one with the CB and he read it and took the shot. The problem was it was Bradford and not Mathis. That is the only thing that should be examined do you throw the ball to a guy like Bradford with the game on the line? Now that should be debated.
 
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