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AP Doing A Re-Vote
- Thread starter MFG16
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mariowillshine15
All Pro
The only thing that bothers me about this is that Peppers and Merriman were caught using PEDs and didnt get their awards taken away or re-voted on.
If your going to do something be consistent.
If your going to do something be consistent.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
From what I've gathered over this whole debacle is that after Merriman's DROY, the league changed the rules, thus "the Merriman Rule" about rescinding awards after being busted on rules violations (more specifically steroid and derivatives of steroids to include masking agents and including, but not limited to, ephedrine, etc.).
AP Idiots.
It has already been confirmed that it was for a non-steroidal substance.
Now.. it may have been a masking agent which could have been used to HIDE a steroidal substance.. but the fact that he passed 19 of 20 tests, and that this failed test happened in september and Cush continued to own throughout the rest of the year, while passing his PED tests..
i just dont know how these jackholes came to this conclusion. This is a classic case of Guilty until proven Innocent.. except they arent even going to allow any "proving" to take place. There is a smidge of doubt, so they are going to strip him of his award.
Its inexcusable, and the fact that some of you are agreeing with them pisses me off. These AP jerkoffs are kicking one of our players while they are down.. they are unfairly judging our player and our team.. and some of you are nodding your heads and agreeing with them. Will the real Texans fans please stand up.
It has already been confirmed that it was for a non-steroidal substance.
Now.. it may have been a masking agent which could have been used to HIDE a steroidal substance.. but the fact that he passed 19 of 20 tests, and that this failed test happened in september and Cush continued to own throughout the rest of the year, while passing his PED tests..
i just dont know how these jackholes came to this conclusion. This is a classic case of Guilty until proven Innocent.. except they arent even going to allow any "proving" to take place. There is a smidge of doubt, so they are going to strip him of his award.
Its inexcusable, and the fact that some of you are agreeing with them pisses me off. These AP jerkoffs are kicking one of our players while they are down.. they are unfairly judging our player and our team.. and some of you are nodding your heads and agreeing with them. Will the real Texans fans please stand up.
gary
Hall of Fame
You know he is for sure?
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
SuperGary, in short..... No.
mariowillshine15
All Pro
Didnt know that. Thanks for the information.
Anybody read anything about how this vote will come out? Cush have a chance of keeping it?
gary
Hall of Fame
Well, you know I just thought he is that good.
MFG16
Waterboy
don't wanna be an A** hole but almost everybody in the nfl looks like that. except for probably QB's and DT's.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
The Merriman rule applies to awards given by the NFL (Not the AP). Goodell made that rule after Merriman went to the PB after serving a 4 game suspension earlier that same season.
edit: bill you have to get with the times, this ain't your high school messageboard here we are for real.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Confirmed by................?
b0ng
Bad Hombre
Brian Cushing's press statement and lie detector! What you don't believe him? You wanna say that to his face? You know he gets angry!
wagonhed
Team Gruden
eriadoc
Texan-American
Look man, it's not that I disagree with your sentiment, but I keep getting tripped up on one thing - Brian Cushing did this to himself. The list of banned substances under the "performance enhancing" section of the book is available to every player. When your body is your livelihood, you either know what you're taking, or you're a moron. Either way, it's all on Brian Cushing. And all the rationalizations and excuses in the world won't change the fact that HE TOOK THE SUBSTANCE. And it doesn't matter if it was a traditional anabolic steroid or a masking agent, or pixie sticks. If it's on the banned list, he knows better than to take it.
That doesn't change my fan-dom of him, but I recognize that, at the very least, he was stupid, and quite possibly he was taking something or trying to hide what he was taking. Speculation by us doesn't matter, because the NFL knows what he took, and they levied the prescribed punishment. So the fact finding trial part of this incident is over, and Cush was found guilty. It's just that we fans aren't privy to the court transcripts, so to speak.
Most importantly, he hurt the team.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
His statements don't change anything as far as what he did to himself, to the team and to his fans (look at all the bad blood it is creating here). But I still want to believe him. Before it's all "over," he better be able to handle himself answering the tough questions coming from sources outside of just his own fan base........and without showing that he is threatened, and without demonstrating a threatening attitude to those might still be left with doubt.
GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
If Cushing wins the re-vote, will the AP have another re-vote? I'm pretty sure people will already be laughing at them if Cushing wins again, but if they have another re-vote, it'll be pure comedy.
Thats a very black and white way of looking at something that is very grey though.
For one.. I agree completely that it is his fault that he failed the test...that he should have known better and that he was in the wrong for whatever it is that he took. It hurt his career and it hurt this team. I dont disagree with anything there. Im disappointed in him too, and im angry that he let it happen and that we arent going to have him for 4 games.
But thats as far as it goes.. anything else is jumping to conclusions. Saying he cheated is bullshit. For one.. its already been said that he did not fail the test for steroids. Does that mean that he didnt take steroids? No it just means that WE DONT KNOW IF HE TOOK STEROIDS. That is why he is banned for 4 games.. because the NFL could not say beyond a shadow of a doubt that he DIDNT take steroids.
Brian Cushing says he didnt take steroids... he took a lie detector test supposedly and passed it on that account. he also passed his other 19 PED tests and continued to perform at a high level for the majority of the season AFTER failing this test. I also believe (but am not sure) that he passed PED tests after he failed the one.
Im not saying this clears his name.. all im saying is that there is PLENTY OF EVIDENCE to suggest that he did not cheat. There is MORE evidence that he DID NOT cheat than there is evidence that he did. The only problem is that that one failed tests means that no one can say with 100% certainty that he didnt.
But since there is no hard evidence that he did.. I feel that all true FANS should support him and assume that he is being honest when he says that he didnt take steroids. And considering the amount of evidence he has to support that claim.. I dont think that a person is being gullible or "burying their head in the sand" when they say that they believe him and support him.
These AP fools are being idiots. Its their award to give or take away, but all they are doing by having this re-vote is helping to propagate the RUMOR that he cheated, and further hurt his career, his good name, and the reputation of our team.
I suppose that I shouldnt be surprised that the AP didnt do their research and see that there is plenty of evidence to the contrary. Sensationalism sells after all.
But you fans need to make up your mind. Either you are a Texans fan or you arent. I cant see any good excuse for a Texans fan to be throwing Cushing under the bus at this juncture. All you are doing is helping the rest of the football world to degrade our team, and Brian Cushing.. who is a young kid who made a (possibly) minor mistake, that had big repercussions.
GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
The AP will get a big slap in the face when Cushing wins the DROY again. That's what many are expecting to happen now.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
Has there been more stuff to come out? All I've read is Schefter saying Cushing has gotten some votes in the re-vote.
GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
It's hard for me to get out of my mind that he and his stength coach were both alledgedly warned of the substance.........and ignored the warning.
You are not the judge of who is or isn't a fan nor do you determine the criteria for anyone but yourself. Keep your comments to Cushing, the Texans, and the NFL.
Still doing your internet tough guy routine?
Quit riding my ass Lucky. I get it..you dont like how I word things.
I could go into a lengthy explanation of fandom and how it is quantified, and who, if anyone has the authority to revoke a persons fan "membership card"...but you dont really care and it would inevitably lead to a flame war in which you would simple talk smack to me then delete any responses I made.
Out of curiosity though.. does keeping comments to Cushing, the Texans, and the NFL apply to everyone? Or just the people who you dont like? Cause im pretty sure if we looked through most of the posts on just the first page of the forum we would find alot of people with the audacity to make comments directed at other fans on the board. You gonna police everyone? or just me?
You wanna take this conversation to private? Or have it right here? Or you could just save us both the back and forth and ban me. Thats what you are looking to do anyway.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
Well said!!
I also don't get the outrage here...."he'll show them when he gets back." "I can't believe this....". the only one that has caused this is Brain Cushing. Whatever he took, it was banned and he didn't do his due diligence. He put himself, the team and others in the crosshairs. Does he deserve to lose the award...who knows, we will see. People are saying things because of a lie detector(which others have tried to use before and its not even proven reliable), etc but all in all he is out 4 games because of his own actions. I'm not sure why people wish ill will on others with this opinion since it is the facts. If you can't see the common sense in that, then you won't see how his actions put the team at risk and how it sits at one guys feet...Cushing.
Imatexanfan
Hall of Fame
I dont really care what anyone says, there's no magic pill that will automatically get a player 130 tackles on a season and not to mention all there other stuff he did as far as numbers. I mean as a player you still have to go out there and out preform everyone on the field and he did just that even with all the injuries there's no way he should be stripped of any awards he earned, and you know what I'm gonna go ahead and call it right now even with him missing 4 regular season games he still goes on to have 100+ tackle season. 
The Giants are gonna have 260 pounds of pissed off white boy to look forward to come week 5 you can bet that...
The Giants are gonna have 260 pounds of pissed off white boy to look forward to come week 5 you can bet that...
I dont really care what anyone says, there's no magic pill that will automatically get a player 130 tackles on a season and not to mention all there other stuff he did as far as numbers. I mean as a player you still have to go out there and out preform everyone on the field and he did just that even with all the injuries there's no way he should be stripped of any awards he earned, and you know what I'm gonna go ahead and call it right now even with him missing 4 regular season games he still goes on to have 100+ tackle season.
The Giants are gonna have 260 pounds of pissed off white boy to look forward to come week 5 you can bet that...
Football is jsut as cerebral, if not more, than it is physical. Being big, strong and fast doesn't mean you are the best. You have to know what you're doing out there.
These types of statements never get old. Oh wait. They do.
TimeKiller
Guest
How is he eligible to play out the season, win the award AND THEN get suspended and have it taken away? Backwards. Don't get me wrong, check my sig if you're really wondering where I stand on the matter. I'm about playing fair, if Cushing wasn't playing fair then the 4 game suspension is well deserved. WAS well deserved, in fairness.
So they're gonna take it away and give it tooooo....Orakpo? Sure. Wink. Matthews? Because he wasn't right alongside every steroid allegation Cushing faced at USC. Tell you what, rookies? Line up. First one to piss a clean cup o' piss wins DROY. Oh and All Pro status will be pending clean piss tests. And Pro Bowl. Or player of the week/month. I'm all about fairness. Cush will pay his 4 games suspension, even if the timing is wildly out of control. You want to start making awards pending a piss test then do it across the board. Wouldn't it be a trip if Manning sucked a little juice down after his surgeries.....? Pffft like the league would ever let a Manning or a Brady or the like take a fall from grace.
Cush cannot sit in silence on this matter. Prepare a statement, press conference it. Tell us what it was, how it's not a steroid, why you feel you did the right things or if you did something wrong spill it. Make your argument or make your apology. Whatever you make Cush, my man, make it good.
So they're gonna take it away and give it tooooo....Orakpo? Sure. Wink. Matthews? Because he wasn't right alongside every steroid allegation Cushing faced at USC. Tell you what, rookies? Line up. First one to piss a clean cup o' piss wins DROY. Oh and All Pro status will be pending clean piss tests. And Pro Bowl. Or player of the week/month. I'm all about fairness. Cush will pay his 4 games suspension, even if the timing is wildly out of control. You want to start making awards pending a piss test then do it across the board. Wouldn't it be a trip if Manning sucked a little juice down after his surgeries.....? Pffft like the league would ever let a Manning or a Brady or the like take a fall from grace.
Cush cannot sit in silence on this matter. Prepare a statement, press conference it. Tell us what it was, how it's not a steroid, why you feel you did the right things or if you did something wrong spill it. Make your argument or make your apology. Whatever you make Cush, my man, make it good.
Great point. I wonder if those guys have ever had to wiz a cup without a 2 month warning? Doubtful.
So do "fans" that only support the team in fair weather.
BTW, ya know what else gets old? People who cherry pick small bits out of a post so they can flame/deride/complain..and ignore the intent of the post.
People keep complaining about what im saying.. but none of you seem very interested in replying to the points im trying to make about Cushing.
BigTimeTexanFan
Rookie
My question is how did the AP voters comed to the conclusion of a re-vote? was it a majority, or just a few that wanted to create some news? They are going to look like morons if he wins it again.
Kimmy
RealGirls LvFB!
Problem is, votes aren't due till tomorrow. The news of hCG coming out today and WHY it is banned by sports could swing that re-vote ... big time.
GP
Go Texans!
I see him winning the re-vote, but by a more narrow margin than before.
They're going to admit that it was unfortunate he failed a test for a banned substance, but that he didn't actually test positive for an actual s-t-e-r-o-i-d. And in the end, he dominated too much for it to all be the product of a PED. In short: Cushing's football skills and on-field i.q. > dumb decisions off-field.
GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
Swing that re-vote? In who's favor?
GP
Go Texans!
Baird of the Bills.
Clay Mathews can forget about getting a sniff of any award now that Cushing has come under scrutiny. Clay and Brian are going to be linked whether it's fair or not.
I still say Cushing wins, but by less of a majority than what he originally obtained.
GuerillaBlack
Hall of Fame
eriadoc
Texan-American
I already replied to your points, so I'll ask you one question in response to this post:
When did I miss the fair weather?
b0ng
Bad Hombre
THIS is what I agree with. Since Cushing is barred from getting any honors this year, last year's will have to suffice. Why have a re-vote?
That applies to THIS year, not last. And it has ZERO effect on the AP, who can vote on who they da** well please.
Careful....certain posters in this thread don't believe in any coastal biases. If they don't believe it, then it CAN'T be true.
That's where I have no sympathy for Cushing and/or the coach (if true). If you fail to heed a warning and then get caught on the same subject you were warned about, tough ****.
