A fair post.
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Any of you gonna admit to owing DW4 an apology?
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A fair post.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
We run plenty of Blasts, counters/traps. Some of why our run plays look like "that same dive play" is due to design to facillitate the play action....but most of it is b/c Miller has zero in the instincts dept and usually just runs straight up the back of his pulling o-lineman instead of bouncing it to the next hole over where there is more of a crease......unless the hole is just gaping & you can't ignore it. You expect & tolerate that from Blue...not your starter.
As president of the Kubiak Sunshine Klub it irritated me to no end that we didn't do what the Saints did yesterday - run up the score.
As I recall, Kubiak was of the mindset that one shouldn't set out to embarrass the other guys. He was all, "we have a double-digit lead, let's run out the clock and take the win".
I hated that.
Why resign Miller to a 4-yr contract then?
Why even call that play then?
Isn't that on OB ?
Areed about signing Miller.
Miller was supposed to be part of a Thunder/Lightening Miller/Foreman tandem. When Foreman got hurt Miller was the best they had left.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Not my first taste in music, but the video production was pretty good .. sort of showcases how smoothly DWAT has been moving and maybe quiet some of the shaky knee theorists.
austins23
Hall of Fame
I'm sorry, but did he REALLY say this?? Not doubting you, I just don't listen to his craptastic pressers. If he said that then he is a complete dumbass! Offensive genius/guru? Ya, right! If he was he'd be getting this guy open. How about the Red Zone? Draw up a few play for the guy down there.
Texansballer74
The Marine
You could tell DT was not happy. I really don't understand Bill O'brien's thinking. He quickly got KeKe involved. Or was it Watson only trusting in Keke and Hopkins.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
austins23
Hall of Fame
And he quickly got Thomas involved in Denver. I don't know, I'm sure there are tons of factors at work as to why Thomas didn't get any catches. But come on coach, don't blow smoke up my butt and tell me the ball didn't find him. There are some OC's around the league that can get guys schemed open in a phone booth, with FAR lesser a talent than Thomas. Get to work, coach, and get this guy involved in the offense.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Indeed, i guess he got DT involved because it was against DT former team.
But like you said it could of been several factors to why.
1. Watson wasn't looking for him.
2. Coach just didn't call on his number.
3. The line didn't give Watson time to go through his progressions.
4. Thomas just didn't get open.
5. We just don't have any rub/pick routes in the playbook.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
6. The Texans OC isn't innovative enough to utilize a weapon when he has one. Time for this OC to be shown the door.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
This.
I'd love to see Kubiak with the line he left O'Brien, Lamar Miller, & DeShuan Watson.
I doubt he'd ever turtle up. He'd have that foot on the throat attitude he had in Denver when he had a QB.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Compare the team that Kubiak took over and then turned into a 12-4 team.
Look at the team O'Brien took over and the best he's done in year 5 is 9-7 (maybe he breaks double figures this year)
Did Kubiak have more talent to begin with? Absolutely not. That's coaching. Koobs turned JAGS into Pro Bowlers .. O'Brien needs All Pros to remain mediocre it seems.
He had that with Schaub early 2011 and still went turtle often
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
It's true Koobs was a nice guy. He didn't believe in embarrassing the other coach, but at least he didn't act like a fire breather and then turtle up. OBrien is wierd he has flames shooting out his nostrils in interviews and practice, pissing vinegar all that and on game days ... He's just like Koobs.
Koobs was a hometown guy who was run out of town for being mediocre and yet everyone is snuggling up to O'Brien like he's some great commodity I just find it strange at times.
To be fair, the defense was so bad in '10 & 11 maybe he had to go turtle, but turtle he did
zshawn10
All Pro
PFF HOU Texans@PFF_Texans
https://twitter.com/PFF_Texans/status/1067470190701682688
#Texans QB Deshaun Watson was on
vs TEN, earning a 91.8 overall grade, which ranks first among all QBs in Week 12.
His stats & positional rank for Week 12:
-91.4 passing grade (1st)
-95.7 adjusted comp % (T-2nd)
-147.1 PR under pressure (3rd)
-149.6 PR off play action (3rd)
https://twitter.com/intent/like?tweet_id=1067470190701682688
11:28 AM - Nov 27, 2018
https://twitter.com/PFF_Texans/status/1067470190701682688
#Texans QB Deshaun Watson was on
His stats & positional rank for Week 12:
-91.4 passing grade (1st)
-95.7 adjusted comp % (T-2nd)
-147.1 PR under pressure (3rd)
-149.6 PR off play action (3rd)
https://twitter.com/intent/like?tweet_id=1067470190701682688
11:28 AM - Nov 27, 2018
Shishkabob
All Pro
Kubiak did get him his QB, Schuab was who he wanted to be his QB.
Shishkabob
All Pro
In all fairness there are a ton of fans that dislike O'Brien and want him tarred and feathered, but still slob on Kubiak's knob like yourself
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
So what point are you trying to make? Kubiak has been a part of 7 Super Bowls and owns 3 rings. When he was banished from here for being too "turtle-ee" all he did was go to Baltimore and give them the best offense they had seen in 20 years. Not enough? He took a rag tag group of Texan cast offs and won the Super Bowl with them a year after that in Denver.
What has O'Brien done? Go 6-5 in his best season at Penn St? 9-7 for a few years and now he finally lucks into a winning year and guys are gonna give him a reach around? I don't want him tarred and feathered I want him held accountable and for people to stop conveniently ignoring all the warts. I've already backed off the hyper critical train and given him his due when he deserves it but then you have guys like you who would rather throw out little passive aggressive middle school insults and then wonder why the adults won't hold a relevant discussion with you. Just click the ignore button I just did it's easier for everyone, and start a private chat where all the O'Brien apologists will allow the guy to bust a nut in their face and all y'all would do is rub it in and call it moisturizer. What's next fake news chants? when data and tangible examples are used it's just met with ''duur duur y'all don't know football" and rhetoric. Take it easy champ.
2-14
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
4-12 rewarded with new extension
Without his handpicked GM.
Obviously the McNair's blamed (Rightfully so, finally) 4-12 on Ricky.
Just like the McNair's blamed 2-14 on Kubiak. (Wrongfully so)
Shishkabob
All Pro
lol I give O'Brien **** to, but I'm not acting like Kubiak was some football messiah while he was here either. Kubiak had his issues here, sometimes the best the for both parties is to part ways correct? Kubiak did a fine job for the most part here sure, I guess 2 playoff appearances in 8 years is a "success". Fact was not only did he go 2-14 his last year, but he lost the locker room as well. When that happens you have to move on, you don't regain that respect over the off season, it's lost for good.
"He took a rag tag group of Texan cast offs and won the Super Bowl with them a year after that in Denver"
This line is highly laughable though, yea sure he rounded out his roster with some of his older players, lets not act like that team wasn't already stacked, and Elway didn't spend way above the cap in FA that year. Kubiak took a team that went to the SB 2 years prior, and the AFCC the year. He is a good coach, a good man, and I am happy to see all he has accomplished in his career, but it wasn't working out here for him.
I'm not so sure Kubiak lost the locker room.
Remember when Keenum came in, the Texans went:
Chiefs: 16-17
Colts: 24-27
Raiders: 23-28
Jaguars: 6-13
Patriots: 31-34
Jags: 20-27
It was after the next day after the loss to the Jags that Kubiak was fired.
And guess what?
The Texans went on to lose the next two games by some large margins:
3-25 to the Colts and 13-37 to the Broncos
sooooo the apology to Deshaun Watson part of this thread is finished...??
...asking for a friend
Hopefully
zshawn10
All Pro
patrick
✔@PatDStat
https://twitter.com/PatDStat/status/1067640536331403265
Correction: Deshaun Watson threw the ball 24 times and completed 79.2% of those passes. Looking closer at those numbers? 1 was a spike + 3 drops so adjusted, Watson completed completion %? He completed 95.% of his passes. Really only one errant pass all game. So yea. #Texans
https://twitter.com/intent/like?tweet_id=1067640536331403265
10:45 PM - Nov 27, 2018
✔@PatDStat
https://twitter.com/PatDStat/status/1067640536331403265
Correction: Deshaun Watson threw the ball 24 times and completed 79.2% of those passes. Looking closer at those numbers? 1 was a spike + 3 drops so adjusted, Watson completed completion %? He completed 95.% of his passes. Really only one errant pass all game. So yea. #Texans
https://twitter.com/intent/like?tweet_id=1067640536331403265
10:45 PM - Nov 27, 2018
Shishkabob
All Pro
I honestly just remember the reports about it at the time. I'm not going to pretend to have insider knowledge because I don't, but if I hear from enough sources who follow the team, and make the relations to have that knowledge I tend to believe them
I've been really impressed with the arm talent the kid's been showing. He's got great touch, can throw a 20 yard out on a rope if he has too, can zing it when he needs to, float it when he has to & hes making these decisions on the fly, while he's moving.
Pretty sweet to watch.
zshawn10
All Pro
ESPN's 25 players under 25
1) Patrick Mahomes
2) Tyreek Hill
3) Todd Gurley
4) Ezekiel Elliott
5) Kareem Hunt
6) Alvin Kamara
7) Christian McCaffrey
8) Danielle Hunter
9) Jared Goff
10) Myles Garrett
11) Deshaun Watson
Turns 25: Sept. 14, 2020
Watson has thrown touchdown passes on 7.4 percent of his attempts, easily the highest rate through 17 starts by any player drafted over the past decade. Russell Wilson is second on that list. Mahomes has a higher percentage (8.7) but only 12 starts.
"We are talking about a quarterback with exceptional, rare escapability," a defensive coach said. "He can run full-speed and then backpedal when you get him, like Michael Vick, where you have guys wrapping their arms around nothing. Then he can accurately throw from everywhere. That is his game, and they are doing a good job with him."
The Texans have built a great offense for Deshaun Watson, but he also makes brilliant individual plays on a weekly basis.
12) Jamal Adams
13) Ryan Ramczyk
14) Saquan Barkley
15) Derwin James
16) Laremy Tunsil
17) JuJu Smith-Schuster
18) Tarik Cohen
19) Joe Mixon
20) Kenny Clark
21) Marshon Lattimore
22) T.J. Watt
23) Bradley Chubb
24) James Connor
25) Yannick Ngakoue
http://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/25404393/nfl-top-25-25-player-rankings-2018
1) Patrick Mahomes
2) Tyreek Hill
3) Todd Gurley
4) Ezekiel Elliott
5) Kareem Hunt
6) Alvin Kamara
7) Christian McCaffrey
8) Danielle Hunter
9) Jared Goff
10) Myles Garrett
11) Deshaun Watson
Turns 25: Sept. 14, 2020
Watson has thrown touchdown passes on 7.4 percent of his attempts, easily the highest rate through 17 starts by any player drafted over the past decade. Russell Wilson is second on that list. Mahomes has a higher percentage (8.7) but only 12 starts.
"We are talking about a quarterback with exceptional, rare escapability," a defensive coach said. "He can run full-speed and then backpedal when you get him, like Michael Vick, where you have guys wrapping their arms around nothing. Then he can accurately throw from everywhere. That is his game, and they are doing a good job with him."
The Texans have built a great offense for Deshaun Watson, but he also makes brilliant individual plays on a weekly basis.
12) Jamal Adams
13) Ryan Ramczyk
14) Saquan Barkley
15) Derwin James
16) Laremy Tunsil
17) JuJu Smith-Schuster
18) Tarik Cohen
19) Joe Mixon
20) Kenny Clark
21) Marshon Lattimore
22) T.J. Watt
23) Bradley Chubb
24) James Connor
25) Yannick Ngakoue
http://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/25404393/nfl-top-25-25-player-rankings-2018
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Danielle Hunter Morton Ranch High school .. local kid blowing up!
I feel the QBs should probably lead this list because of how much they mean to their team, but i get its a 'talent' type eval, but Im still miffed at Deshaun not even in the top 10? Someone print this out and put in on his locker!!
I feel the QBs should probably lead this list because of how much they mean to their team, but i get its a 'talent' type eval, but Im still miffed at Deshaun not even in the top 10? Someone print this out and put in on his locker!!
Shishkabob
All Pro
Most sacks charged directly to QBs @PFF_Steve
Dak Prescott 13(34%)
Patrick Mahomes 9(45%)
Russell Wilson 8(23%)
Deshaun Watson 7(18%)
Mitchell Trubisky 7(36%)
Jared Goff 7(29%)
I added the percentages so you could see the percentage of each QBs sacks that they account for. I've been told at various points this year that the vast majority of sacks and hits Watson takes are his fault, even taking the 7 sacks that are on him out the remaining 30 still leave him as a top 10 most sacked QB. Pretty clear that he is in line, and actually better than some other young QBs, as this is generally a young QB issue. There was another chart I lost, but it showed DW4 has been the most pressured QB inside of 3 seconds from the snap.
Dak Prescott 13(34%)
Patrick Mahomes 9(45%)
Russell Wilson 8(23%)
Deshaun Watson 7(18%)
Mitchell Trubisky 7(36%)
Jared Goff 7(29%)
I added the percentages so you could see the percentage of each QBs sacks that they account for. I've been told at various points this year that the vast majority of sacks and hits Watson takes are his fault, even taking the 7 sacks that are on him out the remaining 30 still leave him as a top 10 most sacked QB. Pretty clear that he is in line, and actually better than some other young QBs, as this is generally a young QB issue. There was another chart I lost, but it showed DW4 has been the most pressured QB inside of 3 seconds from the snap.
I'm not so sure I've read much at all about so-called "inside source" either.
What I've read since then was how his players - from the Texans, to the Ravens, and the Broncos - have been saying that Kubiak is a players' coach, and some would run through walls for him.
I'll pull some articles when I have some time.
There are several of them.
Shishkabob
All Pro
I know his players loved him, I don't need sources lol. I just remember hearing a lot of people saying he lost that particular locker room. Doesn't mean those players hate him or anything, just they knew it wasn't working out for them. Again could have all been pure speculation by media members which they are prone to. I wasn't active on any Texans board then so I wasn't as in tune with the team as many of you who were around then.
I'd say media speculation since there's no real, concrete proof of it.
Actions speak louder than words.
Their plays on the field prove it.
As for words, I'd say when AJ speaks, people listen. And he had spoken about the situation with Kubiak more than once.
This latest one, when AJ spoke around the 4:47 mark, is really all one needs to know: "He's definitely somebody I'd always go to bat for".
https://omny.fm/shows/the-triple-threat/3t-andre-johnson-with-gary-kubiak-calling-in-04-21
I remember Andre Johnson was visibly upset with his own team.
I don't think that means Kubiak lost the locker room, but they weren't singing kumbaya.
Shishkabob
All Pro
I might be upset to if i knew I was on the back 9 of my career and I just saw my window for a ring slam shut
4th and 2 at the Raiders 3, trailing by 5.
1:15 to go in the fourth.
AJ ran one route; Schaub threw a different route.
Incomplete.
Texans only had one time out left.
Raiders knelt 3 times.
Game over.
Their play on the field proves it? 2-14 and fired all because Schaub got hurt and Kubiak couldn't/wouldn't develop Keenum.
Kubiak wanted to prove Schaub was the best option, even though he had already proved he wasn't... stubborn Aggie there
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Technically in that 2-14 season Schaub was benched for all the Pick-6's, not hurt. Then Yates continued with the Pick-6 Fest, so Keenum was a last resort.
Technically as well, McNair deciding to fire Kubiak isn't any kind of indication that he had lost the locker room. Nor is a 2-14 record indicative of the effort that individual players made that season.
Technically we dont know sh!t.
Technically why do we even make posts on this MB?
Technically you're wasting time.
Technically ..... etc....
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Technically at first it was 'kubiak lost the lockerroom' (whatever that means) now its Kubiak couldnt/wouldnt develop Keenum? LOL