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Any of you gonna admit to owing DW4 an apology?

watson just need better plays at the endzone. he should have more TD from last game. think he's playing great after missing all those games after knee injury. once he gets dust off little more he will get his TD lol. hope Texans can win 10 games this year. 11 games to go and if we can get endzone offense together then I think we can go 8-3 from here.
 
watt99x99 said:
watson just need better plays at the endzone. he should have more TD from last game. think he's playing great after missing all those games after knee injury. once he gets dust off little more he will get his TD lol. hope Texans can win 10 games this year. 11 games to go and if we can get endzone offense together then I think we can go 8-3 from here.
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8-3 may be optimistic, I put on my kool aid glasses to find them in the schedule. 7 game win streak?? I think much more likely we struggle to play .500 ball, but we can all dream that the defense gets better under RAC as usually does, and DW4 stays healthy and smart, and red zone works more back to the norm. Then someone controls gaffes from BOB. Lot needed to go right for the 8-3 dream, but Bortles started throwing his picks again and we dont know what injuries befall others

bills - W
@jags - L
dolphins prime time - W
@broncos - W
@redskins - W
tacks prime time - W
browns - W
colts - W
@jets - W
@eagles - L
jags - L
 
We will beat the Jags this time around. Lets not act like they are finally one of these world beaters now after one good season.

Look at how they are struggling now. They will be 3-3 after this weekend. Lol
 
DeGoat is about to hit his 2k18 stride .. he's going to carve up the Bills and go on a run that will make even the staunchest hater say 'hmm not bad' ... I will say this though .. Deshaun you owe EVERYBODY an apology for that horrible HEB commercial! CMON MY DUDE you can do better than that, no charisma, no emotion .. look at the sTros have fun with it LOL
 
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Odds are stacked against Watson a little bit, because the Bills haven't allowed anyone to throw for 300+ yards on them this year. But if he throws for 375+ this game he will be the first NFL QB to throw for 375+ yards in 4 consecutive games.
 
8. DESHAUN WATSON, HOUSTON TEXANS
PFF Overall Grade: 85.0

Watson’s passer rating has fallen from 103.0 a season ago (would’ve ranked third with enough snaps to qualify) to 94.6 this year (15th), but he’s actually playing better in 2018 on a throw-by-throw basis, as evidenced by a significant improvement from his 68.1 grade in 2017. He’s doing a better job taking care of the football this season and has shown significant improvement in the short and intermediate game. When targeting receivers beyond the line of scrimmage but less than 20 yards downfield last season, Watson had a 60.2 grade that was tied for fourth-worst. This year, that’s all the way up to 90.2, good for fourth-best.
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https://www.profootballfocus.com/ne...arting-quarterbacks-in-the-nfl-through-week-5
 
I owe DW4 an apology for the amount of time he is spending in a tub full of ice to recover from the body blows he's receiving because he's either not sliding or getting hit due to bad play calling or blocking.

:mariopalm:.
 
Uncle Rico said:
DeGoat is about to hit his 2k18 stride .. he's going to carve up the Bills and go on a run that will make even the staunchest hater say 'hmm not bad' ... I will say this though .. Deshaun you owe EVERYBODY an apology for that horrible HEB commercial! CMON MY DUDE you can do better than that, no charisma, no emotion .. look at the sTros have fun with it LOL
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So even though he sn't been able to make it thru a full eason healthy he's a GOAT. OK


Earl34 said:
I owe DW4 an apology for the amount of time he is spending in a tub full of ice to recover from the body blows he's receiving because he's either not sliding or getting hit due to bad play calling or blocking.

:mariopalm:.
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Most of the big hits he's taken hasn't been due to bad play calling.
 
The Trials And Tribulations Of Young Quarterbacks (ranking each QB's situation) - The Draft Network

In my opinion, these five factors should be prioritized in this order when evaluating the landing spot for a young quarterback. If the team he ends up on isn’t strong in at least a couple of these five areas, the odds of him succeeding are slim to none.

1. Offensive coaching/scheme

2. Offensive line/pass protection

3. Head coach/culture

4. Receivers/weapons

5. Defense


Deshaun Watson, Houston Texans
Offensive coaching/scheme – 4

I think Bill O’Brien has actually done a great job tailoring the offense to fit not only the talents of Watson, but also his receiving group. There is the occasional wild play call or bizarre deviation from a successful strategy, but as a schematic mind, I’m a fan of what O’Brien has done.

Offensive line/pass protection – 1

No quarterback in the league is as constantly under duress as Watson, despite the fact that his escapability is often a major strength in these situations. His offensive line is a disaster.


Head coach/culture – 3

The Texans have been remarkably stagnant over the past several years, posting three consecutive 9-7 seasons before a 4-12 injury-riddled campaign last year. O’Brien has been on the hot seat many times, but has continued to retain his position against the odds. If the team doesn’t make the playoffs this season, he’s probably gone.

Receivers/weapons – 4

The Texans have one of the worst rushing attacks in the NFL and no receiving threat out of the backfield, but their receiving corps is led by one of the best in the league in DeAndre Hopkins. Will Fuller has been a solid complementary piece and Keke Coutee looks like a chess piece that O’Brien can maximize schematically.

Defense – 3

The Texans have played well defensively so far this year, but a lot of their feature pieces are older and the best offenses they’ve faced have still given them a rough ride. Their schedule is remarkably easy the rest of the way this season, so the tough tests will be few and far between.

Summary (15/25)

Watson’s situation could definitely be worse, but his protection is the worst in the NFL, which has significantly impacted his ability to be consistent snap-to-snap and drive-to-drive. If the Texans fix his protection concerns, he could lock in as one of the better quarterbacks in the league.

As it stands currently, the fact that he has been clearly better than Trubisky despite a worse situation across the board and a far worse situation in the second most important category for young quarterbacks is incredibly telling.
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Every QB1’s projected end of season stats:

AFC EAST

Brady: 67.5% pct, 4434 yds, 30 TDs, 12 INTs

Peterman: 54.3% pct, 817 yds, 3 TDs, 19 INTs

Darnold: 55% pct, 3438 yds, 20 TDs, 25 INTs

Osweiler: 63.8% pct, 2482 yds, 14 TDs, 7 INTs

AFC SOUTH

Bortles: 60.3% pct, 4042 yds, 20 TDs, 8 INTs

Watson: 64.9% pct, 4247 yds, 30 TDs, 12 INTs

Luck: 65.8% pct, 4374 yds, 46 TDs, 16 INTs

Mariota: 66% pct, 2884 yds, 8 TDs, 14 INTs

AFC NORTH

Roethlisberger: 64.5% pct, 5120 yds, 32 TDs, 14 INTs

Flacco: 61.2% pct, 4936 yds, 24 TDs, 12 INTs

Dalton: 63.4% pct, 4204 yds, 34 TDs, 16 INTs

Mayfield: 60% pct, 3536 yds, 20 TDs, 14 INTs

AFC WEST

Rivers: 67.1% pct, 4472 yds, 38 TDs, 6 INTs

Keenum: 63.6% pct, 4267 yds, 20 TDs, 18 INTs

Carr: 72.3% pct, 4396 yds, 20 TDs, 16 INTs

Mahomes: 66.2% pct, 5157 yds, 52 TDs, 12 INTs

NFC EAST

Wentz: 70.7% pct, 4172 yds, 30 TDs, 5 INTs

Manning: 68.3% pct, 4754 yds, 16 TDs, 12 INTs

Smith: 63.5% pct, 3734 yds, 18 TDs, 6 INTs

Prescott: 62.1% pct, 3239 yds, 18 TDs, 9 INTs

NFC SOUTH

Ryan: 70.8% pct, 5370 yds, 38 TDs, 6 INTs

Newton: 67.3% pct, 4326 yds, 34 TDs, 9 INTs, 782 RuYds, 9 RuTDs

Brees: 76.3% pct, 4672 yds, 36 TDs, 2 INTs

Fitzpatrick: 66.3% pct, 4184 yds, 40 TDs, 16 INTs

NFC NORTH Cousins: 71.3% pct, 4773 yds, 30 TDs, 9 INTs

Stafford: 67.8% pct, 4222 yds, 28 TDs, 12 INTs

Trubisky: 64.2% pct, 3898 yds, 32 TDs, 14 INTs

Rodgers: 61.3% pct, 5084 yds, 30 TDs, 2 INTs

NFC WEST Mullens: 72.7% pct, 2096 yds, 24 TDs, 0 INTs

Rosen: 55.6% pct, 2501 yds, 12 TDs, 14 INTs

Goff: 67.9% pct, 5006 yds, 36 TDs, 11 INTs

Wilson: 66.1% pct, 3582 yds, 38 TDs, 10 INTs
 
zshawn10 said:
Every QB1’s projected end of season stats:

AFC EAST
Brady: 67.5% pct, 4434 yds, 30 TDs, 12 INTs
Peterman: 54.3% pct, 817 yds, 3 TDs, 19 INTs
Darnold: 55% pct, 3438 yds, 20 TDs, 25 INTs
Osweiler: 63.8% pct, 2482 yds, 14 TDs, 7 INTs

AFC SOUTH
Bortles: 60.3% pct, 4042 yds, 20 TDs, 8 INTs
Watson: 64.9% pct, 4247 yds, 30 TDs, 12 INTs
Luck: 65.8% pct, 4374 yds, 46 TDs, 16 INTs
Mariota: 66% pct, 2884 yds, 8 TDs, 14 INTs

AFC NORTH
Roethlisberger: 64.5% pct, 5120 yds, 32 TDs, 14 INTs
Flacco: 61.2% pct, 4936 yds, 24 TDs, 12 INTs
Dalton: 63.4% pct, 4204 yds, 34 TDs, 16 INTs
Mayfield: 60% pct, 3536 yds, 20 TDs, 14 INTs

AFC WEST
Rivers: 67.1% pct, 4472 yds, 38 TDs, 6 INTs
Keenum: 63.6% pct, 4267 yds, 20 TDs, 18 INTs
Carr: 72.3% pct, 4396 yds, 20 TDs, 16 INTs
Mahomes: 66.2% pct, 5157 yds, 52 TDs, 12 INTs

NFC EAST
Wentz: 70.7% pct, 4172 yds, 30 TDs, 5 INTs
Manning: 68.3% pct, 4754 yds, 16 TDs, 12 INTs
Smith: 63.5% pct, 3734 yds, 18 TDs, 6 INTs
Prescott: 62.1% pct, 3239 yds, 18 TDs, 9 INTs

NFC SOUTH
Ryan: 70.8% pct, 5370 yds, 38 TDs, 6 INTs
Newton: 67.3% pct, 4326 yds, 34 TDs, 9 INTs, 782 RuYds, 9 RuTDs
Brees: 76.3% pct, 4672 yds, 36 TDs, 2 INTs
Fitzpatrick: 66.3% pct, 4184 yds, 40 TDs, 16 INTs

NFC NORTH
Cousins: 71.3% pct, 4773 yds, 30 TDs, 9 INTs
Stafford: 67.8% pct, 4222 yds, 28 TDs, 12 INTs
Trubisky: 64.2% pct, 3898 yds, 32 TDs, 14 INTs
Rodgers: 61.3% pct, 5084 yds, 30 TDs, 2 INTs

NFC WEST
Mullens: 72.7% pct, 2096 yds, 24 TDs, 0 INTs
Rosen: 55.6% pct, 2501 yds, 12 TDs, 14 INTs
Goff: 67.9% pct, 5006 yds, 36 TDs, 11 INTs
Wilson: 66.1% pct, 3582 yds, 38 TDs, 10 INTs
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I didn't see Luck ending up with 46 TD passes until I double-checked and saw he was halfway there already
 
Uncle Rico said:
Watching Dak Prescott last night made me value Deshaun Watson that much more.
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I think Dak will get it together when Amari is assimilated into the offense. Beasely can be a beast, but he can't create for himself. He Robin.
 
Eventually this thread should die a quick and unnoticeable death and be moved into the better titled “DW after 16 games.”
 
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PFF HOU Texans@PFF_Texans

#Texans QB Deshaun Watson has been on
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the last two weeks. His stats & rank for Weeks 8 & 9:

- 90.4 passing grade (3rd)
- 7 TD (T-1st) 0 INTs
- completing 75% of passes (2nd)
- 10.3 YPA (T-1st)
- 109.5 passer rating under pressure (2nd)
- 155.9 passer rating when clean (2nd)

10:48 AM - Nov 7, 2018
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Those are some damn good numbers! Crazy because you can count this season as his sophomore season as well. I think there’s even better things coming ahead.
 
Ten general managers, five head coaches, 10 coordinators, 10 senior personnel executives, five QB coaches and 10 other coaches/execs comprised the 50-man panel. I re-polled five voters in recent days to see which quarterbacks were rising, falling or simply the most interesting in their eyes. Results and insights follow, but first, a quick refresher on each tier.
  • Tier 1: Can carry his team each week. The team wins because of him. He expertly handles pure passing situations.
  • Tier 2: Can carry his team sometimes but not as consistently. He can handle pure passing situations in doses and/or possesses other dimensions that are special enough to elevate him above Tier 3. He has a hole or two in his game.
  • Tier 3: A legitimate starter but needs a heavier running game and/or defense to win. A lower-volume passing offense makes his job easier.
  • Tier 4: Could be an unproven player with some upside or a veteran who is ultimately best suited as a backup.
  • Tier 5: Should not start under any circumstances.

RISERS

Patrick Mahomes, Kansas City Chiefs
2018 Tier: 4
Projected 2019 Tier: 1-2
When I asked one QB Tiers voters to update his offseason ballot, he sent back a screenshot of our conversation from the summer. "I need to reiterate," this message from June emphasized, "I really wanted to make Mahomes a 2, but by criteria, he is a 4." The fourth tier has been reserved for quarterbacks who either shouldn’t be starting for a full season or haven’t played enough for anyone to realistically evaluate them. Mahomes had made only one start, so voters placed him into the fourth tier as a matter of procedure. I probably should have excluded him from the survey to avoid confusion, but we wanted to have every team in the league represented. Some voters thought before the season that Mahomes would produce at a high level, but no one predicted he would have anything close to 29 touchdown passes, a 9.2-yard average per attempt, a 116.7 passer rating and 85.1 Total QBR through nine games. Even voters who loved Mahomes thought he might throw too many interceptions this season. One said he thought Kansas City would initially miss having steady veteran Alex Smith. Not the case, obviously. "You always want to see more," a voter said over the weekend, "but you go to his game at New England and you see more. You see him trading score for score with one of the greatest players to ever play. Not bad. He makes plays on schedule, makes plays off schedule, commands the offense. He just has to keep doing it, and he has to have the comeback wins." Mahomes led a comeback victory at Denver. He has played so well to this point that Kansas City hasn’t needed many comebacks. "He is playing like a one," another voter said. "I knew he was going to be great, but I didn’t know he was going to be this great this early. He is pretty special. I think he is Aaron Rodgers with a [warmer] personality. He makes the same throws. There are only a couple guys that can do it with accuracy and velocity from any arm slot." Just as there is the Sean McVay factor with Goff, there is the Andy Reid factor with Mahomes. And the Kareem Hunt factor, the Tyreek Hill factor, the Sammy Watkins factor, the Travis Kelce factor, etc. "Reid’s offense is quarterback-friendly, and they get a good visual before letting it go," another voter said. "When [Donovan] McNabb left him, McNabb all of a sudden couldn’t play quarterback in the NFL. You know what, though? You can go ahead and make Mahomes a one. I think he’s like [Brett] Favre. They have that mentality, the short memory. The other thing I really like about Mahomes — and obviously they are 8-1 [now 9-1], so that helps — the guy is having fun. The kid is spinning it all over the field, and he has a big smile on his face."

Jared Goff, Los Angeles Rams
2018 Tier: 3
Projected 2019 Tier: 2
Goff has picked up where he left off last season, which is what some QB Tiers voters wanted to see before pushing him into the second tier. "I don’t want to compare him to Hall of Fame guys, but sometimes you see him Joe Montana-ish with his placement, accuracy and just putting the ball where it needs to go," one evaluator said. "For the Rams, it is all tied in with the coach, the runner playing as well as he is playing and then having that accurate quarterback." Evaluating Goff as a rookie in 2016 required adjusting for a worst-case scenario in terms of all-around support. Evaluating Goff now requires adjusting for the perfect situation. How would he perform if everything around him were average? The Rams have no way of knowing, and no plans to find out, although rewarding quarterbacks with expensive second contracts is usually a sure way to find out, given the drain it puts on other resources. For now, Goff will be making the best of a great situation. "Their run game ties to their pass game, so when he is making these throws, they are very accurate, but he is getting them with some big windows because of that run game," another voter said. All agreed that next frontier for Goff is demonstrating over time an ability to thrive on third down and when the Rams are trailing. "It is a perfect marriage between quarterback and playcaller," another voter said. "That is the most important relationship in any NFL building. It is even more powerful when the playcaller is the head coach. You can put Goff as a solid two. I have not seen enough come-from-behind work. It is a process. You work on that area, you have a chance to become a one."

Deshaun Watson, Houston Texans
2018 Tier: bottom of 2
Projected 2019 Tier: middle of 2
Voters placed Watson at the very bottom of the second tier heading into the season (he and Jimmy Garoppolo got more votes in the second tier than any other, but their overall averages were more in line with upper reaches of the third tier). Voters liked what they saw from Watson as a rookie, but they wanted to see how he bounced back from a torn ACL. They weren’t sure he could hold up for a full season while playing behind a weak offensive line and inviting punishment with his playing style. Some also thought Watson’s interceptions might spike based on how willingly he threw passes into coverage. Watson’s interception rate has actually fallen this season. "The guy is just a playmaker," an evaluator who placed Watson in the second tier said. "He can look bad, and then when they need a play made, he will make one. He is dangerous out of the pocket — he is looking to throw, not run, and he is accurate when he is outside the pocket. The problem is he takes too many hits. He could wear down." Watson’s numbers through nine games this season are in line with his numbers in the six-plus games he played last season. His completion percentage is a little higher. His yards per attempt, touchdown-to-interception ratio and passer rating are about the same. His adjusted net yards per attempt is identical. His QBR is lower because he has added less value as a rusher while taking costlier sacks. Another voter placed Watson in the fourth tier heading into the season not as a slight, but because he didn’t think there was enough information. This voter also stressed after watching Watson in multiple games that the quarterback gets hit too frequently. ESPN charting shows Watson’s contact rate above 20 percent, behind only Josh Allen and Marcus Mariota this season. Those QBs have already missed time. "Can Watson win playing like that? [Cam] Newton proves he can, if he can hold up," this voter said. "You can go back to Steve Young or Brett Favre and a bunch of guys who do a lot of things off-schedule early in their careers. They don’t yet have an appreciation for timing and how fast the NFL defenders are."

Andy Dalton, Cincinnati Bengals
2018 Tier: 3
Projected 2019 Tier: 3
Two of the five voters moved up Dalton one tier. One of those voters elevated him into the second. The other moved him from the fourth into the third. There has been no fundamental shift in how coaches and evaluators view Dalton, however. Voters either think he belongs in the lower second or upper third tier as a quarterback who produces at a second-tier level when the supporting cast around him is strong enough. "They have lost games because of their defense, not because of him," one voter said before the Bengals’ 51-14 defeat Sunday. "He is seeing things, trusting and delivering it pretty accurately. Now we are in November, and the weather is going to change. If he finishes as a two, they will go to the playoffs. If he reverts to a three, they will not."

FALLERS

Jameis Winston, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
2018 Tier: 3
Projected 2019 Tier: 3-4
All five voters dropped Winston into the fourth tier, which means they see him as someone best suited as a backup. The Buccaneers agreed when they benched Winston. "He loves to throw it to the other team," one voter said. "That doesn’t work in this league at any level. He is obviously frustrating his head coach." Winston’s 10 interceptions on 148 attempts this season equates to a 6.8 interception rate. That is the highest single-season rate for a player with at least 148 attempts since Gus Frerotte had 12 picks on 167 attempts (7.2 percent) in 2007. "From the crab-legs incident in college to the Uber incident in the NFL, can he come back from that?" another voter said. "He should sign with someone like Kansas City. Come be Mahomes’ backup and see if Andy Reid can revive him and then trade him for a pick."

Dak Prescott, Dallas Cowboys
2018 Tier: 3
Projected 2019 Tier: 3
Three of the five voters dropped Prescott by one tier, but their new votes produced an average basically in line with the average for the full contingent of 50 voters this past summer. "He is playing like a four," one of the voters said. "I’ve studied him, and he is not accurate enough from the pocket. He needs play-action throws with big windows. The offense right now doesn’t fit him. They are trying to make him a pure pocket passer." Prescott reached the season’s midpoint with a QBR just below 50, which represents average. "Is it him or having no weapons?" another voter asked. "He has no center, he lost his already struggling rookie guard and their weapons were so bad, they gave up a first-round pick for Amari Cooper." I asked this voter whether the criticisms about accuracy from the pocket were fair. "Yes, I think that’s fair, so probably off this year, he is a three," this voter said. "I don’t think he can ever become a one, but I think he can be a two."

Derek Carr, Oakland Raiders
2018 Tier: 2
Projected 2019 Tier: 3, with a chance to go lower
Two years ago, when a sizable chunk of voters saw Carr as a talented young player with a shot at ascending toward the top tier, a small group of detractors steadfastly contended he would always wilt under pressure. That was the knock on Carr coming out of college: He wouldn’t stand tough in the pocket against the rush, some said — and that is the knock on him now. One voter said he saw Carr "flinching" late in a recent game against Indianapolis. "He gets the ball with three minutes left [against Indy] and goes checkdown, checkdown, checkdown, and then on fourth down, he throws a corner route 8 yards out of bounds," a different voter said. "There are a lot of ways to lead as a quarterback, and you don’t have to be vocal. Part of it is the linemen see the physical toughness in the quarterback and how he responds. Derek Carr can throw the ball as pretty as anyone, but so could Jeff George." There are, of course, huge mitigating factors. Carr is adjusting to a new offensive scheme without anything close to the supporting casts that have helped Goff and Mahomes light up scoreboards. Carr’s head coach has dismantled the roster. His aging offensive line has fallen apart. Running back Marshawn Lynch is out. The Raiders’ defense is terrible. "No one says it’s easy to play for Jon Gruden, including the guys who played for him," another voter said. "You can plausibly understand where this young man is probably being handled in a more strict and directive way. It takes some adjustment." This voter watched the end of the Indy game and wasn’t as alarmed as some others. "I got to look at that San Francisco game last week," this voter said. "Carr is climbing the pocket and getting immediately sacked. When the tackle is beat cleanly and you step up and your guards get driven back and the world closes in on you and you are pinched like a piece of ham in a sandwich, I’m pretty sure about 29 of 32 quarterbacks go down." One of the five voters initially left Carr in the second tier. "I might be late to react," he explained, "but a guy rarely falls from grace like that without some sort of external catastrophe." This voter then called back after watching Carr throw the ball away on fourth down in the late going against Indy. It was enough for him to drop Carr into the third tier for now.

Eli Manning, New York Giants
2018 Tier: 3
Projected 2019 Tier: 4
Four of the five voters dropped Manning by one tier. Their overall criticisms were not as pointed as I was anticipating. "I’ve seen him throw some go routes where you are like, ‘Damn, that is like the old Eli, not Old Eli,’" this voter said. "I do think he needs to be replaced there, but I think he can be a three on another team." Manning’s 39.8 QBRis his lowest through eight games since 2006, the first year QBR data was available. His yards per attempt (7.6) is his highest through eight games since 2012. His passes have gained more than 15 yards on 15.9 percent of attempts, his highest eight-game rate since 2011. But his 2.5 percent rate of touchdowns is by far his lowest. "He is playing like a four right now," another voter said. "I am not as down on him as some. I think it is a combination of a lot of things. The protection is awful, and it is showing up. Eli will never be a two again, but I do think he can be a three, and I think you can still win with him. I was watching their offense the other day and a lot of their problems are up front."

http://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/sto...ck-mahomes-jared-goff-derek-carr-dak-prescott
 
I’m seriously concerned for Watson’s well being after seeing our offensive linemen (which aren’t that good to begin with) drop like flies and it ain’t even half time. Lawwwd be with him!
 
infantrycak said:
OB said they'd put a TE at G.
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I originally guessed Weeks could be used at C, then kick Martin to G, then (if needed) Rankins to T. But after thinking about it, Weeks probably knows zero offensive plays. At least the TEs know the play and may know the responsibility of the guard.
 
dream_team said:
I originally guessed Weeks could be used at C, then kick Martin to G, then (if needed) Rankins to T. But after thinking about it, Weeks probably knows zero offensive plays. At least the TEs know the play and may know the responsibility of the guard.
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I wish OBrien would do what my HS coach would do to the linemen who wouldnt block. He would put those big boys at QB or RB and then put the QB and RB on the line and then run the play. Watching a QB get trucked by a DT on his way to sack a 300 LB QB was the things I lived for back then it was a beautiful thing to watch a big ol' 300 lb baby crying because he got lit up by the defender and nobody blocked for him. "Do you understand now" is what coach would say and then the line started blocking better. Fun times.
 
TheKDog said:
I'm extremely concerned that OBrien is ruining Watson.
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I don't see how that is the case.

He has no offensive line. Watson has improved from the 10-19 yard territory and leads the league in deep out completion percentage.

He is improving intermediately all while his completion percentage and interception percentage has gone down.

Improvement.
 
TheKDog said:
I'm extremely concerned that OBrien is ruining Watson.
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What's BOB doing to ruin Watson? Give specific examples.

The lack of protection is what's killing Watson.

Could BOB do a few things differently to help Watson such as using a short passing game or using a RB/TE to chip whoever Davenport is blocking yes. But it's really a talent issue on the OL that's going to ruin Watson.

BTW, they played 2 really good defenses the last 2 weeks. Playoff type defenses.
 
steelbtexan said:
What's BOB doing to ruin Watson? Give specific examples.

The lack of protection is what's killing Watson.

Could BOB do a few things differently to help Watson such as using a short passing game or using a RB/TE to chip whoever Davenport is blocking yes. But it's really a talent issue on the OL that's going to ruin Watson.

BTW, they played 2 really good defenses the last 2 weeks. Playoff type defenses.
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Biggest thing for me would be freezing .. going into turtle mode. Have faith in you QB, he's the best playmaker you have. Far too often those 'must have' downs are relegated to the same inside dive, or the same unimaginative pass route on an easily schemable down and distance set. If Watson had any of the other top tier offensive minds in the league right now he would be fulfilling the whole "Michael Jordan" thing. He takes a vanilla offensive plan and turns it into a sundae. If you feel so strongly that Obrien is developing this QB properly then how is that? with examples? His scheme and stubborn need for 'balance' tends to not maximize momentum. No killer instinct on game day, just in interviews and in practice.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Biggest thing for me would be freezing .. going into turtle mode. Have faith in you QB, he's the best playmaker you have. Far too often those 'must have' downs are relegated to the same inside dive, or the same unimaginative pass route on an easily schemable down and distance set. If Watson had any of the other top tier offensive minds in the league right now he would be fulfilling the whole "Michael Jordan" thing. He takes a vanilla offensive plan and turns it into a sundae. If you feel so strongly that Obrien is developing this QB properly then how is that? with examples? His scheme and stubborn need for 'balance' tends to not maximize momentum. No killer instinct on game day, just in interviews and in practice.
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Why do we run that same dive play? if he wanted be a power running why would he even cut Jay? we dont even have the personnel to run the way we do.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Biggest thing for me would be freezing .. going into turtle mode. Have faith in you QB, he's the best playmaker you have. Far too often those 'must have' downs are relegated to the same inside dive, or the same unimaginative pass route on an easily schemable down and distance set. If Watson had any of the other top tier offensive minds in the league right now he would be fulfilling the whole "Michael Jordan" thing. He takes a vanilla offensive plan and turns it into a sundae. If you feel so strongly that Obrien is developing this QB properly then how is that? with examples? His scheme and stubborn need for 'balance' tends to not maximize momentum. No killer instinct on game day, just in interviews and in practice.
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BOB not having killer instinct (which bothers me but didn't seem to do the same to Kubiak supporters who didn't have an issue when Kubiak did exactly the same thing) isn't going to ruin Watson.

What will ruin Watson is getting injured (Punctured lung) playing behind a crap OL.
 
Jadmakaveli said:
Why do we run that same dive play? if he wanted be a power running why would he even cut Jay? we dont even have the personnel to run the way we do.
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Million dollar questions bro. Id wonder why these cocky coaches wouldnt even bring in AP for a chat since thats the guy who could run this brick wall running scheme the best, but hey why not ruin Lamar Millers career right? Like you said earlier read option with Watson KILLED IT last year, teams get stuck in the mud with that attack and they rarely employ it, instead those scientists thought it would be cool to run the old college option and expose Watson to an unblocked edge defender. Crazy stuff.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Million dollar questions bro. Id wonder why these cocky coaches wouldnt even bring in AP for a chat since thats the guy who could run this brick wall running scheme the best, but hey why not ruin Lamar Millers career right? Like you said earlier read option with Watson KILLED IT last year, teams get stuck in the mud with that attack and they rarely employ it, instead those scientists thought it would be cool to run the old college option and expose Watson to an unblocked edge defender. Crazy stuff.
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Yea we didn't even entertain the thought of trying to get AP KNOWING D'ONTA would be hurt majority of the year. but we try to run a scheme that doesn't fit the players, and don't even try to run it anymore.
 
steelbtexan said:
What's BOB doing to ruin Watson? Give specific examples.

The lack of protection is what's killing Watson.

Could BOB do a few things differently to help Watson such as using a short passing game or using a RB/TE to chip whoever Davenport is blocking yes. But it's really a talent issue on the OL that's going to ruin Watson.

BTW, they played 2 really good defenses the last 2 weeks. Playoff type defenses.
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First is the OL. OBriens shuffling of davenport, Lamm and Rankin resulted in Watson playing banged up and also probably has him worrying too much about the rush.

Second is the vanilla system. Mahomes and Goff are growing up in extremely creative systems with unique playcalling. Watson is simply not learning some of the more advanced plays in today's NFL.

Third is OBrien making him too conversative. Yes he should limit interceptions and bad throws, but he should still be making plenty of deep bombs like in his rookie year. Its like OBrien has told him to stop. Also there are ways to run conservatively like Russell Wilson does, but that's been non existent lately
 
TheKDog said:
First is the OL. OBriens shuffling of davenport, Lamm and Rankin resulted in Watson playing banged up and also probably has him worrying too much about the rush.

Second is the vanilla system. Mahomes and Goff are growing up in extremely creative systems with unique playcalling. Watson is simply not learning some of the more advanced plays in today's NFL.

Third is OBrien making him too conversative. Yes he should limit interceptions and bad throws, but he should still be making plenty of deep bombs like in his rookie year. Its like OBrien has told him to stop. Also there are ways to run conservatively like Russell Wilson does, but that's been non existent lately
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1st, even you would admit the OL isn't talented enough and Devlin was trying to get the best guys on the field.

2nd Look at the Rams/Chiefs OL's and get back to me.

3. I agree with you about BOB's conservative ways. BTW, It's hard to throw deep balls when the OL doesn't give Watson time. I personally think they should go to a short passing game to keep Watson healthy since they aren't going to win a SB next yr anyways.
 
steelbtexan said:
BOB not having killer instinct (which bothers me but didn't seem to do the same to Kubiak supporters who didn't have an issue when Kubiak did exactly the same thing) isn't going to ruin Watson.

What will ruin Watson is getting injured (Punctured lung) playing behind a crap OL.
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those egregious errors in management and trust in your #1 guy have a longer lasting psychological effect than a nuts and bolts surface level answer like 'the offensive line' while it does play its big part, but still Watson has found success with a bad line, and Watson has enjoyed some of the most time per throw in the NFL, some self inflicted 'held it too long' plays mixed in on his own poor decision making. On 3rd and 1 dont just run a dive, put the ball in Watsons hands and I think people can live with the results easier than just going into 'not lose mode' because instead of the this QB guru whisperer guy Obrien is turning into the NFL's premier Punter developer.
 
steelbtexan said:
1st, even you would admit the OL isn't talented enough and Devlin was trying to get the best guys on the field.

2nd Look at the Rams/Chiefs OL's and get back to me.

3. I agree with you about BOB's conservative ways. BTW, It's hard to throw deep balls when the OL doesn't give Watson time. I personally think they should go to a short passing game to keep Watson healthy since they aren't going to win a SB next yr anyways.
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I agree with you on the OL. The talent isn't there.

I think they can still manufacture deep routes with more motion and play action

But I don't really trust OBrien to find that talent, and we already gave up a 4th for a WR who saw one target last game.
 
TheKDog said:
I agree with you on the OL. The talent isn't there.

I think they can still manufacture deep routes with more motion and play action

But I don't really trust OBrien to find that talent, and we already gave up a 4th for a WR who saw one target last game.
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Obriens response to DT being a non factor was pretty comical to me too "well the routes just weren't going in his (Thomas) direction" ... ummm what? LOL cmon man get the guy involved.
 
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