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Anthony Weaver, Houston Texans DC

JB

Old Curmudgeon
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There are a couple of posters here that take it as a personal attack when anyone criticizes O’Brien. Any post that doesn’t praise him gets referred to as a “shot” towards them. It’s not that we’re sick and tired of being thoroughly embarrassed in the playoffs due to his ineptitude, no. We’re just obviously taking “pot shots” at them. The 6, going on 7 years of mediocrity have nothing to do with anything in their warped, frail little minds.
So are you saying that CnD was taking shots or that TB74 is a sensitive OB supporter?
 

EllisUnit

Trump 2020
Does it matter who we hire ? All they are is another finger puppet for Obriens fat ass fingers.... Oh and BTW has anyone heard from our/new current owner ? Bob Mcnair is still giving more interviews than his son :shades:
 

PapaL

Loose Screw
Doesn’t blow me away but I’ll take my chances w the new guy over the same old bend and break defense. After yet another disappointing season, my standards are low. Like end of the night at the club and the lights are about to come on. Nothing will change until OB gone.
 

NastyNate

I go kerplunk
Do we have the talent or draft capital for any DC hire to succeed in 2020? I don't believe we do. The GM has gutted this team of talent and it's going to be bleak for a few years until we have those picks available. Outside of Watt, I can't name an above average defender. We have a bunch of jags.
 

steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
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Do we have the talent or draft capital for any DC hire to succeed in 2020? I don't believe we do. The GM has gutted this team of talent and it's going to be bleak for a few years until we have those picks available. Outside of Watt, I can't name an above average defender. We have a bunch of jags.
They have cap space too and fa's. Walter Football said rumor going around was they were looking at signing the Jags FA and they brought in a CFL star for a tryout. They also basically have a pick in every Rd besides the 1st Rd. So they have resources to add talent.

You wouldn't say Cunningham/Reid/McKinney/ Reader are above avg?
 
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Uncle Rico

Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Doesn’t blow me away but I’ll take my chances w the new guy over the same old bend and break defense. After yet another disappointing season, my standards are low. Like end of the night at the club and the lights are about to come on. Nothing will change until OB gone.
i hear ya Papa, but Bill Belichek couldnt do anything with the JAGS we have on the defensive side. Until there is a talent injection on that side it will be one of the worst units in football, no scheme can overcome how bad they are. Cut Roby, Conley, Hargreaves, McKinney, Mercilus (whoops) and restock with better players. Watt is done. Reid needs a new shoulder. Gipson broke his back (literally).

OBrien completely destroyed that side of the ball. It will take YEARS to get it back to where it was, and maybe thats what OBrien intended all along.
 

Bugman7star

Veteran
Do we have the talent or draft capital for any DC hire to succeed in 2020? I don't believe we do. The GM has gutted this team of talent and it's going to be bleak for a few years until we have those picks available. Outside of Watt, I can't name an above average defender. We have a bunch of jags.
It would take a very smart, experienced DC to pull this off. However, RAC couldn't do it with what we currently have. Weaver is new to the role so common sense would point to him struggling given our current situation. We can only hope that he has some wickedly advanced defensive mind and he will now unleash his genius and terrorize opposing offenses. Not likely, but all we can do is hope...
 

steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
Contributor's Club
Draft choices are reflection of talent shown in college and projected in the NFL.... obviously if that is the case, we have some major busts on our hands.
Look at who drafted all of those defensive guys. Not surprising unless you want to blame RAC.
 

Mr teX

Hall of Fame
They have cap space too and fa's. Walter Football said rumor going around was they were looking at signing the Jags FA and they brought in a CFL star for a tryout. They also basically have a pick in every Rd besides the 1st Rd. So they have resources to add talent.

You wouldn't say Cunningham/Reid/McKinney/ Reader are above avg?
More hyperbole from the chicken littles. This defense is basically 1 stud pass rusher away from being pretty good again & i would approach FA 1 of 2 ways if i were the texans.

Either I would resign Roby, & go after Shaq Barrett....Maybe kick the tires on Ngakoue...unfortunately that would probably mean Reader walks.

or i would go all in on the secondary & resign Roby, bring in someone like Troy Hill to play the slot which i think would leave Conley on the outside where i think he plays best. Then i would just hope like hell Lonnie Johnson Jr. has grown up a little in his 2nd year. Then I would bring in a 2nd tier edge guy like Bud Dupree or Van Noy....Someone who can get quick pressure off the edge to couple with Mercy.

I think this would free up the draft for us to go BPA in the 2nd.
 

Texecutioner

Hall of Fame
Do we have the talent or draft capital for any DC hire to succeed in 2020? I don't believe we do. The GM has gutted this team of talent and it's going to be bleak for a few years until we have those picks available. Outside of Watt, I can't name an above average defender. We have a bunch of jags.
He didn't gut this team of talent. He gutted this team of draft capital to replace talent with.
 

ubecool454

Veteran
Ten Things to Know on Texans Defensive Coordinator Anthony Weaver
Patrick D. Starr
2 hours ago

The Houston Texans will move Anthony Weaver as their new defensive coordinator for the 2020 season, which will mark the third different coordinator under Bill O'Brien since 2014. Weaver has been with the Texans since 2016 as the defensive line coach, and now he is set to run the defense this coming season.

Weaver has no previous experience as a defensive coordinator, but he will have Romeo Crennel inside the building to lean on throughout the season.


[/QUOTE WTF?
 

ubecool454

Veteran
#2 fact about Weaver threw me off. He doesn't look Samoan and he damn sure isn't Irish. He did play for the Irish though.
 

Uncle Rico

Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Not in the slightest. Maybe Cunningham because of his coverage ability, but the rest are extremely average.
you'll catch some slack about McKinney, but he's fallen off the cliff since he got his money and is the worst cover LB in football - JAG
they'll tell you that Reader is some kind of "must keep" and he's on "lists" - and yet this team decided to pay Whitney "one sack per month" Mercilus over DJ Reader that should tell you enough.

you are right - Zach Cunningham is the best defender we have, Reid a close second. Zach will get the recognition he deserves next year, but if you break down his numbers he's at the top of the league among ILBs.

you could blow up the entire secondary and probably field a better unit with street FAs and late round draft picks.
 

disaacks3

Moderator
Staff member
This MB has become much more dysfunctional than either the Texans defense or offense.:toropalm:
Nah, we're just getting to the point of putting the Fun in DysFUNction.

We'll always have folks who disagree. Some will do so with facts and logic, others with just their hearts. While we might all prefer a bit more reasoned discourse, we wouldn't want to turn into an echo chamber.
 
Nah, we're just getting to the point of putting the Fun in DysFUNction.

We'll always have folks who disagree. Some will do so with facts and logic, others with just their hearts. While we might all prefer a bit more reasoned discourse, we wouldn't want to turn into an echo chamber.
Since when did disregarding facts and logic and arguing with "just their hearts" become a good thing? :mcnugget:
 

NastyNate

I go kerplunk
1 of those guys is listed a the top 50 best available FA (#24) and universally regarded as 1 of the best young talents at his position.

Another was a 2nd team all pro in his 2nd season

Neither of those was for Zach Cunningham.
Coming from the biggest koolaid sipping fan on this board, I'm okay with that. The fact that you're so adamant to defend average players on a below average defense tells me everything I already knew.
 

Mr teX

Hall of Fame
Coming from the biggest koolaid sipping fan on this board, I'm okay with that. The fact that you're so adamant to defend average players on a below average defense tells me everything I already knew.


1579634125595.png 2nd team all pro is avg now?

the guy you highlight as possibly above average is arguably the worst of the group of players he listed....but ok.

As putrid as they were this year, there are a few good pieces on this defense.
 

Mr teX

Hall of Fame
I feel like you're not watching the all-22.
I feel like you're throwing the baby out with the bath water.

The All-22 isn't going to look good for any of these guys on defense..They were on the whole, terrible & the whole was definitely not greater than the sum of the parts. You can watch the All-22 and see Cunningham missing a ton of tackles he should make. Still doesn't mean that he or the other 3 guys listed aren't above average players at their individual positions...That's a relatively low bar to clear which is what we're talking about here not that they were all 1st team all-pros.
 

JB

Old Curmudgeon
Contributor's Club
I feel like you're throwing the baby out with the bath water.

The All-22 isn't going to look good for any of these guys on defense..They were on the whole, terrible & the whole was definitely not greater than the sum of the parts. You can watch the All-22 and see Cunningham missing a ton of tackles he should make. Still doesn't mean that he or the other 3 guys listed aren't above average players at their individual positions...That's a relatively low bar to clear which is what we're talking about here not that they were all 1st team all-pros.
The entire top players played how long together? Like the OL, the back 7 especially have to have a level of communication that excels in order for the defense to excel

One of the hardest things for any fan MB to understand is that you can't have all pro's at every position
 

disaacks3

Moderator
Staff member
Since when did disregarding facts and logic and arguing with "just their hearts" become a good thing? :mcnugget:
Who said it was a good thing? I've personally spent hours debating faulty "eyeball" observations with cold hard facts and player comparisons to no avail.
That said, all fans mix a bit of passion with their observations. It's what makes us fans to begin with.
 

steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
Contributor's Club
Reader I'll give you. Reid is still living off of last year's hype. He has had a lot of misplayed routes this year where he has to aggressively correct to even have a chance at the ball. He's solid but nothing special.
Alot of this was due to Reid's shoulder injury and he was still above average. That stop against Fournette on the GL with a bum shoulder is the kind of guy on my team.
 
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Speedy

Yeller Dweller
The defense is full of 1st and 2nd round draft choices at all three levels, but somehow the Texans have a massive talent problem :confused:
An oft-injured Watt.
An 85 year old Joseph.
A whatever it is you get out of Mercilus.
A Roby who missed 6 games and likely won't be back.
Mingo, who's mainly a Teams guy.
Lonnie Johnson, who hasn't been very good but will give him the KJax benefit of doubt.
Hargreaves, eh.
Conley, who's actually been pretty good.
And then Cunningham and McKinney. I think Zach was a Pro-Bowl snub this year, and B-Mac is OK, nothing special.

There's your 1st and 2nd rounders. And as someone said, your draft position is just a reflection of your college success and projections. That doesn't always translate at the next level. In fact, it doesn't quite a bit.
 

Norg

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what did our defense dol wrong on the KC game ..??? other then not able to cover kelcie and letting mahomes out of the pocket

it just seemed our lbers we getiing beat like a drum???
 

Carr Bombed

Hall of Fame
Do we have the talent or draft capital for any DC hire to succeed in 2020? I don't believe we do. The GM has gutted this team of talent and it's going to be bleak for a few years until we have those picks available. Outside of Watt, I can't name an above average defender. We have a bunch of jags.
Zach Cunningham??? Justin Ried.. Zach Cunningham might be our best defender on the team now.
 

welsh texan

All Pro
Seems he’s done a good job with our DL over the last few years. We’ve had a bunch of no-names rotating in and out and the DL itself has always looked good.

I’ll give this hire a chance, but I do worry about the foundations of this team as they seem to have a huge talent black hole in the secondary and OLB is also a big big problem.

They can’t fix all of that through the draft in one year and seemingly have too many expensive resignings to make to address it with sure-fire free agents.

That means the coaching is going to have to be the difference maker.

The O looked closer than the D vs The Chiefs. If Watson improves and the line grows together, then a D we can lean on could be the ticket to a deep run next January.
(Id have cleaned house personally but will hope for the best as it’s 8 months till kickoff!)
 

Mr teX

Hall of Fame
Zach Cunningham??? Justin Ried.. Zach Cunningham might be our best defender on the team now.
what exactly are ya'll basing him being the best defender on the team on?

Zach Cunningham PFF Player grades since entering the league:

2017 - 66.6
2018 - 65.6
2019 - 69.0

Benardrick McKinney PFF Player grades since entering the league:

2015 - 76.5
2016 - 73.0
2017 - 69.0
2018 - 81.3
2019 - 66.4

By those grades, Cunningham's best year was McKinney's 2nd worst year.

I like Zach...I actually do think he's above average..but it's razor thin. Yeah, he's our best cover LB and his PFF grade is like 3 pts better than Mckinney's this year...but that doesn't say a whole lot considering our run defense was still largely trash (that goes on him & Mckinney) and he's barely better in coverage. You would think that our coverage LB would make the most plays while in coverage of all our LB core, but nope..that would be Mercy. Yeah, he made a ton of tackles this year, 2nd in the league amongst LBs...but that doesn't say alot..Morlon Greenwood used to make a ton of tackles too & he was...... not very good.

I see the same things from Cunningham that i saw from him in college; When he can get there he's bringing you down...but the illusion most people fall victim to when watching him is his long arms can usually get him within arms reach of many more tackles. but he always seems to be just a step behind or the runner is just outside of his grasp. He also doesn't make a ton of plays for a guy that's in the mix as much as he is either.
 

NastyNate

I go kerplunk
what exactly are ya'll basing him being the best defender on the team on?

Zach Cunningham PFF Player grades since entering the league:

2017 - 66.6
2018 - 65.6
2019 - 69.0

Benardrick McKinney PFF Player grades since entering the league:

2015 - 76.5
2016 - 73.0
2017 - 69.0
2018 - 81.3
2019 - 66.4

By those grades, Cunningham's best year was McKinney's 2nd worst year.

I like Zach...I actually do think he's above average..but it's razor thin. Yeah, he's our best cover LB and his PFF grade is like 3 pts better than Mckinney's this year...but that doesn't say a whole lot considering our run defense was still largely trash (that goes on him & Mckinney) and he's barely better in coverage. You would think that our coverage LB would make the most plays while in coverage of all our LB core, but nope..that would be Mercy. Yeah, he made a ton of tackles this year, 2nd in the league amongst LBs...but that doesn't say alot..Morlon Greenwood used to make a ton of tackles too & he was...... not very good.

I see the same things from Cunningham that i saw from him in college; When he can get there he's bringing you down...but the illusion most people fall victim to when watching him is his long arms can usually get him within arms reach of many more tackles. but he always seems to be just a step behind or the runner is just outside of his grasp. He also doesn't make a ton of plays for a guy that's in the mix as much as he is either.

Okay I concede, they're both average. Extremely average.
 

Texansballer74

Hall of Fame
what exactly are ya'll basing him being the best defender on the team on?

Zach Cunningham PFF Player grades since entering the league:

2017 - 66.6
2018 - 65.6
2019 - 69.0

Benardrick McKinney PFF Player grades since entering the league:

2015 - 76.5
2016 - 73.0
2017 - 69.0
2018 - 81.3
2019 - 66.4

By those grades, Cunningham's best year was McKinney's 2nd worst year.

I like Zach...I actually do think he's above average..but it's razor thin. Yeah, he's our best cover LB and his PFF grade is like 3 pts better than Mckinney's this year...but that doesn't say a whole lot considering our run defense was still largely trash (that goes on him & Mckinney) and he's barely better in coverage. You would think that our coverage LB would make the most plays while in coverage of all our LB core, but nope..that would be Mercy. Yeah, he made a ton of tackles this year, 2nd in the league amongst LBs...but that doesn't say alot..Morlon Greenwood used to make a ton of tackles too & he was...... not very good.

I see the same things from Cunningham that i saw from him in college; When he can get there he's bringing you down...but the illusion most people fall victim to when watching him is his long arms can usually get him within arms reach of many more tackles. but he always seems to be just a step behind or the runner is just outside of his grasp. He also doesn't make a ton of plays for a guy that's in the mix as much as he is either.
Cunningham 146 CMB 99 TOT 43 AST
B-Mac 101 CMB 54 TOT 47 AST

The last two years Cunningham has lead this team in tackles. PFF is not a great tool to use all the times.
 


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