Another outsiders view of the Texans situation

[thunderkyss]

I think he will be in the right position to elevate his game. if he cant elevate his game.. then I will be right there with you saying we need to replace him. This just isnt the time.

This IMHO is the best reason to draft Vince Young. Maybe Carr will be able to pull his career back on track, maybe he won't. If it is determined that Rangon has the talent to get the team into the playoffs, then fine..... but if we thought that, WTF is Tony Banks still doing here, and playing ahead of Rangon??

I say draft Vince, as an insurance policy. If Carr can't get it done, (& I've said to give him the first 8 games) the season is a wash anyway. Throw Vince in their, and let him learn the second half of the season. Just because we sign Vince, doesn't mean that we are giving up on Carr, or that Carr is out of Houston. It just means he is expendable, which may be the kick in the pants he needs. If Carr get's us into the playoffs, great..... we keep him another year. IF he plays well, but we miss the playoffs, we cut our losses, and trade him. If he stinks up those first eight games, we bench him, put in Vince. This is the worse case scenario..... because Carr will have even less value than he did before. Money wise, it would be better for us to keep him as our back up... he can't be worse than Banks. It will be expensive, but...... he'll have every oportunity to come back into the game, and win his job back.

But by Drafting Vince, we have a viable "plan B". I'd hate more than anything, to go into next season with only Carr, and hoping that he can do what we all want him to do.... what we all think he is capable of doing. Only to be let down, and have to start looking for a quality QB, with no Vince Young in the Draft. Just look around the league..... musical QBs... it's pathetic.

Of course, this all depends on the buzz about Rangon... when looking at Rangon, if the thought is "he can't do any worse than Carr", then we need to Draft Vince.


I'd be upset, if Carr gets us into the playoffs, and we wasted a pick on Vince. But I'd be more upset if we're looking for a QB next year, and there isn't a potential superstar to be had, and I don't mean to trade up to get Brady Quinn.

 

[Grid]

if ya dont want to draft Reggie cause we already have DD.. then why would ya want to draft Young as an insurance policy? There are better things we could use that pick on.

 

[kingh99]

My thinking about the pick changed after watching the second round of the playoffs. Carr could be a Jake Delomme type of fighter if he had a team around him.

Did you see how efficient and fast Brady and Plummer were making their reads and the kind of zip they had (especially Brady) on the ball? I don't think Vince can hang as a playoff winning QB, at least not a for a few years. Guys like Brady and Delomme have a hard, overhand downward trajectory throwing motion. Vince has a soft, side arm upward trajectory throwing motion. It'll never get there in time.

I'm back on the Bush bandwagon.

 

[Hookem Horns]

I say draft Vince, as an insurance policy.

While I am for VY, you don't spend a #1 pick in the draft for an insurance policy. They will need to be commited to VY.

BTW, who's Rangon? You mean Ragone?

 

[thunderkyss]

Anyhow, I'm sure you thinking that Plummer would be in the AFC title game once day when he went 3-13 in his 4th year in the league.

I actually thought Jake would've been taking the Cardinals to the NFC Divisionals
But that team never made the moves necessary to get it done. They've had talent at different spots, at different times, but they've never put it together at the same time. When Jake went to the Broncs, I knew it was a matter of time.

But his game is & was totally different from David Carr's. We want David to stay in the pocket, make his reads, and throw the football. If it ain't there, throw it away. With Jake, you want to roll him out, go through his progression. If it ain't there, make a play, but don't do anything stupid. If Carr breaks the pocket, I'm thinking... "slide fool.... slide" When Jake breaks the pocket, I'm thinking "... it's on now....."

 

[Grid]

My thinking about the pick changed after watching the second round of the playoffs. Carr could be a Jake Delomme type of fighter if he had a team around him.

Did you see how efficient and fast Brady and Plummer were making their reads and the kind of zip they had (especially Brady) on the ball? I don't think Vince can hang as a playoff winning QB, at least not a for a few years. Guys like Brady and Delomme have a hard, overhand downward trajectory throwing motion. Vince has a soft, side arm upward trajectory throwing motion. It'll never get there in time.

I'm back on the Bush bandwagon.

I dont think that Carr could ever be Delhomme.. I just dont see him ever having Delhomme confidence in the pocket, and ability to make reads and make the right decision. That isnt a knock against Carr either.. Delhomme is one of the most underappreciated QBs in the league.. he plays a similar game to Tom Brady. I see Carr playing similar to Plummer. Able to make plays on the rollout.. solid and can help the team win.. but he will always have some issues with consistency. That doesnt mean he couldnt take us to the Superbowl though.

And you can have my seat on the Bush bandwagon ..recent posts and careful consideration of the talent in this draft has led me to beleive that trading down and grabbing a few more players may be the quickest road to success for us. Im saying Trade Down.. with drafting Bush being my secondary choice

 

[thunderkyss]

While I am for VY, you don't spend a #1 pick in the draft for an insurance policy. They will need to be commited to VY.

BTW, who's Rangon? You mean Ragone?

Without a doubt... which makes the decision tough.... Carr would be here, two years Max, regardless what he does.... actually it'll be one year max. The insurance policy is on our season. With Carr, Kubiak, an Offensive FA, a defensive talent.... we may make the playoffs. If Carr can't play(for whatever reason) we start working on the 2007 campaign. Without drafting Young, the second half of the season would be like this year, where the only thing we are doing is jockeying for position in the draft....

Like I said though. If the team(whoever that may be) feels like Ragone (Thank you very much) can pick up where Carr left off, then we're good, and our season may have some life yet. (If Carr had us bound for the Play-Offs that is).

 

[thunderkyss]

if ya dont want to draft Reggie cause we already have DD.. then why would ya want to draft Young as an insurance policy? There are better things we could use that pick on.

We've already got a much cheaper policy for that in Wells, and Morency put together.

 

[Lucky]

...Carr would be here, two years Max, regardless what he does.... actually it'll be one year max. The insurance policy is on our season. With Carr, Kubiak, an Offensive FA, a defensive talent.... we may make the playoffs. If Carr can't play(for whatever reason) we start working on the 2007 campaign. Without drafting Young, the second half of the season would be like this year, where the only thing we are doing is jockeying for position in the draft...

This isn't the first time I've seen a scenario like this, so I don't want to seem like I'm picking on you (or being a "bad teammate"), but this idea is nuts. Whether you want to draft Young or keep Carr is fine, but you can't do both.

Drafting Young does nothing to help Carr make himself a better QB. Drafting Reggie Bush or trading down and picking up a OT & a TE would. By not addressing the team's deficiencies, you're just setting up Carr for failure. If you draft Young and keep Carr, you're forcing Vince into a QB controversy right off the bat. Not to mention wasting the $6 million cap hit that could go to bolstering the O-line. Would you really want Young to endure the same protection struggles Carr has? No fence-straddling, the Texans have to pick a side.

 

[HoustonFrog]

I dont think that Carr could ever be Delhomme.. I just dont see him ever having Delhomme confidence in the pocket, and ability to make reads and make the right decision. That isnt a knock against Carr either.. Delhomme is one of the most underappreciated QBs in the league.. he plays a similar game to Tom Brady. I see Carr playing similar to Plummer. Able to make plays on the rollout.. solid and can help the team win.. but he will always have some issues with consistency. That doesnt mean he couldnt take us to the Superbowl though.

And you can have my seat on the Bush bandwagon ..recent posts and careful consideration of the talent in this draft has led me to beleive that trading down and grabbing a few more players may be the quickest road to success for us. Im saying Trade Down.. with drafting Bush being my secondary choice

I agree!Delhomme wasn't always surrounded by great talent and he has always performed. Really undervalued. I also don't know what game some were watchign but Jake wasn't overly impressive in his game. He threw into coverage many times and until the last TD he really didn't have great stats. Of their starting drives two started at the 1. Carr has no pocket presence that looked anything like what we saw this weekend. That doesn't mean I am all for drafting VY, just saying IMHO Carr is not some guy that will be molded.

 

[Double Barrel]

I do actually think that with a very large part of the Team upgraded significantly, he could be a 'servicable' (ala Trent Dilfer) QB who could learn how to not lose a game. If Fiedler with Miami can do it, then I have to believe Carr can eventually learn how to not lose a game for his team. But I don't believe he will ever take control and win a game on his back either.

This is sort of where my opinion resides. While football is a team sport, and the fact that the Texans are a really bad team should be recognized, I have to admit that we have not seen flashes of brilliance from our QB in the last four seasons. There have been momentary playmaking highlights, but nothing consistent enough to putt Carr in elite company.

I think with a good team around him Carr could be a serviceable QB (like Dilfer). However, the monkey wrench in the plans is what Vinny brought up about his paycheck. He'll be making elite QB money, and we won't be getting the return on that huge investment.

 

[jerek]

Now we are looking to the ... wtf was the name of this again? The Delcotimes?

I am sure there are plenty of inconsequential aspiring sports writers in Bangladesh that also have an opinion on this. But, unless they support Vince Young, it seems that we will never read about them on this board.

Seems utterly pointless to troll the trillions of world wide web pages out there for "someone, please anyone else's" opinion that Carr sucks and Vince Young is the man, especially when the same half-*** argument is repeated verbatim here about one hundred times per day. What's next, quoting xanga sites?