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Another 3rd string QB outperforms Carr

Ibar_Harry said:
Carr has always believed in his coaches and was taught that way from the get go. He is a yes sir type of person out of respect to his elders. It can be a fault. He may well have said a whole lot, but it was not made public. You will always hear him say Mr. McNair. He's not a make waves type of guy.
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I can fix that before they even get to mini-camp!

Now where did I put "Snake's" phone number? Carr needs to spend a week or two taking a vacation in Alabama drinking beer, fishing, and raising hell with Kenny Stabler. Hit a few topless bars, spend a weekend in Key West and drink his weight in Margaritas.

Get some ink done. Nothing modern or fancy. A "nekkkid" woman who does the hula when he flexes his bicep will do just fine.

That would knock that "fault" out of him right quick.

I bet he'd come back with an earful for Joe Pendry. That is of course IF Joe was coming back in 2006 (and he ain't).
 
the wonger need food said:
Not true, I like David Carr and want him to succeed. I've watched every snap of his pro career and think he is one tough SOB and has a ton of heart. But he is just not an NFL quarterback. He has the tools but is severely lacking when it comes to the mental aspects of the game. The guy is in his 4th season and still plays like a rookie or worse at times.
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He lead his team to 24 points in the 2nd quarter by calling the plays himself in a no huddle offense (Manning style). He led his team downfield to 3 TD's. Two of those were from within 10 yards. Just because he dosnt get the Td dosnt mean he was not effective.
 
D.Carr Still hasn't proven himself...I'm not ready to call him a complete bust, because I think he has earned enough experience to be a very, very, very, good..almost excellent.... back-up for years...
 
Fiddy said:
Carr called the plays in the first half, remember??? He called those short hitches in the first half, not Pendry or Capers. And in the first half the passing game got an unbelievable 4.65 yards a play while the running game got 4.75 a play. That cant be normal.
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That's an extreamly good point, now let me point out that by doing this we scored 24 points and didn't punt once in the half. (Only time we didn't score we turned it onver on downs.) We also had way more plays and TOP during that half. Whatever works...
 
Point taken but I think with the right coach he will be a better sarting QB. Who do you want in the draft?
 
Carr is a good quarterback, with great measurables. I am a believer in the guy eventhough admittedly I did not agree with the pick at first. He has shown alot of heart, and someone with his heart in a good system and his talent could take our franchise a long way. Plus Cass already said Carr is coming back on Cold Pizza today.
 
guys, guys, guys....D.C would have to do this on a consistent basis for that to mean anything...He did it once...kudos....Do it again, and again...Then he will get the props he deserves..But to have one... o.k performance...not gonna cut it...He still gets no love from me
 
Hervoyel said:
I can fix that before they even get to mini-camp!

Now where did I put "Snake's" phone number? Carr needs to spend a week or two taking a vacation in Alabama drinking beer, fishing, and raising hell with Kenny Stabler. Hit a few topless bars, spend a weekend in Key West and drink his weight in Margaritas.

Get some ink done. Nothing modern or fancy. A "nekkkid" woman who does the hula when he flexes his bicep will do just fine.

That would knock that "fault" out of him right quick.

I bet he'd come back with an earful for Joe Pendry. That is of course IF Joe was coming back in 2006 (and he ain't).
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Herv...this take (whether tonque in check or not) posted about a class act like Carr, under that avatar, brings you to new heights of respect on the board I am sure!
 
the wonger need food said:
I know... there will be 1,000 excuses for the guy in this thread, but the fact remains that another 3rd string QB outperformed the Texans' "franchise quarterback".

Carr 22/33 for 150 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT
Navarre 14/24 for 174 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT

Carr makes the same mistakes week after week (runs into sacks, locks onto 1 receiver, will not throw the ball for his receiver to make a play on it) and people continue to make excuses for him. I just don't get it.
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Geez...now, how does that ignore thing work again?
 
CajunTexan said:
Herv...this take (whether tonque in check or not) posted about a class act like Carr, under that avatar, brings you to new heights of respect on the board I am sure!
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Well, it was meant in jest. You know I've been thinking about it quite a bit lately and I find that the longer I'm here the less I care about what other posters think. I'm starting to feel like I might be on the short timers list around here. I don't enjoy it anymore. Everyone takes everything too seriously.

I'm sure that "a class act" like David Carr can take a little joke about some of Kenny Stablers personality rubbing off on him and if his image can't survive it then Kenny probably wouldn't want to spend the time with him anyway. He might show him his Super Bowl ring if Carr is lucky because it just might be the closest he ever gets to one.

Lately (meaning the past year or so) I've been spending more time on football and the board and enjoying it less. I think I need a vacation or something.
 
Hervoyel said:
Well, it was meant in jest. You know I've been thinking about it quite a bit lately and I find that the longer I'm here the less I care about what other posters think. I'm starting to feel like I might be on the short timers list around here. I don't enjoy it anymore. Everyone takes everything too seriously.

I'm sure that "a class act" like David Carr can take a little joke about some of Kenny Stablers personality rubbing off on him and if his image can't survive it then Kenny probably wouldn't want to spend the time with him anyway. He might show him his Super Bowl ring if Carr is lucky because it just might be the closest he ever gets to one.

Lately (meaning the past year or so) I've been spending more time on football and the board and enjoying it less. I think I need a vacation or something.
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I hear what you are saying. I came to this board this year and thought it would be great fun, and it was in the beginning. Now, most are so negative it really isn't as much fun.

I find my self reading the threads, getting very bored, then making a post on a comment like yours. (I knew you meant no harm) You are usually good for a reaction though.
 
Fiddy said:
lol, you've just discredited how much it takes to get to the Superbowl...that's funny.

And you do know that the Patriots, responsible for 3 of those, won each superbowl by 3 points?? Complete dominance over the NFC, just unbelievable dominance. 3 whole points each game for a total of 9. Woah..I wonder why the NFC just doesnt forfeit. They have no chance when the other teams lose by 3. :dontknowa
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To borrow a line from Rome, whom I dislike, but: SCOREBOARD.

It doesn't matter what the scores have been. The AFC is 6-2 in the last 8 Super Bowls. The 6-2 record is a dominating record. There's that dominant word again. :redtowel:

Also, there is a certain QB who plays in Atlanta who is overrated. He changes his name all the time, so I don't recall his real name.
 
CajunTexan said:
I hear what you are saying. I came to this board this year and thought it would be great fun, and it was in the beginning. Now, most are so negative it really isn't as much fun.

I find my self reading the threads, getting very bored, then making a post on a comment like yours. (I knew you meant no harm) You are usually good for a reaction though.
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You and Herv don't quit the board just yet, PLEASE! :howdy: Quality posters are in demand. The mood and nature of the board right now just reflects the sorry state of affairs that a 2-12 brings with them. Make that a 12-2 team, and I bet this is a fun place to be.

We gotta' have faith, men...and lots of patience. It'll work out, I promise.* :ok:


*no time limit specified
 
It's clear now that a good percentage of users here will defend Carr no matter what, but I'm curious as to the reason why. How do people get so attached to a guy who has done basically nothing for them for 4 years? If he was Favre, or somebody that had a great year where you really saw the potential developed, or even a handful of truly brilliant performances over the 4 years, but we've got NOTHING like that and nothing to suggest Carr will EVER be a 1st class NFL QB. I repeat, NOTHING. N*O*T*H*I*N*G. ZERO. Sure, he sometimes looks OK, and sure, he has a strong arm (so does my plumber), but for all the football skills that you want in a QB, well, Carr just hasn't shown us a thing. Can't read the defenses, doesn't read down his receivers (doesn't have time? has plenty of time, he's just slow), locks onto his receiver (duh!), doesn't have much pocket sense (often runs into sacks when trying to avoid sacks), makes a lot of bonehead throws to where no receiver is, runs out of bounds when unnecessary, can't seem to hit a moving target with any regularity, makes bad decisions time after time . . . the list just goes on.

So what is it about him that makes fans on this board devoted to him, ready to make excuses for him all the time? What's the investment? He's a kid that had a good year in college against sub-par competition and has not gotten any better with four years in the bigs.

We cannot POSSIBLY pay him 8 million dollars, or anything like it.

Maybe we should start again next year with a solid, workmanlike, veteran QB who knows how to run a team, knows the field and the pocket, is a solid passer, and has three or four years of good solid play left in him. Trade Carr if we can for a draft pick--I'm thinking we might get a 2nd round or a high 3rd round for him now--or for a good lineman.

That would be better for us and probably better for DC, too.
 
the wonger need food said:
I know... there will be 1,000 excuses for the guy in this thread, but the fact remains that another 3rd string QB outperformed the Texans' "franchise quarterback".

Carr 22/33 for 150 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT
Navarre 14/24 for 174 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT

Carr makes the same mistakes week after week (runs into sacks, locks onto 1 receiver, will not throw the ball for his receiver to make a play on it) and people continue to make excuses for him. I just don't get it.
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Im sorry but i have to disagree with you Carr is the best QB in the league and those are just stat and they dont mean anything so what if carr cant throw. so what if he leads the league in fumbles its not david carr fault everyone else is at fault but david he has never been given the opportunity to succeed if only he had the Chiefs offensive line or carson palmers ability or peyton manning arms of even the football smart as Kyle Boller i said that sad but true. or better yet if this wasnt the NFL and this was The WAC David Carr would do good so see its not David Fault that Casserly drafted the second coming of heath shuler\ Tim couch
 
Well its seems that in the first half of Sunday's game Carr called all the plays, which resulted in a 24 points and the largest scoring quarter of Texans history. Then, for reasons known only to Capers, Joe Pendry called the plays the second half, and netted 63 total yards. I'll stick with Carr. Chalk up Pendry as another dead man, and another nail in Capers coffen for switching.
 
SESupergenius said:
... but Carr has the victory and the coaches took over the second half. Carr didn't really need to throw the ball the 2nd half, NAvarre did.
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Exactly, thank you.
 
jerek said:
Apologist? Who me? :rolleyes:

The problem with football is, everyone is interconnected. If we were horse racing and the horse loses, well maybe it's his trainer or his jockey or his diet or too much studding, but most likely, the horse just sucks. Take him out to pasture and buy another.

Carr's offense can score three TDs a week, but if Fangio's defense gives up four, we lose. If Pendry calls the plays and his playcalling sucks, well that makes it harder to score, and we lose. Joe Montana in his prime can take our snaps, but if he has an average of 1.5 seconds to throw the ball, guess what? We lose.

I guess the fact is you do not like Carr on the field and I do. Let's just call it for what it is, and that's it right there. We both have facts and opinions to back up our positions. I haven't reserved his seat in the HOF yet, but I still tend to think he has what it takes to get the job done, and only once we build him a competent team and system to play with/in, will I be satisfied once and for all that he is or is not the man for the job.

If that makes me an apologist, so be it. In the meanwhile, keep kissing that Vince Young poster before you go to bed at night, if that's what helps you to sleep.
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Our Carr is a lemon and you`re still in denial.
 
the wonger need food said:
All you have is shallow excuses and I am clueless? QB's in the NFL are measured in wins and statistics. Carr has been a failure in both categories.
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True No one can argue with that.
 
Carr calling plays in 2nd quarter = 24 points. Pendry calling plays in 2nd half = 6 points. Carr needs to be given the keys to the offense.

Nuff said.
 
TexanAlmighty said:
Carr calling plays in 2nd quarter = 24 points. Pendry calling plays in 2nd half = 6 points. Carr needs to be given the keys to the offense.

Nuff said.
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If it were that easy we would not be having the conversation.
 
It is that easy.

It's just that the coaching staff ifears change,, and want to keep their bushes instead of being cursed with the legs of a goat.
 
:twocents: I wonder how much of Carr's future is in Reeves hands . What if Reeves tells Bob that Carr's not the man ... we are set back two maybe three years farther back than we are now . Thats about the point we would be if Carr never improves .

We will never get answers to alot of questions because of the Texans failure to bench Carr no matter what . Theres no proof to really say Wongers wrong in his assesment because there nothing to compare it to . The same can be said for the pro Carr camp ... nobody's stepped in and fared worse .

I have no doubt that Reeves can look at film and come up with a solid assesment of Carr , the OL , the play calling , and so on . My hunch is Carr's future is not that of great QB but maybe a good one if the right coach is brought in . You don't pay good QB's big money .
 
ThaShark316 said:
Breaking news: Wonger hates David Carr.

In other news: Water is wet,grass is green and the Steelers wear Black and Gold.
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I think wonger just enjoys pissing everybody off.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
:twocents: I wonder how much of Carr's future is in Reeves hands.
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Carr's future is in his OWN hands. He needs to realize that these coaches will not be here next year and that he needs to audible to something other than the flip side of the original call.

THROW THE DAMN BALL DOWNFIELD!!!

(...and exhale.) :)
 
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