Another 3rd string QB outperforms Carr

[the wonger need food]

I know... there will be 1,000 excuses for the guy in this thread, but the fact remains that another 3rd string QB outperformed the Texans' "franchise quarterback".

Carr 22/33 for 150 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT
Navarre 14/24 for 174 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT

Carr makes the same mistakes week after week (runs into sacks, locks onto 1 receiver, will not throw the ball for his receiver to make a play on it) and people continue to make excuses for him. I just don't get it.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

I know... there will be 1,000 excuses for the guy in this thread, but the fact remains that another 3rd string QB outperformed the Texans' "franchise quarterback".

Carr 22/33 for 150 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT
Navarre 14/24 for 174 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT

Carr makes the same mistakes week after week (runs into sacks, locks onto 1 receiver, will not throw the ball for his receiver to make a play on it) and people continue to make excuses for him. I just don't get it.

Navarre stinks. Carr is just overpaid.

 

[texan279]

I know... there will be 1,000 excuses for the guy in this thread, but the fact remains that another 3rd string QB outperformed the Texans' "franchise quarterback".

Carr 22/33 for 150 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT
Navarre 14/24 for 174 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT

Carr makes the same mistakes week after week (runs into sacks, locks onto 1 receiver, will not throw the ball for his receiver to make a play on it) and people continue to make excuses for him. I just don't get it.

Runs into sacks? Sure some of Carr's sacks are his fault when he runs out of bounds, never actually seen him run into a sack though. Locks onto 1 receiver? When has he had time to check more than one option? As far as throwing a ball for a WR to make a play, we really only have one playmaker at WR, AJ. Although I have seen AJ and Bradford drop balls this season that were in their hands.

 

[SESupergenius]

I know... there will be 1,000 excuses for the guy in this thread, but the fact remains that another 3rd string QB outperformed the Texans' "franchise quarterback".

Carr 22/33 for 150 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT
Navarre 14/24 for 174 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT

Carr makes the same mistakes week after week (runs into sacks, locks onto 1 receiver, will not throw the ball for his receiver to make a play on it) and people continue to make excuses for him. I just don't get it.

Carr plays defense? That all sounds good for fantasy games and all, but Carr has the victory and the coaches took over the second half. Carr didn't really need to throw the ball the 2nd half, NAvarre did.

 

[Jack Bauer]

When has he had time to check more than one option?

This is my point to the criticism that he "locks" into one receiver. He barely has time to look at option number one before the pressure comes.

 

[the wonger need food]

Keep'em coming. I know there are a lot more Carr apologists out there!

 

[texan279]

Keep'em coming. I know there are a lot more Carr apologists out there!

If you read some of my posts from preseason and much earlier in the year, I was not the biggest supporter of Carr. I have come to realize though, he is doing what he can with what he has around him. He has one playmaker at WR, a solid RB, and a horrible pass blocking offensive line. I am not going to give up on Carr and I don't think the front office is either. Sure he makes mistakes, but until I see Carr behind at least a decent offensive line, I am not sold on him being a horrible QB.

 

[Texan Asylum]

Carr has been groomed for these butt whippings for years now. The failure to address the OL problem has resulted in what comes to him naturally. The fact that he can still go out and perform is a testament to his toughness and character. Not bad traits to build a franchise QB around.

 

[SESupergenius]

We've seen what this offensive can do when we don't go to the quick hitches or 2 second drops. They fail time and time again. Carr has his good and his bad, just like every QB does, but until I see this oline upgraded then I see no reason to put it all on him.

I did see Carr take a shot yesterday in the chest and get right back up. He's a tough QB, a pretty boy, but still can take a shot.

 

[ThaShark316]

Breaking news: Wonger hates David Carr.

In other news: Water is wet,grass is green and the Steelers wear Black and Gold.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

Breaking news: Wonger hates David Carr.

In other news: Water is wet,grass is green and the Steelers wear Black and Gold.

You forgot that the Reliant Stadium roof is closed.

 

[z0rpAn]

I know... there will be 1,000 excuses for the guy in this thread, but the fact remains that another 3rd string QB outperformed the Texans' "franchise quarterback".

Carr 22/33 for 150 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT
Navarre 14/24 for 174 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT

Carr makes the same mistakes week after week (runs into sacks, locks onto 1 receiver, will not throw the ball for his receiver to make a play on it) and people continue to make excuses for him. I just don't get it.

Carr 66% completions
Navarre 58% completions

Different teams have different systems. With 3 step drops you don't get great yardage and we aren't a team that constantly throws 10 yards down the field.

Carr played a better secondary, where Navarre played ours...

People continue to make excuses for him. I just don't get it.

Maybe because you keep TRYING to bash him. Yardage statistics aren't everything. TDs-INTs for Carr don't mean much looking at our offense, yes he threw an INT, but who doesn't? Our offense is a rushing offense, thus unless the rush fails in the redzone, Carr wont get the opportunity to make a touchdown TD.

And as far as Carr running into sacks. The only way I can understand that is he is avoiding other pass rushers and making sure his own guys don't knock him down by being forced into him.

It would be nice if you actually knew how this team works before you go bashing individuals.

 

[the wonger need food]

Breaking news: Wonger hates David Carr.

Not true, I like David Carr and want him to succeed. I've watched every snap of his pro career and think he is one tough SOB and has a ton of heart. But he is just not an NFL quarterback. He has the tools but is severely lacking when it comes to the mental aspects of the game. The guy is in his 4th season and still plays like a rookie or worse at times.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

Hey, I am curious, what does your name mean any way?

I would suspect it is a line from the Breakfast Club.

 

[Frills]

I guess him calling the plays and having the team score the most points in a quarter are a tribute to his lacking mental compentancy at the position.

Just wondering who would you consider good NFL QB's at this point of the season?

 

[the wonger need food]

Carr 66% completions
Navarre 58% completions

Different teams have different systems. With 3 step drops you don't get great yardage and we aren't a team that constantly throws 10 yards down the field.

Carr played a better secondary, where Navarre played ours...


Maybe because you keep TRYING to bash him. Yardage statistics aren't everything. TDs-INTs for Carr don't mean much looking at our offense, yes he threw an INT, but who doesn't? Our offense is a rushing offense, thus unless the rush fails in the redzone, Carr wont get the opportunity to make a touchdown TD.

And as far as Carr running into sacks. The only way I can understand that is he is avoiding other pass rushers and making sure his own guys don't knock him down by being forced into him.

It would be nice if you actually knew how this team works before you go bashing individuals.

I know exactly how this team works. I (as most everyone on this board is capable of) can predict 90% of their play calls at the line of scrimmage. What does that have to anything? When he is actually put in position to make a play he throws the ball out of bounds instead of giving his receiver a chance to make a play, or he dumps the ball off, or he runs himself into a sack. I sat in the end zone yesterday and saw receivers open toward the middle of the field on several occassions, but he will not take his eyes off of his primary target and find the secondary guys.

 

[the wonger need food]

I guess him calling the plays and having the team score the most points in a quarter are a tribute to his lacking mental compentancy at the position.

Just wondering who would you consider good NFL QB's at this point of the season?

Yes, he did check off to the off tackle left running play with great success yesterday. And his hitch passes were on the money.

Who would I consider a good NFL QB... Anyone that can throw the ball more than 10 yards down the field. Or in the middle of the field. It took the guy 3 games into his 4th season to figure out throwing the ball away is better than running out of bounds for minus yards.

 

[Texan Asylum]

Very observant on our parts to find the open receiver during a game BUT we're not members of the "Sack of the Week" club like our good friend DC is. If we are to condemn him for what he has had to work with as far as a line goes then perhaps a little time with an improved line is warranted before we judge him on his capibilities.

 

[Frills]

Yes, he did check off to the off tackle left running play with great success yesterday. And his hitch passes were on the money.

Who would I consider a good NFL QB... Anyone that can throw the ball more than 10 yards down the field. Or in the middle of the field. It took the guy 3 games into his 4th season to figure out throwing the ball away is better than running out of bounds for minus yards.

Name a few QB's you think are good. I'll help ya out, Brady, P. Manning, Big Ben...Those are the obivous ones...think a few mins, and come up with some others, surely there aren't only 3.

 

[Double Barrel]

the Steelers wear Black and Gold.

I think it's black and yellow, regardless of what those Steeler knuckleheads want to believe.

Gold is the color of the 49ers or Saints helmets.

With regards to Carr, I think there are still some troubling tendencies that he's carried from college. Unfortunately, he did not have the luxury of getting drafted by an existing team that could develop his strengths while negating his weaknesses. Instead of sitting out a year (or more) to learn the NFL, he was thrown to the wolves behind an untested o-line.

His constant run-for-the-hills of his first four seasons has done nothing but distract him from becoming a better QB. He could be a broken player right now, because there were some instances yesterday that just screamed "bad decision".

 

[Texan Asylum]

I think it's black and yellow, regardless of what those Steeler knuckleheads want to believe.

Gold is the color of the 49ers or Saints helmets.

With regards to Carr, I think there are still some troubling tendencies that he's carried from college. Unfortunately, he did not have the luxury of getting drafted by an existing team that could develop his strengths while negating his weaknesses. Instead of sitting out a year (or more) to learn the NFL, he was thrown to the wolves behind an untested o-line.

His constant run-for-the-hills of his first four seasons has done nothing but distract him from becoming a better QB. He could be a broken player right now, because there were some instances yesterday that just screamed "bad decision".

Respectfully, what are you suggesting then.

 

[the wonger need food]

Name a few QB's you think are good. I'll help ya out, Brady, P. Manning, Big Ben...Those are the obivous ones...think a few mins, and come up with some others, surely there aren't only 3.

Carson Palmer, Trent Green, Drew Brees, Mike Vick, Eli Manning, Matt Hasslebeck, Jake Plummer, Jake Del Homme, Mark Brunnell, Steve McNair, Brett Favre, Kerry Collins, Donovan McNabb, Marc Bulger, Brad Johnson, Byron Leftwich, Drew Bledsoe.... pretty much every QB in the league other than Dilfer, Brooks and whoever SF, Detroit, Tampa or Miami is running out on the field.

Wait, let me guess... all of those guys have an offensive line?

 

[the wonger need food]

This argument reaks of hypocrisy. How many of these guys play on craptastic teams right now, or have had, in their past, the kind of seasons or multiple-season-stretch that you are condeming Carr as a lost cause for right now? For the sake of my time, I am not going to go into it, but Wonger you are digging yourself a hole here and I don't think you are going to make it out of this one.

Come on man, you can do better than that. Go back to the tried-and-true elements of your plan, like statistics, which would absolutely flop with this list. Don't bring out a laundry list of also-rans who have put up two or three good seasons to six or seven bad, put up very similar numbers throughout significant stretches of their career, when their successes have come during their tenures with balanced, well-coached teams.

Dilfer won a Super Bowl with the Ravens, is he good? Or is there more to winning football games than you are even close to realizing?

You asked who I would consider a good NFL QB at this point of the season, right? Most of those guys are leading their teams to winning seasons and/or have better statistics than Carr even though they are on craptastic teams (i.e. Favre, Collins, McNair). Believe me, I hope the guy can turn it around with a decent offensive line. I just don't believe that he will ever be a good QB. If he can get into a system like Baltimore or Tampa had during their Super Bowl runs he could be good enough not to lose games, but he will never be a Manning (either one), Palmer, Brady or even a Hasselbeck, Brees or Green.

 

[the wonger need food]

Wonger:

You are clueless. I have followed David career for the past six years. Put any of the above quarterbacks in his situation and have them endure the amount of punishment David has taken, I suggest 90% of them would be injured and/or 90% would have performed at least as poorly.

Given a decent offensive line and a stable or receivers who can catch most of the ball thrown to them, you would singing a different tune.

Are you sure you went to Duke? Were you an Art major? I think you went to NC State.

All you have is shallow excuses and I am clueless? QB's in the NFL are measured in wins and statistics. Carr has been a failure in both categories.

 

[zeplin]

This argument reaks of hypocrisy. How many of these guys play on craptastic teams right now, or have had, in their past, the kind of seasons or multiple-season-stretch that you are condeming Carr as a lost cause for right now? For the sake of my time, I am not going to go into it, but Wonger you are digging yourself a hole here and I don't think you are going to make it out of this one.

Come on man, you can do better than that. Go back to the tried-and-true elements of your plan, like statistics, which would absolutely flop with this list. Don't bring out a laundry list of also-rans who have put up two or three good seasons to six or seven bad, put up very similar numbers throughout significant stretches of their career, when their successes have come during their tenures with balanced, well-coached teams.

Dilfer won a Super Bowl with the Ravens, is he good? Or is there more to winning football games than you are even close to realizing?

Can I get a Amen!!!
One more note I could swear I saw Carr throw one up for AJ on the sidelines yesterday, probably a TD if he caught the ball. My point is there are 11 guys out there on the field and if 6 or 7 of them are sub par then it really won't matter who your QB is at that point. Joe Montana would fail on this team.
I am so tired of hearing people blame David Carr for all our trouble. After 4 years of abuse by opposing defenses we still do not know what kind of QB he could be. I just hope by the time we ge the OL figuired out he is still healthy enough to play.
One thing I think we should do is let him find out what his value is on the open market this next off season. We will probably save some money on his contract. We would be paying fair market value.

 

[cuppacoffee]

Carson Palmer, Trent Green, Drew Brees, Mike Vick, Eli Manning, Matt Hasslebeck, Jake Plummer, Jake Del Homme, Mark Brunnell, Steve McNair, Brett Favre, Kerry Collins, Donovan McNabb, Marc Bulger, Brad Johnson, Byron Leftwich, Drew Bledsoe.... pretty much every QB in the league other than Dilfer, Brooks and whoever SF, Detroit, Tampa or Miami is running out on the field.

Wait, let me guess... all of those guys have an offensive line?

Brees........almost run out of SD
Vick..........extremely overrated, a good running back / less than average passing skills.
Eli............lets wait before we annoint him.
Brunell......wasn't he run out of JVille in favor of Sandwich
Collins......didn't he lose his starting job to Tuissoppio or whatever his name is.
Johnson...been a great QB at all of his stops hasn't he?
Drew (swivel hips) Bledsoe.....A real reach on your part.

Wait, let me guess.....You don't like Carr.

 

[Hottoddie]

I know... there will be 1,000 excuses for the guy in this thread, but the fact remains that another 3rd string QB outperformed the Texans' "franchise quarterback".

Carr 22/33 for 150 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT
Navarre 14/24 for 174 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT

Carr makes the same mistakes week after week (runs into sacks, locks onto 1 receiver, will not throw the ball for his receiver to make a play on it) and people continue to make excuses for him. I just don't get it.

And who won that game? Oh yeah, it was the Texans (30-19). Now, shut up & sit down in the back of the bus.

 

[Frills]

Carson Palmer, Trent Green, Drew Brees, Mike Vick, Eli Manning, Matt Hasslebeck, Jake Plummer, Jake Del Homme, Mark Brunnell, Steve McNair, Brett Favre, Kerry Collins, Donovan McNabb, Marc Bulger, Brad Johnson, Byron Leftwich, Drew Bledsoe.... pretty much every QB in the league other than Dilfer, Brooks and whoever SF, Detroit, Tampa or Miami is running out on the field.

Wait, let me guess... all of those guys have an offensive line?

Green---Roaf was out the first 4 weeks, in which he went 77/128 879 yds 3/3 the team went 2-2 and they had Priest Holmes and LJ running the ball.

Brees---Not hard to be a good QB when you have LT and Gates on your side.

Vick---Has shown all he needs to show Sun night, the mere fact you listed him as a good QB shows quite enough.

Eli---ummm, There's a reason Tiki is one of the best RB's in the NFL, and its not due to to Eli's 75.2 rating. A 22/16 ratio when you have Buress, Toomer and Shockey is very mediocre.

Hasslebeck---Alexander leading the league in TD's has a ton to do with his numbers, when they stack 8 in the box its hard for Hass to fail given Engram, Jurivicous.

Plummer---Denver throws the ball? Guess when they do, Smith and Lelie are decent targets, and the run game is very very good.

Delhomme---throws to one of the best WR's in the league this year, but still has managed an 86.5 rating throwing 20td's to 15 ints.

Brunell---Portis, Cooley and Moss are good players to have around you.

Farve---19/22 ratio, has led team to a 3-10 record, would be benched for Rogers, but is an icon...

Collins---benched for tuisopo but got job back cause he was horrible as well. Team is 4-10 and has recievers Moss, Porter and a damn good RB in Jordan. Great leader at the position, least he hasn't quit yet.

McNabb---2 WR thrown him under the bus, led team to a whopping 4-5 record before bbshutting it down. Great durability.

Bulger---great duribility as well

Johnson---16 years in the league, and auqiring a team in shambles that took a love boat to bring togather.

Lefty---durability, he could handle about 1/3 of what DC has endured before shutting down.

Bledsoe---Good O-line, throwing to Johnson, Whitten, and Glenn is a ton better than AJ, Gaffney.......

I can pick apart every QB in the league just as you can Carr. You don't know what kind of QB ya have until you give him the chance to succeed. DC hasn't been given a chance.

 

[Fiddy]

And who won that game? Oh yeah, it was the Texans (30-19). Now, shut up & sit down in the back of the bus.

We won cause Babin took out Warner. Warner had 35 less passing yards than Carr on 23 less attempts. And Warner had one more TD.

We averaged 3.4 yards per rush and 3.7 yards per pass. Our passing game out gained our running game by .3 yards each play. I honestly dont think that is normal. Now get out a 12 inch ruler, hold it up: That's how much more a pass play got than a run play.

 

[Frills]

When you have a short passing gameplan thats what happens when you have recievers that get tackled for a loss or drop the occasional deep pass...both happened on Sunday...its not the QB's fault for playing by the gameplan.

The short passing game is the coaches plan...not Carr's

 

[Kaiser Toro]

Touche.

Brett Favre has been more or less dismal this season on a dismal team; more yards but worse TD/INT ratio and rated a point or two less than Carr as of today (among other forgettable years). I suppose he sucks too? Or is he a future HOFer, a good QB who was really allowed to shine because he had a real system and team around him?

Carr has had neither in his four years. Obviously until Carr is given above features we will never know, but give the man some time.

How much more time is palatable for you? Once again, I am not fishing, just trying to get a pulse.

 

[Fiddy]

When you have a short passing gameplan thats what happens when you have recievers that get tackled for a loss or drop the occasional deep pass...both happened on Sunday...its not the QB's fault for playing by the gameplan.

The short passing game is the coaches plan...not Carr's

Carr called the plays in the first half, remember??? He called those short hitches in the first half, not Pendry or Capers. And in the first half the passing game got an unbelievable 4.65 yards a play while the running game got 4.75 a play. That cant be normal.

 

[Frills]

I'd assume 2 seasons in a row when you don't cut a starting O-line player or a TE because they had no business in the NFL...and shouldn't be starting unless your 3rd string player gets injured.

Most teams have some depth at O-line gained through drafts/FA, our GM decided to trade that depth for Babin, Buchanan. Until he has some stability surrounding him, we'll never know.

 

[cuppacoffee]

We won cause Babin took out Warner. Warner had 35 less passing yards than Carr on 23 less attempts. And Warner had one more TD.

We averaged 3.4 yards per rush and 3.7 yards per pass. Our passing game out gained our running game by .3 yards each play. I honestly dont think that is normal. Now get out a 12 inch ruler, hold it up: That's how much more a pass play got than a run play.

Yeah..but if Warner had stayed in our D would have intercepted 10 of those extra 23 passes. We can all speculate and use revisionist history.

Coulda, woulda, shouda.

Its getting harder and harder to take you serious. :brickwall

 

[Fiddy]

Vick---Has shown all he needs to show Sun night, the mere fact you listed him as a good QB shows quite enough.

Without Vick, the Falcons are 3-11, with Vick, they are 31-18-1. Good QBs win and that is what he does.

 

[Frills]

Without Vick, the Falcons are 3-11, with Vick, they are 31-18-1. Good QBs win and that is what he does.

Or their backup blows

 

[Fiddy]

Yeah..but if Warner had stayed in our D would have intercepted 10 of those extra 23 passes. We can all speculate and use revisionist history.

Coulda, woulda, shouda.

Its getting harder and harder to take you serious. :brickwall

Our CBs werent even close to touching one of Warner's passes. He was carving us up until Babin took us out. Do you really think that Warner would have squandered those opportunities where the Cards started their drive from around the 50 yard line???

And mine is reasonable speculation to say that Warner would have continued finding open WRs because our secondary has been horrible the whole season. A 10 interception game has never happened.

 

[Frills]

Since when has Warner been non-injury prone?

Makes DC's durability even more of an asset

 

[Fiddy]

Or their backup blows

No, that's the Vick-effect. He makes the whole team better because he changes field position, makes the defense do stuff they don't want to, etc.

 

[Frills]

No, that's the Vick-effect. He makes the whole team better because he changes field position, makes the defense do stuff they don't want to, etc.

If you want to be taken seriously change your avatar.

Most NFL teams struggle with the back-up QB, there is no Vick effect, other than ATL misses the playoffs, or get ko'ed early

 

[Kaiser Toro]

The problem with my answer is that I will essentially evade your question, and say, I don't know.

Or, I will answer it with another. Can anyone on this board really say that our coaching staff and systems are good? If the answer is no, then why should we expect our players to perform well under/for them?

The bottom line is that I do not feel our coaches are doing the job right now. They do not utilize their talent, they do not run effective plays, they are extremely predictable in their playcalling and formations, and worst of all, they seem slow to recognize or admit to their mistakes. How many weeks did overweight, slow-footed Victor Riley start at tackle - a position he hasn't played successfully since college - before we finally pulled the plug on that component of the sack fiasco? How many times will we run some eight-man zone against Peyton Manning before we watch and learn from the successful defensive schemes utilized against him for the past four years?

The "Carr-haters" are right about one thing: any chump can throw five yard nickel and dimers all the way down the field. We drafted Carr because of his speed and his arm, and he isn't allowed to use either under the current scheme, because our O-line is either too badly-coached or too inept to give him the space to throw a deep ball.

Until we see new coaches and a GM, I guess I don't see why we should get rid of a guy like Carr who is simply the best he can be in a bad situation.

I have always felt the answer lies in the middle somewhere. The staff needs to go. What I cannot fathom, as a former collegiate player, is why does the #1 pick not have the cajones to come out and say give me the damn ball or give me the signal calling. This on top of his contract is why I have demonstrably down on DC. It comes to a point where the competitor in someone has got to come out.

 

[Fiddy]

If you want to be taken seriously change your avatar.

Most NFL teams struggle with the back-up QB, there is no Vick effect, other than ATL misses the playoffs, or get ko'ed early

Hold up...what was the NFC Championship game last year?? Oh yeah, Atlanta vs. Philly. Vick has gone as far as Manning in the playoffs.

If you wanna be taken seriously, please...type something that makes sense because the "ATL misses the playoffs, or get ko'ed early" really doesnt hold up when they were one game from the Super Bowl last year.

 

[Frills]

The NFC has been the AFC's (female dog) for how long now?

The NFC is the JV of the NFL

Last 8 seasons the AFC is 6-2 in the Superbowl.

 

[Fiddy]

The NFC has been the AFC's (female dog) for how long now?

The NFC is the JV of the NFL

Last 8 seasons the AFC is 6-2 in the Superbowl.

lol, you've just discredited how much it takes to get to the Superbowl...that's funny.

And you do know that the Patriots, responsible for 3 of those, won each superbowl by 3 points?? Complete dominance over the NFC, just unbelievable dominance. 3 whole points each game for a total of 9. Woah..I wonder why the NFC just doesnt forfeit. They have no chance when the other teams lose by 3.

 

[Ibar_Harry]

I have always felt the answer lies in the middle somewhere. The staff needs to go. What I cannot fathom, as a former collegiate player, is why does the #1 pick not have the cajones to come out and say give me the damn ball or give me the signal calling. This on top of his contract is why I have demonstrably down on DC. It comes to a point where the competitor in someone has got to come out.

Carr has always believed in his coaches and was taught that way from the get go. He is a yes sir type of person out of respect to his elders. It can be a fault. He may well have said a whole lot, but it was not made public. You will always hear him say Mr. McNair. He's not a make waves type of guy.

 

[Frills]

Carr has always believed in his coaches and was taught that way from the get go. He is a yes sir type of person out of respect to his elders. It can be a fault. He may well have said a whole lot, but it was not made public. You will always hear him say Mr. McNair. He's not a make waves type of guy.

Exactly.

He's a class act, you won't see him on a boat, in an armed robbery investigation, throwing his coaches/teammates under the bus.

He's a class act which infuriates some.

 

[zeplin]

Carr has always believed in his coaches and was taught that way from the get go. He is a yes sir type of person out of respect to his elders. It can be a fault. He may well have said a whole lot, but it was not made public. You will always hear him say Mr. McNair. He's not a make waves type of guy.

I concur. He is a class act. His parents raised him right. Can you imagine the problems it would have created if he had chosen to go with the Terrel Owens method.

 

[Frills]

I concur. He is a class act. His parents raised him right. Can you imagine the problems it would have created if he had chosen to go with the Terrel Owens method.

TO's issue is some coach making him a reciever back when he was young. All the anger he has toward his coaches, QB's and contracts stem from that. He always wanted to be the man, and he can't from the WR position.

 

[utahmark]

I have always felt the answer lies in the middle somewhere. The staff needs to go. What I cannot fathom, as a former collegiate player, is why does the #1 pick not have the cajones to come out and say give me the damn ball or give me the signal calling. This on top of his contract is why I have demonstrably down on DC. It comes to a point where the competitor in someone has got to come out.

who is to say he hasnt said any of that stuff. carr is not moss or k. johnson he would'nt say that kind of thing to the press.

also i havent heard any of those statements from aj. do you want him gone to?

 

[Kaiser Toro]

who is to say he hasnt said any of that stuff. carr is not moss or k. johnson he would'nt say that kind of thing to the press.

also i havent heard any of those statements from aj. do you want him gone to?

It may be my lack of football knowledge, but the leader on the offensive side of football has usually been the QB. Moreover, this is the first expansion team I have ever been a fan of, but Carr was the first pick of the team and his face is plastered all over the marketing materials. I would assume that he was the annointed leader of this team. AJ has said something and it only took him a couple if years, but we knew wen we picked him we were getting a silent type.