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Andre Johnson released - cut by Colts - signs with Titans

infantrycak said:
I think your definition of who will compete is too narrow.

And they'd just keep Wayne? Wayne's 3 years older and less productive in a much more prolific (50% over the Texans) passing attack.
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Maybe it is too narrow, but there aren't too many more teams AJ could go to and be in the convo as surefire contenders next year. & he certainly isn't the type of player that would put any other team less than that over the top either; at least he isn't anymore. & this isn't even factoring in the money he may want.

& yes Wayne is a little older but was still productive just a few seasons ago, he already has repoire (sp?) with Luck and can probably be had for cheaper. They've got Moncrief who came on late last year and Wayne like AJ would mainly be there for his veteran presence more than anything.
 
dalemurphy said:
There is one successful PR strategy in the NFL: winning... Losing teams have to manage PR to limit the damage losing causes to their brand. Risk is almost always strongly correlated with greatness. Innovation, thinking/acting out of the box, preemptive and unpopular action are common ingredients in the formative years of most great organizations (NFL and in most areas of life). It is encouraging to me to see the Texans acting courageously and outside of the popular opinion and doing so with priorities structured and ordered buy BOBrien.
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I disagree, and Houston Texans, Inc. have clearly proved otherwise.

This franchise has four winning seasons in 13 years.

Yet, in spite of not having a winning tradition, this franchise has 14 seasons (and counting) of consecutive stadium sellouts (with a 3-4 year waiting list).

This franchise is valued at no. 13 in Forbes "The World's 50 Most Valuable Sports Teams" list.

This organization's entire existence is a continuous successful PR strategy. Winning would bring even more money because of playoff games, but the Texans have clearly revealed that a franchise can have a successful PR strategy without having a winning tradition.

cuppacoffee said:
Let's see how many free agent players who don't want to play for this organization sign up this year.

Didn't seem to faze Jackson or Newton and they know more about this organization than you or I. You don't think they know both sides of the story?

And I doubt they will be the last to sign this year.

I think maybe AJ let his pride override his good judgment. Offered a chance to work less, take fewer hits? I'd be all over that if I were him. Couple more million and ride off into the sunset.

:coffee:
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I'm coming to the same conclusion as the bolded. After the initial shock wore off - mainly due to the owner's continuous public statements that A.J. would retire a Texan - I started thinking about the scenario that A.J.'s side put out there. If he wanted to be a pure team player, he sets his ego aside and does what he is asked to do in order to help this team win games.

The great Joe Montana had to be a back up to Steve Young, even sharing snaps at QB. If Joe Cool could do it, so can A.J.

From what we've been told, the Texans didn't even get to the point of asking him to reduce his salary. A.J. never let it get that far before he asked to play for another team.

Love ya' A.J., but as a Texans fan, I want what is best for the TEAM, not any one individual player.
 
Double Barrel said:
I disagree, and Houston Texans, Inc. have clearly proved otherwise.

This franchise has four winning seasons in 13 years.

Yet, in spite of not having a winning tradition, this franchise has 14 seasons (and counting) of consecutive stadium sellouts (with a 3-4 year waiting list).

This franchise is valued at no. 13 in Forbes "The World's 50 Most Valuable Sports Teams" list.

This organization's entire existence is a continuous successful PR strategy. Winning would bring even more money because of playoff games, but the Texans have clearly revealed that a franchise can have a successful PR strategy without having a winning tradition.



I'm coming to the same conclusion as the bolded. After the initial shock wore off - mainly due to the owner's continuous public statements that A.J. would retire a Texan - I started thinking about the scenario that A.J.'s side put out there. If he wanted to be a pure team player, he sets his ego aside and does what he is asked to do in order to help this team win games.

The great Joe Montana had to be a back up to Steve Young, even sharing snaps at QB. If Joe Cool could do it, so can A.J.

From what we've been told, the Texans didn't even get to the point of asking him to reduce his salary. A.J. never let it get that far before he asked to play for another team.

Love ya' A.J., but as a Texans fan, I want what is best for the TEAM, not any one individual player.
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Bravo!! I have been amazed at how many so called die hard fans have been clamoring so hard to put AJ's interests over the team's interests over the last few months and could care less about any consequences of holding onto his contract. Love the hell out of AJ, and I'll root for him whoever he goes unless he is a Colt or Bronco. I'll enjoy watching him either way, and I'm going to enjoy the growth of the new Texans that join our team for an improvement in our future.
 
WR Andre Johnson to me on if he should've had the right to play out his career for #Texans:

"The funny thing is that when (a player) asks to be traded or something, people get on you about honoring your contract. But when you've done a lot for an organization and they feel like you get old, then they don't have to honor their contract. I don't get where they come up with this honoring your contract when you're very very productive and you are doing great things for them.

I don't know a lot of guys in the league that catch 85 balls and have almost 1,000 yards that that's a down year for them. But you have a year like that and then it's 'well your old, we want to reduce your role,' and all this stuff--I don't get that.

But that's the nature of the business. Like I said, it doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense to a lot of people. That's just the way it is. I expected it to happen and I don't have any ill feelings against the Texans organization."
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http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sl4qpp
 
Double Barrel said:
I disagree, and Houston Texans, Inc. have clearly proved otherwise.

This franchise has four winning seasons in 13 years.
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We were an expansion team. Surely no one expected us to win in the first four years.

That said, we've got 4 winning seasons in 9 years, & only 3 losing seasons.

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Double Barrel said:
I'm coming to the same conclusion as the bolded. After the initial shock wore off - mainly due to the owner's continuous public statements that A.J. would retire a Texan - I started thinking about the scenario that A.J.'s side put out there. If he wanted to be a pure team player, he sets his ego aside and does what he is asked to do in order to help this team win games.

The great Joe Montana had to be a back up to Steve Young, even sharing snaps at QB. If Joe Cool could do it, so can A.J.

From what we've been told, the Texans didn't even get to the point of asking him to reduce his salary. A.J. never let it get that far before he asked to play for another team.

Love ya' A.J., but as a Texans fan, I want what is best for the TEAM, not any one individual player.
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Eh.

We don't know the whole story because only AJ's view is out there.

However...

They didn't have to tell him this sort of role right now, unless they were okay with shopping him. Nobody wants to spend that much money on a role player.

And given who was throwing him the ball and who will be throwing the ball in 2015, and that it isn't like it is Bill Belichick telling him his nu-role behind some nothingburger developmental guy, I think it is totally fine for Andre Johnson to have the point of view of * this noise.

Which he said in so many words, and said nice things about the Texans, but seriously, he shouldn't have to pretend that the Texans Are On The Right Track With Andre Johnson Being A Role Player because why the * should he feel that way? He shouldn't. Maybe they will get better, maybe they will get worse, maybe it happens long after Johnson retires. Who knows?

There's being a team player. And then there is being a sucker. He has already gone beyond team player, and likely had he had a good agent earlier in his career, he would already be gone years ago.

I'm always about the team over the player. I want what is best for the team. Not sure that there are clear views of what that is right now, but decision makers have to have some vision and commit to it. And I guess that is what we are seeing now. Want them to have the best of luck doing it because transitioning from solid players to new players is hard to do. The Texans have had mixed success doing that, but mostly bad experiences.
 
DX-TEX said:
I was hoping we were just ignoring 2010 and 2013 and act like they never happened
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Neither of which was a .500 season... but if it makes you feel better, we've had 4 winning and 5 non winning seasons in the 9 TK was talking about
 
JB said:
Neither of which was a .500 season... but if it makes you feel better, we've had 4 winning and 5 non winning seasons in the 9 TK was talking about
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I like to think of it as six non losing seasons & three losing seasons.

:koolaid:
 
JB said:
Neither of which was a .500 season... but if it makes you feel better, we've had 4 winning and 5 non winning seasons in the 9 TK was talking about
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Ill just continue to act like they don't exist.

K thanks.
 
This is a sad day, Good luck Andre and thanks for always working your ass off regardless of the craptastic teams around you. Wish things could've worked out better during your tenure.
 
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Texans_Chick said:
Eh.

We don't know the whole story because only AJ's view is out there.

However...

They didn't have to tell him this sort of role right now, unless they were okay with shopping him. Nobody wants to spend that much money on a role player.

And given who was throwing him the ball and who will be throwing the ball in 2015, and that it isn't like it is Bill Belichick telling him his nu-role behind some nothingburger developmental guy, I think it is totally fine for Andre Johnson to have the point of view of * this noise.

Which he said in so many words, and said nice things about the Texans, but seriously, he shouldn't have to pretend that the Texans Are On The Right Track With Andre Johnson Being A Role Player because why the * should he feel that way? He shouldn't. Maybe they will get better, maybe they will get worse, maybe it happens long after Johnson retires. Who knows?

There's being a team player. And then there is being a sucker. He has already gone beyond team player, and likely had he had a good agent earlier in his career, he would already be gone years ago.

I'm always about the team over the player. I want what is best for the team. Not sure that there are clear views of what that is right now, but decision makers have to have some vision and commit to it. And I guess that is what we are seeing now. Want them to have the best of luck doing it because transitioning from solid players to new players is hard to do. The Texans have had mixed success doing that, but mostly bad experiences.
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Couldn't have said it better myself TK and I think the bolded is a very valid point especially if he'd had someone like Drew Rosenhaus. AJ gave us his best years and believed in this team when no one had any reason to. I want him to be back with us to "see it through" as he said a few years back, but I know the reality of it all is that these are the moves that are necessary for this team to position itself to be better in the future. His contract along with Joseph and Cushing's are the last 2 bad contracts that we have to do something about so that this team can move forward.

It would just be a shame that we finally do evolve into a perennial contender just as AJ is leaving us. Wish dude the best.....unless he goes to the Colts or the Patriots...:pissed:
 
I think it's pretty simple. In the way I envision O'Brien's system, AJ and Hopkins are actually very similar, and would fill the same role.
I think O'Brien strongly wants a prototypical Patriot-type slot receiver, and I'm convinced that he wants a true burner opposite of Hopkins. I think that is the reason why AJ was told his role will be reduced.
I think when O'Brien fills out his receiving corps, AJ would be in the same role as Hop, not opposite of him.
 
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Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya!
 
PER AJ - http://espn.go.com/blog/houston-texans/

"The funny thing is that when (a player) asks to be traded or something, people get on you about honoring your contract," Johnson told Anderson. "But when you've done a lot for an organization and they feel like you get old, then they don't have to honor their contract. I don't get where they come up with this honoring your contract when you're very very productive and you are doing great things for them...

"I don't know a lot of guys in the league that catch 85 balls and have almost 1,000 yards that that's a down year for them. But you have a year like that and then it's 'well your old, we want to reduce your role,' and all this stuff -- I don't get that. But that's the nature of the business. Like I said, it doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense to a lot of people. That's just the way it is. I expected it to happen, and I don't have any ill feelings against the Texans organization."
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People can say WTF they want but i agree with everything he says here, especially the last part. He had a mediocra year with 4 different QBs, and they sau it is because he is getting old haha.
 
With another "mediocre" season of 85 catches, Andre Johnson will move into 5th place in career receptions. If he overachieves with 92, AJ pulls into 3rd behind only Jerry Rice and Tony Gonzalez. And he'll do it in an uniform other than Steel Blue.

Hey, the coach should get to coach the players he wants to coach. It's his job to build a team that wins. All I'm saying is, Coach O'Brien...you better win.

Andre, I will be a fan of yours always. Wherever that may be. Thanks for everything.
 
thunderkyss said:
We were an expansion team. Surely no one expected us to win in the first four years.

That said, we've got 4 winning seasons in 9 years, & only 3 losing seasons.

:koolaid:
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I think you completely missed the point that I was making with that post.

Go look at the post I was replying to and please try to follow along.

dalemurphy implied that winning is the only successful marketing strategy in the NFL. I merely pointed out that the history and financial success of the Houston Texans reveals otherwise. You can be a financially successful organization in the NFL without a winning tradition. Houston football fans have never bailed on this franchise in spite of two 2-14 seasons in 13 years.

Texans_Chick said:
Eh.

We don't know the whole story because only AJ's view is out there.

However...

They didn't have to tell him this sort of role right now, unless they were okay with shopping him. Nobody wants to spend that much money on a role player.

And given who was throwing him the ball and who will be throwing the ball in 2015, and that it isn't like it is Bill Belichick telling him his nu-role behind some nothingburger developmental guy, I think it is totally fine for Andre Johnson to have the point of view of * this noise.

Which he said in so many words, and said nice things about the Texans, but seriously, he shouldn't have to pretend that the Texans Are On The Right Track With Andre Johnson Being A Role Player because why the * should he feel that way? He shouldn't. Maybe they will get better, maybe they will get worse, maybe it happens long after Johnson retires. Who knows?

There's being a team player. And then there is being a sucker. He has already gone beyond team player, and likely had he had a good agent earlier in his career, he would already be gone years ago.

I'm always about the team over the player. I want what is best for the team. Not sure that there are clear views of what that is right now, but decision makers have to have some vision and commit to it. And I guess that is what we are seeing now. Want them to have the best of luck doing it because transitioning from solid players to new players is hard to do. The Texans have had mixed success doing that, but mostly bad experiences.
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The bolded is all we have, and that is an imcomplete picture.

It is from a player with his own agenda.

For all we know, he could have been told that 40 catches was on the possible low end that ranged from 40 catches to 90 catches.

And with regards to not starting, he could have been told that Hopkins is going to be the no. 1 WR, and in some offensive packages the Texans might only have a 1 WR set and utilize multiple TEs. I base this on how New England runs their offense, because that is the best example that we have to utilize at this point. And in a 1 WR package, if A.J. is not "the no. 1", then he would not be starting that particular game.

I'm not saying this is what happened, but is is certainly feasible in the speculation of how things went down.

I personally hate the way this is ending with A.J., but I know that I should have been prepared for it as an NFL fan. It is extremely rare that great players stick with one team for their entire careers due to a variety of reasons. My own shock last week was directly due to believing Mr. McNair was trustworthy. But, lesson learned, he's a salesman just like the other 31 owners, and you can never truly trust salesmen.

This is a new day and age in the land of the Houston Texans. This is how many successful teams operate. Bill Walsh once told one of his players that he had 8-9 more years of playing in the NFL. The player felt great about that comment, until Walsh said that he'd only be with the 49ers for 3-4 more years.

Walsh said "I only want the best years of a player. Let other teams pay for what they did during that time."

And I've got a gut feeling that this is how O'Brien operates, as well.
 
He'll definitely be going to New England. Not sure how much more I can take of my most beloved athletes going to my most hated franchises in sports/things in life.
 
Miami if he wants to go back home


Colts Cowboys if he chasing a ring

NE would be the obvs choice but teams usually never go back to back
 
Well, it's official. Good luck to our best player in franchise history. It was a blessing to have him over the past 12 years. He handled himself on and off the field the right way. As I said, I wish him nothing but good luck. It's tough but it may work out for both parties.
 
She asked Johnson about a preference of team: "Wherever I go, I hope I can play with a great quarterback."


Point taken.
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Have great rest of your career, AJ80!!!

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See you in a few years Dre, we will retire your jersey as soon as we can I hope! Good luck in your next adventure. Please don't sell out to any AFC south team, Denver or Green Bay, or Dallas
 
John Clayton just said Seattle would be the best fit for Johnson.

My dark horse team is San Diego. They have 29 million in cap space to work with and he'd be a great mentor to Keenan Allen. And for him he'd finally have a good QB and lets face it, San Diego's not a bad place to hang out in for a year or two.
 
He needs to go to Seattle. Their WR corps is **** and they could use him, even at a reduced version of himself, Russell Wilson is a good enough qb to get him the ball, he has instant cred with the younger WR's and most importantly, they're contenders.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
He'll definitely be going to New England. Not sure how much more I can take of my most beloved athletes going to my most hated franchises in sports/things in life.
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Had to see Emmitt Smith playing for the Cards, not much tops that.

Hopefully AJ goes someplace that gives him a reasonable chance to make the HOF.
 
To now officially know AJ is no longer a Texan, this makes this the saddest day in my Texans fandom life.

And i am serious, i am heart broken this happened.
 
The1ApplePie said:
Had to see Emmitt Smith playing for the Cards, not much tops that.

Hopefully AJ goes someplace that gives him a reasonable chance to make the HOF.
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Earl Campbell with the Saints, Hakeem Olajuwon with the Raptors, Nolan Ryan with the Rangers, Joe Montana with the Chiefs, Brett Favre with the Jets and Vikes, O.J. Simpson with the 9ers, it happens.
 
Speedy said:
Earl Campbell with the Saints, Hakeem Olajuwon with the Raptors, Nolan Ryan with the Rangers, Joe Montana with the Chiefs, Brett Favre with the Jets and Vikes, O.J. Simpson with the 9ers, it happens.
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If only this was just about players being on other teams to end their careers, and not willingly going to my most hated franchises/entities on the entire planet. Steve Nash and Andre Johnson, come on down.
 
I'm still convinced that his diva act last year turned BoB off. That plus the drops and fumbles last year and the writing was on the wall. He will go to NE, IND, or Miami.

Good luck.

Now on to those still on this team.
 
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