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Andre Johnson released - cut by Colts - signs with Titans
- Thread starter TheMatrix31
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Which makes me further question his ability as a coach. I've seen it said in this very thread, that a good coach takes what he's got and adjusts his offense/defense to their strengths. Don't really see O'Brien doing this
...well except for his use of Arian Foster.
Doppelganger
None
I agree. I think AJ would be a great weapon as a slot Shannon Sharpe type player. I think the problem comes down to money. How much is slot receiver worth? 6 mll per year? 6.5? If so, would Andre be willing to take such a large paycut without any realistic chance at a championship? Not sure. And, if you are the Texans, can you justify the size of that contract for that role?
Glad I don't have to make those types of decisions!
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Since having his hamstring tendon clipped, he has lost explosiveness and ability to stop and start and cut on a dime when running at any decent pace. His moves are those of a wily veteran doing his thing in a more open space where he can make slower, wider or softer turns and changes of direction. I don't really see him being successful in the slot role at all.
badboy
Hall of Fame
For me it is not what the position is worth but what could AJ do in that position. He would brutalize defenders and be that eat up clock, move the chains, get a 3rd and long into a first down, save the QB's butt we need. A speedster that can catch (no DJ) opposite Nuk to open deep combined with Foster to keep LBs up close allows AJ to chew up yards. Even better it makes the deep threat with Mallett a Superman Punch. If it is all about a ring with AJ and all about his production with OBrien, a reworked contract based on productivity is a natural.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Even against slower LBs and CB #3, Doc?
All explosiveness or just the level of explosiveness that we expected from young Andre?
I mean, O.D. was basically a slot receiver in the previous offense. Do you not think A.J. no longer has the physical tools to make those sorts of moves?
Are you really saying that AJ has become a slow, white dude?
banned1976
sleeper mode
:vincepalm:
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
All explosiveness or just the level of explosiveness that we expected from young Andre?
I mean, O.D. was basically a slot receiver in the previous offense. Do you not think A.J. no longer has the physical tools to make those sorts of moves?
Are you really saying that AJ has become a slow, white dude?
I don't believe that he's going to fool too many defenders in a confined space as he has in longer routes in more open space. If he does get relegated to that role, I'll be just as interested as anyone as to how he ultimately fairs, although I have my serious doubts that he will do as well as the typical slot player.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Let's see how many free agent players who don't want to play for this organization sign up this year.
Didn't seem to faze Jackson or Newton and they know more about this organization than you or I. You don't think they know both sides of the story?
And I doubt they will be the last to sign this year.
I think maybe AJ let his pride override his good judgment. Offered a chance to work less, take fewer hits? I'd be all over that if I were him. Couple more million and ride off into the sunset.
Further question? 9-7 as a rookie HC not good enough for you with 2-14 inherited talent and very little help from the draft? Did you also further question Kubiak's HC abilities after his rookie season of failed challenges/poor clock management?
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
Uh, yeah. We all did. And we continued to ***** about it for seven years or whatever the **** it was.
Good grief. You sound like a Barack Obama voter. Criticize Bush any time your Cult Leader is questioned in any way.
BOB apparently agrees with you.
I'm sorry but I couldn't resist.
I just hope AJ doesn't read that and go all
on me.
9-7 with Kubiak's assembled talent since, as you rightly pointed out, his first draft didn't add anything outside of Alfred Blue.
JCTexan
Hall of Fame
Let's see how many free agent players who don't want to play for this organization sign up this year.
Didn't seem to faze Jackson or Newton and they know more about this organization than you or I. You don't think they know both sides of the story?
And I doubt they will be the last to sign this year.
I think maybe AJ let his pride override his good judgment. Offered a chance to work less, take fewer hits? I'd be all over that if I were him. Couple more million and ride off into the sunset.
My point was the Texans are not going to be throwing AJ under the bus and they aren't going to air any dirty laundry in the media. That's why you will not be hearing from anybody inside the Texans organization about "their side" of this.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
A bit premature, don't you think?
banned1976
sleeper mode
I'm sorry but I couldn't resist.
I just hope AJ doesn't read that and go all
on me.
All I know is I AM a slow white guy. So I'm not even risking pissing AJ off. Schilling found out who those punks were that were trashing his daughter on twitter. I take no chances.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Not for a discussion of the talent on the team in 2014 which was the topic.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Let's see how many free agent players who don't want to play for this organization sign up this year.
Didn't seem to faze Jackson or Newton and they know more about this organization than you or I. You don't think they know both sides of the story?
And I doubt they will be the last to sign this year.
I think maybe AJ let his pride override his good judgment. Offered a chance to work less, take fewer hits? I'd be all over that if I were him. Couple more million and ride off into the sunset.
The Slot is an open invitation for AJ, at his age, especially with his height and with his long history of severe knee and ankle injuries, to assure him an even more shortened career than what he may now be expected to have. There is no doubt that the slot is a relatively more dangerous wide receiver position to play, one that specifically carries a high injury risk to the lower limbs in general.
Feb 19, 2013
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
Perhaps i misperceived a criticism?.. I thought Obsiwan suggested that enthusiasm for Obrien's coaching ability should be tempered, because of a failure to draft well in 2014. Perhaps not?
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
Plus reduced SAQ makes him even more of a concussion risk at a high risk position.
I was actually addressing SteelB's dismissing the talent that was already here - even though they finished 2-14 in 2013. He thinks that's who we were. I think that year was an injury-caused abberation.
But, in the spirit of full disclosure, I have yet to see anything in O'Brien to get overly excited about. For example, Kubiak's first draft - 2006 - was the bomb.
Mario, DeMeco, O.D., Eric Winston... all studs or at least solid starters. And you could say that David Anderson was a decent contributor (although it still chaps my hide that we passed on M. Colston to take him
)O'Brien's first draft, not so much. Only A. Blue could be considered a decent contributor and maybe Fiedorowicz.
I will allow that it's early in their careers and the 2014 draft class may all end up being studs. But not yet.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
I was actually addressing SteelB's dismissing the talent that was already here - even though they finished 2-14 in 2013. He thinks that's who we were. I think that year was an injury-caused abberation.
But, in the spirit of full disclosure, I have yet to see anything in O'Brien to get overly excited about. For example, Kubiak's first draft - 2006 - was the bomb.
Mario, DeMeco, O.D., Eric Winston... all studs or at least solid starters. And you could say that David Anderson was a decent contributor (although it still chaps my hide that we passed on M. Colston to take him
O'Brien's first draft, not so much. Only A. Blue could be considered a decent contributor and maybe Fiedorowicz.
I will allow that it's early in their careers and the 2014 draft class may all end up being studs. But not yet.
But he's SO. SMART.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
That doesn't even make sense football-wise. Why would you even want for a guy that has 112, 109 and 85 catches the last 3 years (1598, 1407, 936 in yards BTW), with virtually no QB, for the most part, to be limited to 40 catches? That's just dumb football.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Because everything the team knows that we don't says he is not going to do better and then throw in the whole cap cost..sounds like pretty solid football.
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
I was actually addressing SteelB's dismissing the talent that was already here - even though they finished 2-14 in 2013. He thinks that's who we were. I think that year was an injury-caused abberation.
But, in the spirit of full disclosure, I have yet to see anything in O'Brien to get overly excited about. For example, Kubiak's first draft - 2006 - was the bomb.
Mario, DeMeco, O.D., Eric Winston... all studs or at least solid starters. And you could say that David Anderson was a decent contributor (although it still chaps my hide that we passed on M. Colston to take him
O'Brien's first draft, not so much. Only A. Blue could be considered a decent contributor and maybe Fiedorowicz.
I will allow that it's early in their careers and the 2014 draft class may all end up being studs. But not yet.
Only thing i see OB do more that Kubiak rarely did is keep his foot on the gas no matter the size of the lead. I also see him taking more risks with the play calling, like going for it on 4th down, and throwing it on 3rd and 20 more often than not.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
Stop questioning God.
I was actually addressing SteelB's dismissing the talent that was already here - even though they finished 2-14 in 2013. He thinks that's who we were. I think that year was an injury-caused abberation.
But, in the spirit of full disclosure, I have yet to see anything in O'Brien to get overly excited about. For example, Kubiak's first draft - 2006 - was the bomb.
Mario, DeMeco, O.D., Eric Winston... all studs or at least solid starters. And you could say that David Anderson was a decent contributor (although it still chaps my hide that we passed on M. Colston to take him
O'Brien's first draft, not so much. Only A. Blue could be considered a decent contributor and maybe Fiedorowicz.
I will allow that it's early in their careers and the 2014 draft class may all end up being studs. But not yet.
Seems like a fair assessment. Except the Kubiak lead Texans finished 2-14. So that's who they were. Where we disagree is you think Kubiak is a better HC than BOB. (I could be wrong) I think BOB is a better HC than Kubiak as a rookie compared to Kubiak after 8 yrs on the job.
I think O'Brien is too smart for his own good. Kubiak was smart enough to know Carr wasn't the answer and gave two 2nds for Schaub (best backup at the time and knew his (Kubiak's) system in MARCH to make sure he (Schaub) was in OTAs, mini-camps, T/C, and everything so he'd be ready opening day.
O'Brien had a chance to pick up Mallet, a guy that had four years in his system meaning he'd be lightyears ahead of all the other QBs on the roster, for a 3rd (if we can believe the rumors) in time for camp so he could be ready opening day and just flat let the opportunity go right through his fingers.
And now Mallet could (hopefully not) get away from him altogether.
Sorry that doesn't sound smart to me.
playa465
Veteran
If AJ and the Texans can't come to terms on this issue then send AJ to Cleveland for whatever they can get...Browns have the money, a need at WR and AJ likes Johnny F. No need to play games, Texans don't want to pay AJ at current terms and AJ doesn't want to take a decrease/deferment at this point. This is all about the business. /story
DX-TEX
#TomSavageDontCare
Did anyone else notice the Eagles suddenly have almost no wide receivers (Maclin going to KC) and a **** ton of cap space? Could that be what the break through was on the Mallett negotiations?
hhhmmmm......
Maybe they can do us a solid and give us all the players they have taken from us over the years...but they can keep Jeff Maehl.
I'll give you that Kubiak should a lot of confidence in his ability to get starter-like results out of Schaub, sight unseen. & I admit he got good results.
Because O'Brien doesn't want to go that same route with Mallett is not a bad thing, imo. Kubiak was married to Schaub when he gave up two 2nds & a starter's contract. O'Brien doesn't seem like he wants to get married.
But since we still don't have a contract done with Mallett, I have to believe that is the main reason we didn't give up more than a conditional 7th two drafts removed. It would have been a one year rental, an audition for the rest of the NFL & I'm glad RickyBobby didn't let Mallett use us that way.
I'm not seeing the connection. Mallet was negotiating with the Jets, not Philly.
He's too slow to be a WR.
Billy Big Balls has totally taken over now, he's the man in charge, no doubt about it.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
I thought all the talk about AJ in the slot was message board speculation.
Can't recall the Texan org. ever offering that up. Entirely possible that I missed it though. Could have been used as a third down specialist, just make the first down. Kinda like Daniels was used. It's fairly obvious we haven't replaced Daniels yet. Reduced role = reduced contract. AJ wouldn't / couldn't accept the reduced role. Speculation...I know...but that is what MB posters do,
I 'didn't say that BOB did everything right in his rookie yr as a HC, he would probably tell you the same thing.
I would've given up a 3rd for Mallett in the offseason. But I can see the other side of the picture, the Texans weren't going to win a SB last yr with or without Mallett so you wait and pay as little as possible for Mallett,
El Tejano
Hall of Fame
I thought all the talk about AJ in the slot was message board speculation.
Can't recall the Texan org. ever offering that up. Entirely possible that I missed it though. Could have been used as a third down specialist, just make the first down. Kinda like Daniels was used. It's fairly obvious we haven't replaced Daniels yet. Reduced role = reduced contract. AJ wouldn't / couldn't accept the reduced role. Speculation...I know...but that is what MB posters do,
If you go back and look at the season, that's pretty much what AJ was anyways. A possession receiver. Go back and look at our wins, save for the first Indy game, his numbers show possession receiver type numbers. He also had 3 fumbles.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
To the contrary. First 7 games and last 2 he was not used as a possession guy. There was a stretch from weeks 8 thru 13 when they were short passing him. Still wasn't as an interior guy.
Look at his game log - it's real stark.
texan279
Hall of Fame
Totally agree. if he signs with indy I will puke.
Maybe/ Maybe not. He'll surely be disappointed if he was looking for 10-11 mil/yr. though.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
I think if he's truely wanting out to compete for a championship and he's willing to take less, he's only got a few options as it is..Seattle & NE. But if he thinks he's gonna be able to compete for a championship & get 8-9 million or more and be somewhat of a feature guy he's got none....Maybe Indy. But with them opting not to bring back Reggie Wayne, i can't see them willing to pay him that much...Might as well keep Wayne if that's the case....after all those guys are about the same age anyway.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Quote:
Dianna Marie Russini @NBCdianna · 5m 5 minutes ago
Houston's Andre Johnson will be getting cut today per sources #Texans
Never thought I would read that.
Too bad it has to end that way, but that's life in the NFL I suppose.
Not sorry it's ended, but it is a sad ending if you know what I mean.
No place for sentiment.
Dianna Marie Russini @NBCdianna · 5m 5 minutes ago
Houston's Andre Johnson will be getting cut today per sources #Texans
Never thought I would read that.
Too bad it has to end that way, but that's life in the NFL I suppose.
Not sorry it's ended, but it is a sad ending if you know what I mean.
No place for sentiment.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I think your definition of who will compete is too narrow.
And they'd just keep Wayne? Wayne's 3 years older and less productive in a much more prolific (50% over the Texans) passing attack.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
I thought all the talk about AJ in the slot was message board speculation.
Can't recall the Texan org. ever offering that up. Entirely possible that I missed it though. Could have been used as a third down specialist, just make the first down. Kinda like Daniels was used. It's fairly obvious we haven't replaced Daniels yet. Reduced role = reduced contract. AJ wouldn't / couldn't accept the reduced role. Speculation...I know...but that is what MB posters do,
I know I brought up slot as a possible source of miscommunication regarding catch numbers and starting role, but that was definitely speculation and not reporting.