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Andre Johnson released - cut by Colts - signs with Titans

Didn't say he wasn't productive. I do think you overestimate how threatening he was the past few seasons, though. How many WRs can do what AJ can do right now? There has to be 40 or 50 guys. How many WRs can stretch the defense with great speed and/or become playmakers after the catch (things AJ can no longer do)?

If AJ is thrown 150 balls and plays are designed to create space for him, of course he can put up 100 catches and 1200 yards. So what? That is true of 50 NFL WRs. Certainly it is true of Hopkins, who i beleive will benefit more from having a deep threat opposite him than having a declining HOFer.

ok, you're entilted to your opinion. Mine is that Hopkins greatly benefited from the coverage being rolled AJ's way. If you were watching a different game or thought Hopkins was just blowing people away, you'll certainly enjoy the future.
 
ok, you're entilted to your opinion. Mine is that Hopkins greatly benefited from the coverage being rolled AJ's way. If you were watching a different game or thought Hopkins was just blowing people away, you'll certainly enjoy the future.

Defenses don't focus their attention on AJ anymore. They focus on stopping the running game. AJ and Hopkins both faced double coverage in passing situations at various times last season. What the team lacks is speed on the outside which causes the coverage to loosen and stretch... AJ doesn't do that anymore.. Hopkins doesn't either. The Texans need someone that does. Therefore, keeping the 25 yr old physical receiver who costs $1 million and replacing the 34 yr old physical receiver who costs $16 million makes some sense.!
 
I have dated, married had a child and yet we still seem to be in rebuild mode. Im tired of seeing other teams draft well, find gems late in the draft, play in the playoffs while we stay in rebuild mode.

That's what I'm saying. If we're rebuilding, lets start dumping all the big contracts. Jjo, Meyers, let Kj walk... everything we should be doing now should be about maximizing our cap space for the future.

Pushing Andre out right now... & just Andre, does not fit that narrative.
 
Dre wasn't a BoB guy.. He was a hold over from the previous
regime.

BoB is a less accomplished Bellichick. He's gonna have it his way
or not at all.

When Dre held out last year, he sealed his own fate.

People argued that Dre lost a step last year -- seems like he sure
found it when Keenum was in.

I just get the feeling that Dre's reduced numbers were due to
StinkyPete looking at D-Hop first. (whether that was on BoB's
orders or not, I don't know)

But either way, our first and only shot at a Hall of Fame player is
walking out the door before camp..

It will be a total kick in the sack if Dre has a Pat's logo on his
helmet next year -- the irony!
 
Wow ... Bill O'Brien has brought professional football to Houston . Pay them when they produce and move on when they don't earn the money . The Texans used to speculate stardom and then let them loose when they didn't play up to the contract . It's a business .

AJ made a choice and it's not like he wanted to stay . I expect more veterans to head down the same path .
 
It's just business and that I'm not upset about.

How the Texans conduct their business makes me sick though. Bob should be proud of himself. It only took him what? 14 years to get the experience necessary to become good enough to be indistinguishable from the other 31 lying sacks of **** that own NFL teams. Give him 5-6 more years and we'll never know Bud left.

The only thing keeping this team from being the most inept franchise on earth is the existence of the Cleveland Browns.

If I was Andre Johnson I'd be making a b-line for Andrew Luck and the Colts. Might finally get to win a game in Indianapolis before he retires.
 
It will be interesting to see where he goes and for how much. He would be a good fit on the Seahawks or Colts. Denver is an obvious choice but he would be 2nd fiddle at best, which he is trying to avoid.

I'd rather spend the 16 mill on him than to have to see Manning with another HOF receiver to throw to especially with Kubiak over there to have Manning and all of those all pros make I'm look good. Good lord I'd hate to see that. The Broncos have had some of the most stacked rosters I've ever seen the last few years.

I think that Seattle is a spot that could really use AJ and give him some help. NE has needed a deep threat for years so I'm not sure why they'd want to pay what AJ is likely to demand.
 
Dre wasn't a BoB guy.. He was a hold over from the previous
regime.

BoB is a less accomplished Bellichick. He's gonna have it his way
or not at all.

When Dre held out last year, he sealed his own fate.

People argued that Dre lost a step last year -- seems like he sure
found it when Keenum was in.

I just get the feeling that Dre's reduced numbers were due to
StinkyPete looking at D-Hop first. (whether that was on BoB's
orders or not, I don't know)

But either way, our first and only shot at a Hall of Fame player is
walking out the door before camp..

It will be a total kick in the sack if Dre has a Pat's logo on his
helmet next year -- the irony!

Because dre wasn't a BoB guy?

Holdover from the previous regime?

Really?
 
It's the Patriots way. Get rid of big salary and/or aging guys.

Nope.... this is not the patriots way. The Patriots would get value for their aging players. They traded Seymour for a first round pick. They traded Mankins to the Bucs for a fourth & a TE.

Doing this to Andre, is not the Patriots way.
 
Can we replace 147 Target 85/936/3TDs? LINK
5th Most targets, tied for 13th most receptions.

  • Andre Johnson, WR 85 147 936 11.0 3
  • Jeremy Maclin, WR 85 143 1,318 15.5 10 (FA - $5.2M)
  • Jimmy Graham, TE 85 124 889 10.5 10 (Avg $10M))
  • Alshon Jeffery, WR 85 145 1,133 13.3 10 (Rookie Salary, Avg $1M, 3rd most catches on his team)
  • Greg Olsen, TE 84 122 1,008 12.0 6 (Avg $4.5M)
  • Jarvis Landry, WR 84 111 758 9.0 5 (Rookie)
  • Anquan Boldin, WR 83 130 1,062 12.8 5 (Avg $6M)
  • Le'Veon Bell, RB 83 105 854 10.3 3 (A RB)

2 guys on rookie deals, 2 TE, a RB, and older WR, and a FA WR. $16M is a lot for what we're getting.
 
This doesn't surprise me in the least.

Maybe now they can make some moves and start revitalizing the WR position.

I love Dre, but we all knew we were going to be looking for something else this offseason.
 
It's just business and that I'm not upset about.

How the Texans conduct their business makes me sick though. Bob should be proud of himself. It only took him what? 14 years to get the experience necessary to become good enough to be indistinguishable from the other 31 lying sacks of **** that own NFL teams. Give him 5-6 more years and we'll never know Bud left.

The only thing keeping this team from being the most inept franchise on earth is the existence of the Cleveland Browns.

If I was Andre Johnson I'd be making a b-line for Andrew Luck and the Colts. Might finally get to win a game in Indianapolis before he retires.

What on god earth are you talking about? How they conduct their business? They allowed him to go out and seek a trade he would like instead of keeping him in the dark about likely cutting him. This was a move that anyone could have seen since last off season. It would have been done then if AJ wouldn't have been so dumb and waited until after free agency to demand a trade. The Texans are conducting business just fine on this issue and its about the best way they could have handled it.
 
Nope.... this is not the patriots way. The Patriots would get value for their aging players. They traded Seymour for a first round pick. They traded Mankins to the Bucs for a fourth & a TE.

Doing this to Andre, is not the Patriots way.

They're not doing anything to Andre. His bloated salary and his Diva mind set that he's a top WR in the league is doing it to him. His options are find someone to take on that salary, take a cut, or be cut. How is that not the Patriots way? Pats sure did it to Lawyer Milloy 7 years into his career and he managed 8 more years before retiring.
 
2 guys on rookie deals, 2 TE, a RB, and older WR, and a FA WR. $16M is a lot for what we're getting.

If they asked Andre to take a pay cut & he refused, I'd be on that side. A $16M cap hit for anyone short of a QB is ridiculous imo (& that includes JJ Watt). But so far, what we're being told is that money never even came up.

They're asking Andre to come off the bench & play behind the likes of Devier Posey & Demarris Johnson.
 
The only thing keeping this team from being the most inept franchise on earth is the existence of the Cleveland Browns.

.

I'm on record as stating AJ at 34 having a productive year is supported by stats of his peers on the all-time WR list. I am truly sorry to see him go.

That being said, the entertainment value of this thread is starting to reach All-Pro level.
 
If they asked Andre to take a pay cut & he refused, I'd be on that side. A $16M cap hit for anyone short of a QB is ridiculous imo (& that includes JJ Watt). But so far, what we're being told is that money never even came up.

They're asking Andre to come off the bench & play behind the likes of Devier Posey & Demarris Johnson.


If you think every part of that conversation is ever going to come out, you're mistaken TK. Let's be realistic here. Is it about playing time or $16M? If he doesn't think he can beat the likes of Posey and D.Johnson for playing time, then he needs to go...especially if $16M is still on the table. In the worst of light they offered him $16M and said he needs to compete. In the best of light they said he needs to take a cut. Either way it's not a Texans issue, it's an AJ issue.
 
If you think every part of that conversation is ever going to come out, you're mistaken TK. Let's be realistic here. Is it about playing time or $16M? If he doesn't think he can beat the likes of Posey and D.Johnson for playing time, then he needs to go...especially if $16M is still on the table. In the worst of light they offered him $16M and said he needs to compete. In the best of light they said he needs to take a cut. Either way it's not a Texans issue, it's an AJ issue.

We know Aj has been willing to restructure his contract to help the Texans do what they needed to do. It's not too hard to conceive a deal that would allow Andre to play for the Texans for the two more years he says he wants to play & save the Texans the same $8.8M they would save by trading Andre.

We know they didn't make an offer to Mario Williams.

We know they paid more to acquire Ed Reed than it would have cost to secure Glover Quin.

We know they cut a healthy OD the day after he said he was willing to take a pay cut.

I don't know about you, but I'm seeing a trend.
 
Ok, now that I have had time to absorb and think about a response.....here goes.

First off, I for one am not upset about this due to some "loyalty" bullshit that some want to use to try to somehow belittle people who are upset about this. That's fuqng stupid.

I'm ok with Andre being traded or released. Frankly, I posted last year or the year before that I WANTED Andre to go so he could actually win and get the hell away from this burning train wreck fap fap bullshit year after year. I personally would have enjoyed seeing him win a SB with NE last year. He could have been traded last year or the year before and we would have gotten much more in return. But what did the Texans do? They told him (this was not rumor, this was reported) that he just needed to hang tight through 2014 and that they he would retire as a Texan, etc fap fap etc.

So they wasted another year, had him restructure year after year which helps the Texans (so none of this Andre is being selfish myopic bullshit) then basically tell him he is washed up and chunk deuces at him and we won't get much in return? Seriously breh?

Yeah Andre is washed up.... He was only like #12 in receptions last year (with a **** brigade at QB and a rookie HC) and in recent years just before that was STILL putting up elite numbers.....yeah tell me how washed the fuq up he is again. And oh yeah, we're fuqng SOLID at WR......oh wait..... Yeah, Andre would have a "diminished" role next year but it wouldn't be because he sucks, it's because we have no one to get him the damn ball and no one to figure out how to get him the damn ball should we have someone who could deliver it to him.

So I'm not upset he is leaving, I'm bothered by how and why he is leaving and the lies and circumstances around it. Hey, maybe Rick Smith can waste MORE draft picks and tell us how awesome it is and how it's all part of the plan. What they do with the draft picks and cap space they are about to get will be huge. However, we can all sleep easy knowing they'll pick up garbage players and fuq that up as usual...hello the next Ed Reed, come on down!! Hey, maybe we can pass on a Peyton Manning type player again (talk about the loyalty crap....how about the Texans staying loyal to Schaub and giving him a ridiculous contract before he should have gotten one).

All I can hope at this point is that at some point in the future this dumb fuqng organization can somehow mend the fence with Andre and Andre do likewise and we can all celebrate him going into the HOF as a TEXAN. For right now, thanks for pissing on the face of this consistently .500 or less organization with how you totally bungled and mismanaged this. That I think is the beef people have or at least the one I have. Way to show no grace or know how to act like a big time team.

Again, in summation, just to be crystal clear, not upset he is leaving, but how it all was handled which I guess I shouldn't be surprised by this kind of **** from this FO.
 
Wish he could have retired a Texan, but the minute he pulled the diva crap last off-season I figured he wouldn't. Great player, and will go down as one of the best this team had ... but right now its the right move.

At one time he was a class act, but that time has come and gone. He can take his crying and ball-dropping somewhere else, and we can move on and use the money on other needs.

Thanks for the memories Dre .. good luck.
 
Madden 2015

lol - well done.



Does anyone else feel that Andre's comment don't sit well with them? If it truly is that the Texans asked him to take a reduced role and he balked then he is not a team first player anymore.

What happened to, I will do whatever it takes to win?

I still think its about money, but both sides are trying not to be the bad guy.
 
We know Aj has been willing to restructure his contract to help the Texans do what they needed to do. It's not too hard to conceive a deal that would allow Andre to play for the Texans for the two more years he says he wants to play & save the Texans the same $8.8M they would save by trading Andre.

We know they didn't make an offer to Mario Williams.

We know they paid more to acquire Ed Reed than it would have cost to secure Glover Quin.

We know they cut a healthy OD the day after he said he was willing to take a pay cut.

I don't know about you, but I'm seeing a trend.

In his last three seasons, Mario had 22.5 sacks, culminating in a season ending injury going into FA. And if there was ever anyone that it was obvious they were taking plays off...

Quin was a miss. Every organization has them.

"Healthy" OD? In eight seasons he only made all 16 games twice. Great talent, but was always hurt. They had Graham and Griffin who both showed they were effective TE's. Graham (younger and cheaper) went 49/545 in 2013 when OD was hurt, which is almost the exact same stats that OD had with the Ravens in 2014. Not Graham's fault that the TE's were under-utilized this year.
 
It's just business and that I'm not upset about.

How the Texans conduct their business makes me sick though. Bob should be proud of himself. It only took him what? 14 years to get the experience necessary to become good enough to be indistinguishable from the other 31 lying sacks of **** that own NFL teams. Give him 5-6 more years and we'll never know Bud left.

The only thing keeping this team from being the most inept franchise on earth is the existence of the Cleveland Browns.

If I was Andre Johnson I'd be making a b-line for Andrew Luck and the Colts. Might finally get to win a game in Indianapolis before he retires.

Hervy could you please find a family member to console you, you are starting to worry me.Stay away from knives and sharp objects, OK big guy ?
BTW, Andre can still play here but it's at the reduced market rate, the going rate for vet WRs who can't even outrun slow DBs anymore. In the meantime he's still got that fat bank account with 10s of millions or hundreds of millions he was paid by the Texans for over a decade.
 
You people actually belief the "reduced role, 40 catch" BS? From one of my sources within the Texans, I got this: team asked AJ to redo contract to lower cap number this year and next. AJ said no, said he would not be happy here if that's how organization felt about his abilities. Team said we have too many holes to fill and you are not going to be able to produce like you once did as you get older. AJ said he would rather leave the team if that's how they wanted it. They agreed to the "40 catch" to the media to save face for AJ and hopefully help his situation with other teams. My source said if AJ had agreed to restructure then he would have retired a Texan. He said the coaching staff is not stupid and know AJ is still capable of being a good WR but not worthy of the kind of cap hit he would have for next 2 seasons. My source says things around Reliant Park are a lot different now than they were under 2 previous regimes. He said make no mistake about it, this Bill O'Brien's team and if you are not a team first guy you have no place within the Texans organization.

I have several contacts with the Texans through personal and business relationships. The one who told me this is very credible. He said fans have to remember that the NFL is a business, and business is all about being paid for what you are worth today not what you were worth in years past. He said if fans don't like the Patriots way of running their team then maybe they should seek a team other than the Texans to cheer for.
 
"I'm not upset that they lost. I'm just upset at how they lost."

I've lost count how many times I've read that around here.

And somehow convincing yourself that this wasn't truly about the money, is about the only way you can sincerely be surprised or upset about this move.
 
You people actually belief the "reduced role, 40 catch" BS? From one of my sources within the Texans, I got this: team asked AJ to redo contract to lower cap number this year and next. AJ said no, said he would not be happy here if that's how organization felt about his abilities. Team said we have too many holes to fill and you are not going to be able to produce like you once did as you get older. AJ said he would rather leave the team if that's how they wanted it. They agreed to the "40 catch" to the media to save face for AJ and hopefully help his situation with other teams. My source said if AJ had agreed to restructure then he would have retired a Texan. He said the coaching staff is not stupid and know AJ is still capable of being a good WR but not worthy of the kind of cap hit he would have for next 2 seasons. My source says things around Reliant Park are a lot different now than they were under 2 previous regimes. He said make no mistake about it, this Bill O'Brien's team and if you are not a team first guy you have no place within the Texans organization.

If that's the way it went down, then fine. I have no problem with that. I even respect the Texans if they agreed to the "40 catch" story, though I don't understand how it helps Andre.

But I'll say it again. If our starting WRs are on this team now... Hop & Posey, Hop & Martin, Hop & Demarius... I'm going to be pissed & there's no way you can convince me that they tried hard enough to keep Andre.

& I'm not saying they needed to bend over backwards to keep him. If they offered him a deal where we'd save $8.8M against the 2015 cap (same as cutting/trading him), $8~ $10M against the 2016 cap & Andre balked, then that's on Andre. That's business. That I can understand & have no problem with.
 
You people actually belief the "reduced role, 40 catch" BS? From one of my sources within the Texans, I got this: team asked AJ to redo contract to lower cap number this year and next. AJ said no, said he would not be happy here if that's how organization felt about his abilities. Team said we have too many holes to fill and you are not going to be able to produce like you once did as you get older. AJ said he would rather leave the team if that's how they wanted it. They agreed to the "40 catch" to the media to save face for AJ and hopefully help his situation with other teams. My source said if AJ had agreed to restructure then he would have retired a Texan. He said the coaching staff is not stupid and know AJ is still capable of being a good WR but not worthy of the kind of cap hit he would have for next 2 seasons. My source says things around Reliant Park are a lot different now than they were under 2 previous regimes. He said make no mistake about it, this Bill O'Brien's team and if you are not a team first guy you have no place within the Texans organization.

I have several contacts with the Texans through personal and business relationships. The one who told me this is very credible. He said fans have to remember that the NFL is a business, and business is all about being paid for what you are worth today not what you were worth in years past. He said if fans don't like the Patriots way of running their team then maybe they should seek a team other than the Texans to cheer for.

That sounds more like it ...
 
"I'm not upset that they lost. I'm just upset at how they lost."

I've lost count how many times I've read that around here.

I've lost count too. Because I also lost count of just how blatantly inept this team has been both on and off the field since just about the word go. Low light reel after low light reel on the field, mistake by the FO after mistake by the FO off of it. Sometimes being disappointed not by the end result but how you arrived at it is in fact valid, from my experience anyway.

And somehow convincing yourself that this wasn't truly about the money, is about the only way you can sincerely be surprised or upset about this move.

This I'm quite sure had a part in it, I don't know that anyone is saying money is not involved, at least I'm not. However, I don't believe it was a scenario where Andre was demanding a kings ransom or something like that. He has proven to be willing to restructure and I think he knows he's not 23 anymore so I have a hard time believing he was being some diva and slamming his shoe on the table like Brezhnez demanding more money.
 
You people actually belief the "reduced role, 40 catch" BS? From one of my sources within the Texans, I got this: team asked AJ to redo contract to lower cap number this year and next. AJ said no, said he would not be happy here if that's how organization felt about his abilities. Team said we have too many holes to fill and you are not going to be able to produce like you once did as you get older. AJ said he would rather leave the team if that's how they wanted it. They agreed to the "40 catch" to the media to save face for AJ and hopefully help his situation with other teams. My source said if AJ had agreed to restructure then he would have retired a Texan. He said the coaching staff is not stupid and know AJ is still capable of being a good WR but not worthy of the kind of cap hit he would have for next 2 seasons. My source says things around Reliant Park are a lot different now than they were under 2 previous regimes. He said make no mistake about it, this Bill O'Brien's team and if you are not a team first guy you have no place within the Texans organization.

I have several contacts with the Texans through personal and business relationships. The one who told me this is very credible. He said fans have to remember that the NFL is a business, and business is all about being paid for what you are worth today not what you were worth in years past. He said if fans don't like the Patriots way of running their team then maybe they should seek a team other than the Texans to cheer for.

:bravo:
 
It's the Patriots way. Get rid of big salary and/or aging guys. As much as I have loved having AJ as a Texan, I'm not torn up about him leaving. It's the nature of the business. Plus last years fiasco left a bitter taste. I'd rather concentrate on the team and not one players needs/desires. Even if it is our all time best player.
Agree 100%
 
Thought OD was released with failed physical designation.

You are correct. Besides, Daniels was set to count $6.25 million against the cap. With the Texans having just $10 million in space, clearing Daniels' $4.5 million in savings was a necessity.

As it turned out, his knee injuries, especially his last 2013 tibia plateau fracture, finally led to a very questionable 2014 performance. He only missed one game in 2014, but in only 7 games did he ever have more than 2 receptions (never more than 6 receptions)............and all but 1 of those games were in the first 8 games of the season. From mid October 2014, he was consistently on the Injury Report for his knee, reflecting the classic "wear down" of a tibia plateau fracture (this is not to even mention his multiple previous ACL repairs).
 
I really wish we drafted Sammy Watkins last year
Hindsight is 20-20 but Odell Beckham Jr. looks like a mega superstar after his breakout rookie season with the New York Giants. We could have traded down for him and still netted additional picks. Heck, if we had taken him number one overall and he put up those sexy stats here it would have been justified. I'm trying to imagine Odell Beckham Jr. and DeAndre Hopkins. Oh man, that would have been hard to cover. We could have picked up a slot guy like Tyler Lockett in this upcoming draft. Still can, but with Andre Johnson on the way out and not a whole lot on the other side of Hopkins I think we may as well draft a wideout at pick #16 in this draft, and another one in the third or fourth round. We need some weapons for Ryan Mallett to throw to. Seems like Mallett is going to be our guy moving forward.
 
You people actually belief the "reduced role, 40 catch" BS? From one of my sources within the Texans, I got this: team asked AJ to redo contract to lower cap number this year and next. AJ said no, said he would not be happy here if that's how organization felt about his abilities. Team said we have too many holes to fill and you are not going to be able to produce like you once did as you get older. AJ said he would rather leave the team if that's how they wanted it. They agreed to the "40 catch" to the media to save face for AJ and hopefully help his situation with other teams. My source said if AJ had agreed to restructure then he would have retired a Texan. He said the coaching staff is not stupid and know AJ is still capable of being a good WR but not worthy of the kind of cap hit he would have for next 2 seasons. My source says things around Reliant Park are a lot different now than they were under 2 previous regimes. He said make no mistake about it, this Bill O'Brien's team and if you are not a team first guy you have no place within the Texans organization.

I have several contacts with the Texans through personal and business relationships. The one who told me this is very credible. He said fans have to remember that the NFL is a business, and business is all about being paid for what you are worth today not what you were worth in years past. He said if fans don't like the Patriots way of running their team then maybe they should seek a team other than the Texans to cheer for.

This sounds very plausible.
 
Looks like the Texans tried to finesse a salary decrease with the 'reduced role' gambit. Andre obviously saw straight through it. Regardless of how this played out, you have to hand it to the new regime for making the tough decision... a year too late in my estimation, if. we'd have done this last year, there may have been some value in a trade and we'd have eaten the cap hit by now. I don't see us picking up much if anything in trade value, but even if we get a 5th or 6th it's better than nothing. (Not that we are drafting very well at the moment, but that's another subject).

Anyway, goodbye to 'Dre, the first Texans superstar, a classy guy and a loyal servant. It's a new era, and time to embrace change. Let's hope BoB can get what he needs from the draft and free-agency, because we now have a great big '80' shaped hole lined up next to all the other gaps in this roster.
 
dude we are in rebuild mode year #2 we are not going to do much to replace AJ but moving up or getting a mid teir WR in F/a


all we can do is hope our #2 WR production will be more then what AJ could do and our #3 slot wr will also be more productive
I wouldn't call it a rebuild year at all. Coming off a 9-7 season and we nearly beat the Colts at Indianapolis for the first time in franchise history late in the year, lost 17-10, in a game Andre Johnson didn't even play in (out with concussion). We just need to find a stable quarterback... If it's Ryan Mallett then let's hope he stays healthy in 2015. I think we can make the playoffs this upcoming season without Andre Johnson. I hope he goes to an AFC team like the Patriots so we can beat him in the playoffs and make him regret wanting to leave Houston in the first place.

I think defensively the Houston Texans are very close to becoming something special. It would be nice if Jadeveon Clowney comes back strong. If our pass rush is consistently dominating it can make our secondary look a lot better whether we have young inexperienced guys back there or we end up keeping the veterans like Johnathan Joseph and Kareem Jackson. I like what the Houston Texans have going right now. If Andre Johnson doesn't want to be a part of it then good luck elsewhere.

Most Texans fans want to panic and talk about Andre Johnson on the way out. I'm more focused on the long-term future and winning Super Bowls. It sucks we'll win our first Super Bowl one day without Andre Johnson but that's the way things go.
 
Imagine Dez Bryant & Andre Johnson on the same team.
Dallas can't afford him. They're going to lose DeMarco Murray. Heck, I'd be all over Murray if I didn't think Arian Foster still had a lot left in the tank. I saw Adrian Peterson the other day. He looks rested and motivated. He's probably going to have a 1,800-yard rushing season in 2015. I just hope the Colts don't end up with one of those two running backs. The Vikings want to keep Adrian Peterson but he doesn't want to return to Minnesota. I think DeMarco Murray is going to end up signing with the Colts. If that happens our defense better be ready to stop what could be the best offense in the NFL in 2015, not once, but twice, and maybe three times if we play the Colts in the playoffs. The good news is I think our defense has the potential to become the best defense in the league but that's if healthy and if we add a few more pieces in this draft and free agency.
 
Thought OD was released with failed physical designation.

You are correct. Besides, Daniels was set to count $6.25 million against the cap. With the Texans having just $10 million in space, clearing Daniels' $4.5 million in savings was a necessity.

As it turned out, his knee injuries, especially his last 2013 tibia plateau fracture, finally led to a very questionable 2014 performance. He only missed one game in 2014, but in only 7 games did he ever have more than 2 receptions (never more than 6 receptions)............and all but 1 of those games were in the first 8 games of the season. From mid October 2014, he was consistently on the Injury Report for his knee, reflecting the classic "wear down" of a tibia plateau fracture (this is not to even mention his multiple previous ACL repairs).

Y'all miss the point on several accounts. First this is the typical MO for Bob McNair, plan for today, tomorrow, not so much. For perspective purposes Daniels played 822 snaps and Graham 566. If they had kept Daniels and let Graham walk the Texans would've received a 2016 comp pick. That single move alone would've almost doubled available cap space in 2015 and added a comp pick in 2016. If the Texans had just kept Manning instead of cutting him and then re-signing him they would've added another 2016 comp pick.

This is why the Texans need a real GM who can make smarter decisions for today as well a tomorrow. If you plan for 2018 and 2017 the 2015 season will take care of it itself and be much more competitive than if just plan for the season 2015. That's also why they needed to trade AJ last year, he was at the age that decline sets in and they could've received a day 2 pick. Now imagine if the Texans had done the above, Daniels $6.3M drops off the books and AJ doesn't have $7.7M in dead money. That's $17M in additional 2015 cap space and (2) 2016 comp picks. Yep the the Texans need a GM with a vision who can understand, see and can plan accordingly. Doubtful it happens, a HC has 1 year tunnel vision and if Bob McNair also has tunnel vision and if he can't see it, or understand it, it's not going to happen.
 
The switch from last off season's "make Andre play for the Texans or retire" tough talk to the "All right! The Texans finally dumped Johnson" vitriol is making my head spin. I hope I don't get dizzy and fall down.
 
He said fans have to remember that the NFL is a business, and business is all about being paid for what you are worth today not what you were worth in years past. He said if fans don't like the Patriots way of running their team then maybe they should seek a team other than the Texans to cheer for.

You're completely right. A business is valued by its FUTURE CASH FLOWS, not what it made in the past. I don't give a **** what happened in the past. I'm only using historical data if it's going to give me an accurate estimate of what I'm going to get in the future.

Andre Johnson is overpaid, and he's not the same player anymore. He didn't want to take a paycut, so he's leaving. It's as simple as that.
 
Hervy could you please find a family member to console you, you are starting to worry me.Stay away from knives and sharp objects, OK big guy ?
BTW, Andre can still play here but it's at the reduced market rate, the going rate for vet WRs who can't even outrun slow DBs anymore. In the meantime he's still got that fat bank account with 10s of millions or hundreds of millions he was paid by the Texans for over a decade.

I'm fine with life after AJ. I'm just tired of watching the Texans make stupid, awkward, ill-timed moves that leave them looking like bad guys and incompetent fools. They wait too long to let guys go, pay them too soon, bend over backwards to bring in garbage and then treat the cream of the crop here like he slapped their kid. There are better ways to do this and it really doesn't take much more effort to do it right than to do it like this.

For a team that places so much emphasis on public relations and character the Texans sure seem to have a hard time making the right moves with the public or showing any of that character themselves. If we're going to a model where we cast aside players we don't think can help us anymore I'm fine with that. We spent better than a decade hanging on to and overpaying guys who couldn't help us so sure, lets go forward and do it right for a change but don't go spending a year telling everybody that AJ's going to be taken care of when you, AJ, and everyone you're talking to knows that bullshit. Just don't do it. Apparently that's too much to ask of an NFL team.

Here's to outright honesty going forward in the Patriot's style. This should be interesting. If OB produces next year then we're going to be happy campers regardless. If the Texans stumble to an 8-8 or 6-10 finish he's going to catch hell.
 
Both great talents but one acts like a little biatch way too often and we all know how Andre deals with little biatches.

At this point in their careers, Terrance Williams is probably a better player than Andre, I don't see AJ going to the Cowboys to be the No. 3 WR.

Seattle, San Fran, Denver, and NYG (pair him with Beckham) would all be better spots. He would be a No. 1 WR in SEA or SF, a No. 2 in NYC or Denver.
 
I'm fine with life after AJ. I'm just tired of watching the Texans make stupid, awkward, ill-timed moves that leave them looking like bad guys and incompetent fools. They wait too long to let guys go, pay them too soon, bend over backwards to bring in garbage and then treat the cream of the crop here like he slapped their kid. There are better ways to do this and it really doesn't take much more effort to do it right than to do it like this.



For a team that places so much emphasis on public relations and character the Texans sure seem to have a hard time making the right moves with the public or showing any of that character themselves. If we're going to a model where we cast aside players we don't think can help us anymore I'm fine with that. We spent better than a decade hanging on to and overpaying guys who couldn't help us so sure, lets go forward and do it right for a change but don't go spending a year telling everybody that AJ's going to be taken care of when you, AJ, and everyone you're talking to knows that bullshit. Just don't do it. Apparently that's too much to ask of an NFL team.



Here's to outright honesty going forward in the Patriot's style. This should be interesting. If OB produces next year then we're going to be happy campers regardless. If the Texans stumble to an 8-8 or 6-10 finish he's going to catch hell.


Well stated...Can you mail this to the entire front office and staff.? Maybe someone will actually read it.
 
They are all a bunch of lying liars:

"Andre is in a special class, and I think the action we've taken is a reflection of how we view Andre. It's important to us that Andre have one home, and that's with the Texans."

~ Bob McNair, August 5, 2010


"I always said I wanted to play for one team, and to be able to play for the Houston Texans for the rest of my career, it's a tremendous honor."

~ Andre Johnson, August 5, 2010


Source

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p.s.

"Loyalty to any one sports team is pretty hard to justify, because the players are always changing; the team could move to another city. You're actually rooting for the clothes when you get right down to it."

~ Jerry Seinfeld
 
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