kcdoubleeagle
Waterboy
GO MARIO WILLIAMS!!!! Oh..sorry wrong thread.....I guess all this genius talk is getting me confused.
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Andre Johnson expected to be out 5 weeks
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GO MARIO WILLIAMS!!!! Oh..sorry wrong thread.....I guess all this genius talk is getting me confused.
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
AnthonyE
Lurker
LMFAO, it happens to everyone.
I actually was conjuring up the same suspicion the other day. Why else would Andre himself say he would'nt be ready? If I were a Texans player, I'd say. "If coach says I can play, I'll play." He didn't even give himself two days. That's what I find fishy. And actually, I hope so fishy that it's a Landry's Coupon Give-A-Way this Sunday.
Now, they have declared him "OUT" on the ticker on the bottom of NFLN. So, I don't know.
MEGA SWATT
All Pro
I am in the crowd of 1-2 weeks. I think there is a small glimmer of desperate hope on my part he will be back this Sunday, but that's my hope talking. I think by Atlanta maybe Miami at the latest. But hey, that's just me speculating.
He needs to get one of those hypobermic (or however the heck you say and spell it) chambers.
2 week out club-member here
I think something has been fishy going back to Monday when they didn't reveal the results of the MRI.
MRIs are the king kong of diagnostic tests. They, except in the most extreme cases, tell whether it is, or is not.
Now, I don't know what is going on behind the scenes, or why they have decided not to tell the whole story, but Cloak has pointed out the history of this team doing this.
There hasn't been a day that has gone by where a statement or comment hasn't been made that 'preps' for future bad news.
MRIs are the king kong of diagnostic tests. They, except in the most extreme cases, tell whether it is, or is not.
Now, I don't know what is going on behind the scenes, or why they have decided not to tell the whole story, but Cloak has pointed out the history of this team doing this.
There hasn't been a day that has gone by where a statement or comment hasn't been made that 'preps' for future bad news.
Its easy to get all worked up about this kind of thing, but the reality is there is no reason to. Yet.
When cloack mentioned that PCL injuries never "fully" heal, thats a little misleading and is going to cause a lot of chicken little reactions.
A non-surgerical requiring injury does not cause knee instability, and therefore while the PCL may not recover to its original strength, muscle strengthening and rehabilition over both short and long term allows for a "100%" recovery. It may not be exactly the same, but functionally it works.
Also, don't think of this injury as chronic. His 2005 injury was never fully diagnosed. A LOT of injuries result in calf pain, including direct calf injuries. He played the entire 2006 season at 100% (103 catches, thats a lot of tackles). If he was suffering from a chronic condition, we would have noticed some pain or limping from him after being hit in 2006.
Furthermore, he took a SHOT in the Panthers game. Its not like he was running, planted, and then came up limp. He landed from catching, planted his feet, and then got completely knocked. If you heard the interviews, everyone saw his knee bend in a non-natural way. If he had suffered a previous PCL injury, the current injury may have been much more serious.
Finally, players injure their knees all the time. Many, many players with NO history of knee injuries can tear their ACL just by taking an awkward step. Look at Lawson just a few days ago.
The fact is, conditioning is the only way to help prevent injuries, as football is a violent sport. AJ's condition is not "chronic" in the way that a lot of players have "chronic" knee problems. He is probably just as likely as anyone else of developing an injury. He played all of 2006 injury free, and so I would hardly get all worked up. Yet
When cloack mentioned that PCL injuries never "fully" heal, thats a little misleading and is going to cause a lot of chicken little reactions.
A non-surgerical requiring injury does not cause knee instability, and therefore while the PCL may not recover to its original strength, muscle strengthening and rehabilition over both short and long term allows for a "100%" recovery. It may not be exactly the same, but functionally it works.
Also, don't think of this injury as chronic. His 2005 injury was never fully diagnosed. A LOT of injuries result in calf pain, including direct calf injuries. He played the entire 2006 season at 100% (103 catches, thats a lot of tackles). If he was suffering from a chronic condition, we would have noticed some pain or limping from him after being hit in 2006.
Furthermore, he took a SHOT in the Panthers game. Its not like he was running, planted, and then came up limp. He landed from catching, planted his feet, and then got completely knocked. If you heard the interviews, everyone saw his knee bend in a non-natural way. If he had suffered a previous PCL injury, the current injury may have been much more serious.
Finally, players injure their knees all the time. Many, many players with NO history of knee injuries can tear their ACL just by taking an awkward step. Look at Lawson just a few days ago.
The fact is, conditioning is the only way to help prevent injuries, as football is a violent sport. AJ's condition is not "chronic" in the way that a lot of players have "chronic" knee problems. He is probably just as likely as anyone else of developing an injury. He played all of 2006 injury free, and so I would hardly get all worked up. Yet
Shaft75
All Pro
Someone answered my question... AMEN!!!
Between doctor cloaknnndagger and TC my posts were lost in the shuffle. I would repost and then bam, texans_chic spits out another 5 paragraph post.
However, I have just had this weird feeling that they are making it look worse than it really is. I mean, how tough is it to play on a sprain? I played three years of varsity football without an ACL in my right knee.
Does anyone else hear something?
Just kidding. It is really easy to get lost in the shuffle in here, as some posters seem to only read each others messages. I guess clicks form even on internet messageboards.
As to your comment about the ACL, I think you'll find that 0% of NFL players will risk permanent damage to play an extra game. Playing with no ACL is no only dangerous, but frankly, sort of stupid. You could end up SERIOUSLY injured, and when your career rests on the health of your knees, you don't risk millions in my opinion
I would just like to know what were the results of the MRI, that's all. A radiologist examines the scans, and types a report based upon his findings. I've had an MRI with contrast done recently. That is the procedure.
MRI results are pretty cut and dried, one way or the other. The Texans are not revealing what the results were.
Why?
MRI results are pretty cut and dried, one way or the other. The Texans are not revealing what the results were.
Why?
Shaft75
All Pro
Do you know anyone that would represent me in a malpractice suit against my old ortho?
You say it's stupid, yet the doctor that I say at St. Luke's in Houston told me that I could do no more harm to my knee. He basically gave me the option of surgery immediately or playing with surgery later. I got fitted for a Donjoy and hit the field.
Have you ever had a knee surgery or did you play football in high school? Let me know why you think that playing on a torn ACL can seriously injure me.
Shaft, you need to get a second opinion. I'm no doctor, but a torn ACL is an unstable knee. You don't want a bone on bone condtion, else you be looking at knee replacement later on in your life, and those are no fun.
False Start
On # 69
I really hope Andre can make it back soon . Five weeks is a long time in the NFL . Maybe this will be the beginning of the Jacoby Era .
nero THE zero
All Pro
Could you expound on the benefits of surgery? More specifically, how long would it take to rehab and would the knee be 100% afterward?
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
A "chicken little" response was not what I intended. But "chronic" is not what I implied............."recurrent" is what I was referring to. Once a ligament is injured, as you and I have both pointed out, there is usually the ability to "compensate" with muscle strengthening, if the injury is not severe. However, reinjury is more likely in a case like this (with a front on hit on the tibia while the knee is bent). "Compensation" then becomes more difficult........and the probability of developing "chronic" related problems are likewise increased. Having played a season at "100 %" in no way rules out likelihood of recurrence, and in no way is surprising, or minimizes the situation.
Meanwhile, all the above are irrelevant to the fact that the Texans know what the injury is......and have a good idea of what a realistic prognosis is............and are evidently concealing pertinent information ("His 2005 injury was never fully diagnosed"---right
), whether good or bad..............and, yes, excuse me for using the word "concealing," but I feel that is an appropriate word for the situation as it stands.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
You don't need an attorney, you need a well-trained orthopedic surgeon to re-evaluate you condition. Your above findings are totally consistent with lack of the support of an anterior cruciate ligament. This ligament limits the extent of the tibia moving forward on the femur (just like the posterior cruciate ligament limits the tibia moving backward on the femur). I have no idea why you received the advise to continue your football activities under the circumstances. But I do know that with the instability you are describing, in time left untreated may cause enough irreversible degenerative changes (if you haven't already) that knee replacement may need to be entertained. At minimum, you need to find out at least if ACL repair is indicated.........and NOW rather that later.
Good luck
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Hard question..........in that if there is relatively minor "collateral" cartilage damage from the acute injury..........a scope and rehab..........around 2 months to be relatively functional.........3-4 months back to preop perfomance
(remember, without all the info on the injury, tough to pin down)
If actual repair of the ligament, all bets are off..............6 months of rehab then straight line running until muscles extra supportive (~80% normal strength)..........then lateral running andcutting is allowed. Rule of thumb>>>>>>>> 1/2 of patients can return at the same level, 1/3 can return at a lower level, and one sixth cannot return at all.
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
A "chicken little" response was not what I intended. But "chronic" is not what I implied............."recurrent" is what I was referring to. Once a ligament is injured, as you and I have both pointed out, there is usually the ability to "compensate" with muscle strengthening, if the injury is not severe. However, reinjury is more likely in a case like this (with a front on hit on the tibia while the knee is bent). "Compensation" then becomes more difficult........and the probability of developing "chronic" related problems are likewise increased. Having played a season at "100 %" in no way rules out likelihood of recurrence, and in no way is surprising, or minimizes the situation.
Meanwhile, all the above are irrelevant to the fact that the Texans know what the injury is......and have a good idea of what a realistic prognosis is............and are evidently concealing pertinent information ("His 2005 injury was never fully diagnosed"---right
Maybe I missed it, but today's paper is the first time that I've read that he has both a strained PCL and MCL. (Was this reported before?) Does this change the time table of him coming back any? The maximum time they've suggested is 5 weeks, but making noise like he is so well conditioned he could be back sooner.
Specnatz
Hall of Fame
No this is the first I have heard or seen anything about both being sprained.
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
Okay, to be clear, this is what the paper said today regarding AJ:
Five weeks was the outside amount of time that they said last week. They didn't reveal the PCL/MCL thing last week, they barely mentioned the PCL originally.
hmmmm.
Five weeks was the outside amount of time that they said last week. They didn't reveal the PCL/MCL thing last week, they barely mentioned the PCL originally.
hmmmm.
bummer. Sounds like it might be at least a couple of more weeks before AJ is up to playing.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
Too late for that.
Tailgate
Fall of Hame
I have a sick feeling about the rest of our season now. If its this bad this early...
Malloy
Hall of Fame
Fox
Rookie
I think some of you conspiracy theorists are jumping the gun a tad early on this one. The Texans are one of the most media friendly teams in the league, and provide their fans with great access to the goings on within the organization. Perhaps they haven't released a detailed medical report on Andre's knee because: 1. It would be a bunch of meaningless medical jargon to most Texans fans. 2. I can't see how it would be helpful to the franchise, they obviously know the diagnosis and telling us won't make it get better any faster. And 3. Does Doctor - Patient confidentiality come into play under any of these circumstances? If a player comes down with a serious case of syphilis and has to miss a game, are you going to demand them to release a statement that said player had a little too much fun in Vegas and has a bad case of the syph?
Andre sprained his knee, he should be back in a couple weeks. Other than satisfying your curiosity, what good is it going to do for them to tell us to what degree the ligament was strained and other medical minutia?
Andre sprained his knee, he should be back in a couple weeks. Other than satisfying your curiosity, what good is it going to do for them to tell us to what degree the ligament was strained and other medical minutia?
Tailgate said:
'eh, that's football. While it is certainly a major blow to lose AJ for any length of time, the fact remains that we have 13 games left in the season and there is no reason to throw in the towel now. Schaub will get the ball to his receivers, and we just have hope that they catch them. (And, of course, a running game would help.)
amazingandre
Rookie
not only does this suck about aj but now we dont have jj for a while lol....we are hurting but shoud be fine...our defense is still playin great ball right now
Are you familiar with the Texans history on disclosing the medical condition of Tony Boselli? Domanick Davis/Williams? I don't think you have to be from Area 51 to point out the Texans poor record in this regard. They've earned the speculation here.
Having said that, I've sprained my MCL before. My dog (rest his soul) pulled me down a hill chasing a ball. Hey, he was a big dog. I thought I would need surgery, but I was in a brace for about 2 weeks. My knee was very stiff initially, but it loosed up nicely in a couple of days. I felt very fortunate. If the doctors have already moved AJ to a looser brace, that sounds like good news to me. I'm sure he'd like to be back by the Miami game.
Fox
Rookie
Yea I'm aware of the situation with Boselli and Domanick Williams. Then again, coaches and PR rep's aren't exactly doctors so you have to take their medical prognoses with a grain of salt. I'm not saying don't be skeptical about the date of Andre's return, I'm asking why be so critical of the Texans organization for not faxing us all a copy of Andre's MRI?