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Amobi Okoye

dalemurphy said:
I don't think Tennessee has more good defensive players than we do. However, they sure get a heck of a lot more out of them: Haynesworth, Vandenbosch, Finnegan???, Bullock 2 years ago.... not that much.
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That's not really correct....Tennessee has just as many "star D players" as we do, but their other D players are very solid smart players.

With the texans it's all peaks and valleys.....either very good D players (Drob, DeMeco, Williams) or absolute crap (too many to mention).

Finnegan is a very good physical corner (Drob like)..Harper as a #2 is a hell of a lot better than Reeves. Griffin and Hope are better than anything we have ever had at the safety spots and David Throntonn is a better LB than anything that DeMeco has ever had playing next two him.........not to mention that unlike the Texans, Tenn actually has two beasts playing on their Dline (Vanden Bosch and Haynesworth).....with legit proven players, playing in position not out of position (unlike Weaver the crappy undersized DT) on the other side in Kearse.

I wouldn't be so quick to compare our defense to a top 5 defense (last year) despite the fact that they had a QB that put their defense in bad spots all year long (look what happens to our defense when put in bad spots).
 
Carr Bombed said:
David Throntonn is a better LB than anything that DeMeco has ever had playing next two him
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Not so fast my friend. Let's give Zac Diles a chance. He was stealthy but productive today. Morlon "Rass-cload" Greenwood is another story altogether. He stunk (again) today. Come on and get healthy Adibi.
 
I don't think Okoye did bad at all against the pass in the this game. He got some pressure, but Rothlisburger was releasing the ball awefully quick to be expecting DTs to get to him.

In the run game, he basically sucked, just like most of the D. Williams, Diles?, and maybe Bennet kept us from giving up 300 yds. rushing. I forgot Ryans, but even he had a slightly sub-par game for him (IMO), probably because Okoye can't handle being run right at AND WHAT EXACTLY IS TJ GOOD FOR, ANWAY?
 
Originally Posted by kcdoubleeagle
Hate to say this...but....I sure as hell hope we go after Fat Albert when his contract is up.......


Texan JBZ said:
Not "squeaky clean" enough for Bob O'Reilly
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screw "squeeky clean"! this team needs an injection of attitude - several injections!
Haynesworth, or someone like him, needs to be brought in ASAP
 
Carr Bombed said:
That's not really correct....Tennessee has just as many "star D players" as we do, but their other D players are very solid smart players.

With the texans it's all peaks and valleys.....either very good D players (Drob, DeMeco, Williams) or absolute crap (too many to mention).

Finnegan is a very good physical corner (Drob like)..Harper as a #2 is a hell of a lot better than Reeves. Griffin and Hope are better than anything we have ever had at the safety spots and David Throntonn is a better LB than anything that DeMeco has ever had playing next two him.........not to mention that unlike the Texans, Tenn actually has two beasts playing on their Dline (Vanden Bosch and Haynesworth).....with legit proven players, playing in position not out of position (unlike Weaver the crappy undersized DT) on the other side in Kearse.

I wouldn't be so quick to compare our defense to a top 5 defense (last year) despite the fact that they had a QB that put their defense in bad spots all year long (look what happens to our defense when put in bad spots).
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We have athletes at least as impressive as those mentioned. Of course guys like Finnegan, Thornton, Harper look and play much better than Bennett, Greenwood, C.C. Brown... My argument is that it's not primarily a talent issue. Our defensive staff isn't doing the job.
 
kcdoubleeagle said:
Hate to say this...but....I sure as hell hope we go after Fat Albert when his contract is up.......
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I doubt that the Texans can afford to add Haynesworth with the Salary Cap, but it sure would be a nice addition.

That, and a real DE opposite from Mario would make the line a terror for the opposing team.
 
I was generally unimpressed with Okoye and his game yesterday but I've been consistent with that POV in regard to his run defense so that isn't a knee jerk for the day. I did see him get a bit of penetration here and there but he was generally blocked easily or directed out of the way with ease on many run plays.
 
Vinny said:
I was generally unimpressed with Okoye and his game yesterday but I've been consistent with that POV in regard to his run defense so that isn't a knee jerk for the day. I did see him get a bit of penetration here and there but he was generally blocked easily or directed out of the way with ease on many run plays.
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Did you see his potential as a pulling guard when he was leading the way for Demeco ?
 
Vinny said:
I was generally unimpressed with Okoye and his game yesterday but I've been consistent with that POV in regard to his run defense so that isn't a knee jerk for the day. I did see him get a bit of penetration here and there but he was generally blocked easily or directed out of the way with ease on many run plays.
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In all honesty AO was not brought in here to be a run stopper. He was brought in to apply pressure and help Mario. Now we need a NT to help AO cus Travis isn't helping anything but his bank account. I am hoping Okam can be brought up to speed to be that guy but he looked bad in preseason.

We just can't have two DT's who can't play the run.

Oh, and get rid of Weaver too.
 
I was personally the most unimpressed with our LBs corp. A ton of arm tackling, which led to a lot of scoot around the edge maneuvers
 
TEXANRED said:
In all honesty AO was not brought in here to be a run stopper. He was brought in to apply pressure and help Mario. Now we need a NT to help AO cus Travis isn't helping anything but his bank account. I am hoping Okam can be brought up to speed to be that guy but he looked bad in preseason.

We just can't have two DT's who can't play the run.

Oh, and get rid of Weaver too.
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TJ had a much better game against the run than Okoye did.

IMO, if Okoye wants to remain a starter he'll learn to stop the run. I understand he was a great pass rusher in College, but that is not his primary job. If he can't stop the run, get someone in there that can.
 
Can you imagine if the Viking would have taken Amobi with the pick just before us - then we would have gotten Adrian Peterson - oh so close! I hope you make me regret this post Amobi - do it!
 
Okoye isn't a problem spot, but I think what they ask of him is too much. Its like asking freeney to 2 gap. Okoye should be 1 gap penetrating. They shouldve signed a big 2 gapper like grady jackson and let him 2 gap in between Mario and Okoye. That gives Mario 1 guy to beat and okoye 1 man to beat. I think its just wrong utilization of players.
 
dickieb said:
Can you imagine if the Viking would have taken Amobi with the pick just before us - then we would have gotten Adrian Peterson - oh so close! I hope you make me regret this post Amobi - do it!
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well, Atlanta and Miami would have either taken Peterson or traded the pick but we weren't right behind Minnesota in any case..... Darrelle Revis, Patrick Willis or Lawrence Timmons were 3 very stout defenders they passed on to pick Okoye.

7 Minnesota Adrian Peterson - RB
8 Atlanta Jamaal Anderson - DE
9 Miami Ted Ginn, Jr. - WR
10 Houston Amobi Okoye - DT
11 San Francisco Patrick Willis - LB
12 Buffalo Marshawn Lynch - RB
13 St. Louis Adam Carriker - DE
14 NY Jets Darrelle Revis
15 Pittsburgh Lawrence Timmons - LB
 
HOU-TEX said:
TJ had a much better game against the run than Okoye did.

IMO, if Okoye wants to remain a starter he'll learn to stop the run. I understand he was a great pass rusher in College, but that is not his primary job. If he can't stop the run, get someone in there that can.
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Honestly, TJ and Okoye are supposed to be the same kind of player. An undersized 1-Technique defensive tackle that is supposed to shoot the gap, and head upfield to get the QB. TJ is seriously miscast in his role as a run stopping DT, because that's not what he is. He is entirely too small to be playing NT in a 4-3. Same with Okoye. Okoye has shown MUCH more as a DT pass rusher than Travis Johnson ever has.

Now I think that if I had to get rid of one of these two players, or sentence one of them to the depth chart, then TJ would be going down, but only because in 4 years, TJ really hasn't shown the work ethic or the talent to really stick around on this team. Okoye, is more of an unknown, but I think pretty much Okoye's rookie season showed more production than any season TJ has had.

Yes Okoye needs to step it up and play better, but you're talking about a 2nd year interior defensive lineman. Hell, even Fat Albert, which is universally despised and wanted, didn't start blowing people up until his 4th year, and that was a contract year! I think that this is going to be a dead horse argument (Like TJ has been for the past few years) because the coaching staff is going to give him his entire rookie contract to prove that he's not just a pile of **** that any street FA could take over for (Anthony Maddox). I think Okam is going to probably not be on the inactive list for Baltimore, but, he probably won't play many if any snaps during the game. If Okoye is too new, that guy is waaaaay too new.
 
b0ng said:
Yes Okoye needs to step it up and play better, but you're talking about a 2nd year interior defensive lineman. Hell, even Fat Albert, which is universally despised and wanted, didn't start blowing people up until his 4th year, and that was a contract year!
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Hainsworth played very well at times before last season. He just became more consistent last year. He was already a difference maker....just not consistent. Okoye needs to prove he can be a difference maker let alone a consistent one.
 
Vinny said:
Hainsworth played very well at times before last season. He just became more consistent last year. He was already a difference maker....just not consistent. Okoye needs to prove he can be a difference maker let alone a consistent one.
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Getting 5 sacks as a rookie alread proved he can be a difference maker, if not consistently.
 
gtexan02 said:
Getting 5 sacks as a rookie alread proved he can be a difference maker, if not consistently.
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that doesn't tell you he is consistent as a dt...it tells you he had 5 sacks and had at least one-dimensional upside at worst. Watching him play tells me he gets blocked and redirected easily and only really flashes when the ball is run away from him and he shows his speed in pursuit.
 
Vinny said:
Hainsworth played very well at times before last season. He just became more consistent last year. He was already a difference maker....just not consistent. Okoye needs to prove he can be a difference maker let alone a consistent one.
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I think there are a lot of people who will contend that Haynesworth's on/off play and his penchant for getting really really dumbass suspensions really did not leave any fan of Haynesworth with a great idea of how good he could be up until last year.

I think Amobi really has a long leash because everybody thinks that it takes a little time for DT's to rule their opposition, much like most offensive linemen take a little while as well*

*Joe Thomas need not apply.
 
Vinny said:
well, Atlanta and Miami would have either taken Peterson or traded the pick but we weren't right behind Minnesota in any case..... Darrelle Revis, Patrick Willis or Lawrence Timmons were 3 very stout defenders they passed on to pick Okoye.

7 Minnesota Adrian Peterson - RB
8 Atlanta Jamaal Anderson - DE
9 Miami Ted Ginn, Jr. - WR
10 Houston Amobi Okoye - DT
11 San Francisco Patrick Willis - LB
12 Buffalo Marshawn Lynch - RB
13 St. Louis Adam Carriker - DE
14 NY Jets Darrelle Revis
15 Pittsburgh Lawrence Timmons - LB
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That's right - my bad. I remember at the time thinking we had the 8th pick but we swapped first rounders with atlanta for schaub.
 
Vinny said:
well, Atlanta and Miami would have either taken Peterson or traded the pick but we weren't right behind Minnesota in any case..... Darrelle Revis, Patrick Willis or Lawrence Timmons were 3 very stout defenders they passed on to pick Okoye.

7 Minnesota Adrian Peterson - RB
8 Atlanta Jamaal Anderson - DE
9 Miami Ted Ginn, Jr. - WR
10 Houston Amobi Okoye - DT
11 San Francisco Patrick Willis - LB
12 Buffalo Marshawn Lynch - RB
13 St. Louis Adam Carriker - DE
14 NY Jets Darrelle Revis
15 Pittsburgh Lawrence Timmons - LB
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quite a few people wanted Willis over Okoye. I thought we needed Revis myself since DeMeco turned out so well and DB was still an issue; but I wasn't disappointed in the Okoye pick.
 
We also need to remember that the kid is really young. At his age I think most guys are still juniors in college. He is still growing into being a man. If he is still being pushed around at age 24, then we probably have a problem.
 
edo783 said:
We also need to remember that the kid is really young. At his age I think most guys are still juniors in college. He is still growing into being a man. If he is still being pushed around at age 24, then we probably have a problem.
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so we wait three more years for him to maybe develop into Warren Sapp?
 
b0ng said:
Honestly, TJ and Okoye are supposed to be the same kind of player. An undersized 1-Technique defensive tackle that is supposed to shoot the gap, and head upfield to get the QB. TJ is seriously miscast in his role as a run stopping DT, because that's not what he is. He is entirely too small to be playing NT in a 4-3. Same with Okoye. Okoye has shown MUCH more as a DT pass rusher than Travis Johnson ever has.

Now I think that if I had to get rid of one of these two players, or sentence one of them to the depth chart, then TJ would be going down, but only because in 4 years, TJ really hasn't shown the work ethic or the talent to really stick around on this team. Okoye, is more of an unknown, but I think pretty much Okoye's rookie season showed more production than any season TJ has had.

Yes Okoye needs to step it up and play better, but you're talking about a 2nd year interior defensive lineman. Hell, even Fat Albert, which is universally despised and wanted, didn't start blowing people up until his 4th year, and that was a contract year! I think that this is going to be a dead horse argument (Like TJ has been for the past few years) because the coaching staff is going to give him his entire rookie contract to prove that he's not just a pile of **** that any street FA could take over for (Anthony Maddox). I think Okam is going to probably not be on the inactive list for Baltimore, but, he probably won't play many if any snaps during the game. If Okoye is too new, that guy is waaaaay too new.
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Well, there's a freaking problem then. How long will this franchise continue to pull bone-headed crap like that and get shoved around on both sides of the line? Why hasn't this problem been addressed? If Okam is the answer, why is his big butt on the sideline?
 
I think iif they let him 1 gap, he would be ok. If they asked sapp to 2 ggap like sam adams, he wouldn't be a future hof.
 
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