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Marcus

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Can you say overhyped?

I got to see this 'future Gale Sayers' get chased down by a linebacker on the outside, stuffed on the inside, and outperformed by a better pro prospect, Lendale White. I wanted to see how he would do against some decent competition, so I could have some idea how he would do in the NFL.

I was so impressed. :rolleyes:

Trade the pick and let's get some decent players.
 
Not many on this board will want to trade the pick now. They will want to pick Vince with the number one pick!
 
Marcus said:
Can you say overhyped?

I got to see this 'future Gale Sayers' get chased down by a linebacker on the outside, stuffed on the inside, and outperformed by a better pro prospect, Lendale White. I wanted to see how he would do against some decent competition, so I could have some idea how he would do in the NFL.

I was so impressed. :rolleyes:

Trade the pick and let's get some decent players.
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Amen Brother
Reggie WHO?????:homer:
 
You failed to mention he had 90 yards recieving. He is still in my optinion one of the more dynamic playmakers coming out of college.
 
The Texas defense was certainly more of a challenge than Fresno State's. Leinart looked good. I'd think Young would come out now that his legacy is secure. The draft is going to be VERY interesting.

Everybody buckle your seatbelts.
 
Seriously,

It is fine to disagree on how to use the number one pick, but are you saying that our pick should be based on one single college game? How many games of Brick's have you watched and graded? NFL scouts will evaluate Bush and others during individual workouts and combines, etc. and watch film throughout a season(s) - not on a single game. Kid has incredible burst, great hands and picked up some great blocks during UT blitzes. I don't mean to lecture, but it sounds like a somewhat uninformed argument that you are attempting to make...
 
LenDale White clearly showed he will be the better NFL back. He got the tough yards up the middle. I'd would take him anyday over Bush. Of course, I don't really want a running back in this draft. Hopefully he will stay for senior year and we'll see how he comes out next year.
 
I have to give Bush his props, he is athletic, but not worthy of the number 1 pick. He just faced a top ranked team and a very good defense and didn't do much of anything. In the NFL, at RB, speed isn't everything. Look at all the great RBs in history and see how many of them were truly that fast.
 
houstonhurricane said:
Seriously,

It is fine to disagree on how to use the number one pick, but are you saying that our pick should be based on one single college game? How many games of Brick's have you watched and graded? NFL scouts will evaluate Bush and others during individual workouts and combines, etc. and watch film throughout a season(s) - not on a single game. Kid has incredible burst, great hands and picked up some great blocks during UT blitzes. I don't mean to lecture, but it sounds like a somewhat uninformed argument that you are attempting to make...
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So true...as I was watching the game I KNEW that there would be umpteen threads saying "Bush Sucks!"

If you don't think Bush is right for Houston, then you don't. But to say "Gee, now that I've watched the Rose Bowl, Houston shouldn't pick him" is the most unintelligent thing I've heard.
 
I've been under the impression for some time that Bush's skill set will not translate well into the NFL at the running back position. I am not saying he's not a playmaker, but he's not going to be able to get the corner against NFL-speed defenses. He's not going to have all the open space in the NFL that he had against Oregon or Fresno State, for instance. He's going to have to run between the tackles, break some tackles, and make people miss in tight traffic. He hasn't shown he can do that, IMO (not tonight, not all year). I have been saying for a long while and tonight drives it home a bit more for me -- Bush is the next coming of Eric Metcalf. He's not an NFL running back. LenDale White's style of running translates well into the NFL and that is the back I'd like to see in Houston to complement DD (maybe not White specifically, but a 235-lb. athletic back).
 
272 all purpose yards 1 TD seriously sucks.

From CBS, Reggie Bush Stats:

82 rush 1 TD
89 rec
101 kickoff

To each his own.
 
I'm not a huge bush and I dont realy care if we take him Vince or trade. But Texas was playing more DB to help control bush. Which helped L White. Also IMO Bush didnt seem to be a big part of the Trojan's offensive plans.
 
I don't care if it is unintelligent, after watching Reggie tonight I am convinced that we should trade the pick! Before tonight I would have said take him with the #1 pick, but things change and players come out in big games!!! Trade the pick unless Vince Young comes out...:drool:
 
I just think whomever plays better against the best opposition is the BEST. The UT Defense was the best opposition USC had seen all year. Unfortunately the Ohio State Defense was the best UT had seen all year. I have seen Young play like this week in and week out in the Big 12 and if he came out this year I would seriously push for him to be our #1 pick and focus on the future.
 
Look at my avatar and I'll gladl'y say Reggie WHO? Trade down or bring on Vince. USC showed the faith they had in Bush by sitting him in the 2nd half.
 
Calm down people, it's just one game! Reggie still made his play to impact the game like he always does.

Thinking irrationally get's you Jason Babin and Buchannon. Look at the big picture, and stop acting like Bush doesn't deserve to be in the conversation of the #1 pick because one game he didn't have 300 yards.
 
Exactly. Some of you are pretty amazing. You react to situations immediately rather than sitting back and trying to become more informed. Heck, half of you posting for Vince Young were probably screaming this a.m. that we need to trade the first pick for offensive linemen.
 
I still believe Bush is a TOP tier NFL RB talent. I just saw what Vince did in this game and he completely converted me. I have watched him all year, but to see what he did in this game...words just can't describe it.
 
Feel free to check my posting history :) ... I have been opposed to taking Bush for as long as it's been a topic on this board. I am not saying Bush is not a great college player, or even that he didn't have a good night. I just think his style of play does not translate well to the NFL and we'd be better served taking a stud left tackle in the 1st round. The knee-jerk reactionists that came out in droves after Bush's 500+ yard game were far worse than anything I've seen here tonight. He's not a once-in-40-year talent and he's not an absolute no-brainer of a #1 overall pick. He's a very good college player who, just like many other college players, may turn out to be a bust or may not. Personally, I think he's the next coming of Eric Metcalf - a guy that made 3 Pro Bowls and even had a 1000-yd receiving year. That is not, however, a once-in-40-year talent or the "Michael Jordan of Football", etc. - whatever the hype says.
 
OK. I got to watch a full game of both squads. And I'll say I was pulling for Reggie, but still wanted UT to win.

This was obviously a bad day at the office for Reggie - though he did have a TD, and maybe had 100+ yds. Lendale White outshined him. But even w/ that being said Vince eclipsed them both together, by himself.

At the end of this game, guess what.... WE STILL HAVE THE NUMBER ONE PICK in the DRAFT!!!!!:yahoo: :ok:

How does everyone feel about getting the necessary pieces to the Texans' puzzle now???
 
eriadoc,

that is fine and sounds like a logical analysis. however, the NFL is a business and decisions aren't made on the basis of one college game like many posters believe it should be. let's look at the film, combines, etc. of all the players we are interested in before determining whether we should trade down or who to take at number one. watching the Rose Bowl from your living room doesn't make any of us truly "informed" on these players.
 
houstonhurricane said:
Right, now we need to pick up a rookie quarterback to help right the ship. Come on, let's have a serious dialogue on this...
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If Young comes out and no big negatives emerge between now and draft day I think we should:
(a) draft Young #1
(b) lose Carr (by trade in best case, even if if it's a bad trade)
(c) sign a nice safe free agent like Kitna (or similar) in caste you want to work Young in slowly (over a year or two).
 
eriadoc said:
Personally, I think he's [Bush] the next coming of Eric Metcalf - a guy that made 3 Pro Bowls and even had a 1000-yd receiving year. That is not, however, a once-in-40-year talent or the "Michael Jordan of Football", etc. - whatever the hype says.
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From the look of it, Vince Young is the Michael Jordan of football, or as close to it as I've seen. And what's MOST interesting, given his size, accuracy, escapability, quickness, speed on the ball, etc etc) it WILL TRANSLATE directly into the NFL.
 
This is pretty much what I expected to happen. Reggie had an average game to his standards and everyone is calling him a bust. Everyone was expecting him to put up another 500 all purpose yards and he didn't.

He is still the best player in college football and will still be the #1 pick. We have a quarterback and we don't need to draft Vince Young so he can sit on the bench for two years while he is collecting his $50 Million dollar contract.

Someone else said this and it is true. All week we have been hearing about how we should trade down and fill all of the holes on our team. We have been hearing how we don't need a running back because we already have one that is good. We just need a line. Now Vince Young has a great game and we should draft him. What about all of the holes on our team? What about the line? Don't we already have a quarterback?

Try to have some consistency in your arguments. If you thought that we have holes on our team and that we should trade down, then you should still think that we have holes on our team and we should trade down. If you think that we already have a good running back, just that he doesn't have a line, then you should think that the situation is the same with our quarter back.

Charley Casserly or Bob McNair could care less about the University of Texas. They are not going to pick a guy just because he is good and from the area.
 
Problem with Young is that they do not run anything resembling an NFL contract. That zone read play will never work. He's a couple years from becoming a very good QB. He definitely has the skills though.
 
Settle down, your euphoria of the Longhorns winning is overshadowing Bushes performance. He had very good numbers for the plays he was called upon to do. He had a TD so it's not like he was shutout or anything. His numbers were solid against a good defense.
 
IT WAS ONE GAME.

That last pass of the game to Reggie, if the blocker was ONE more foot to the left of the sideline, Reggie would of been gone for the TD, and this thread wouldnt even be here. Sure Young played a great game...but he IS NOT COMING HERE. Reggie didnt get enough playing time to even make that much of an impact....but he still had 100 yards.
 
what's stopping bush from screwing up in a superbowl when he's being hyped by the media?

I like the idea of a player that shows the media that their words mean nothing, instead of dwelling upon them to the point of not living up to their unrealistic standards.
 
lol, Im loving how now all of the sudden it seems Bush is out of favor on this site. I've been saying trade down all along, and Bush proved it to me. He had decent numbers, yes, but all he did on his runs is bounce them outside as fast as he could. Thats not going to work in the NFL with more speed.
 
His numbers were alright.. though they were entirely overshadowed by Whites numbers.

What bothers me isnt that he put up alright numbers.. its the way he put them up.

his speed was not impressive.. good...but not great. He did not appear to have very good cutback ability at all.. and his running was all about making a Bline for the sideline, and hope that he could turn the corner.

The Texas defense is not as fast as MOST NFL defenses. That "run the the sidelines" crap is gonna cause alot of lost yardage.

I have seen the highlight reel.. what I didnt see from him tonight was him showing his ability to juke and pick up tough yards against a defense that didnt lay down for him.
 
If Reggie averaged his "horrible game" next year he would have around 4350 all purpose yards for the season.
 
Reggie Bush = Eric Metcalf...


by the way, that's not a criticism. However, it's not what you want from the #1 overall pick. I'd gladly trade the rights to Bush, Young, Leinart, and anyone else you can think of, in exchange for either of those 2 offensive lines tonight!
 
tulexan said:
If Reggie averaged his "horrible game" next year he would have around 4350 all purpose yards for the season.
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I don't care who you are, that's funny! lol:

I think people are overreacting a little tonight! :) Bush had a fine game.
 
In the 1st quarter I saw Bush bounce to the outside because that is what the defense gave him and he ran right over a defender and took him on, something none of our current RB's do. I saw Bush at least twice go right up the middle with guys on his back. Did any of you even see his display of speed on his TD run? Come on people be a little unbiased and have some clear headed thinking.
 
SESupergenius said:
In the 1st quarter I saw Bush bounce to the outside because that is what the defense gave him and he ran right over a defender and took him on, something none of our current RB's do. I saw Bush at least twice go right up the middle with guys on his back. Did any of you even see his display of speed on his TD run? Come on people be a little unbiased and have some clear headed thinking.
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Agreed. I saw the play where he ran over the defender. He is a great player!
 
Not including kick returns Bush touched the ball 19 times for 177 yards. 9.3 yards every time he touches the ball is pretty good. White had a great game because Texas was playing to keep Bush contained and not stacking the middle. You saw at the end of the game that White could be stopped with a push in the middle. He'll have a Ron Dayne type career, but Bush was/is the better player of those 2. Does anyone really think an NFL defense gameplans to stop Domanick Davis? The Texans need other teams to fear what they can do. An offense with multiple threats causes the defenses to make mistakes and get on their heels. Bush will give the Texans that other threat.
 
TexanBacker93 said:
Not including kick returns Bush touched the ball 19 times for 177 yards. 9.3 yards every time he touches the ball is pretty good. White had a great game because Texas was playing to keep Bush contained and not stacking the middle. You saw at the end of the game that White could be stopped with a push in the middle. He'll have a Ron Dayne type career, but Bush was/is the better player of those 2. Does anyone really think an NFL defense gameplans to stop Domanick Davis? The Texans need other teams to fear what they can do. An offense with multiple threats causes the defenses to make mistakes and get on their heels. Bush will give the Texans that other threat.
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Agreed. I knew as soon as Vince made that last TD, I would come home from watching the game and see all the Vince Young postings... One game does not make you.

Kyle Boller made how many TD passes a couple of games ago....does that make him Tom Brady? NO.
 
the thing is, i've been against taking bush since post 1 off this offseason....my arguements that he wouldnt shine against a fast defense were met with... "wait till he runs over texas, 400 all purpose yards, he is the next gale sayers." Now that texas held him under a hundred yards on the ground we are hearing a lot of "It was just one game." If reggie goes for 400 all purpose with 2 tds people would be calling him the next coming of god. However, Vince young....you know, the most efficient passer in college football, the 1,000 rusher...goes out and puts up that 450 all purpose yard game and the mood swings to......well, he wont do that in the nfl, and, it was just one game. Im tired of the swings. Vince has been running over people all SEASON, thats why he was in new york for that little heisman trophy presentation. Im not gonna call the man the michael jordan of football, but seriously folks, its time to admit that reggie bush was overhyped, overrated, and made at least 3 BAD football decisions that i saw.
 
If holding a player in check means holding them to 270 all purpose yards and a touchdown, what does that say about the player?
 
i'd say the reason why everyone is saying "forget bush", is because vince young himself hinted at the chance of going to the draft THIS year. im sorry, but even before the texans won the "reggie bowl", or even before the media began to suck bush's balls for the whole season, i wouldnt have hesitated to say young is a better player to add to your overall lacking team than a RB would be. that's just common sense.
 
tulexan said:
If holding a player in check means holding them to 270 all purpose yards and a touchdown, what does that say about the player?
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the man returned punts, and kickoffs...if i had a player who was touching the ball on EVERY FACET of the offense, i would expect at least 300 yards.....if vince young returned kicks he would have had 700 total yards...what exactly does 270 prove? That UT's Defense held gale sayers under 100 on the ground?
 
swtbound07 said:
the man returned punts, and kickoffs...if i had a player who was touching the ball on EVERY FACET of the offense, i would expect at least 300 yards.....if vince young returned kicks he would have had 700 total yards...what exactly does 270 prove? That UT's Defense held gale sayers under 100 on the ground?
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6.3 yards per carry is very good. Not the 9 that he averaged during the season, but the only thing that "held" Bush under 100 yards was the fact that he only ran it 13 times.

Young had 40 passing attempts and 19 rushing attempts. That's 59 touches for 467 yards for those without an abacus.

Bush had 6 receptions for 95 yards, 13 rushes for 82 yards, and 5 kick returns for 102 yards. That's 24 touches for 279 yards. Give Bush as many opportunities as Young had and he puts up 650 yards.

I'm not sure what that proves, but I like to show off my math skills.
 
Marcus said:
Can you say overhyped?

I got to see this 'future Gale Sayers' get chased down by a linebacker on the outside, stuffed on the inside, and outperformed by a better pro prospect, Lendale White. I wanted to see how he would do against some decent competition, so I could have some idea how he would do in the NFL.

I was so impressed. :rolleyes:

Trade the pick and let's get some decent players.
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I agree completely. Vs. a fast UT defense he looked sorta... human, just imagine how much more in trouble he'll be vs. a NFL defense that tackles even better.

This is not a Hate Bush thing, he's a great player. But to think that he's the saviour in pads for the Texans, that's wishful thinking at its best.

Trade down, sell out, buy new! :)
 
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