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All encompassing Rick Smith thread

Not that anyone on Kirby cares what i have to say but I'm going to say this. Rick Smith is the one that needs to be fired and here is why. They drafted a franchise QB and did not consider the need to fix the OL to protect their investment. We now have a franchise QB that had an ACL issue in his first year. So did he get hurt in practice or in the Seattle game. I say it was in the game and it wasn't realized until practice. What impact will this have long term. Hard to tell. But if you are so stupid not to get OLine help for your Franchise QB and allow him to get hurt, then its malpractice and to me grounds for termination.

I will miss obrien and think we have a good coach who has made the best with the pile of poo the GM has given him. I personally feel the riff with OB and RS started with Jimmy the great and its been all downhill since. JMO
 
Double Barrel said:
I guess you missed the whole AFC South Division Championship years for the Texans.

Here's proof:




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I'm sure your reply will be that these are not NFL championships. And to that I would respond that the Oilers never did that, either.

I loved the Oilers, but I'm not going to go revisionist history to support an agenda.

The truth is there is not much difference with Houston pro football between the Oilers and Texans. Yeah, the Oilers made it to a conference championship game a couple of times, but they also hold the record for the largest playoff choke in NFL history with 35-3.
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I certainly don't expect anyone to read all the posts, but I've been very clear how unimpressed I am with winning a 4 team division. Unless it's backed up with a trip to the AFC Championship game, you could actually be a bad team and merely be better than 3 worse teams to win an NFL division. Since my messages recently have been primarily about the head coach, I will point out that his big division wins were against 3 teams who were collectively 36-60 during that stretch... not impressed especially when you get blown out in a playoff game, 30-0 at home against a team who "couldn't" win their division. As far as the Oilers go, that was an 8 team league, not a 4 team division. The Oilers had to be better than 7 teams not 3. The old AFL doesn't have to apologize to anyone. Their first season the AFL signed 75% of the NFLs first round draft picks, including the Heisman trophy winner and then there was that Joe Willy Namath thing. When the AFL merged with the NFL(nfl saw the writing in the wall), the AFL teams made the NFL better!

The Oilers were never one of the best franchises in the NFL, they were one of the best in the AFL. The Oilers accomplished a lot more than the Texans have and they had a lot longer to do it. Let's hope the Texans have many better years ahead.

Is there any "revisionist" history in what I posted?
 
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ColeThornton said:
I certainly don't expect anyone to read all the posts, but I've been very clear how unimpressed I am with winning a 4 team division. Unless it's backed up with a trip to the AFC Championship game, you could actually be a bad team and merely beat 3 worse teams to win an NFL division.
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6 wins never wins a division.
 
ColeThornton said:
I never said it did. If you have a better record than three bad teams in your division, you beat them for the division title...
But surely you knew that.
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you also said the most recent playoff game was a 30-0 blow out. that was the first playoff game. our most recent playoff game we were actually hanging in with the patriots in Foxboro until Brock brocked it up and we ended up losing 34-16.
 
Shishkabob said:
you also said the most recent playoff game was a 30-0 blow out. that was the first playoff game. our most recent playoff game we were actually hanging in with the patriots in Foxboro until Brock brocked it up and we ended up losing 34-16.
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Sorry, I guess that 30-0 at home still hurts more. A loss is a loss, not big on moral victories either.
 
zshawn10 said:
They beat the Cardinals in the WC who had 11 wins
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Yes, I think they got to play a WC team at home(a rule I don't like if the WC team has a better record) and then lost in the division round...
sound familiar?
The NFL has done a tremendous job with parity and keeping fans interested with average teams. The 4 team divisions with WC teams is a brilliant format to keep as many fans interested as possible. I can't think of any other sport where it means so much to so many that they were better than 3 other teams.

PS The 11 win Cardinals couldn't back it up either... it's all about the playoffs, how many really care how many regular season wins the Cardinals had back then... the teams that played in the championship games and then the Super Bowl, I think that's a different story... I think that was the year the Pat's beat Seattle in the SB, that's what I remember.
 
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These are the Texans that Rick drafted that are still here .

2017 1 Deshaun Watson 12 QB 2017 0 0 0 0 7 126 204 1699 19 8 36 269 2 Clemson
2017 2 Zach Cunningham 57 LB 2017 0 0 1 0 15 1.5 Vanderbilt
2017 3 D'Onta Foreman 89 RB 2017 0 0 0 0 10 78 327 2 6 83 0 Texas
2017 4 Julie'n Davenport 130 T 2017 0 0 0 0 8 Bucknell
2017 4 Carlos Watkins 142 DT 2017 0 0 0 0 11 Clemson
2017 5 Treston Decoud 169 S 2017 0 0 0 0 8 Oregon St.
2017 7 Kyle Fuller 243 C 2017 0 0 0 0 8 Baylor

2016 1 Will Fuller 21 WR 2017 0 0 2 6 23 3 6 0 73 1041 9 Notre Dame
2016 2 Nick Martin 50 G 2017 0 0 1 0 14 Notre Dame
2016 3 Braxton Miller 85 WR 2017 0 0 0 1 20 4 1 0 32 252 2 Ohio St.
2016 4 Tyler Ervin 119 RB 2017 0 0 0 0 16 5 15 0 11 56 0 San Jose St.
2016 5 D.J. Reader 166 NT 2017 0 0 1 4 30 2.0 Clemson

2015 1 Kevin Johnson 16 CB 2017 0 0 0 7 34 1 Wake Forest
2015 2 Benardrick McKinney 43 ILB 2017 0 0 3 19 45 9.0 Mississippi St.
2015 6 Christian Covington 216 DT 2017 0 0 0 6 38 4.0 Rice

2014 1 Jadeveon Clowney 1 DE 2017 0 2 3 19 46 19.5 South Carolina
2014 2 Xavier Su'a-Filo 33 G 2017 0 0 3 11 55 UCLA
2014 3 C.J. Fiedorowicz 65 TE 2017 0 0 3 5 51 89 881 6 Iowa
2014 6 Alfred Blue 181 RB 2017 0 0 1 12 55 505 1869 5 45 280 2 LSU
2014 6 Jay Prosch 211 FB 2017 0 0 0 0 62 10 42 0 5 52 0 Auburn
2014 7 Andre Hal 216 DB 2017 0 0 3 12 60 9 1.0 Vanderbilt

2013 1 DeAndre Hopkins 27 WR 2017 0 2 5 31 79 413 5865 36 Clemson

2013 6 David Quessenberry 176 OL 2017 0 0 0 0 1 San Jose St.
2013 6 Ryan Griffin 201 TE 2017 0 0 1 7 63 112 1186 7 Connecticut

2012 1 Whitney Mercilus 26 DE 2017 0 0 4 35 83 38.5 Illinois

2011 1 J.J. Watt 11 DE 2017 4 4 5 82 88 3 4 3 1 76.0 Wisconsin

2010 1 Kareem Jackson 20 DB 2017 0 0 7 33 115 14 1.0 Alabama


2009 1 Brian Cushing 15 LB 2017 0 1 6 51 103 8 13.5 USC

That's a total of 28 .
 
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These guys aren't getting it done , always hurt , or have left the building . Either way it gets a nomination for the Linda Lovelace blown pick status .


2016 2 Nick Martin 50 G 2017 0 0 1 0 14 Notre Dame
2016 3 Braxton Miller 85 WR 2017 0 0 0 1 20 4 1 0 32 252 2 Ohio St.
2016 4 Tyler Ervin 119 RB 2017 0 0 0 0 16 5 15 0 11 56 0 San Jose St.
2016 5 K.J. Dillon 159 S 2016 0 0 0 0 5 West Virginia


2015 1 Kevin Johnson 16 CB 2017 0 0 0 7 34 1 Wake Forest

2015 3 Jaelen Strong 70 WR 2017 0 0 0 2 20 31 330 4 Arizona St.
2015 5 Keith Mumphery 175 WR 2016 0 0 0 2 27 24 198 0 Michigan St.
2015 6 Reshard Cliett 211 OLB 0 0 0 South Florida

2015 7 Kenny Hilliard 235 RB 0 0 0 LSU


2014 2 Xavier Su'a-Filo 33 G 2017 0 0 3 11 55 UCLA
2014 3 C.J. Fiedorowicz 65 TE 2017 0 0 3 5 51 89 881 6 Iowa
2014 3 Louis Nix 83 DT 2015 0 0 0 0 4 Notre Dame
2014 4 Tom Savage 135 QB 2017 0 0 0 1 13 181 315 2000 5 7 16 8 0 Pittsburgh
2014 6 Jeoffrey Pagan 177 DE 2015 0 0 0 1 22 Alabama

2014 7 Lonnie Ballentine 256 DB 2016 0 0 0 0 4 Memphis


2013 2 D.J. Swearinger 57 DB 2017 0 0 3 16 74 10 4.0 South Carolina
2013 3 Brennan Williams 89 OL 0 0 0 North Carolina
2013 3 Sam Montgomery 95 DE 0 0 0 LSU
2013 4 Trevardo Williams 124 DE 2014 0 0 0 0 3 1.0 Connecticut

2013 6 Alan Bonner 195 WR 0 0 0 Jacksonville St.
2013 6 Chris Jones 198 DT 2016 0 0 2 14 41 9.0 Bowling Green


2012 3 DeVier Posey 68 WR 2014 0 0 0 2 26 1 -3 0 22 272 0 Ohio St.

2012 4 Keshawn Martin 121 WR 2016 0 0 1 7 58 5 59 0 62 685 5 Michigan St.

2012 5 Randy Bullock 161 K 2017 0 0 4 5 62 Texas A&M
2012 6 Nick Mondek 195 OL 2012 0 0 0 0 Purdue


2011 2 Brandon Harris 60 DB 2014 0 0 0 3 42 Miami (FL)
2011 4 Roc Carmichael 127 DB 2013 0 0 0 1 19 Virginia Tech
2011 5 Shiloh Keo 144 DB 2016 0 0 1 9 56 1 8 0 3 Idaho

2011 7 Cheta Ozougwu 254 DE 2013 0 0 0 1 9 1.0 Rice


2010 4 Darryl Sharpton 102 LB 2014 0 0 1 10 47 1 1.0 Miami (FL)

2010 5 Sherrick McManis 144 DB 2017 0 0 0 7 106 1 Northwestern
2010 6 Shelley Smith 187 G 2014 0 0 0 7 36 Colorado St.

2010 7 Dorin Dickerson 227 WR 2013 0 0 0 1 24 1 -8 0 11 151 0 Pittsburgh


2009 3 Antoine Caldwell 77 G 2012 0 0 0 11 39 Alabama

2009 4 Anthony Hill 122 TE 2011 0 0 0 0 12 3 19 0 North Carolina St.

2009 7 Troy Nolan 223 DB 2012 0 0 0 5 38 3 1.5 Arizona St.


2008 3 Antwaun Molden 79 DB 2012 0 0 0 4 51 2 East. Kentucky

2008 4 Xavier Adibi 118 LB 2012 0 0 0 4 44 Virginia Tech
2008 5 Frank Okam 151 DT 2011 0 0 0 3 25 Texas
2008 6 Dominique Barber 173 DB 2011 0 0 0 5 39 1 1.0 Minnesota
2008 7 Alex Brink 223 QB 0 0 0 Washington St.

2007 1 Amobi Okoye 10 DT 2012 0 0 4 24 87 16.0 Louisville

2007 4 Fred Bennett 123 DB 2010 0 0 0 8 49 5 South Carolina
2007 5 Brandon Harrison 144 DB 2008 0 0 0 3 15 Stanford
2007 5 Brandon Frye 163 T 2009 0 0 0 2 11 Virginia Tech
2007 6 Kasey Studdard 183 G 2010 0 0 1 8 25 Texas
2007 7 Zach Diles 218 LB 2014 0 0 3 15 74 1 1.0 Kansas St.

That 47 players . Of these players , Nick Martin and Braxton Miller have a chance to help the Texans .
 
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infantrycak said:
Not going to go thru the whole list but it's not correct.

2016 Fuller still here
2016 Ervin still here
2016 Dillon on Arizona PS
2015 Strong on Jags
2015 Hilliard just moved active to Redskins PS
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I wasn't putting guys who were cut and picked up . I was more inclined to mention the ones who are doing well .

Strong blew out his ACL Sunday and Hilliard was cut last week IIRC .
 
You will soon be able to add Foreman to the injured bust list.

Too bad they didn't make him get surgery on his broken foot before the season started like CnD said.
 
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
I started following the Oilers in 1969 . I listened to a lot of radio because they couldn't sell out the game . The Oilers were a laughing stock until they hired Sid Gillman and he brought in Bum Phillips as his DC in 1975 IIRC . Before that Adams hired Bill Peterson from the 1-9 Rice Owls to coach the team . The Oilers sucked some more until Adams made Mike Holovack the VP and then the GM . After that the Oilers were an extremely talented team but never hired the right head coach .
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Holovak gets little notice, but he was a great talent evaluator with the 1981 through 1993 Oilers. He was instrumental in the signing Warren Moon and acquiring the players during the Run & Shoot era. I loved the way they built the OL and DL during that time period. Can you imagine a team using three consecutive first round picks on OL (Munchak, Matthews, Steinkulher) and 2 of the 3 makes the Hall of Fame. Incredible.
 
Earl34 said:
Holovak gets little notice, but he was a great talent evaluator with the 1981 through 1993 Oilers. He was instrumental in the signing Warren Moon and acquiring the players during the Run & Shoot era. I loved the way they built the OL and DL during that time period. Can you imagine a team using three consecutive first round picks on OL (Munchak, Matthews, Steinkulher) and 2 of the 3 makes the Hall of Fame. Incredible.
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Yep, and if Steinkkulher had stayed healthy there would've been 3 HOF'ers. It was generally said that Steinkulher was the most talented of the 3 before his knee injury. Steinkuhler was one of the best college OL that I've ever seen. Quick/tough/stong/smart.

BTW, if BOB stays (Doubtful) I hope he hires Matthews as OL coach.
 
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infantrycak said:
Stop misrepresenting what I've said.
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It's exactly what you said last yr when Lombardi/Glazer said BOB wanted out and there was so much dysfunction within the Texans org that McNair had to step in 2 days before a playoff game and say that BOB would be back.

If you want to clarify your position on this I would love to hear what you said at that time.
 
No it is not. I don't attack reporters by name. You're making crap up. And I'm not going to rehash stuff every time you want to misrepresent what transpired.
 
Earl34 said:
Holovak gets little notice, but he was a great talent evaluator with the 1981 through 1993 Oilers. He was instrumental in the signing Warren Moon and acquiring the players during the Run & Shoot era. I loved the way they built the OL and DL during that time period. Can you imagine a team using three consecutive first round picks on OL (Munchak, Matthews, Steinkulher) and 2 of the 3 makes the Hall of Fame. Incredible.
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They used a 1st on Florida OT David Williams ( baby gate ) and got Don Maggs a talented OT
from the USFL also .
 
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infantrycak said:
No it is not. I don't attack reporters by name. You're making crap up. And I'm not going to rehash stuff every time you want to misrepresent what transpired.
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Of course your not.

You say things like the national media and I say who actually reported those things. (Same thing.)

This just represents your inability to admit that you were wrong in this case.
 
The divorce papers aren't even filed. The story is not complete. You're premature.

I also don't generalize about national media, MSM, etc. I discuss individual articles/stories. That's 2 whiffs on the kinds of comments I even make. Your memory is beyond faulty.
 
infantrycak said:
The divorce papers aren't even filed. The story is not complete. You're premature.

I also don't generalize about national media, MSM, etc. I discuss individual articles/stories. That's 2 whiffs on the kinds of comments I even make. Your memory is beyond faulty.
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LOL

Keep on shoveling some may buy what you're selling.
 
Houston Texans: Owner Bob McNair has a decision to make. Coach Bill O’Brien has made it clear he wants to return and won’t quit on this team. Quarterback Deshaun Watson has voiced his views on O’Brien, too. That team is attempting to keep O’Brien in Houston. But there is a clear disconnect between O’Brien, who is under contract for one more season, and general manager Rick Smith. One way to remedy that is an option sources say McNair is considering: Elevating Smith’s position out of the football operation and giving O’Brien more say in personnel decisions. That could mean a promotion for assistant GM Jimmy Raye III or the hiring of a new personnel chief.
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000900056/article/whos-safe-whos-out-afc-coaches-on-hot-seat
 
Was watching NFL Network this morning. They said BOB is likely to stay. But the bigger news is that they are hearing that Smith will be moved OUT of football operations into some other role, and that BOB will be given more power. Details were unclear as to structure and what that means. I still regard this as rumor, but I'd regard it as strong rumor.
 
No matter what happens three quarters of the annonymous sources, rumors, speculation & MB prognostication are going to prove wrong. Or incomplete pieces of a picture wildly speculated on as if full information.
 
infantrycak said:
No matter what happens three quarters of the annonymous sources, rumors, speculation & MB prognostication are going to prove wrong. Or incomplete pieces of a picture wildly speculated on as if full information.
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I feel like we've heard that Ricky is gonna be moved to a different job for 3 years now.

And Obrien last year was supposedly gonna quit and again that tons of teams were looking to hire him
 
It seemed to me that all of the rumors and rumblings that I heard yesterday and last night, involved Bob .... and who would be the team to pry him away from the Texans. FO brings in new coaches and players who are highly thought of, and we still founder. The only constants remain Smith and the McNairs. The players seem to be on board with their head coach. Many of the most vocal supporters, are the most experienced players, whom it would seem, are familiar with and understand our issues the best. I would think it wise to keep Bob for at least the duration on his contract and move Ricky to an obscure upper level position.
 
justmy2cents said:
Many of the most vocal supporters, are the most experienced players, whom it would seem, are familiar with and understand our issues the best.
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Watson, Hopkins & Clowney are our most experienced players? Combined they have 10 seasons and 2 have never played for another HC.
 
infantrycak said:
Watson, Hopkins & Clowney are our most experienced players? Combined they have 10 seasons and 2 have never played for another HC.
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Cushing came out and said that O'Brien is a player's coach and a good head coach, and that if you asked any other player they would tell you the same.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Cushing came out and said that O'Brien is a player's coach and a good head coach, and that if you asked any other player they would tell you the same.
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You mean just returned from suspension, praying not to get cut, travesty OB named him captain Cushing?

Ok, I'll give you that one. I think FA punter Lechler said something nice as well.
 
We've ended a season with our starting QB healthy exactly 3 of 11 seasons under Rick Smith - what odds are you willing to put on Watson coming off his 2nd ACL behind a Rick Smith built line bucking that trend in 2018? This season isn't "bad luck" - it's just the same bad plan from the same bad GM who shouldn't be given a 12th time to prove it.
 
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