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All Encompassing Fire Joe Marciano

GP said:
Punt and kickoff coverage tonight.....I think the bad conditions saved our asses.
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We are basically a dome team and went into Chicago and played on their field in their conditions that they are used to and you think that somehow that helped us to win the game?
 
utahmark said:
We are basically a dome team and went into Chicago and played on their field in their conditions that they are used to and you think that somehow that helped us to win the game?
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This is a thread about SPECIAL TEAMS.

And yes, I think if this was a beautiful evening in pristine conditions, the Bears special teams could have done great damage to ours. No question. They are difference makers in every form and fashion.

Do you follow football? Do you not know how extraordinary the Bears are on ST and how polar opposite bad we are on ST?

Yeah, it was a big helping hand to have a sloppy track out there.
 
GP said:
This is a thread about SPECIAL TEAMS.

And yes, I think if this was a beautiful evening in pristine conditions, the Bears special teams could have done great damage to ours. No question. They are difference makers in every form and fashion.

Do you follow football? Do you not know how extraordinary the Bears are on ST and how polar opposite bad we are on ST?

Yeah, it was a big helping hand to have a sloppy track out there.
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No... I just been coming here and posting for the last 10 years for the heck of it.

Our special teams got outplayed just like they do every week. We won the game just like we do every week.
 
utahmark said:
No... I just been coming here and posting for the last 10 years for the heck of it.

Our special teams got outplayed just like they do every week. We won the game just like we do every week.
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Yeah, since this a whopping blowout right? 13-6 on the road, no chance for special teams to play a role right?

Go find someone else to **** talk to.
 
GP said:
Yeah, since this a whopping blowout right? 13-6 on the road, no chance for special teams to play a role right?

Go find someone else to **** talk to.
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You were talking about a nice clear field on a clear day? I think we win by more than 7 points in that situation. You change the rules of your argument after every post. Then you **** me, after you had already insulted my football intelligence. You dont want to talk about football now..... do you?
 
just so yall know ST does not just cover punt returners

its punting and reciving blocking and tackling

its the Punter and FG kicker

Its extra points teams

etc etc etc
 
ChampionTexan said:
I refuse to believe there's anyway coach Joe will be back as ST coach. He may not get fired - he may retire, or get kicked upstairs (either of which would be absolutely okay with me), but when you've got Graham squib kicking every kick, that's gotta be a clue a change is in order (The other clue is when it worked better than kicking it off regularly- well, most of the time).

I've said this before - Coach Joe means a lot to this franchise, and he should be treated accordingly, but he absolutely can't be the Texans Special Teams coach in 2013.
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Yes, Joe means a lot to this team; but, that doesn't mean she shouldn't be fired. The options you presented - allowing him to retire and be kicked upstairs - implies that those are the only two options to give him a respectable exit. That's not true.

Yes, he should be respected. Doing so would mean NOT firing him during the season. An employee can be fired with respect. Especially in football.

I like Coach Joe for sentimental reasons of being the last original Texan, but, that's about it. He should be treated like any other employee, and an honorable, respectable firing at the end of the season would be fair.
 
houstonspartan said:
Yes, Joe means a lot to this team; but, that doesn't mean she shouldn't be fired. The options you presented - allowing him to retire and be kicked upstairs - implies that those are the only two options to give him a respectable exit. That's not true.

Yes, he should be respected. Doing so would mean NOT firing him during the season. An employee can be fired with respect. Especially in football.

I like Coach Joe for sentimental reasons of being the last original Texan, but, that's about it. He should be treated like any other employee, and an honorable, respectable firing at the end of the season would be fair.
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Never said he couldn't (or even shouldn't) be fired. I consciously used the words "may not" as opposed to will not. Different teams have different modus operandi, and while saying thank you and goodbye to Coach Joe can certainly be done in a respectful manner, it just wouldn't surprise me to see ownership handle it a little bit differently.
 
Get him outa here .... and take that liquored up kicker with him , cant kick it into the damn endzone.
 
I'm going to say it again... Special Teams COULD cost the Texans in the playoffs. There aren't going to be any easy wins in the playoffs, so it'll come down to things like special teams. I'm not sure what the Texans can do at this point for special teams. As long as they're winning, they're not going to fire this asswipe. Jacoby and Trindon, as much as you want to make them out to be careless, are doing things on other special teams. This jack ass just doesn't have it when it comes to developing special teams. Have to make some kind of change, we also need a new goddamn kicker/punter.
 
ItsMyFault said:
I'm going to say it again... Special Teams COULD cost the Texans in the playoffs. There aren't going to be any easy wins in the playoffs, so it'll come down to things like special teams. I'm not sure what the Texans can do at this point for special teams. As long as they're winning, they're not going to fire this asswipe. Jacoby and Trindon, as much as you want to make them out to be careless, are doing things on other special teams. This jack ass just doesn't have it when it comes to developing special teams. Have to make some kind of change, we also need a new goddamn kicker/punter.
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I think kicker and punter are fine for this season. Graham has been solid and Jones has been very good until yesterday. I keep hoping the they sign Hartman just so he can do the kickoffs. I think they could afford to drop a ST/depth player for a kicking specialist.
 
I don't think it's Marciano's fault that Graham can't kick a damn kickoff into the endzone, even from the 40 or wherever the kick starts now. Last year we saw our first K drafted (and look how well that turned out lol) how about a P this year?
 
Our kicking/coverage game seems ok. Graham's leg strength still concerns me though.

It is our return game that is the BIG concern.

You can't blame the talent because Jacoby and Holliday are having big years elsewhere.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
You can't blame the talent because Jacoby and Holliday are having big years elsewhere.
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That is part of why you can blame the talent. Those guys are 1 of 11. Here they were getting crap blocking with actually some pretty good returns which then were called back like Martin's this weekend for penalties. Some of that is coaching and some of that is players screwing up.
 
gwallaia said:
NFL admits Holiday's return should not have counted. He celebrated and tossed the ball before crossing the goal line! Should have been a touch back and the Panther's ball at the 20.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...ndon-holliday-td-for-denver-broncos-a-mistake
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That doesn't matter one bit. This is less about Trindon (or Jacoby) and more about what the other 10 guys on the field are doing to assist them. Negating the TD (as should have been done) wouldn't have changed things one bit.
 
Scooter said:
what's hartmann doing these days? is he still recovering?
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Doubt they'd bring him back.

Initially was suspended for 3 games...then the league tacked on several more games because the league said he lied on some sort of questioning procedure.

I would think Kubiak wouldn't risk the position by dropping DJ and adding Hartmann. Might get one last shot in camp 2013, maybe.
 
TimeKiller said:
I don't think it's Marciano's fault that Graham can't kick a damn kickoff into the endzone, even from the 40 or wherever the kick starts now. Last year we saw our first K drafted (and look how well that turned out lol) how about a P this year?
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I dont think its Marciano's fault either .... But the coverage teams have been lacking , especially on kickoffs , guy's not holding their lanes and things of that nature. That is his fault.


Blocking on kickoff and punt returns has left a lot to be desired too .... Special teams just havent been very special all around.

Graham wasnt kicking them exceptionally deep early in the season or even in preseason .... But he's gotten worse as the year has gone along. So bad now that they'd rather squib kick and concede at least the 25 yardline , often more.

I wonder if he's got a nagging injury we dont know about.


For me to be saying this as a longtime supporter of Marciano .... should carry significant weight.
 
Corrosion said:
I dont think its Marciano's fault either .... But the coverage teams have been lacking , especially on kickoffs , guy's not holding their lanes and things of that nature. That is his fault.


Blocking on kickoff and punt returns has left a lot to be desired too .... Special teams just havent been very special all around.

Graham wasnt kicking them exceptionally deep early in the season or even in preseason .... But he's gotten worse as the year has gone along. So bad now that they'd rather squib kick and concede at least the 25 yardline , often more.

I wonder if he's got a nagging injury we dont know about.


For me to be saying this as a longtime supporter of Marciano .... should carry significant weight.
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I'm not sure, but I think they might have been doing the squib kicks because of the weather. Either they were avoiding a bad kick, a long return, or hoping that the Bears would fumble the bouncing ball, I don't think that will be the norm going forward. If they do that next week, I'll be worried.
 
They squib kicked one long, squib kicked one short...punted out of bounds, pinned him to sideline.

Nothing the same way twice, to keep him and their ST off balance.

I noticed Donnie, when punting, took a pause between catching the snap and the first step or so. As if he was giving the coverage guys just a split second more time to get down the field. Anybody notice that? Every single punt. I don't recall him doing that prior to last night.
 
GP said:
They squib kicked one long, squib kicked one short...punted out of bounds, pinned him to sideline.

Nothing the same way twice, to keep him and their ST off balance.

I noticed Donnie, when punting, took a pause between catching the snap and the first step or so. As if he was giving the coverage guys just a split second more time to get down the field. Anybody notice that? Every single punt. I don't recall him doing that prior to last night.
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I didn't notice the pause. If there was one, I would attribute it more to making sure he had a grip on that wet ball before kicking it. Last night was the first crappy weather game we've played in this year, IIRC.
 
Corrosion said:
I dont think its Marciano's fault either .... But the coverage teams have been lacking , especially on kickoffs , guy's not holding their lanes and things of that nature. That is his fault.


Blocking on kickoff and punt returns has left a lot to be desired too .... Special teams just havent been very special all around.

Graham wasnt kicking them exceptionally deep early in the season or even in preseason .... But he's gotten worse as the year has gone along. So bad now that they'd rather squib kick and concede at least the 25 yardline , often more.

I wonder if he's got a nagging injury we dont know about.


For me to be saying this as a longtime supporter of Marciano .... should carry significant weight.
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Spot On

Not very special is putting it kindly.

ST's have been terrible.

They were the biggest single factor in the Packers blowing out the Texans and have been horrible all season. The best we can hope for is that by playoff time the ST's can atleast become avg.
 
GP said:
They squib kicked one long, squib kicked one short...punted out of bounds, pinned him to sideline.

Nothing the same way twice, to keep him and their ST off balance.

I noticed Donnie, when punting, took a pause between catching the snap and the first step or so. As if he was giving the coverage guys just a split second more time to get down the field. Anybody notice that? Every single punt. I don't recall him doing that prior to last night.
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Yep saw that and mentioned on the day thread. Seemed a deliberate second or so wait before kicking (in my eyes) however it was for sure when there was not much of a rush coming at him
 
Cjeremy635 said:
I didn't notice the pause. If there was one, I would attribute it more to making sure he had a grip on that wet ball before kicking it. Last night was the first crappy weather game we've played in this year, IIRC.
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This makes more sense to me. Kick/punt coverage is about timing. They practice getting that timing down over and over and over. If the punter waits too long to get the kick away, he risks drawing a penalty for illegal man down field. But I can see him taking an extra half sec to make sure he's got a good grip on the ball before kicking.
 
Why am I seeing other teams hire ST Coaches and only hearing this

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from the Texans offices??? :foottap:
 
Playoffs said:
Why am I seeing other teams hire ST Coaches and only hearing this

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from the Texans offices??? :foottap:
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Because it's BoB's way.

We're so close. LOL

Meanwhile the good ST's coaches Toub for example is being snatched up. Wonder if Gary would even consider giving Westhoff a call. That guy has been an elite ST's coach for yrs.


Naww!!!! Gary doesn't want to rock the boat. There's utopia in the Texans world.
 
One of my fears is that special team play was good enough in NE game to get Joe another year.

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I think that NE game saved Marciano.

But you do have to wonder if the returners (trindon included) just werent getting it done back there since manning was able to bust two big ones with relative eased. He looked like he reads it better and is more patient that the other guys we've put back there.
 
TejasTom said:
One of my fears is that special team play was good enough in NE game to get Joe another year.

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That was my fear the moment Manning busted the two returns. The first return made me go "Hmmm..." the second return I went "Aww sheesh, I know what happens now."

But honestly, I think the guy's job was safe AND IS safe no matter what.

It's The Kubiak Way. If you're on the Kubiak Express, if your ticket is punched, you get to ride the whole way. No stops, no layovers. You're IN.
 
I bet it just urks the texans to have let go both J jones and holiday whos decesion was that anywayz RIck or did JOe have input ???????? and how bad there ST have been


MAN how does JOe have a job right now HE SHOULD BE FIRED TODAY RIGHT NOW any news on this ...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When does Mcnair usually Fire coaches ..????
 
GP said:
That was my fear the moment Manning busted the two returns. The first return made me go "Hmmm..." the second return I went "Aww sheesh, I know what happens now."

But honestly, I think the guy's job was safe AND IS safe no matter what.

It's The Kubiak Way. If you're on the Kubiak Express, if your ticket is punched, you get to ride the whole way. No stops, no layovers. You're IN.
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Sad but true.

How did Wade get hired?

He was an outsider.
 
ckhouston said:
It would be stupid not to. He gives you the best chance to win.

If Hartman and Bullock aren't our starters next year I will be dissapointed.
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Hartman sued the team, I'd be real surprised if he's back. Bullock I expect to be the starter.
 
GP said:
But honestly, I think the guy's job was safe AND IS safe no matter what.

It's The Kubiak Way. If you're on the Kubiak Express, if your ticket is punched, you get to ride the whole way. No stops, no layovers. You're IN.
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I don't know... we had no problems firing Rich Smith & Frank Bush. From his last press conference and the Kubiak Show, he sounded very unhappy how special teams performed this season. I'd bet Marciano's days are almost over.
 
Met Marciano's brother and sister-n-law at a sports bar named "the Pub" at the MC hotel in Vegas over the past weekend. Real nice couple.
 
Joe is very nice I first met him at training camp in 2002. He has a special needs child and always comes over to me at practice and talks.
 
gary said:
Joe is very nice I first met him at training camp in 2002. He has a special needs child and always comes over to me at practice and talks.
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Gary, lots of people are nice and have great families and are great people, but we also need someone that's a good special teams coach. We are struggling on special teams now for at least 2 years.

He needs to pick it up or we need a new coach.
 
gary said:
Joe is very nice I first met him at training camp in 2002. He has a special needs child and always comes over to me at practice and talks.
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I wasn't speaking about the man himself, Gary, just his coaching abilities, or more specifically his inability to adapt to today's game.
 
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