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All Encompassing Fire Joe Marciano
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Luv_ya_blue
Truth, Love, Faith & Obedience - Christianity 101
Brahman's blocked punt and TD will be more than enough for the leadership to justify keeping him on.
I'm not a huge kubiak fan overall, but I thought this team could win in spite of his suspect play calling.
I don't think he takes advantage of the offensive talent he has.
eriadoc
Texan-American
The team can win in spite of him, as long as they're playing the Dolphins, Jags, and Titans of the league. They'll jump up and win a big one now and again, just like any team. But when the big moments come, he doesn't seem to have the instinct to make the right calls enough of the time. The pass to AJ a couple weeks back for the key first down to close the game out is the sort of thing a coach has to do sometimes. Kubiak doesn't do it often enough, but he puts himself in position to need to be able to do it more often.
And as you said above, the ST play has been bad for a while. Some have pointed out that Marciano never adjusted to the wedge being outlawed. I can't say I disagree with that. So it falls on Kubiak to make that evaluation every offseason and after every game and make adjustments as needed. So far, he's made the same adjustments he made with Richard Smith and Frank Bush. He's going to have to be dragged kicking and screaming into making the decision that has to be made. That's a crap head coach.
Joeycharp89
Waterboy
Trindon Holiday with a kickoff return for TD today for the Broncos.
He also has a turnover with the Broncos. Boom or bust. I liked Keyshawn Martin today, and I haven't seen him muff a kick-off/punt recently.
Wanna take that back now due ya ?
Donnie Jones has been the lone bright spot on our ST unit. Him and maybe Braman.
Wow, i'm actually responding to a Norg post. :mariopalm:
TheIronDuke
All Pro
CretorFrigg
Fire Rick Smith
I'm really dreading next week. The Bears have one of the best special teams in the league, and we're the worst. It's not going to be a good matchup. We can't make any mistakes next week.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
COACH JOE
SCOTTexans
Rookie
Ugh... We give the 7th most return yards out of all teams... and the bills give up the most return yards out of any team... I thought Martin looked good today but if that was against the worst punting team. We still need alot of help
Total punting yards is not indicative of a succesful punter. Its just a punter who punts a lot.
We are 14th in average punt distance and 19th in average net
TheIronDuke
All Pro
Here:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/punting/sort/grossAvgPuntYards
Donnie Jones is 13th in the league in average, better than "below average" as the person I corrected was saying. Our freaking punting game is the last part of ST I'm concerned with.
Actual punting isnt the problem , Jones has been solid.
The issue is coverage on both punt and kickoff returns.
Marciano .... may or may not be the problem , Im at a loss as to why they have been so poor in coverage.
Sure would be nice to have a kicker who could kick off a little longer .... Kickoff's have been abyssmal in distance and coverage. League Worst I believe.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
Yeah, but goofed on another return shortly thereafter. He watched a ball bounce inside their 5 without doing anything. It took someone else to run over there and fall on the ball while Holliday still watched.
Then again, Martin pulled a boner too yesterday.
Tricycle also looked pretty damn bad on several occasions playing for that same team he ran one back for.
With him , its much like Jacoby Jones - Feast or Famine.
Joe still needs to go. He's got 4-5 well above average ST players and isnt getting anything out of the rest of his charges. If not for Ball , Keo , Demps and Braman .... They might just have to kick them all out of bounds.
Extra credit should go to Ball and Braman .... they have been in beast mode on ST all season.
Cjeremy635
Overtraining
Trindon Holiday with a kickoff return for TD today for the Broncos.
There was a guy that called into the post-game show on 610 yesterday. He brought up that he wanted Kubiak fired because he cut Trindon and Trindon had a return for a TD. I was like WTF? The guy said that it showed that Kubiak had no eye for talent and didn't know how to utilize people.
Trindon was given EVERY chance to excel on this team. He did great when the games didn't count, but he crumbled under pressure when it mattered most. I was happy to see him go and I still stand by that.
Now, my main gripe is our weak a$$ kick offs and field goals. I'm not happy with the leg strength at all. Yes, we haven't missed many field goals, but I feel we're screwed if we need a 52 yarder to win the game. On kick offs, I have no idea why we have someone who repeatedly doesn't kick it into the end zone. Is that by design or is his leg just that weak? Someone let me know because it's driving me crazy.
Please, share with us the knowledge of decipherment.
Never say never. In spite of Kubiak's image, I think he can be cold blooded when required. I do not see Marciano on staff in 2013.
Cjeremy635
Overtraining
Please, share with us the knowledge of decipherment.
Never say never. In spite of Kubiak's image, I think he can be cold blooded when required. I do not see Marciano on staff in 2013.
I don't either. He knows that ST is the weakest link on the team and has been declining. I see a change coming at the end of the season unless there's some drastic turn around.
I heard the call on the drive hime from the game and had two immediate thoughts.
1. The caller didn't understand how much leeway Trindon was given. He was nuts.
2. The "Homer" 610 group all blah-blah'd about how bad can they be, since we're 7-1. If the brain trust at 610 can't see the problems, they aren't watching the same game I am.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Texans will face the best special teams unit in Chicago against da Bears next Sunday night. Difference in the game, most likely. Dave Toub is the best SP teams coach out there http://www.chicagobears.com/team/coaches/Dave-Toub/2409c6f0-4be6-4507-a9c4-5c72aefe9fd4 just a guess but having the respect & confidence of your players is huge. Joe may have run out of supporters? We will see the disparity on the field if it costs Texans the game then I'm in, until then I will give him one more shot to rally his troops to see if players still listen 
I cannot listen to local sports radio when they let morons blather their idiotic thoughts.
At least with a forum, you can call dipshats out and reply to their nonsense. With radio, they are more concerned with ratings than actually putting out a good product. I'd bet that 90% of callers should never get airtime.
I'd rather listen to music I like than dumbasses that I do not respect.
At least with a forum, you can call dipshats out and reply to their nonsense. With radio, they are more concerned with ratings than actually putting out a good product. I'd bet that 90% of callers should never get airtime.
I'd rather listen to music I like than dumbasses that I do not respect.
Cjeremy635
Overtraining
YES! I see nothing wrong with pointing out the pink elephant in the room. It's a weak spot that needs to get fixed before it costs us a game. At some point it will come down to special teams and I don't have a lot of faith in ours. We give up too many yards and that will hurt you in the long run. Anyone should be able to see that.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
I don't know if it was by design or not but the Texans were allowing 26.4 yards per return going into the game and held the Bills (who were #1 going into the game with 30.8 per return) to 13 yards per return with an average start at the 26 yard line. That's a definite improvement from what I've seen the first 7 games.
If it was by design, I thought it was awfully damn risky to be allowing the Bills #1 return team opportunities like that. It worked - this time, and I'll take it of course, but this is something that worries me.
TackHammer
Practice Squad
After watching Trindon take one to the house the other day I have to blame Marciano for the suck that our ST are.
All Trindon needed was some blocking.
All Trindon needed was some blocking.
Exascor
Veteran
Marciano has never done anything special imo. In previous years the Texans have been OK in ST. He doesn't get much input into what players get drafted/signed. He has to make due with the players he gets. What he can do is make sure that coverage teams are excellent and return units are at least solid. This year, he has failed. After we win in New Orleans, he can retire and maybe we can get some fresh, young coach to take over special teams in 2013.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
With the way Holliday stuck around on the team for as long as he did, I kind of wonder if Marciano was the reason we kept Jacoby for all those years.
Thank gawd there is some weakness on this team. If not this board just would not be the same without the obligatory "All Encompassing Fire (insert name here)" thread.
Cjeremy635
Overtraining
SCOTTexans
Rookie
Both Holliday and Jacoby both had return TDs today....
Lady.Gaga.3000
Waterboy
I was just going to mention that! Jacoby is beasting on KR. Holliday is also amazing in his few weeks at Denver.
Lady.Gaga.3000
Waterboy
Why would we even take a risk of running a kick off return back in rain when we can't do it in perfect 76 degree climate? I haven't been on the fire Joe bandwagon yet but this is just stupid.
CretorFrigg
Fire Rick Smith
This is atrocious. Was that an onside kick or a squib kick? Fire Marciano. Anyone is better than him at this point .
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Jacoby's issues are at WR. Finding a guy to returns kicks is not hard to do. We've had a few here that were exceptional in just 10 years. Organizing the other 10 guys on the receiving team into a unit that can block for that guy is tough.
I don't care if Jacoby runs back two or three more this year for the Ravens. I wouldn't want him anywhere near my teams locker room.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
I refuse to believe there's anyway coach Joe will be back as ST coach. He may not get fired - he may retire, or get kicked upstairs (either of which would be absolutely okay with me), but when you've got Graham squib kicking every kick, that's gotta be a clue a change is in order (The other clue is when it worked better than kicking it off regularly- well, most of the time).
I've said this before - Coach Joe means a lot to this franchise, and he should be treated accordingly, but he absolutely can't be the Texans Special Teams coach in 2013.
I've said this before - Coach Joe means a lot to this franchise, and he should be treated accordingly, but he absolutely can't be the Texans Special Teams coach in 2013.