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All encompassing Bill O'Brien thread

Mr teX said:
Yeah, apparently everything wrong with the team is his/RS/McNair's fault and everything positive that has happened with this team over the last couple of years he's been here is either not b/c of him or not all that impressive....which is why i can't take alot of what's going on in this thread seriously.
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You shouldn’t take the internet seriously in general.
 
banned1976 said:
Looking at your link, Bill O'Brien is tied for 14th. That seems to be about right, IMO. His lowest grade (6.6) was in clock management. Also right.

I'd like to see one full year with Watson and O'Brien. Of course people will say O'Brien had nothing to do with Watson's success. They are the same people who blame O'Brien for every QB failure leading up to Watson. He either mistreated them, didn't coach them properly and/or he was solely responsible for them being here.

All that said, I was calling for him to be fired earlier this year myself. But that had more to do with clock management than anything else.
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I would only fire OB if Reid or Harbaugh was available. I don’t think any assistant coaches not with the Patriots are going to be as good as Kyle Shanahan so I would pass on that. Pass on all college coaches too. I think most people agree with that. So if those two aren’t available OB is staying another year. That will give us time to see how he does with Watson. It’s premature to fire him when he has one year left on his contract for any other reason.

I wouldn’t sign him to an extension.

When I have a chance I would like to see why that website ranks Caldwell in the top tier and Carroll in the 3rd tier. That is interesting.
 
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Case is 9-2 as the starter in Minny .... 16 TD's 5 picks 0 fumbles , only 9 sacks total (this Texans team gave up more than that in a game) , a completion percentage of 67.6 , averaging 7.5YPA and a QBR over 98 and did I mention being 9-2 as the starter and has his team positioned as the #1 seed in the superior NFC ?!


If that don't put him in the conversation .... I dunno what will.


He wont win it , that'll go to Brady .... but he's in the mix with the select few others who could win it if not for Brady's ridiculous season .... at his advanced age.
 
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It also doesn't hurt that Keenum is playing behind the best OL in the league. His career would have been over if years ago if he was playing behind these turnstiles. In hindsight OB probably should have kept him over Savage.

I could see him getting into he MVP conversation next year if he keeps it up. For now, his status is "Cinderella story" IMO.
 
Keenum is playing well but that defense is why they have the record that they do. Their defense only allowed 9 points to the Falcons in Atlanta. That is pretty crazy.
 
Corrosion said:
Case is 9-2 as the starter in Minny .... 16 TD's 5 picks 0 fumbles , only 9 sacks total (this Texans team gave up more than that in a game) , a completion percentage of 67.6 , averaging 7.5YPA and a QBR over 98 and did I mention being 9-2 as the starter and has his team positioned as the #1 seed in the superior NFC ?!


If that don't put him in the conversation .... I dunno what will.


He wont win it , that'll go to Brady .... but he's in the mix with the select few others who could win it if not for Brady's ridiculous season .... at his advanced age.
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Lol no.........I think everyone recognizes that Case is a game manager.

Statistically, he hasn't even thrown more TD passes than Watson despite playing in 5 more games. Apart from that, Goff & Wentz mean much more to their teams' success and are statistically having a better season as well.
 
TexansBull said:
I would only fire OB if Reid or Harbaugh was available. I don’t think any assistant coaches not with the Patriots are going to be as good as Kyle Shanahan so I would pass on that. Pass on all college coaches too. I think most people agree with that. So if those two aren’t available OB is staying another year. That will give us time to see how he does with Watson. It’s premature to fire him when he has one year left on his contract for any other reason.

I wouldn’t sign him to an extension.

When I have a chance I would like to see why that website ranks Caldwell in the top tier and Carroll in the 3rd tier. That is interesting.
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The article is interesting from an opinion based standpoint. Just another fan of the game. His opinion can be debated just as much as if one of us had made the same list. On a list like this...insider information doesn't change the reality of what each team produces on the field. That information is free to all, who have the time, desire, critical eye and a dash of unbiased common sense.

For me, O'Brien has done well with the talent being supplied to him by RS. Now that's O'Brien's words. Remember, O'Brien is the one who stated, "I just coach the players I am given"....not 100% sure how that got misconstrued into, I just coach the players WE HAVE SELECTED". O'Brien's biggest hurdles; micro-management, predictable game plan, clock management and critical in-game decisions.

For me, I think O'Brien's offense is what it is, in his mind. I don't think he's ever given full rein of his offense to his OC (Godfrey) to make all decisions. O'Brien's desire to be basically the OC and HC has hampered his growth as a HC, which is a shame. His game plan has been scary predictable with each and every QB except Watson. Watson's ability to stretch plays b/c of his escapability changed the called plays on the fly, which in turn allowed his receivers to create separation or create running lanes for him to exploit. My biggest concern, would they have been able to keep this up for a full season? I'm just not certain since it essentially turns the playbook into a sandlot offense where everyone improvises after the protection fails. O'Brien personally failed on 2 more occasions this season when he mismanaged the clock down the stretch. Now this could be somewhat forgivable, if this was his first season as a rookie NFL HC, but this is his 6th year as a HC (2- Penn St & 4- Houston) and the same mistakes still plague him each and every year at the most crucial times in a game. O'Brien has -since his arrival- treated any and all 3rd and long situations as an absolute running play off-center. I swear, at some point, some DC will line up his entire defense on a 3rd and long between the center and LT or TE (4- DL, 3-LB, 1- SS, 2- CB) and no deeper than 8 yards off the LOS with 1- FS freelancing outside the box in the event a brain-fart has ensued. O'Brien would then, as if on que, slam Miller right into the pile of humans on the left side and then stand there with that look on his face...damn, that didn't work!

More than likely, Watson can make O'Brien look good and hide his short-comings. This statement only remains valid if Watson can complete a full season while leading the Texans in the playoffs. In all reality, I think Watson can make any HC/OC combo look good if the offense has all the required pieces to be successful....oh, this is where the responsibility falls into RS's lap.
 
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Mr teX said:
Lol no.........I think everyone recognizes that Case is a game manager.

Statistically, he hasn't even thrown more TD passes than Watson despite playing in 5 more games. Apart from that, Goff & Wentz mean much more to their teams' success and are statistically having a better season as well.
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Keenum has advanced his game beyond "Game Manager" status. He's getting better each week...and that's with a healthy Bridgewater looking over his shoulder. Might even be even more dangerous with Cook running the ball. If Case finishes strong, who do you think the Vikings are going to keep when they have Bradford, Bridgewater and Keenum standing in front of them waiting to sign on the dotted line? Remember, the Vikings will be picking late based on their record so they're likely drafting a backup/project QB later...so their next starter isn't coming from the 2018 NFL Draft.

Personally, I think Bradford is out and Bridgewater's future with the team will depend on what he and his agent have in mind "financially" during contract negotiations.
 
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Corrosion said:
Case is 9-2 as the starter in Minny .... 16 TD's 5 picks 0 fumbles , only 9 sacks total (this Texans team gave up more than that in a game) , a completion percentage of 67.6 , averaging 7.5YPA and a QBR over 98 and did I mention being 9-2 as the starter and has his team positioned as the #1 seed in the superior NFC ?!


If that don't put him in the conversation .... I dunno what will.


He wont win it , that'll go to Brady .... but he's in the mix with the select few others who could win it if not for Brady's ridiculous season .... at his advanced age.
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Hindsight is 50/50

People tends to bring up ex coaches and players to attempt to validate a point in which is very irrelevant. Case was not successful here, all because he is showing success finally on his what 3rd or 4th team. Does not mean he would've been successful here if we would've held on to him. That just like Kubiak winning the SB in Denver. He had plenty of time here in Houston to get the job done. Unfortunately he didn't but he fell into the perfect situation in Denver.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Keenum has advanced his game beyond "Game Manager" status. He's getting better each week...and that's with a healthy Bridgewater looking over his shoulder. Might even be even more dangerous with Cook running the ball. If Case finishes strong, who do you think the Vikings are going to keep when they have Bradford, Bridgewater and Keenum standing in front of them waiting to sign on the dotted line? Remember, the Vikings will be picking late based on their record so they're likely drafting a backup/project QB later...so their next starter isn't coming from the 2018 NFL Draft.

Personally, I think Bradford is out and Bridgewater's future with the team will depend on what he and his agent have in mind "financially" during contract negotiations.
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No, no he hasn't. He's on track to finish about where Alex Smith's average seasons in KC have been which is around 3500-3600 yds 24 TD's & we all know what the league thinks of Smith. Fact of the matter is, it's been their defense that's been setting the pace for them & Case hasn't really been up against it. Regardless of what he does in the regular season, the true test will be what he does in the playoffs when teams are much more locked in. That'll be the determination of whether or not the Vikes keep him over Bridgewater.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
The article is interesting from an opinion based standpoint. Just another fan of the game. His opinion can be debated just as much as if one of us had made the same list. On a list like this...insider information doesn't change the reality of what each team produces on the field. That information is free to all, who have the time, desire, critical eye and a dash of unbiased common sense.

For me, O'Brien has done well with the talent being supplied to him by RS. Now that's O'Brien's words. Remember, O'Brien is the one who stated, "I just coach the players I am given"....not 100% sure how that got misconstrued into, I just coach the players WE HAVE SELECTED". O'Brien's biggest hurdles; micro-management, predictable game plan, clock management and critical in-game decisions.

For me, I think O'Brien's offense is what it is, in his mind. I don't think he's ever given full rein of his offense to his OC (Godfrey) to make all decisions. O'Brien's desire to be basically the OC and HC has hampered his growth as a HC, which is a shame. His game plan has been scary predictable with each and every QB except Watson. Watson's ability to stretch plays b/c of his escapability changed the called plays on the fly, which in turn allowed his receivers to create separation or create running lanes for him to exploit. My biggest concern, would they have been able to keep this up for a full season? I'm just not certain since it essentially turns the playbook into a sandlot offense where everyone improvises after the protection fails. O'Brien personally failed on 2 more occasions this season when he mismanaged the clock down the stretch. Now this could be somewhat forgivable, if this was his first season as a rookie NFL HC, but this is his 6th year as a HC (2- Penn St & 4- Houston) and the same mistakes still plague him each and every year at the most crucial times in a game. O'Brien has -since his arrival- treated any and all 3rd and long situations as an absolute running play off-center. I swear, at some point, some DC will line up his entire defense on a 3rd and long between the center and LT or TE (4- DL, 3-LB, 1- SS, 2- CB) and no deeper than 8 yards off the LOS with 1- FS freelancing outside the box in the event a brain-fart has ensued. O'Brien would then, as if on que, slam Miller right into the pile of humans on the left side and then stand there with that look on his face...damn, that didn't work!

More than likely, Watson can make O'Brien look good and hide his short-comings. This statement only remains valid if Watson can complete a full season while leading the Texans in the playoffs. In all reality, I think Watson can make any HC/OC combo look good if the offense has all the required pieces to be successful....oh, this is where the responsibility falls into RS's lap.
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Every fan of every team says the bolded & it stands to reason why we all say that........because we watch our team week in week out so we can kinda predict plays based on familiarity. I disagree that the gameplans were predictable but if i were to agree with you I would assert that they were with the other qbs b/c he was limited in what he could call with them, vs what he can with Watson. Most of the other qbs he's had to work with have similar skill sets...Watson has those same skillsets in spades plus others that allow him to do more. In that regard it's hard to fault BoB for not being quite comfortable driving his new Bugati Veyron when he's been driving an 87' Yugo for 3 years..........


So what I saw when Watson took the reigns was BoB freeing himself from the constraints Hoyer,Mallet, & Oz had on his playcalling in years prior. He was unrolling it slowly with Watson, but he was doing it & the Seattle game is good example of that as there were plays, motion and pre-snap action that we saw run with Watson that we'd never seen with the other guys. Some of it was things from Clemson's playbook that Watson was familiar with (zone read runs), but alot of it were plays im pretty sure BoB had that he couldn't run with the trash he had @ qb before b/c they sucked.
 
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Texansballer74 said:
Hindsight is 50/50

People tends to bring up ex coaches and players to attempt to validate a point in which is very irrelevant. Case was not successful here, all because he is showing success finally on his what 3rd or 4th team. Does not mean he would've been successful here if we would've held on to him. That just like Kubiak winning the SB in Denver. He had plenty of time here in Houston to get the job done. Unfortunately he didn't but he fell into the perfect situation in Denver.
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I was stating my arguments for CK from the time he received his private workout with Kubiak. Anyone who's ventured over to the team's message board might have seen Optimistic (Me) have some great debates regarding CK. What I seen then are the things he's displaying now...my argument has never changed so the 50/50 isn't the shoe I'm going to wear. By the way, we haven't had any successful QB's in this organization since Schaub stamped that book for roughly 3 seasons. Watson has won some games but his 7 game stint still had a record of 3-4 and his ultimate success will be tied to what RS and O'Brien do to surround him with the right talent....like the Vikings did for CK.
 
Mr teX said:
No, no he hasn't. He's on track to finish about where Alex Smith's average seasons in KC have been which is around 3500-3600 yds 24 TD's & we all know what the league thinks of Smith. Fact of the matter is, it's been their defense that's been setting the pace for them & Case hasn't really been up against it. Regardless of what he does in the regular season, the true test will be what he does in the playoffs when teams are much more locked in. That'll be the determination of whether or not the Vikes keep him over Bridgewater.
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No, no, no...CK has led the Vikings to a 10-2 record and the #1 seed in the NFC. Smith and KC has regressed horribly after their 5-0 start and have since gone 1-6...resulting in a 3 way tie for first place. There's a very good chance the Chiefs could miss the playoffs all together. Again, don't let stats be the only method for judgement...CK is passing the eye test.
 
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OptimisticTexan said:
I was stating my arguments for CK from the time he received his private workout with Kubiak. Anyone who's ventured over to the team's message board might have seen Optimistic (Me) have some great debates regarding CK. What I seen then are the things he's displaying now...my argument has never changed so the 50/50 isn't the shoe I'm going to wear. By the way, we haven't had any successful QB's in this organization since Schaub stamped that book for roughly 3 seasons. Watson has won some games but his 7 game stint still had a record of 3-4 and his ultimate success will be tied to what RS and O'Brien do to surround him with the right talent....like the Vikings did for CK.
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Case was 2-8 here, 7-7 for the Rams. He wouldn't be playing right now if Bradford was healthy and you know this. So why are we even bringing up Case around here again. I mean let's be real, behind this dreadful line and BOB questionable play calling; do you really think Case would be successful here?

Watson is 3-4 because of coaching blunders and a secondary with the lowest IQ in football. We all know we should've won against both the Patriots and Seahawks.
 
Mr. White said:
It also doesn't hurt that Keenum is playing behind the best OL in the league. His career would have been over if years ago if he was playing behind these turnstiles. In hindsight OB probably should have kept him over Savage.

I could see him getting into he MVP conversation next year if he keeps it up. For now, his status is "Cinderella story" IMO.
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Just remember the Vikings OL looked as bad as the Texans OL did last yr. The difference is that the Vikings chose to invest in their OL this offseason.

The Texans didn't and even with Keenum at QB they are successful. BTW, I thought Keenum could play in the NFL, but I never thought he could be this good. (Brees Good) The same reason I would pick Mayfield in the 1st rd. That guy can play.
 
steelbtexan said:
Just remember the Vikings OL looked as bad as the Texans OL did last yr. The difference is that the Vikings chose to invest in their OL this offseason.

The Texans didn't and even with Keenum at QB they are successful. BTW, I thought Keenum could play in the NFL, but I never thought he could be this good. (Brees Good) The same reason I would pick Mayfield in the 1st rd. That guy can play.
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Keenum is not Brees good.
 
Case is 8-2 ( not 10-2) because he have some freaking help on both sides of the ball. The Vikings are a well coached complete team. Again dude if Bradford wasn't injured, you wouldn't be bringing up Case damn Keenum.

And again if he was still a Texans QB it's a 50/50 chance he wouldn't be playing like he is right now.

He started off 0-8 as a Texans and ended at 2-8. He had his chances here and blew it.
 
steelbtexan said:
He has been this yr.

I would say he's been better than Brees this yr.

BTW, that wasn't the point of my post.
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You’re right. Internet foul on me to pick one comment and disagree when that’s not the point. I agree with your point. Invest in Oline and that makes QBs play better.

Which is the case for Keenum. I get 6 foot white guys throwing rainbows all look alike, but Brees has still thrown for more yards and has a higher completion rate. 800 more yards. 67 vs 71.

And it is ok for you to think he has been better. It’s an opinion. I just kindly disagree.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Case is 8-2 ( not 10-2) because he have some freaking help on both sides of the ball. The Vikings are a well coached complete team. Again dude if Bradford wasn't injured, you wouldn't be bringing up Case damn Keenum.

And again if he was still a Texans QB it's a 50/50 chance he wouldn't be playing like he is right now.

He started off 0-8 as a Texans and ended at 2-8. He had his chances here and blew it.
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The year he was here Kubiak was on his way out anyway. One thing for sure, he's looked better than Savage even when Keenum was a rookie here.
 
TexansBull said:
You’re right. Internet foul on me to pick one comment and disagree when that’s not the point. I agree with your point. Invest in Oline and that makes QBs play better.

Which is the case for Keenum. I get 6 foot white guys throwing rainbows all look alike, but Brees has still thrown for more yards and has a higher completion rate. 800 more yards. 67 vs 71.

And it is ok for you to think he has been better. It’s an opinion. I just kindly disagree.
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Not saying Keenum is better, I'm saying Keenum is having a better yr.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Case is 8-2 ( not 10-2) because he have some freaking help on both sides of the ball. The Vikings are a well coached complete team. Again dude if Bradford wasn't injured, you wouldn't be bringing up Case damn Keenum.

And again if he was still a Texans QB it's a 50/50 chance he wouldn't be playing like he is right now.

He started off 0-8 as a Texans and ended at 2-8. He had his chances here and blew it.
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Your opinion of his time here is pretty slanted...you failed to mention that the OL was iffy, Foster wasn't on the field, the defense wasn't holding leads and it seemed like Kubiak refused to make in-game adjustments. CK lit some teams up in the first half and then it became a different game in the second half.

Why is it that some fans of this board seem to think that the Texans QB's must be successful against the odds of having a complete team. Hell, Cleveland just fired their GM b/c the owner had lost faith in his ability to take advantage of the 5 picks in the first 2 rounds of the 2018 draft. The only person left to blame for this "incomplete team" mess is RS. If some of y'all think that Watson was good enough to rescue this "incomplete team", then you might be looked at...as delusional.

Watson has the potential to be an amazing "Franchise QB"....provided he has his "complete team" as well. Otherwise he could join a decent list of "Franchise Type Players" who have come to Houston only to see their opportunities squandered by a bumbling GM who has no idea on how to get all the puzzle pieces on the table put together at the same time...and sadly it's only one of those big 9 piece sets for children ages 3-7.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Case is 8-2 ( not 10-2) because he have some freaking help on both sides of the ball. The Vikings are a well coached complete team. Again dude if Bradford wasn't injured, you wouldn't be bringing up Case damn Keenum.

And again if he was still a Texans QB it's a 50/50 chance he wouldn't be playing like he is right now.

He started off 0-8 as a Texans and ended at 2-8. He had his chances here and blew it.
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With sub level talent and 2 HC's that didn't want him.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Your opinion of his time here is pretty slanted...you failed to mention that the OL was iffy, Foster wasn't on the field, the defense wasn't holding leads and it seemed like Kubiak refused to make in-game adjustments. CK lit some teams up in the first half and then it became a different game in the second half.

Why is it that some fans of this board seem to think that the Texans QB's must be successful against the odds of having a complete team. Hell, Cleveland just fired their GM b/c the owner had lost faith in his ability to take advantage of the 5 picks in the first 2 rounds of the 2018 draft. The only person left to blame for this "incomplete team" mess is RS. If some of y'all think that Watson was good enough to rescue this "incomplete team", then you might be looked at...as delusional.

Watson has the potential to be an amazing "Franchise QB"....provided he has his "complete team" as well. Otherwise he could join a decent list of "Franchise Type Players" who have come to Houston only to see their opportunities squandered by a bumbling GM who has no idea on how to get all the puzzle pieces on the table put together at the same time...and sadly it's only one of those big 9 piece sets for children ages 3-7.
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The bottom line at the end of the day is Keenum didn't work out here. You can dress it up as pretty as you like, his time here wasn't good.
 
Texansballer74 said:
He started off 0-8 as a Texans and ended at 2-8. He had his chances here and blew it.
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Case did not "blow" his chance here. He was an undrafted, 3rd stringer who had 8 TD, 1 INT, 7.8 Y/A and a 99 passer rating in his 1st 4 games.

He was just in a bad situation here. Thems the breaks. But unlike guys like say VY, Case is a guy who kept his nose to the grind, studied, played and learned the game of NFL QB. I don't know if he'll continue having seasons like he's having this year, but at the very least, he'll be a top #2 in this league for the next decade or so, and that's a pretty damn good career.

QBs have to learn to play this game, and those high draft picks get a lot more opportunities to do so simply because of where they're drafted. If Drew Bledsoe doesn't get hurt, Tom Brady could have had a very different career, never getting the opportunities he did once they were forced to use him. Keenum was never even expected to suit up. Then all of a sudden, he gets thrown into the fire on a team that was circling the drain fast. The next year there's a coaching change and the talent evaluators that be decided on Savage. So no, he didn't get much of a chance here.

And when they do bring him back, he wins 2 games. BTW, that's the same number of wins Savage has has a starter. 2. You want to talk about somebody who's been given every chance there is...that's a guy who's blowing it. Not Case.
 
PapaL said:
Are people still arguing over a 30 year old third string QB?
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I guess so and I suppose he was brought up as some kind of indictment against O'Brien. Since it is the fire O'Brien thread.

We all should remember what he was here when he had pressure. He would scamper 15-20 yards behind the LOS and take a huge sack. Imagine Case behind this awful line.
 
Texansballer74 said:
He is not having a better year.

Drew: 3569 yards_ 71%Comp _19-6_ 104.2Rating_57.9QBR
Case: 2703 yards_67%Comp_16-5_98.6Rating_77.2 QBR

Now how is that having a better year again sir?
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Case is making big throws to win games, like against the Rams and even in a game where he wasn't as good last week against the Falcons. Remind me what did Brees do against the Falcons on Wednesday?
 
Texansphan said:
Doesn't make sense - if you're going to blame him for the bad, then you have to give credit for the good. He was smart enough to give Watson the game he needed to play to win.
I think it is insanity to get rid of a winning coach after one bad severely injury riddled season.
My $0.02c worth.
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No I don't.

Watson was a winner before he got here. Just ask Nick Saban. It wasn't a superior coaching job by O'Brien that make us the talk of the NFL when Watson was playing. It was Watson's play and feel for the game.

However it was two suspect coaching decisions by O'Brien that cost the Texans two games that Watson had put us in position to win.
 
ObsiWan said:
It was two suspect coaching decisions by O'Brien that cost the Texans two games that Watson had put us in position to win.
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Don’t expect for McNair or Rick to realize that, however. I was there for both games and they were damn near identical. I told my wife, “it’s over...we lost” and she looked at the board confused because we were wining, but then BOOM! She asked me why we always lose exciting games in the final 2 minutes when we’re winning, so I just told her that O’Brien is an idiot.

Couldn’t find a better explanation.
 
O'Brien is in his 4th year as the Texans HC...unfortunately, he's 4 for 4 in seasons that he's made either time management or critical mistakes that cost the team victories. That's a pattern of consistency that should have been corrected after season 1. I though having Crennel in the booth for this season was supposed to alleviate this stumbling block...apparently that hasn't worked either.
 
Having the OC position forced on BOB is part of the issue. Not having balls in crunch time is why I want BOB gone.

Time to fully clean house and wash the stench out of this org.
 
TxnsJuggernaut said:
I have had my issues with BO'b but this season more than any I feel he has bought himself another season to lead our team.
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I'm all about continuity. I'd much rather he figures things out & be the next great HC of the NFL. My comments were more to my belief that he needs to stop playing OC & start being a head coach.

Belichick doesn't run the offense or the defense. His influence is definitely imprinted on both sides of the ball. Because he's a HC. Same thing with Jimmy Johnson, great HC, team builder. On the field & the sideline.
 
ObsiWan said:
No I don't.

Watson was a winner before he got here. Just ask Nick Saban. It wasn't a superior coaching job by O'Brien that make us the talk of the NFL when Watson was playing. It was Watson's play and feel for the game.

However it was two suspect coaching decisions by O'Brien that cost the Texans two games that Watson had put us in position to win.
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You seem to be forgetting that O'Brien changed his offense from what we were used to seeing and that is because he recognised that Watson had abilities in certain aspects of the game.
Also don't forget it was only 4 years ago O'Brien was coaching college football.
Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
 
thunderkyss said:
I'm all about continuity. I'd much rather he figures things out & be the next great HC of the NFL. My comments were more to my belief that he needs to stop playing OC & start being a head coach.

Belichick doesn't run the offense or the defense. His influence is definitely imprinted on both sides of the ball. Because he's a HC. Same thing with Jimmy Johnson, great HC, team builder. On the field & the sideline.
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Then I agree with you. However I was inspired by BO'b's early work with DW. If a new OC takes place I would like to see BO'b have at least a little say in the offense going forward. He seems to have a good feel for working with a Qb of DW's mobility and athleticism.
 
Not a big fan of OB but where the hell is the FIRE RICK SOAP. Oh yeah OB came up with that great fricking trade of we give our 2nd draft choice and get rid of Brock. Cut his ass and no Brock but guess what you have you 2nd round draft choice. This team lacks DEPTH
 
TxnsJuggernaut said:
I have had my issues with BO'b but this season more than any I feel he has bought himself another season to lead our team.

With a mostly healthy team I am curious as to what this season would have been like. Also there is no way I feel next season will be a mirror of this season if our team is mostly healthy and BO'b is still the head coach. BO'b piqued my interest in what he could do for a whole season calling the offense with our young upstart Qb.

Most of our coaches deserve another shot at coaching our team imo.
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Why? The losses we had when Watson was starting were clearly OB's fault. He's just not that good of a coach.
 
Texansphan said:
You seem to be forgetting that O'Brien changed his offense from what we were used to seeing and that is because he recognised that Watson had abilities in certain aspects of the game.
Also don't forget it was only 4 years ago O'Brien was coaching college football.
Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
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Really? Seems to me it was the same damn offense, just run by a Houdini like QB that made OB and even this o-line look good. OB didn't change ****.
 
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