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AJ, possible concussion.

thunderkyss said:
Made absolutely no sense the ref standing right there didn't flag him for the hit to the head of a defenseless receiver, then says it's incomplete. HE WAS STANDING RIGHT THERE!!!
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I began to notice after that play that that particular referee was letting Tennessee get away with holding and pass interference on a number of occasions.

If I remember correctly, there was one play where the Tennessee defender didn't turn around to play the incoming ball AND interfered with Hopkins' attempt at catching the pass.

I was beginning to wonder if that guy was even trying to do his job for his seemingly don't-give-a-damned attitude in general.
 
LikeMike said:
Alright, I just rewatched it - to me it looks like Pollards shoulder hits Andre`s shoulder - maybe a little bit of the side of his helmet (though it doesn`t look like it). This is a football hit, this is not a cheapshot. Maybe it is a penalty in todays NFL (I don`t think it is and no flag was thrown) but it was simply a football hit trying to punch the ball out. KJs hit was way worse than that - and that cheap shot on Watt was way worse than that.

Andre got injured on that play, and that sucks, but it wasn`t a dirty play.
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You can't launch yourself, Pollard launched himself. In general I thought it was a clean hit, my problem was running around and celebrating a hurt player.
 
Showtime100 said:
I began to notice after that play that that particular referee was letting Tennessee get away with holding and pass interference on a number of occasions.

If I remember correctly, there was one play where the Tennessee defender didn't turn around to play the incoming ball AND interfered with Hopkins' attempt at catching the pass.

I was beginning to wonder if that guy was even trying to do his job for his seemingly don't-give-a-damned attitude in general.
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i remember the jean one with the same ref, The CB has his hands all over jean and he couldnt even get his hands up to catch the ball.
 
Showtime100 said:
I began to notice after that play that that particular referee was letting Tennessee get away with holding and pass interference on a number of occasions.
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I think they consistently were not calling pass interference. The Titans were really bad about it, like they got a memo & we didn't (as far off as our guys were playing). On the one pass thrown to LeStar, he was getting mugged.
 
silvrhand said:
...my problem was running around and celebrating a hurt player.
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Yeah, I really didn't like that either. If it were JAG, it wouldn't have bothered me. But this was Pollard, he & Aj were teammates. I generally like Pollard. I love defensive players that "scare" offensive players.

But... have some decency. The most high-character guy this league has seen in a long time is laying on the ground imobile because you just hit him in the head.

This guy who says he won't let his kid play football.
 
I love big hits. I love when Pollard used to dish them out FOR the Texans.

However...

Shots to the head haven't been acceptable in the NFL for some time. Pollard's forarm to AJ's head will most certainly get a fine.
 
silvrhand said:
You can't launch yourself, Pollard launched himself. In general I thought it was a clean hit, my problem was running around and celebrating a hurt player.
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That was a DIK move on his part and given that he KNOWS the guy he got the cheap shot on. I think next time the Texans PLAY the Titans our DBs shoudl respond in spades but without the "celebration" dance.
 
Tailgate said:
No big deal. Its football. AJ will be back and be AJ again soon enough.
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Screw it. Take an elephant's memory into the next game and remember what the Code of Hammurabi says about acts of vengeance:

"An eye for an eye, but if you were to cost a nobleman his eye you forfeit BOTH of yours."
Since Andre in my opinion qualifies as a "nobleman" ...blind the muff-huggas next time they meet. Lay out ONE of ours...two of YOURS get laid out. If the other guy shows up to a fist fight with a knife you bring a gun. Screw it if the Saints old DC wants to bring his unique brand of Defense to the AFC I say give it back and shove it so far up his @$$ he looks like the angel atop a Christmas tree.
 
Playoffs said:
Not yet. Schefter is calling it a concussion, but no confirmation from team yet. I'd have to assume it is, but a bit baffled that he jogged into the locker room.
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Then there's the Chronicle, who also have called it a concussion, but went on to add this little bit of info. (no idea where they're claiming to get it from)
Johnson, who managed to hold on to the ball for a key 21-yard gain, was unavailable for comment postgame and underwent protocol tests. He’s expected to be in the lineup when the Texans play at Baltimore next Sunday.
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Andre Johnson suffers concussion after vicious blow to head
 
It was a concussion, he's in the mandatory protocol.

Rode the bike today.

Gary expects it go quickly based on talking to AJ, but...
 
silvrhand said:
You can't launch yourself, Pollard launched himself. In general I thought it was a clean hit, my problem was running around and celebrating a hurt player.
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thunderkyss said:
Yeah, I really didn't like that either. If it were JAG, it wouldn't have bothered me. But this was Pollard, he & Aj were teammates. I generally like Pollard. I love defensive players that "scare" offensive players.

But... have some decency. The most high-character guy this league has seen in a long time is laying on the ground imobile because you just hit him in the head.

This guy who says he won't let his kid play football.
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Dread-Head said:
That was a DIK move on his part and given that he KNOWS the guy he got the cheap shot on. I think next time the Texans PLAY the Titans our DBs shoudl respond in spades but without the "celebration" dance.
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Let's seeeeee... the Titans' brand new, shiny, <ahem> "Senior Defensive Assistant" is none other than Greg "BountyGate" Williams...

So, given Williams' influence and Pollard's predisposition for wanting to make big hits, are you reeeally surprised the Titans are head-hunting?

My only question is:
How much did Pollard collect for the bounty on A.J.
:thinking:
 
ObsiWan said:
Let's seeeeee... the Titans' brand new, shiny, <ahem> "Senior Defensive Assistant" is none other than Greg "BountyGate" Williams...

So, given Williams' influence and Pollard's predisposition for wanting to make big hits, are you reeeally surprised the Titans are head-hunting?

My only question is:
How much did Pollard collect for the bounty on A.J.
:thinking:
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No offense, but I'd call Jackson's hit on Wright a hell of a lot worse than Pollards hit - a much clearer headshot on a defenseless WR, and I am no fan of either Williams or Pollard.
 
From PFT.com:

“I’ve never seen a more blatant blow to the head,” Texans tight end Owen Daniels told the Houston Chronicle. “A big miss by the officials, especially for a guy like Andre. I know you have to protect every player, especially someone like him.”

Pollard acknowledged after the game that he might get fined for the hit, but he said he thinks defensive players are in a tough position with the NFL’s rules.

“It’s hard for us as defensive players to pick our target, you know, so going high or going low, we ain’t right.” Pollard said. “It was a no call but we will see what the front office has to say.”

Although Pollard led with his shoulder, not his helmet, on the hit, he did strike Johnson in the helmet at a time when Johnson was in a defenseless posture. That likely means Pollard will get his paycheck docked by the league office.
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toronto said:
No offense, but I'd call Jackson's hit on Wright a hell of a lot worse than Pollards hit - a much clearer headshot on a defenseless WR, and I am no fan of either Williams or Pollard.
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Yeah Jackson's hit was very egregious, but it was flagged and I assume he will be fined. I expect the same for pollard though, especially with his reputation.
 
I didn't think his hit was over aggressive, sure he will get fined for launching, but I think the new rules are stupid anyway. Andre didn't get hurt from the hit anyway, his head bounced HARD off the turf and instantly knocked him out for a few seconds. Watch after his head hit the ground, he instantly locks up, after the ball is knocked out he starts to move a little again.

Fined yes
Over aggressive, no
 
ObsiWan said:
Let's seeeeee... the Titans' brand new, shiny, <ahem> "Senior Defensive Assistant" is none other than Greg "BountyGate" Williams...

So, given Williams' influence and Pollard's predisposition for wanting to make big hits, are you reeeally surprised the Titans are head-hunting?

My only question is:
How much did Pollard collect for the bounty on A.J.
:thinking:
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I don't have a problem with the head-hunting. Like I said if we're talking about Kj "that's football"

But even Dj had the decency, the humanity to check on the player he just hurt. Dj is a rookie & he didn't know Keller from Adam. Pollard knows Aj & Aj wasn't moving. No class.
 
Rey said:
It was a good hit and pollard was celebrating what he thought was an incomplete pass.
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Come on rey, we agree upon a lot, but to lead towards the head like that on a player already headed out of bounds is a BS hit, it was a cheap shot, and you dont celebrate while ur former team mate is still laying on the ground hurt. Especially when its a guy like AJ. **** Pollard.
 
Instead of trying to take his head off, it would have been more efficient to push Aj out of bounds. He doesn't get his feet inbounds, it doesn't matter if he has control of the ball.
 
OK i need to apply for the texans medical staff.

All i need is a bucket of dirt, and all these guys will be much better. Let me get ahold of AJ and you can ask him how he fells after i

"Rub some dirt on it"
 
EllisUnit said:
OK i need to apply for the texans medical staff.

All i need is a bucket of dirt, and all these guys will be much better. Let me get ahold of AJ and you can ask him how he fells after i

"Rub some dirt on it"
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I think they've already been trying that bucket approach, but they're apparently accidentally using the wrong composition instead............rather a bucket of s#*t.:texflag:
 
amazing80 said:
I didn't think his hit was over aggressive, sure he will get fined for launching, but I think the new rules are stupid anyway. Andre didn't get hurt from the hit anyway, his head bounced HARD off the turf and instantly knocked him out for a few seconds. Watch after his head hit the ground, he instantly locks up, after the ball is knocked out he starts to move a little again.

Fined yes
Over aggressive, no
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Agreed, I have no problem with the hit, as I think the NFL is going overboard on the rule changes, and not allowing defenses to be physically aggressive in the secondary. It's almost like you have to wait for them to catch, tuck the ball, and then get ready for a hit.

Now defensive players have to judge where to hit, who they can hit.. Anyone remember Manning getting run over by the RB.. RB put his head down but Manning can't really now or didn't realize he could.

The only problem I had was Pollard celebrating when he knew AJ was down, not cool.
 
EllisUnit said:
Come on rey, we agree upon a lot, but to lead towards the head like that on a player already headed out of bounds is a BS hit, it was a cheap shot, and you dont celebrate while ur former team mate is still laying on the ground hurt. Especially when its a guy like AJ. **** Pollard.
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I don't agree with a single thing you're saying.

Pollard led with the shoulder. He hit aj on the way down. His teammate was already tackling aj, should pollard have hit his teammate instead? It was a good hit. And who cares that he was on the sideline? Because there is no more force out that's even more reason to hit a guy making a catch near the sideline.

And I don't believe pollard was celebrating aj being hurt. It was a big moment in the game, he just made a big hit that he thought caused an incompletion.

Football is physical. Players are emotional.

Pollard shouldn't be fined for that hit. If he is, it'd be a shame.
 
thunderkyss said:
Instead of trying to take his head off, it would have been more efficient to push Aj out of bounds. He doesn't get his feet inbounds, it doesn't matter if he has control of the ball.
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So you want a guy to run full speed towards AJ's big ass and slow down to "push him"?

What game are we playing? Is this football or what? You do know part of hitting a guy hard is trying to jar the ball loose? Kind of hard to do that with a mere push.

If one of our DB's made the same hit on a WR I'd be cheering that. If a DB did to AJ what Kareem did to Wright I'd be waiting for the fine.
 
Rey said:
It was a good hit.
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He hit him in the head.... not a good hit.

Rey said:
And who cares that he was on the sideline? Because there is no more force out that's even more reason to hit a guy making a catch near the sideline.
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Push him out of bounds, you don't have to hit him trying to separate the ball from the player, just push him out.

Rey said:
And I don't believe pollard was celebrating aj being hurt. It was a big moment in the game, he just made a big hit that he thought caused an incompletion.

Football is physical. Players are emotional.
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Aj wasn't moving. Something at sometime should have clicked.

Rey said:
Pollard shouldn't be fined for that hit. If he is, it'd be a shame.
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That is exactly the kind of hit a defensive player should be fined for. Aj has a concussion because he was hit in the head as a defenseless receiver.
 
Rey said:
So you want a guy to run full speed towards AJ's big ass and slow down to "push him"?

What game are we playing? Is this football or what? You do know part of hitting a guy hard is trying to jar the ball loose? Kind of hard to do that with a mere push.
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This is football, no such thing as a mere push. The objective should have been to hit him low, force him out of bounds... & by low I mean lower than the head. Hitting him in the head isn't going to force him out of bounds.

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It would have probably done what Pollard intended if he put his shoulder on the ball. Either knock the ball out, or keep Andre's second foot from coming down.
 
It easy to arm chair the hit after the fact. I also do not have a problem with the hit. How many DBs has AJ trucked in his career?
 
Is this football or tiddlywinks? Nothing wrong with Pollard's hit. The object is to separate the football from the WR. That appears to be what he was trying to do.

By the letter of the newer rules, it's illegal, but then again they have hamstrung the defense to the point where the average QB can put up 400 yards now. Defenses are now literally "defenseless". If they can no longer play the game in the way it was designed to be played - then might as well fold tent and turn reliant into a year round rodeo arena.
 
thunderkyss said:
It would have probably done what Pollard intended if he put his shoulder on the ball. Either knock the ball out, or keep Andre's second foot from coming down.
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When pollard initially went for the hit, his teammate was already there.

I guess you want him to tackle his teammate instead of the guy with the ball trying to make the catch.

Andre got hit hard. I understand all of you guys want to kiss his boo boo, but there was nothing wrong with that hit.
 
76Texan said:
Just get rid of the freaking rule then.
That's all I ask.
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Andre Johnson has a concussion.

These rules are in place so that guys don't get concussions.

Don't hit him in the head, that's all I'm saying. If you don't like the rule, if you "can't play like that" don't play.

I'm not calling him dirty. I'm not calling Kj dirty. I'm calling it stup1d & against the rules.

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IF Pollard puts his shoulder on the ball, the hit is just as violent... it's still football. It's not about wussifying the game, it's about protecting the players.
 
76Texan said:
Just because there wasn't a flag doesn't make it legal.
You might as well not have a rule if you don't enforce it.
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The call on the field was a LEGAL hit. What we feel and MIGHT be reviewed doesn't matter. The ref that was standing right there called it legal. We can "bellyache" and moan all we want but he didn't get flagged for an illegal hit.

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Oh but it's his former teammate. It's Andre Johnson, he's a nice guy. Who gives a sh!t? He's the opponent, he has the ball, make a play. To those that say oh he should have done this or he should have done that - what a crock of crap. Instincts are to hit the guy and prevent him from scoring. Not to try and persuade the guy to step out of bounds at the 3 yard line.

I wish all former Texans the best of luck. The week we play them, I hope we light their asses up and make them wish they had never left.
 
AJ will be fine not his 1st rodeo. Would like someone to ask him in this situation, when he knows & braces for contact, how does he prepare his body for impact? In a split second what races through his mind, maintaining possession, protecting his body what? All this talk of concussion prevention yet no information how to protect your body in what are inevitable lock-out situations like this?
 
PapaL said:
The call on the field was a LEGAL hit. What we feel and MIGHT be reviewed doesn't matter. The ref that was standing right there called it legal. We can "bellyache" and moan all we want but he didn't get flagged for an illegal hit.
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This argument would hold more water if they didn't overturn his call, that that was an incomplete pass. He was standing right there & he called it an incompletion.

It was challenged, it was overturned, proving the guy wasn't as qualified as we were led to believe.

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Oh but it's his former teammate. It's Andre Johnson, he's a nice guy. Who gives a sh!t? He's the opponent, he has the ball, make a play. To those that say oh he should have done this or he should have done that - what a crock of crap. Instincts are to hit the guy and prevent him from scoring. Not to try and persuade the guy to step out of bounds at the 3 yard line.
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If he's going to hit him, hit him. But do so within the rules. I'm not mad at Pollard for doing what he did, like I said I'm not calling him dirty, I'm not calling the play dirty. I am saying it was an illegal hit.

As far as being teammates.... that's just about how he was acting after the hit. You wanna celebrate a big play... fine. You wanna pump your team up & inspire them... great.

But when you see a guy not moving... with trainers all around him.... I mean, they stopped play for a reason. You weren't going up to the LOS for a reason. That's all I'm saying. At some point you should stop the hoop'n & holler'n & think about your fellow gladiator & show him some respect.

They teach that in pony league... all the players take a knee.
 
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