Would you consider a move for him next year?
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Aj mccarron?
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amazing80
Hall of Fame
I knew this was coming lol. At this point, every option has to be considered.
That's what happens when you have Hoyer as your starter.
Cincinnati has him for two more years on the cheap. No reason at all for them to get rid of him for next season.
PHILLYTEXANFAN
Saddle Up Partner
Lol, In an odd turn I predict Dalton will be moved
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
Oh come on just because he looks decent tonight don't mean the Texans need him.
With Dalton locked up and no real significant injury history if I'm Cincy and I see a chance to turn my backup QB into a 2nd or 3rd round pick I jump on that every day and twice on draft day.
I ask that because I don't think there is a real "franchise" qb coming out that we will have a shot to get. I have liked what I've seen from Mccarron, not that I think he can be an all pro but if there is a chance to get a stud RB and guy with some potential I'd rather do that this year.
I ask that because I don't think there is a real "franchise" qb coming out that we will have a shot to get. I have liked what I've seen from Mccarron, not that I think he can be an all pro but if there is a chance to get a stud RB and guy with some potential I'd rather do that this year.
You see the way playoff spots and division titles have come down to backup QB's matched against one another week after week due to injuries and you'd think it wise to send away what looks to be a completely game ready QB who has become comfortable in your system that you have dirt cheap for a roll of the dice on a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick?
Ok, I guess.
Why? OB could have had him if he wanted. O'Brien obviously thinks Savage is better.
bah007
Hall of Fame
What exactly has McCarron done to warrant such consideration?
Admittedly, I don't hate what he's done so far. But he hasn't been anything close to spectacular.
Osweiler was clearly the better QB on the field tonight. The Bengals stayed in the game with solid defense and by controlling the clock with the running game.
The Bengals are loaded on offense with skill players and yet McCarron has been nothing more than a low level game manager up to this point. That's not to say he can't improve, but this thread seems like a knee-jerk reaction to a very average QB.
Admittedly, I don't hate what he's done so far. But he hasn't been anything close to spectacular.
Osweiler was clearly the better QB on the field tonight. The Bengals stayed in the game with solid defense and by controlling the clock with the running game.
The Bengals are loaded on offense with skill players and yet McCarron has been nothing more than a low level game manager up to this point. That's not to say he can't improve, but this thread seems like a knee-jerk reaction to a very average QB.
As an aside. McCarron is the guy I'd have taken in that draft. 2nd round, third round... 1-1 even.
But... I don't think he's going to be a franchise guy. Solid starter I think. Marginal improvement over Dalton/Tannehill.
You don't trade for a guy like that. I know we're losing patience to see what we've got in Tom Savage.
I know we're getting desperate here. But franchise QBs don't grow on trees. You've got to wait till there's one & be willing to give up what you need to give up to get him. IF that's your whole draft, it's your whole draft.
But... I don't think he's going to be a franchise guy. Solid starter I think. Marginal improvement over Dalton/Tannehill.
You don't trade for a guy like that. I know we're losing patience to see what we've got in Tom Savage.
I know we're getting desperate here. But franchise QBs don't grow on trees. You've got to wait till there's one & be willing to give up what you need to give up to get him. IF that's your whole draft, it's your whole draft.
Exactly. We've got two guys here that we should be damn proud of.
Well, one of them is in Baltimore & the other sucks. But we should be damn proud of them regardless.
Would have been nice for some of that talent to step up there in the 4th..... heck, even in OT, the way OD, Anderson, & Demarius Thomas did for the Broncos.
Who made plays in the second half other than McCarron?
I agree with you. Doesn't make sense to trade for him & these threads are getting down right pathetic. But Game manager?
Game manager?
I cant ever remember the last time that this many backup qbs were playing significant time. Dalton broke his thumb, it isnt like he has a history of injuries and if I have a chance to turn a guy I hope never plays into a potental starter I do it every day. I'd even rather add a nickel corner or a swing tackle or another pass rushet.
I think they are talking about backups like they ate key pieces and its a little misleading. The broncos have been grooming brock to start so hes not a typical backup. Throw in the fact that the only reason that the AFC south backups are figuring into the conversation is because the division was so bad.
It would be different if I thought he was going to play significant minutes or if I hadn't locked up Dalton.
I only asked about mccarron because yourre looking for a guy that can make some plays. What really impressed me was what he was able to do in a huge game against a top tier defense. Other than the last play, which I dont know who that was on, I thought he looked real good. Maybe its an overreaction but given the pressure and the quality of the defense I thought he was very impressive. Depending on how the draft shakes out and where we wind up I'd consider him. Obviously if a guy falls in your lap or you think there's a real answer I think you go with that guy.
Mike
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infantrycak
Hall of Fame
This is a joke right? Dalton is a 28 yr old QB in an era 35+ is not unusual. AJ is a 5th rd backup.
texan279
Hall of Fame
Didn't they just pay Dalton?
I think they took a flyer on AJ, for a situation just like this. Dalton has proven to be good, this year his numbers look really good. But the word special has never come to mind when describing him.
AJ is getting his shot & they're hoping he'll make it a difficult decision when Dalton gets healthy.
While he hasn't had any major fubars, he hasn't really looked "special" either. Just more of the same. Good, not great.
I think they'll switch back to Dalton & not think twice. AJ will just have to keep doing what he's doing & hope for an opportunity to compete for a starting gig on his next contract.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
They are hoping no such thing. While of course they want AJ to play well Dalton is their starter - and is signed thru 2020.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
Special can be used to describe such a variety of people in greatly disparate circumstances, I'm not sure what you're getting at.
bah007
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Those guys made plays because Osweiler was able to get them the ball.
McCarron couldn't get the ball out. He had plenty of time to throw and took multiple sacks and was forced to throw the ball away multiple times. He had Sanu and Kroft open multiple times and wasn't able to get the ball to them.
I'm not shouldering him with the loss. This is what he's always been and what he's likely to be unless he improves (which he could).
He leans on a strong defense and running game, just like in college. Put the game in his hands and he's not the guy who can go win it for you.
The Bengals got the lead by running the ball, controlling the clock, and keeping Denver's offense off the field. In the second half they only ran the ball 12 times. Denver also switched from zone to man and started blitzing aggressively. McCarron couldn't make them pay.
They scored their only TDs on the back of the running game. When they went away from that and tried to lean on the QB the offense sputtered.
Well, for someone to say that you weren't shouldering him with the loss, you sure took great pains to show that you were with this "put the game in his hands and he's not the guy who can go win it for you" nonsense.
If this is the label you want to give him, then why in the hell would want to give up draft picks to get him?
bah007
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I wouldn't. I think he maxes out as an average QB at best. And that's not worth trading for.
I don't blame McCarron for the loss. His job should be to control the flow of the game, minimize mistakes, and make the most of the opportunities he does get. That's what a game manager does.
He did that in the first half and the Bengals built up a lead. In the second half they went away from their gameplan and put more responsibility on him. The offense stalled, Denver came back, and when they needed McCarron to deliver he couldn't.
Texecutioner
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Some pretty good plays being made in only his 2nd game in a playoff game atmosphere. I like what I saw of him. He throws a pretty nice deep ball when he needs to, and made some big throws on 3rd down. He hasn't worked with first team guys all year round to have the chemistry either. And to be fair he was playing the Broncos who have the best D in the NFL. What QB has worked them over all season really?
I think he should be looked at. Mainly due to the what is out there is pretty thin. I don't like the prospects in the draft, and the best guy out there to me is Garropollo from the Patriots. I think McCarron may have some potential possibly though.
PHILLYTEXANFAN
Saddle Up Partner
I think we need a " we should trade for any QB who completed an NFL pass this year not named Hoyer" thread
We saw different games then.
Aj was slinging it & neither of his running backs were doing squat. That big run by Anderson for Denver's first TD... that's the kind of stuff I'm talking about, the Bengals didn't get that from their run game.
Remember that play where Aj Green stopped running halfway through his route & Aj put it on the money in the end zone. Had Green not stopped, that gives the Bengals the lead again.
& it's interesting that you see something in Osweiler, when he's in the same situation. McCarron's a game manager, Osweiler is a stud.
Demaryius Thomas catches a 10 yard pass, bounces off 7 defenders... did he score on that one? I think he did.
Don't get me wrong, we agree on the main topic of discussion here; trading for McCarron doesn't make sense for us. But that was the #1 defense in the NFL he played against & his team didn't help. Not the way the Broncos helped Osweiler.
Mr teX
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Basically......these threads are getting ridiculous..
TexansSeminole
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I wouldn't trade a 2nd or 3rd for him and I wouldn't trade him if I were the Bengals. He's been an effective enough backup in their system and has room to grow; QBs are hard enough to come by.
bah007
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I think you're being overprotective of your guy. Maybe you were watching the game you wanted to see instead of the one that was being played. I didn't even mean to criticize McCarron. I was only commenting on how silly the thought process behind this idea was and then giving my reason for why I think so. Seems we agree on the result, just not the reasoning. And I haven't called Osweiler a stud either, just that he was the better QB that day.
McCarron was never "slinging it". Cincinnati came out running the ball. They stayed ahead of the chains, which lets McCarron take advantage of play action opportunities and keeps them out of situations where the defense knows that they have to throw.
Here's the game that I was watching:
First Half: 52% Run, 205 Yards, 5.3 Yards Per Play, Score 14-3
Second Half/OT: 41% Run, 89 Yards, 2.8 Yards Per Play, Score 3-17
On the play that you're talking about, Green got behind the coverage and McCarron didn't deliver the ball on time. He was so late actually, that Green slowed down to turn and try to find the QB (which WRs are supposed to do on broken plays, to decide if they should continue deep or break back to the QB). Then McCarron finally gets the ball out and Green has to try to run it down. That's not on the WR.
If Cincinnati doesn't change their gameplan at halftime I think they squeak out a win. McCarron was 16/23 for 124 yards and a TD while Cincinnati was leading. Not exactly slinging it all over the yard, but he didn't make mistakes and he kept the chains moving. Once they let Denver take the lead he finished 6/12 for 76 yards while taking 3 sacks and losing a fumble.
That's where my game manager comment came from. I didn't mean it as an insult. I just don't see McCarron as a guy who is going to put his team on his back to win a game. He needs to be carried by a strong defense and an effective run game.
bah007
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Like I mentioned in my initial post, I don't hate what McCarron has done so far. I just don't think he's done anything at all to justify even the thought of trading something for him. I acknowledge that he could improve as he gets more reps. All I'm saying is that this idea being thrown out there already is premature.
CloakNNNdagger
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Well, at least some good news for McCarron..........his wrist is not fractured......it is sprained, and he is expected to play Sunday since it is his non-throwing wrist.
paycheck71
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Heard on the radio McCarron won some sort of grievance against the Bengals and is now a free agent.
infantrycak
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They listed him as a non-football injury his rookie year and weren't counting it to become UFA. He won that he was improperly listed and so is UFA.
CloakNNNdagger
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McCarron will be paid beaucoup dollars by someone this season. The Texans are not going to be a player.
CloakNNNdagger
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This article demonstrates how some team head physicians/teams have some very questionable player medical evaluation methods. In this case, the team physician admitted that no medical examination was performed prior to McCarron being deemed appropriate for the NFI designation. It's amazing that there was no adverse action taken against the team and their physician, other than McCarron being able to enter UFA.
https://www.cincyjungle.com/2018/2/16/17019730/bengals-improperly-used-nfi-list-per-arbitrator