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An Aggie Yell Leader incited the crowd at the Arneson River Theatre with comments about Penn State's head coach.
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That said, some people will always want to get on their pedestals and make more out of this than what it deserves. Paterno had the right attitude about it. Something to the effect of "whatever ... some young guy trying [very unsuccessfully] to be funny." Move on and play the game.
see post 3 in this thread.
So you are all saying that it was in good taste and that being reactive in dismissing kids is the correct action?
No pedestal here, only logic in asking to not put kids in a position to fail while executing tradition. This blind Aggie Altruism used as a defensive countermesure makes it difficult for folks to warm up to a large part of Aggie nation.
Bonfire, swords, goalposts and this attempt at humor shows that some front end training, under adult supervision, needs to be addressed. Heck maybe training the trainers would be helpful as well.
I wasn't offended by anything they said, I was more offended by their flaunting their lifestyle. If you want to be gay that is fine, but let's not demonstrate manlove in public like that. Things like that are actually disturbing to most straight males.
This coming from a t-sip. Oh the irony...
Say what you want but in Austin you have to walk into a place like Oilcan Harry's on 4th to see something like that.
I think everybody has to take things with a grain of salt," Paterno said. "Some young guy went up there, trying to be funny. Maybe he's accurate, I don't know."
"I honestly didn't hear it, and I don't particularly care about it. Sticks and stones will break your bones but names will never hurt you."
Paterno's response:
Although the original comments did not sit well with me, I think if the person that it was intended for (Paterno) is not offended then everyone else should back off...
Kev,
So you KNOW where Oilcan Harry's is, eh? (j/k)
Rick
My 2 favorite pubs in Austin are right across the street (Fado's and Gingerman)..
I'll say this; JoePa is a class act all the way around. I really like that he made his team clean up the stadium after the problems they had in the off season.Paterno's response:
I think everybody has to take things with a grain of salt," Paterno said. "Some young guy went up there, trying to be funny. Maybe he's accurate, I don't know."
"I honestly didn't hear it, and I don't particularly care about it. Sticks and stones will break your bones but names will never hurt you."
Further, no amount of training would have helped the Yell Leader. You can't train away youth and inexperience.
Hagar '96
Further, no amount of training would have helped the Yell Leader. You can't train away youth and inexperience.
So, if you can't train away youth and inexperience, then I don't understand your point. Do away with the traditions? That's part of what makes A&M great.That is my point. Have a training for any club or tradition so this all goes back to youthful exuberance and does not fall on the school.
Goalposts. You will need to take that up with the Tech fans, since they were the ones to shove their own goalpost into our fan section. As I recall, several folks were injured and a few hospitalized. I would challenge anyone to come forward with a similar example of how Aggies treat visitors to College Station. It simply would not abide. Aggies would not tolerate it.
Let's not make this one incident, by an overzealous young man who happens to be in the public eye and who most certainly was in the wrong, into something it is absolutely not: an indication of some systemic behavioral problem in Aggieland.
All the best,
Rick
c/o 1990
When Texas A&M University released its 2002 football media guide, on page 226 of the guide, there was an excerpt regarding the Nov. 3 goal post incident between the Aggies and the Red Raiders.
Following a 12-0 victory against the Aggies, a group of Texas Tech fans stormed the field, tore down a goal post and attempted to push the goal post into the section of the crowd where some of the A&M fans were sitting, prompting several fights.
The excerpt in the media guide originally ran in The 12th Man magazine, an alumni magazine whose primary readers are A&M donors and former students.
In the excerpt, entitled "Worst Atmosphere," Tech fans were described as "even uglier than the barren stretch dirt some West Texans call a city."
Regarding the tearing down of the goal post, it stated, "that's nothing new for the envious students of the South Plains." It also went on to describe Raiders as "classless clowns." The excerpt concluded with a statement declaring "no school in America better deserves Bobby Knight than Texas Tech."
Yeah, nothing screams class like degrading a university, it's fans, and the city it resides in in your own media guide.
http://media.www.dailytoreador.com/....With.Aggie.Media.Guide.Remarks-1274392.shtml
Sorry Aggies, but to act like this is an isolated incident would be wrong.
PS Why was there no mention of the 2 Aggies getting arrested for burglary earlier this month? We all know that if it had been 2 UT players y'all would have been all over the story.
Hey no one is saying there are no bad Aggies. I'm not sure where exactly you got this? The only thing any of the Ags on here are responding to is the backlash we get from people who hate our traditions and simply want to badmouth us any chance they get. Every school has a dumbass or two.
Yeah, nothing screams class like degrading a university, it's fans, and the city it resides in in your own media guide.
http://media.www.dailytoreador.com/....With.Aggie.Media.Guide.Remarks-1274392.shtml
Sorry Aggies, but to act like this is an isolated incident would be wrong.
PS Why was there no mention of the 2 Aggies getting arrested for burglary earlier this month? We all know that if it had been 2 UT players y'all would have been all over the story.
Wrong, every school the size of A&M has a dumbass or two hundred if not thousand. Everytime an Aggie, or small group of Aggies, acts out in a manner that is blantly offensize we here the "oh, it's just a bad apple or two" or "this is just an isolated instance"; the problem is it is not. It has nothing to do with A&M as a school (despite the fact that I am certain fish camp is legalized brain washing), and it has everything to due with the fact that you have around 50,000 kids aged between 18-22 in positions where stuff like this can happen. All big schools suffer this kind of crap, see the Vick'Em shirts from Tech, the repeated kidnappings of Reville by Longhorns, the fights on Commerce street between OU and UT fans, the Tech A&M gaolpost incident, etc. Kids, when gathered in large numbers or in smaller more closely bound groups, while do stupid things. End of story.
I do not think anyone would accuse A&M of having huge issuses that need to be worked out; but most non-Aggies see Aggies as blind to some of the wrong doings at A&M (and it's not helped when most Aggies are uber quick to point out the faults in other programs, espically UT and Tech). See the 2 Aggie football palyers recently arrested, the 04 Aggie Media guide, the SMU/sabre debacle, etc.
A&M faithful acting like petulant children and displaying little to no class?!?!? no way...color me surprised. /sarcasm off
the traditions are lame and the level of immaturity is consistently off the charts. it seems that a significant faction of the Aggie faithful think that being dumb, drunk, and ignorant will somehow help their team win. if anything, it denegrates an overall exemplary institution of higher learning. When I think of A&M, i don't think of the great academic programs or the high rate of military service amongst the student population. instead, I think of drunk dumb rednecks getting in fights, building things that kill people, all male cheerleaders dressed like some 50's era soda jerk, the 'corps' pulling out their swords on the football field, and bad football. too bad all those things overshadows the great things about A&M (the girls are pretty underrated, cheap living costs, great network of alumni, and a top notch academic institution)
So then you agree with me. See my original response (which you yourself even quoted in a reply) indicating that this one sample is not representative of the population.
The Ags I know are not blind to the faults of the few. If anything, we are acutely aware of it because, if anything, we hold ourselves to a higher standard. Not because we think we are better than anyone, just because we have high expectations of ourselves. Nothing wrong with that.
Anyway.
Happy New Year, all. A blessed year. And I am quite happy to be at home with my Labrador snoring on the couch next to me, my wife fluttering about quietly putting away Christmas decor, and our firstborn upstairs dreaming about whatever 9 month old boys dream about. It was a good year.
Best,
Rick
So then you agree with me. See my original response (which you yourself even quoted in a reply) indicating that this one sample is not representative of the population.
The Ags I know are not blind to the faults of the few. If anything, we are acutely aware of it because, if anything, we hold ourselves to a higher standard. Not because we think we are better than anyone, just because we have high expectations of ourselves. Nothing wrong with that.
Anyway.
Happy New Year, all. A blessed year. And I am quite happy to be at home with my Labrador snoring on the couch next to me, my wife fluttering about quietly putting away Christmas decor, and our firstborn upstairs dreaming about whatever 9 month old boys dream about. It was a good year.
Best,
Rick
some Aggies seem to think that since they are A&M that they have a better class of student, and therefore they are better then the rest of us.
Rick, from my expierences with Aggies, you are in the minority. I cannot keep track of all the e-mails I get from Ags I work with when soemthing goes wrong at Tech, heaven help my dad you is a UT alum; but when soemthing goes wrong at A&M it's amazing how quite it gets.
I agree with you to the extent that as a whole A&M is no better or no worse then any other american college when it comes to instatnces like the Joe Pa comments. What I do not agree with is the constant barrage from some aggies that this are isolated instances of "1 or 2" bad apples. Please as I said earlier, anytime you have 25,000+ 18 to 22 year olds on average your going to have atleast 250 people who are a) stupid or b) just plain assholes. Yet some Aggies seem to think that since they are A&M that they have a better class of student, and therefore they are better then the rest of us.
Rick, from my expierences with Aggies, you are in the minority. I cannot keep track of all the e-mails I get from Ags I work with when soemthing goes wrong at Tech, heaven help my dad you is a UT alum; but when soemthing goes wrong at A&M it's amazing how quite it gets.
I do not hate A&M, I actively root against them twice a year (Tech and UT football games), but other then that I'm indifferent at the least and occasionally I pull for them; after all they maybe Aggies but they are still Texans.