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I was meaning since the Jets won one. lol
True, he has not looked good, but he is improving.
One big Brock thread wouldn't be very practical -- so we need several different threads to at least start to talk about something else before we all start talking about Brock again (this is much more practical).
Well there ya go. Brock for president!!!He gotcha there Speedy!
Brock is slowly progressing and this is a result of familiarity with the scheme and with his teammates.
I just wish he would actually lead a receiver - actually hit one in stride for a change.
Can you expand on this? I'm not being adversarial, I'm just interested in other's take on this. Prior to the season, I expected us to be a passing team by the end of the year complimented by a fairly good running game w/ the addition of LMiller (understanding that certain games may call for more of a running game plan depending on the defense). I'm guessing most of us thought this by the way that the board back then spent a lot of time discussing all the different ways that we would be able to use the speed that had been added to the team. I felt like BoB was working towards this and we had gotten there with the Raiders game where I thought Brock showed he was ready for the next step. But since then I feel like our game plan has reverted back to a run first team.
I really feel like there is something to this. Earlier in the year, I commented that BoB looked like a first year qb where things were moving too fast for him and he wasn't prepared for little things in games that make a big difference (Lechler having to tell him to challenge a call because he's talking to a player, clock management, etc). In a similar sense, I don't think things have slowed down enough for him to step back and have a sense of the bigger picture and how to develop a team to where he wants it as the year goes on. I do think that this is something that can be learned and I'm hopeful that he's growing as a coach. My biggest concern is that I'm misreading what I see as him not developing the team out of inexperience, for him being too conservative. I don't see him growing out of being ultra conservative by nature (if that is the case) and it's a possibility that I've begun to question about him.
Understood. WR injuries have no doubt slowed our pass progression. And maybe BoB hasn't had any choice but to turn back to the run -- I'm sincerely hoping that this is the case and given a healthy receiving corp next year, the passing game opens up. I'm just doing my best to figure out what type of coach we have in BoB. It's not easy to pinpoint with all of the factors that go into assessing him -- much like Brock's situation.
If one can believe what O'Brien says, then he places a lot of importance on the running game as well he should - it's a basic part of any offense.
Poor quality of play (at times), weird play calling (at times), and suspect officiating (at times) are why we aren't running away with this weak division. Crappy QB play is why we lost to the Chargers. We could have won in Mexico City but we got jobbed out of that Raiders game. I wasn't expecting a lot up in snowy GB so that loss doesn't bother me as much as the other two.
Screens, wheel routes, check downs are all part of the passing game -- I've long felt like they need to do much more of this as well but I've felt like this should be in an effort to get Brock into a rhythm and to get our passing game going. Regardless of where we differ on where the offense should be at, you're 100% correct that we're missing this aspect of our offense. From your other posts and this one, I feel like I understand where you're coming from on what our offense should look like -- I've just felt like we're not capable of being a Broncos team of last year with this type of offense because our defense isn't at that level where our pass rush is w/out the blitz. I think we're going to need to air it out in certain games down the stretch and we don't have that in our toolbox so our game plan is hamstrung. At this point, I would be satisfied if we were at where you feel our offense should be -- so in your opinion, why aren't we there?
Agreed w/ your entire post, especially the quoted and bolded.
Is the offense that you've advocated for because you think Brock isn't capable of being a 'franchise' qb (meaning he isn't capable of operating the pass first offense I've discussed)? If so, did you feel this way pre-season or just as you've seen more of him as the season progressed?
Don't know what that means, but it sounds painful.
