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sandman
Brexit Advisor
Is it just me or is the defense (even with no Watt and all those injuries) playing with more energy than the offense? At least in the Colts game
I saw some fat boys running hard yesterday.
The more I think about it, the more upset I am about the Titans beating the Broncos.
Mariota did not have a good game at all.
We gave up 180 yards & 2 TDs to the 27th rated rushing attack.
Mariota did not have a good game at all.
We gave up 180 yards & 2 TDs to the 27th rated rushing attack.
What if the Colts fire Pagano? Who will be their HC next season?
I'd be worried if they get Josh McDaniels. That guy with Luck & Hilton would be trouble.
I'd be worried if they get Josh McDaniels. That guy with Luck & Hilton would be trouble.
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PapaL
Loose Screw
Me too but damned if I don't hate Tennessee. I'd definitely play Brock the entire game though.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
McDaniels might be just as likely to overdraft a QB (Tebow) and run Luck out of town (Cutler) as he is to build a great team. And Yeldon is a jaguar.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
And 119 to #25 KC. And 185 to #15 NE. And 96 to dead last MIN who barely averages 70. And 161 to #24 INDY. The Texans sucked against the run in every game the first half of the season except the opener against CHI. It's kind of obvious though the Texans are playing much better against the run these days.
First 7 games = 135 yards per game
Last 6 games = 71 yards per game
Thanks. I meant Hilton.
Texansfan69
Noob
Texans make playoffs. same story as last year. Some are just happy they make the dance don't care if they get embarrassed, just so long as they make it, I on the other hand want them to go to the dance and I want them to be the center of attention on the dance floor, not wall flowering it while others dance. I want them to dance, but I am afraid they will be asked to leave early because they just can't dance. Hoping against hope for 10-6, expect 8-8.
I don't expect them to get embarrassed. I expect them to play good hard nosed football.
I don't expect a high powered offense. But I do expect "complimentary football"
I don't expect a high powered offense. But I do expect "complimentary football"
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Meh, it's called growth. 1) Expansion team. 2) .500 team. 3) Consistent winning seasons. 4) Regular playoff appearances. 5) Super Bowl contender. Some think that process should have been completed by now. Maybe they are right. Without digging into the NFL data, I would say the Texans are tracking to the norm with having regular playoff appearances in their 15th season.
If we make the playoffs this season, it will be four of the last six seasons as division champs.
If it were the Colts, these naysayers would talk like it's a big deal. Since it's the Texans, it's tallest midget talk.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
I think there are several around here who like to hold the Texans accountable for the Oilers' history and disappointments. Like somehow McNair should have learned every lesson that Bud Adams did simply because he was now an NFL owner in the city of Houston. And that the Texans owed it to longsuffering Oiler fans to be Super Bowl contenders a decade after the expansion draft.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
The likely 5/6 seeds are Raiders/Broncos. Even though we lost to them I like our chances in a home game against either team. We match up well with both teams especially if Jo Jo comes back healthy to cover their top WR.
The running game is looking good and the Broncos showed last year you can win in the playoffs with subpar QB play. Our defense can play with any offense in the league!
The running game is looking good and the Broncos showed last year you can win in the playoffs with subpar QB play. Our defense can play with any offense in the league!
Texansfan69
Noob
I wouldn't say SB contender every year, nothing wrong with expecting them to be a deep playoff team every year after 14 years. Just saying I am not a Kool-Aid kind of guy, accepting mediocre is for the Cleveland's of the world, this isn't Cleveland. I want my Team to be the best every snap of every game. Love it when they win, hate it when they lose, I can accept the play hard but you just got beat scenarios, the well we played stupid we should coach/play better losses have got to stop after so long.
I( think they are growing, it's just they keep pruning themselves back to stage 2-3 sometimes 4, Mediocre teams do mediocre things.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Seattle went to the playoffs in their 8th and 9th seasons, winning 3 games and getting to the AFCCG once. Then they went 18 seasons where they only made the playoffs 3 times with 3 losses. It wasn't until their 28th season that they consistently started winning, then going deep into the playoffs.
We all know they changed the expansion rules after Carolina/Jacksonville came into the league, but even then the Panthers went to the NFCCG three times in their first 11 seasons, then went 8 seasons with two playoff appearances and no wins. Jacksonville goes to two AFCCG in their first 4 years, then have 17 seasons of two playoff appearances and one win.
And we won't even talk about Cleveland or Tampa Bay.
Of all those expansion franchises, only one is currently over .500 for the history of their franchise and that is Seattle - after 40 years - by 2 total games coming into this season.
My point is, the NFL model for expansion franchises over the last 40 years doesn't necessarily align with the expectations that Texans fans have of their franchise.
I agree whole heartedly with this post. I just want to add.
four of the last six seasons
I think McNair has done a pretty good job. We're no longer an expansion team (the Browns are still an expansion team), we're a play off team.
I'm more interested in what McNair does with this team from here on out, than what's been done with this team in the past. No doubt he's made mistakes. But it just doesn't make sense to keep bringing them up every time we talk about the future of this club.
The Jaguars have the 5th ranked defense The Texans are 6th
The Texans are 13th in points allowed.
The Jaguars are 4th against the pass. The Texans are 5th
The Titans are ranked 3rd against the run
The Texans are 13th in points allowed.
The Jaguars are 4th against the pass. The Texans are 5th
The Titans are ranked 3rd against the run
JCTexan
Hall of Fame
Even if our week 17 match-up isn't for the division it could still be for the 3rd seed in the AFC. I don't know about the rest of you but I want to avoid the Patriots until a possible AFC Championship showdown.
Tampa Bay came into the League with Seattle and though they don't have a winning record as a franchise (247-395-1 overall) they do have a Super Bowl Title (2002) and an OK playoff record of 6-9.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
My point was in context to being an expansion franchise. In their first 21 seasons they averaged 4.75 wins per season, had 2 winning seasons and 1 playoff win.
Dungy did an amazing job in 6 years of taking them from a perennial loser to SB contender. What is sad for this franchise is that outside of the 6-year window of Year 2 for Dungy through the Year 1 SB season for Gruden, they have 4 playoff appearances and 1 win in 34 years.
Yes, I understand the point of your post. I was just trying to say they at least have a Super Bowl to hang their hats on. It gives the fans some hope because it shows them that it can be done. We Texans fans are still waiting for that 1st
. I just hope it doesn't take the Texans as long as it did TB to get it!
sandman
Brexit Advisor
From your lips to God's ears...
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Not sure why people think top 10 HCs (not 1 season, career) grow on trees. It isn't the McNairs don't care. They're rare. Tom Landry and Don Shula aren't lurking under each shrub just waiting for the non-interfering, other than shrub checking; billionaire to find.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
It's the same with good QB's, although I also believe that if you persist with a guy who isn't completely incompetent, he can be serviceable with time in the system. These guys need most things to be just so to operate on a successful level - like a decent oline, favourable system and chemistry with their receivers, etc. Osweiler is such a guy.
Some guys take 3 or more years, some guys click straight away - the latter are indeed quite rare.
That's better than taking as long as the Saints. That's also better than the Jets. lol
Texansballer74
The Marine
Man I just want to experience some winning football. Some competitive football and a good chance of rep'n the city of Houston in the Superbowl.
I know some fans are more patient than others. There's a lot of truth in the growth processing expansion teams have to face. But let's remember some of us were big time Luv U Blue/ Oilers fans. And it would be great to see our team win it all before we leave this wonderful green earth.
I know some fans are more patient than others. There's a lot of truth in the growth processing expansion teams have to face. But let's remember some of us were big time Luv U Blue/ Oilers fans. And it would be great to see our team win it all before we leave this wonderful green earth.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
I think it's that we just want to get in The Game one freaking time. Something that's never happened. Or at least feel like we have a legitimate chance to get there. We all know how hard it is. Just since the Texans have been around, only 6 out of 16 teams from the AFC have even been to the Super Bowl, only 10 out of 32 NFL teams have won it.
Take the Astros for example. The buzz is high for the Astros. Vegas has them with the 2nd best odds to win a pennant, 4th best odds to win the World Series in 2017. Now they still have to prove it on the field, but they've got the feel of legit contenders. The Texans haven't had that once in the OB era, and really just once in their existence, and that ended when a fat guy crushed our QBs foot.
OB coming in here in year 1 going with a stop gap in Fitzpatrick, fine. Give the guy time to do his thang. But then he brings in Hoyer in year two? That was his thang? Now here we are in year 3 putting all the marbles in the Osweiler basket and so far they've missed on that. And it looks like we're stuck with that for year 4. You know, throwing away seasons like that, life isn't getting any shorter.
That's the deal, at least for me. Hope is not shining too brightly right now for the Texans, hasn't for a vast majority of their existence, and so much so recently, I moved to the state of apathy regarding them. I'm excited as hell about the Astros upcoming season even though they've yet to prove a damn thing.
It's hard to win, I get that. Just give me hope. The Texans telling me that the worst QB in the league is just a couple of dropped passes away from being Aaron Rodgers dims that hope even more.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Osweiler is not the worst qb in the league - he is currently ranked around #23.
I am hopeful he can continue to raise his ranking.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Sheesh. He's 31st passer rating, 30th QBR, 32nd Y/A, 28th completion percentage, 29th yards per game, 3rd worst TD/INT ratio....so I don't know where you're getting this 23rd ranking from, Mr. McNair.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
I hear what you are saying. I don't want to wait 30+ years like Buc fan had to either. I just look at the data and say that if the Texans build a consistently winning SB contender before year 20, they will have broken the trend. Unlike you, I see a plan with Os. I'm not willing to say he is a bust after 13 games. We will have to disagree on that, even while we want the same end game. I'm sure unconsciously there is more frustration this year because it was the chance to play a SB in Houston. Totally unrealistic that this team was ready to compete at that level, but reality doesn't play much into our passion for sports, does it?
And as far as the Aaron Rodgers statement, you know that you are purposefully misinterpreting that quote. It's been posted multiple times here on the forum. "In this game" is the context your are willingly ignoring my friend.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
That game, season, who cares? The point is, people out there really reaching to to find a ray of hope with regards to the QB. I mean, just look at the post above mine.
No where in any stat anywhere is Osweiler ranked 23rd. Yet this guy's just going to pull that out of his ass and try to make people think it's true. And continue to raise his ranking? Seriously? He's been in the bottom 3-5 the entire freaking season.
Yeah, I guess we will have to disagree on the Osweiler being a bust or not. It'd be one thing if I saw some progress but I just don't. I don't see the flashes that the switch can come on for this guy. And believe me, I'm not a hater where I can come in here and say I told you so. I want Osweiler to do well, I wish he played better than he is. He's just not the guy.
Why do people have to be tolerating status quo?
McNair himself insisted that the Texans weren't rebuilding, just reloading.
Why shouldn't we point out that the current plan isn't working?
I still watched and supported Schaub while saying the Texans needed a better QB to be a real contender.
I don't believe the Texans can be a real contender with Osweiler.
I don't need to tear him down, just as I never tore Schaub down.
It's just absurd for the Texans to do the same thing again and expect better results.
The QB is the most important position. Find one with better potential than the retreads the last 3 years.
It's not like there weren't any option in the draft the last 3 years.
Instead, we're here to "discuss" about how the Texans may not suck as badly as some other expansion team.
McNair himself insisted that the Texans weren't rebuilding, just reloading.
Why shouldn't we point out that the current plan isn't working?
I still watched and supported Schaub while saying the Texans needed a better QB to be a real contender.
I don't believe the Texans can be a real contender with Osweiler.
I don't need to tear him down, just as I never tore Schaub down.
It's just absurd for the Texans to do the same thing again and expect better results.
The QB is the most important position. Find one with better potential than the retreads the last 3 years.
It's not like there weren't any option in the draft the last 3 years.
Instead, we're here to "discuss" about how the Texans may not suck as badly as some other expansion team.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
You won't here anything from me other than Brock has under-performed this year. I guess my point is that we have seen him play better, during his stint covering for Manning in Denver. That leads me to believe that what we are seeing this year is not his ceiling. Disappointed? Absolutely. Can I lay all of that disappointment directly at his feet? Nope. Bob, Godsey and the Oline get some of that poo flung on them as well. Most of it is on Brock, but there is enough to go around.
As far as the quote goes, it's just disingenuous to try and state that McNair thinks Brock is *almost Rodgers. It's obvious that is not what he said. But it's all good. I'm just pointing out the fallacy, not trying to be the forum police and tell you what to post.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
So using the historical facts of other NFL expansion teams' performances is not a legitimate way to determine how a given team is trending to an established norm? History isn't relevant, only fans feelings are?
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Texansballer74
The Marine
On the cool what difference does it matter. Dude is one of the worse quarterbacks in the NFL. If you compare him to only those that actually started more than 8 games, you will see him in the bottom 5. But since we are being technical Fitzpatrick is the worse QB in the NFL.
We're talking about different things.
You're happy to stay with status quo.
I now DEMAND better.
It's how a team can get better.
You need to cultivate a stronger approach than just to support the local team.
It's not unrealistic.
Just curious, but what is that DEMAND getting you?
Number19
Hall of Fame
I'm
This has been a frustrating and disappointing season for me and the reason is because of Os. Because of my apathy I haven't been analyzing to the extent I may have in the past. But Rush has said that often with a political speech, most people don't remember specifics after a few days but what they do remember is how the speech made them feel. This is how I feel about Os. When I watch him play, I just don't like what I'm seeing, even though he may be having a "good" game, or we may win. I just don't feel good with him as our QB. I don't think he is a "natural".
Texansballer74
The Marine
Or the Saints fans. And Sandman I hated seeing our fans with bags over their heads like those Saints fans did way back in the day.
40 years mayne...dannnnnggg!
Relate that to the Texans
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
If the Texans had taken as long as the Jets, they would have won it after the 2010 season.
On the otherhand, if they take as long as the Steelers to win a Super Bowl (or NFL Championship), it will be 2043 when it's won, but the good news is, they've already made the playoffs as many times as the Steelers prior to their first Super Bowl season.(and it might be worth noting that the owner at the time of that first Super Bowl win was the same person who owned the team when founded).
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