Vinny
shiny happy fan
and they also draft OL high....does Jordan Gross ring a bell? Or perhaps you can look at the pick we traded to the saints for Travis Johnson...they got their starting RT in that deal.
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Wolf
100% Texan
I would like AP but I think about the Dolphins with Marino in the late '80's early '90's it seemed like they brought RB after RB in to compliment marino with a running game, now I was a little young then, but looking back I always wondered what went wrong with that. (adul jabbar in 1st round and others they kept bringing in (went blank)..
I guess my point is fix the run blocking, lets get some lineman in here that can force their will on them (i.e. 3rd and goal,4th and goal, we have a good chance of getting in)
I hated it when the oilers drafted 3 lineman in a row back in the early '80's (heck I was 10) because it wasn't the pretty pick,but now I understand it.. (not saying we need to get 3 linemen in the next 3 years in the 1st round).. Got to go ugly sometime.
BTW
How old are the clones of Mathew,Munchak and Steinkuhler doing? :hehe:
I guess my point is fix the run blocking, lets get some lineman in here that can force their will on them (i.e. 3rd and goal,4th and goal, we have a good chance of getting in)
I hated it when the oilers drafted 3 lineman in a row back in the early '80's (heck I was 10) because it wasn't the pretty pick,but now I understand it.. (not saying we need to get 3 linemen in the next 3 years in the 1st round).. Got to go ugly sometime.
BTW
How old are the clones of Mathew,Munchak and Steinkuhler doing? :hehe:
HomeBred_Texan
Veteran
For every bell you ring, there is another one to chime...
Let's see Oakland took a young man for LT name Robert Gallery with the 2nd pick overall, how did that one turn out? We can go back and forth all day.
I am not, nor will not change my mind.
But speaking of Indy and the Edge, remember how they got to where they are now? They drafted Offense first, got it going and then fixed there D. Now wouldn't you like to be in that catbird's seat?
If, and that is a big if, we would have taken D'Brick in the first round last year and still grabbed Spencer and Winston, would we even be having this conversation right now?
I know, if a frog had wings and all that...
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real
Guest
Vinny
shiny happy fan
Sure is...just look at the Bears and Ravens.
HomeBred_Texan
Veteran
You were pointing out teams that are drafting OL high, I was pointing out that also. We have invested in some linemen too, Just not where we want to be and 1 of those, a dang good one too, is now out for the season already.
HomeBred_Texan
Veteran
You can't fix both sides of the ball in 1 year. It takes awhile to do that, it hasn't ever happened overnight...
Would you rather we fix the D and lose games 7-3 or fix the O and lose shootouts 38-37? A loss is a loss no matter what the score is, but I would rather sit and watch and support some high scoring gigs instead of losing 40-6...
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
Gaither, Baker, Brown, and Thomas are all very forceful OT prospects who are extremely talented.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
I would too but I'd rather invest 60 mil in a player like a lineman who generally have longer careers and tend to hold up to their pre-draft grades better than rb's do.
texasguy346
Mod Squad
I was in the trade down camp last year, and I'm sure I'll be in the trade down camp this year as well. I've said before that I think we had a really good draft this past year, but we still need to add much more. If Kubiak really isn't finished cleaning house on this team just yet then I'm guessing we'll have plenty of spots up for grabs next season.
Lets assume for a moment that Spencer comes back at 100% next year and is everything we could ask for out of a LT. Let's also assume that through the course of this season Winston proves himself to be a serviceable RT. We know that Pitts is locked in at LG. Weary has played pretty well at times at RG, and Flannagan is in no way shape or form our future at C. In that scenario we're left with a lot of ifs that could make the 2007 season pretty ugly if they all don't work out exactly right. I think we need to draft two or three quality OLinemen in order to get better depth even if everything works out exactly right. I would like to see at least one or two of them taken in the first day. Assuming Weigart is gone next season then we'd need to pick up an OT, and although Hogdon is an adequate backup I think we need to pickup a young C who can hold down that starting spot for the next 7+ years. I also wouldn't mind seeing us pickup a G in the later rounds.
We definately need a RB too, but I can't spend a top 5 pick on AP. There are quality backs to be had throughout the draft be it in the 2nd round or the 7th. We definately need a whole lot of help on the defensive side of the ball. We need to add a OLB, another CB, and a true FS. That is alot of needs to be addressed in one draft, but assuming they pickup a key FA here or there (FOR A REASONABLE MONEY PLEASE...No More Wade/Greenwood/Smith type contracts) we could see alot of improvement next season. Even so we might still need two very good drafts to address alot of the key need areas on our team.
Lets assume for a moment that Spencer comes back at 100% next year and is everything we could ask for out of a LT. Let's also assume that through the course of this season Winston proves himself to be a serviceable RT. We know that Pitts is locked in at LG. Weary has played pretty well at times at RG, and Flannagan is in no way shape or form our future at C. In that scenario we're left with a lot of ifs that could make the 2007 season pretty ugly if they all don't work out exactly right. I think we need to draft two or three quality OLinemen in order to get better depth even if everything works out exactly right. I would like to see at least one or two of them taken in the first day. Assuming Weigart is gone next season then we'd need to pick up an OT, and although Hogdon is an adequate backup I think we need to pickup a young C who can hold down that starting spot for the next 7+ years. I also wouldn't mind seeing us pickup a G in the later rounds.
We definately need a RB too, but I can't spend a top 5 pick on AP. There are quality backs to be had throughout the draft be it in the 2nd round or the 7th. We definately need a whole lot of help on the defensive side of the ball. We need to add a OLB, another CB, and a true FS. That is alot of needs to be addressed in one draft, but assuming they pickup a key FA here or there (FOR A REASONABLE MONEY PLEASE...No More Wade/Greenwood/Smith type contracts) we could see alot of improvement next season. Even so we might still need two very good drafts to address alot of the key need areas on our team.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
And who you aren't having to pay tremendously over market value.
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real
Guest
That's what I'm sayin....
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real
Guest
I really doubt that the Texans take AP in the draft even if they are in position to do so...I really smell a trade down this year...
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
I'm hoping so.
Right now, I'm hoping for a trade down where we somehow end up w/2 first round picks.
For this version, I'll say we trade pick #4 for pick #11 and #22
11: Gaither, LT, Maryland. Gaither is the best LT prospect in the nation IMO, better than Thomas, but less hyped. I am assuming Thomas will go first, but Gaither is a complete OT. This allows for Spencer to move to a more suiting position of RG if he comes back healthy.
22: Landry, FS, LSU. Everyone thinks Landry will go top 10 or w/e. People, he won't. He is the top FS but he's not worth his hype. Still he is better than anything we have and has good, solid experience.
36: Cook, OC, Fresno St. Cook is the best OC prospect in the nation IMO and again just solidifies our O-line. It's not the flashy pick, but it would be the right one.
TexansLucky13
53d Signal Batt
Even if he is gone there is still Griffin and Merristomponyourface
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real
Guest
Im thinkin Landry would be gone by that point...He should be the clear cut #1 safety in the draft now....
I wouldn't mind taking Griffin from UT though...or Irons from AUB with the second pick of the first rd. if it worked out that way...
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
Yes, he could be gone, but I'm not predicting it yet.
A good RB like Lynch or Ball from Maryland, or a CB like Leon Hall or a LB like Buster Davis or a OG like Balylock from UT.
Lots of different options.
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
Then there is till FA for DB's and RB's.
Endless possibilities.
Endless possibilities.
Wolf
100% Texan
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
well we drafted an injury prone TE in the 2nd round
I know your intents were humor wolf, but for some fans:
Joppru was not injury prone when we drafted him, he was injury prone only after we drafted him.
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real
Guest
JMO, but I saw Buster play and I wouldn't touch him until the 2nd rd....I don't think he is worth a top 32 pick....
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real
Guest
AP isn't stupid...He's been injury prone...
Why would he take the chance of having an even more devastating injury when he can come out now and get a big payday...
Texans86
Rookie
Actually, I've heard contrary, which is why he probably will come out this year. J/k.
BuffSoldier
Veteran
I know I was one of the biggest campaigners for drafting a "Brick" for the Houston Texans, but thats in the past now, I while I woudnt be upset if we drafted Joe Thomas, I really dont see that happening. Charles Spencer willbe back next year and while he may not be the pro-bowl LT that we have wanted since Tony Boselli in the expansion draft, he has shown that he can protect Carrs blindside better than anyone we have had thus far.
He is only a rookie and he will get much better, especially if we can keep Sherman around as our o-line coach. Now let us not forget about the other rookie, Eric Winston. Most of us thought that Winston would be long gone by the time we drafted him and I think that Winston was second round talent that we got in the 3rd. Winston still has a chance of being our RT for years to come. Interior lineman could be upgraded. Pitts is playing as well as ever, but the RG and OC we could need some help at. Luckily for us OC and OG usually dont go in the first round.
It looks like once again Ill be in the trade down camp, because likeI said in an earlier post, we should be able to trade down and still grap a Kenny Irons or Michael Bush, pick up some extra picks and help out our D whicj is really our biggest need
He is only a rookie and he will get much better, especially if we can keep Sherman around as our o-line coach. Now let us not forget about the other rookie, Eric Winston. Most of us thought that Winston would be long gone by the time we drafted him and I think that Winston was second round talent that we got in the 3rd. Winston still has a chance of being our RT for years to come. Interior lineman could be upgraded. Pitts is playing as well as ever, but the RG and OC we could need some help at. Luckily for us OC and OG usually dont go in the first round.
It looks like once again Ill be in the trade down camp, because likeI said in an earlier post, we should be able to trade down and still grap a Kenny Irons or Michael Bush, pick up some extra picks and help out our D whicj is really our biggest need
TexanLen
Waterboy
GOOD ONE!!!
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
It was me and you as co-presidents of the D'brick fan club.
Anyways, Gaither is my pick for this year, but if we do trade down which I am still advocating and hoping for...I'm hoping for the absolute best, most polished defensive player that is not a DT or DE.
dat_boy_yec
Rookie
I'm going with RB on this one. It doesn't have to be AP, but our running game needs a boost and barring any FA moves before the draft I think this will be our best option. I don't get all the trade down talk so far, as the season is nowhere near done and we might, might not even be in the top ten. Regardless of that there are no real stand out players on defense that scream 1st rd. There is alot of depth in the secondary next yr. and we could end up having alot of good prospects in the second rd. again it's to early to tell, but right now I would love to have a Marshawn Lynch or a K. Irons on the team.
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
Actually we could use another DT. It is quite possible that Seth Payne may never play for the Texans again. I hope he is able to come back, but his career being over is a definite possibility.
Another DT yes, another first round d-lineman? no.
I think Weaver, TJ, and a FA addition will be fine. I'd look more for depth than top notch.
BuffSoldier
Veteran
I understand that alot of you guys would love for the Texans to take a big time running back in the 1st round, but to be honest, there is no back that could run behind the line that is blocking for the Texans this year. I mean we would be looking to get rid of Barry Sanders if we saw him play behind a line as bad as ours is. Now dont get me wrong, Im not saying that we have explosive backs that can make people miss on the second level, what Im saying is that we have to get them to the second level first.
painekiller
All Pro
I would rather wait until the 2nd and get Michael Bush. A risky choice but for a whole lot cheaper and he is a big back with cut back skills. His game is not based on speed only. Sorry with a top 5 pick I want to go defense again. Either LB or DB. Unless a DT is a top 5 talent, unlikely DT usually drop to the close to mid round.
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
I just don't think any defensive player warrents a top 5 pick. I am in the trade down camp once again this year. Michael Bush isn't a speed back, and while he is better than Dayne and Gado, he is not the complete back that everyone wants.
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
If the team deciedes that Gaither is there guy, DO NOT trade down and hope he slips be some miracle, just pull the damn trigger. And I'd be willing to bet a lot of cash that Gaither will not be available at 11 (barring an injury).
painekiller
All Pro
How fast was Terrel Davis? 4.6, which is why he slipped in the draft. Michael Bush is around the same speed, but much larger. If he regains most of his speed he can be an excellent RB in the NFL.
painekiller
All Pro
BTW you guys have me looking real hard at Gaither.
What a line that would be in 3 years.
Gaither, Pitts, Hodgdon/upgrade, Winston, Spencer. If these guys have the footspeed (meaning if Spencer doesn't lose any) this line would be bigger and stronger than any line Denver has assembled.
What a line that would be in 3 years.
Gaither, Pitts, Hodgdon/upgrade, Winston, Spencer. If these guys have the footspeed (meaning if Spencer doesn't lose any) this line would be bigger and stronger than any line Denver has assembled.
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
look closely at him and enjoy.
I see spencer at RG and Winston at RT if all this happens.
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
I don't know if I could trade down with him on the board, but I'm greedy and want more picks too.
It's way too early to assume we will have a Top 5 pick. If the season ended today, we'd be picking #8, after teams like Oakland, Miami, Tennessee, Green Bay, Detroit, Cleveland and Arizona.
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
I was just giving possiblities that allowed us to trade down. I'm not pegging us for any pick just yet, just one senario.
Sorry, I was just reacting to the premature storm on these boards of "we're the worst team in the league" and might have been oversensitive to your post.
run-david-run
All Pro
Its amazing how the board shifts from one draft to the next. I guarantee that about 80% of the people who are saying we cant take a running back in the top 5 (5 games into the season mind you) where screaming for Reggie and the people crying for O-line help were pointing out how Denver got all its linemen in the later rounds.
Drafting wise, I think we will finish with a better record then Oakland, Tennessea, Green Bay, Detroit, Cleavland and possibly Tampa. That leaves us around the 7th pick. I hope to see Winston and Spencer as our bookends for many years to come, Pitts starting at LG. That leaves Center and Right Guard, depending on whetver Weary and Flannagan are good enough. Anyway, with the first pick I think we should go for the best player availlable, be it a running back, defensive back or lineman.
Drafting wise, I think we will finish with a better record then Oakland, Tennessea, Green Bay, Detroit, Cleavland and possibly Tampa. That leaves us around the 7th pick. I hope to see Winston and Spencer as our bookends for many years to come, Pitts starting at LG. That leaves Center and Right Guard, depending on whetver Weary and Flannagan are good enough. Anyway, with the first pick I think we should go for the best player availlable, be it a running back, defensive back or lineman.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
I agree partially to this. Our run blocking is definantely bad, and our running game will not get to the level Kubiak wants it at with this line, but if we had a more talented back...we would atleast be gaining some yards.
It is kind of a good thing though because Kubiak won't settle for a offensive line that doesn't get it done, considering he loves using the running game.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
Agreed. I love Patrick Wills also. But no way is he a first round Linebacker. A.J. Hawk is a first round LB. Uhrlacker is a first round LB. Willis is not. Still real early.
Look you All Day fans. Just saw Carter Wells of Ohio St. run in his first college TD vs Northern Illionois. Now, That guy is a top five pick back.
He's got the goods. Petterson is going to be a good pro. Just hoping he's a good pro on someone else's team.
painekiller
All Pro
Remember when Peek leaves we get a comp pick if we do not sign a big name. Could be a 3rd round sandwich pick.
painekiller
All Pro
I could live with that and I did think that was a serious option based on Spencers injury :bananasplit:.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
Beerlover was a Vincet fan all off season. You can look it up if you wish, but I was pounding the drum for a move down and take Brick. there weren't many of us. OLY has been a critical need that low draft picks and free agents have yet to fill. Five years is long enough. D'Brichshaw was the first front line prospect OLT out there we had a ligit shot at getting. Buffsoldier and a lot of others spurned the VY and RB crowd. No trading partner we took Mario. And I understand the pick. But this year, with three guys on the board, and no real RB out there slaying me with his ablity, there's really no excuse not to make the OLT pick. Spencer was well on his way to being that guy. Funny how the running game tanked with out DD and Spencer in the line up. Well, maybe not so strange.