texanhead08
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I saw a blurb earlier and it was quoted by a stripper friend of his that he has 7 children, but it didn't say by how many women.
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Adrian Peterson has been indicted
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I saw a blurb earlier and it was quoted by a stripper friend of his that he has 7 children, but it didn't say by how many women.
kingtexan
All Pro
It is the only reason Rice isn't in the NFL, because the "public" saw it.
Anyone that believes Roger didn't see it months before is naive.
CloakNNNdagger
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Foster found the need to chime in (tweets included):
Arian Foster rips Anheuser-Busch's statement on NFL's issues
Arian Foster rips Anheuser-Busch's statement on NFL's issues
toronto
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He has a valid point weeding through his tweets. Of all the sponsors, for them to become politically correct is definitely laughable when you think of their commercials over the years
infantrycak
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Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
Agreed. A VERY valid point. Perhaps the NFL should drop all sponsorship by sellers of ALCOHOL like Anheuser Bush and ban it at all NFL Stadiums. Now THAT would be a statement.
But forgive me if I don't hold my breath for it to happen.
toronto
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What you talkin' 'bout Willis?
Well played. Beats the Bob Eucker commercials.
Dan B.
Hall of Fame
What you talkin' 'bout Willis?
So now we know why they all wore sunglasses
Grams
Veteran
I read somewhere he had 7 kids by 5 women.
He had admitted to using a switch on a 4 year old. If the pictures are correct, that was child abuse. He should be suspended indefinitely.
I do not have a problem with discipline and spanking, but using the switch that many times is totally unnecessary for any reason.
He had admitted to using a switch on a 4 year old. If the pictures are correct, that was child abuse. He should be suspended indefinitely.
I do not have a problem with discipline and spanking, but using the switch that many times is totally unnecessary for any reason.
I've never seen a photo of J.J. Watt with any girl.
...except that six-yr old he proposed to.
CloakNNNdagger
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TexansThunder
Waterboy
The PC Machine is a mob that is trying to control the landscape of the social agenda. Politicians are giving signals that they may hold hearings on how to help the NFL police itself. The league itself is under intense scrutiny. I truly wish the PC machine was more focused on helping the families than blitzing the NFL. Many folks really want to punish the NFL at the expense of Rice and Peterson (and going even further for not changing the name of the Redskins). Sponsors are getting pressure by the PC Engine to cease partnerships with the NFL. In the end, they made do further harm to domestic abuse victims by completely destroying the livelihoods of Rice and Peterson. These cases belong in the judicial system not in a social agenda managed by the PC elite that desire to control our culture. As a victim of child abuse, I can empathize with Peterson's children. No child deserves that kind of punishment. They need him to learn from his mistakes, to man up and not do that again, ever. I imagine he is feared not respected by them. I also believe that they still love their father and need his love and support. If the PC Machine succeeds, it will eradicate his earning potential and his ability to support his family. Let the man face his day in court to be judged by his peers. Let the man play football so he can still earn money for his family while doing what he can to mend the emotional wounds he caused.
Texecutioner
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I don't even want to hear about this crap man. I understand a little bit of reporting when an incident first happens, but this **** storm of non stop coverage going on has to stop. I don't watch the NFL for this garbage. It is a sport, and it isn't supposed to be "One life to live" with these players. The general public needs to get over themselves with this constant judging on everything.
And yeah, it is total fraud when no one is saying anything about all of these other multiple offenders that get to appear in moves like "The Hangover" and all of these talk shows like Mike Tyson does. Hell Mike Tyson has an opera about him right now, and no one is calling for shame against him.
Why is no one asking to have Jim Brown taken out of the HOF?
That is selective outrage against certain people while giving others a total pass, and that is no right nor is it consistent in any way. ONe minute it is okay to praise a convicted rapist, but the next minute it is horrible to have a one time offender who made a mistake in an elevator and ruin his career completely and ask him to fall off the face of the earth?? That is a double standard if I've ever heard one, and you know from my posting history that I absolutely hate double standards and will call it out every time. I don't' like it with race, with gender, and I don't like it with sports where fans use this "higher standard" idea that these guys can lead normal lives without complete scrutiny of everything they do.
Everyone in here? No, but some people, sure. I'm generally talking about all of the people who sit around and allow TMZ and the rest of the despicable media turn the football season into a crying soap opera. If Ray Rice is so bad then stop covering the guy. Get him off the NFL news. Let him fade into obscurity until he gets on another team, but this isn't why people watch the NFL.
But I will say this, if you were cheering on Mike Tyson or some other guy like that last month on some tv show and all of a sudden want Ray Rice to be vilified endlessly, then yeah you really aren't consistent with your thoughts at all really don't add any validity to any train of thought on issues like this.
Texecutioner
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And regarding Watt, none of you really know what that guy is like unless you know him personally and are around him constantly. I get so sick and tired of people getting this personal hero worship on people they have never spent a minute with in their lives and acting like they know these people. I've spent time with many athletes that had great reputations publicly and heard them say all types of stuff that many of you would find to be extremely disappointing based on what some of your assumptions may be about them. Tiger Woods had the most squeaky clean image probably more than any other athlete and over night everyone turned against him and was sooooooo shocked. I wasn't shocked at all, because he is a famous rich person that could be leading any kind of life for all I know.
I don't think Watt is a bad guy personally. I think he is a great guy most likely and he seems to do a lot of great things for children and disabled people. But for all I know he may treat others in his life horribly. WE DON"T KNOW. The fact that some people just assume this stuff based on what they see the media report or not report in some cases is not any clear indication of how a person is. It is a presentation of how they want a person to appear to be.
The presumption of innocence is for a court of law, not the court of public opinion. Don't confuse yourself. We're not trying to prosecute and send him up the river in this forum. We are considering the available information, forming opinions, and expressing those opinions, all of which we are legally allowed to do.
Thus far, I haven't heard one argument against his guilt, except for the possibility that his admitted conduct falls somewhere short of a theoretical jury's application of the child abuse law, as may be instructed by a judge. AP admits to the incident, and the pictures tell the tale. Is someone or something alleging it didn't happen by AP's hand. Is anyone suggesting that the injuries are the child's just reward? If you are to give AP the "presumption of innocence, exactly what part of the known facts are you granting him allowance on? That he didn't do it? That the child wasn't injured?
It's more like in this age of advanced electronics and the internet, you can "ruin" your own life simply by being a low life and it no longer requires a beyond-a-reasonable-doubt standard. You low life-edness is broadcast to a more widespread audience. Then let the chips fall where they may. These fools probably need a Public Relations Consultant more than an attorney.
Don't lump me into any category of people who have the least ounce of affection or appreciation for the scumbag known as Mike Tyson, or professional boxing, or MMA. There I said it. Now I feel cleaner.
CloakNNNdagger
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toronto
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I won't give the Vikings an ounce of credit here. This was sponsors and fear of loss of revenue that spoke. All you had to do was watch Rick Spielman stutter and fumble through business conference to get that the team could have given a ****. This was the face and offensive focal point of their team. Oh and a guy that beat the **** out of his kid and Spielman had seen the "disturbing" pictures but he was still being reinstated.
I'm trying to picture the NFL in the 70s if there had been social media.
I'm trying to picture the NFL in the 70s if there had been social media.
ChampionTexan
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I'm confused by this. Didn't this whole thing start with the concern for the kid, and wasn't CPS and Montgomery County worried about the well being of the kid before there was even any publicity about this, much less money? How does the strong-arming of the Vikings and the NFL by corporate sponsors serve to lessen that in any way shape or form?
Granted, there's been some unsavory behavior on the part of several parties (including whoever leaked the information in the first place), but in what fashion would the well being of the child be better served than it has been?
Yeah at the end of the day these people are...PEOPLE. People have issues of some kind. Nobody is perfect and all those cliches. I will never be surprised what an athlete or entertainer does. I used to think highly of Nolan Ryan back in the day until a girlfriend of mine waited on him in a burger joint in Alvin. He was such an asshole.
Playoffs
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I found it a ch!ckensh!t move for the Wilfs to push their first year head coach Mike Zimmer out in front of the cameras to take bullets intended for the owners, and setting him up to "say the wrong thing" and create public backlash against the coach.
This is an owner matter/decision on policy, not a football coach's. You'd think the owners put Zimmer into the storm as a test balloon -- as if they had a big money public/private stadium project in process and wanted to see how much poo landed on Zim for not abandoning his player before they did same.
Now Wilfs are following public sentiment and the Head Coach is left to mend his reputation.
This is an owner matter/decision on policy, not a football coach's. You'd think the owners put Zimmer into the storm as a test balloon -- as if they had a big money public/private stadium project in process and wanted to see how much poo landed on Zim for not abandoning his player before they did same.
Now Wilfs are following public sentiment and the Head Coach is left to mend his reputation.
xtruroyaltyx
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I've reached a point where I just turn it off when the over-saturation of stories like this is covered by the media. I completely understand your lack of desire to hear it. I turn on the radio or tv to hear about actual football, but that's often not what we are going to see/hear. So, when that happens, I find something better to entertain me.
Of course we do not know what Watt is like in real life. Nobody is claiming anything of the sort.
However, based on the lack of any criminal record and based on the publicly known personae of his regular interactions with fans plus his constant charity work, we can use our critical thinking skill to form a perception based on that foundation. Then you mix that with interviews of those that have known him since he was a child, both family and friends, and you can form a somewhat accurate understanding of a person that is under so much public and media scrutiny.
Unlike you, I do not assume that they are bad guys with good fronts. I just take what we know for what it's worth, and coupled with the long-standing policy of deep background checks by his current employer and their well known policy for not tolerating low character players, I think we can safely assume some basic things about the man's character.
As far as "hero worship", I have no heroes, so not sure what that has to do with me. And I certainly do not worship any human, much less some athlete or entertainer.
Tiger Woods is a good example, but he worked in a sport that has very little scrutiny beyond the wall these guys put up. Not so for a team sport like the NFL, which has a direct employer responsible for the actions of its employees with regards to league repercussions and sponsorship responsibilities. But, honestly, Tiger's transgressions was 'just' infidelity. If he had never gotten married and played the field like Derek Jeter, it would have been a non-story. It's not like the dude was a criminal. Just a bad husband.
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So did mine. My middle school coach used a baseball bat that he had sanded to ~1.5" flat. My Mom & Dad put Bourbon in my formula when I was a baby when I couldn't/wouldn't sleep ( Dr.'s orders for collicky baby). So what? None of that excuses my behavior as an adult.
All of these people coming out of AP's past is the work of Hardin. Media plants, good lawyering.
xtruroyaltyx
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Oh wow...
The NFL and their anti-drunk driving message goes against the reality of thousands of drunk fans leaving stadiums every Sunday during football season.
Money is one helluva' set of blinders.
Money is one helluva' set of blinders.
xtruroyaltyx
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Just heard a snippet from a press conference where some lady was describing an incident with an NFL player where he beat her friend and left a gash on her leg...
WTF is going on...
Edit: it was about Brandon Marshall.
WTF is going on...
Edit: it was about Brandon Marshall.
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Annnnd, Rusty trots out Mom...
http://www.chron.com/neighborhood/w...on-s-mother-defends-NFL-star-says-5762412.php
Some parents have it easy and have kids that never go through any growing pains. If you have a kid that has some growing pains or is just difficult you will do anything to fix the situation. It is so easy for us to judge people and say "I never (insert punishment)" or "if that guy would just (insert punishment)" and assume that it would work. I used to see kids acting like idiots and think "if only their parents would discipline them more". Now I'm a parent. There isn't even a one size fits all with my son. He's been a difficult kid at times and he's only 11. I've spanked him, I've done the "jail tour", I've yelled, grounded, talked, hugged publically scolded him and just about anything else you can think of. I'm sure that some people might look at me and say some of it was abuse. Now going into 6th grade my son is a whole new kid. He's well behaved, polite and respectful. I can't tell you if it is my methods, growing up a little or what, but I wouldn't change what I did. An old supervisor of mine just went and visited his son in jail. He did a lot of the same stuff I did and he told me that he constantly questions if he did things the wrong way. Nobody really knows. As a parent though, you'll do anything you can to fix the situation. If one of those kids holding a sign outside of walmart stops stealing, if that's what he needs and it works then isn't that better than getting thrown in jail? Of course you shouldn't be beating a kid to a pulp, but how can we question every parent's methods? I've seen kids that were coddled turn out to be great kids. I've seen other kids treated the same way be involved in home invasions. I've seen the same thing with kids that got beaten to a pulp at home. I just don't know how anybody that has been a parent can honestly sit there and look at someone that doesn't put their kid in danger and say "that's abuse". I used to look at kids misbehaving in the store and think "I could fix that in one week". No I couldn't.
Just really have a problem with people judging parents methods. The truth is you'll find out if it worked or not about 20-25 years later.
Mike
Just really have a problem with people judging parents methods. The truth is you'll find out if it worked or not about 20-25 years later.
Mike
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
Good post, TM. Like I've said before, it's not the methodology I have issues with. It's the physical damage to a childs body. A welp or a bruise on the butt is all good, but when skin is being broke and blood is seen on a 4 year old is when it'll irk the heck out of me. Kids have a fairly low pain tolerance and if you can't get your point across with a whipping or two then it's on you as a parent.
That said, I agree with most all of your post. Admittedly, I've been guilty more times than not for judging the way people treat their kids in public. I catch myself a majority of the time and continue along with my bidness. The other times...eh, I blame my dad for being an insensitive prick at times
Great post.
It appears to me the east coast/west coast/ knows best when it comes to the use of corpral punishment. Rather than the south/Midwest. Atleast that's what the media wants you to believe.
For me the question is, putting Peterson in jail, taking him away from his son and taking away his earning power really the best thing for his son?
The real problem with Peterson is having so many illegitimate children with so many different women. Those choices are coming back to bite him in the butt. But that's a discussion to have at another time in another thread.
Mr teX
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For me its not even about that, its about the rush to judgement. Like Rice, AP had a fairly good reputation. Then the guy makes 1 huge mistake & if you just awoke out of coma and managed to catch all the media and public opinion backlash you would think both these guys were the axis of evil for all of mankind. The media coverage & twitter bots that feel the need to give their opinion for web hits and followers has gotten so out of hand that once again, the real victim in all of this has been all but forgotten. People & the media really don't realize how this stuff negatively affects more than just the accused....
Meanwhile....turds like George Zimmerman threaten to kill someone for the 3rd time and
TheDrifter
Rookie
Yeah. Peterson's son is really going to suffer because daddy lost his "earning power." Ya know, the guy who has been paid tens of millions of dollars already. Geeez, how will poor ADP ever provide???
The first statement undermines the second statement.
Abusing a child is not a "parenting method". It is straight up criminal and should be prosecuted accordingly.
Our military is not allowed to do that to prisoners of war, so it should go without saying that defenseless children should be afforded the same basic human rights.
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True dat.
When I keep chasing balls amongst cars on Woodway... I'd was picking out a switch.
Repped.
It's really unbelievable the way people will try and justify this level of violence against a child. A 4 year old child. I'm generally not one to tell people straight up they are wrong, but in this case I'll say it simply. Your views are antiquated, backwards and harmful. Thank god you aren't the ones in charge of the laws in this country.
DB had a great point. That kind of abuse is prohibited against for criminals and prisoners of war. To think that a child - a 4 year old - wouldn't be given the same basic rights and protections is unreal to me.
I don't care how beneficial you think it was to you or how bad you think you or your child were/is. You will never convince me that that level of injury is somehow beneficial to a 4 year old. And unlike your anecdotal evidence, there are years of research to support my claim.
I really believe that anyone who is trying to defend Peterson here, given what we know, needs to take a step back and really think why. Who or what are you really defending. Because I can see zero reasons to be behind Peterson in this case.
I also want to point out how idiotic this "one mistake business" is. Laws are laws and punishments are punishments. You don't get 3 strikes. You commit a felony you get punished for it. Peterson has earned 10s of millions of dollars and will comtinue to be paid all season. Take this passion and use it support the segment of society that is actually being damaged by our prison industry.
DB had a great point. That kind of abuse is prohibited against for criminals and prisoners of war. To think that a child - a 4 year old - wouldn't be given the same basic rights and protections is unreal to me.
I don't care how beneficial you think it was to you or how bad you think you or your child were/is. You will never convince me that that level of injury is somehow beneficial to a 4 year old. And unlike your anecdotal evidence, there are years of research to support my claim.
I really believe that anyone who is trying to defend Peterson here, given what we know, needs to take a step back and really think why. Who or what are you really defending. Because I can see zero reasons to be behind Peterson in this case.
I also want to point out how idiotic this "one mistake business" is. Laws are laws and punishments are punishments. You don't get 3 strikes. You commit a felony you get punished for it. Peterson has earned 10s of millions of dollars and will comtinue to be paid all season. Take this passion and use it support the segment of society that is actually being damaged by our prison industry.
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