Heath Shuler
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Adrian Peterson arrested in Houston
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Fake John McClain ‏@FakeJohnMcClain
TimeKiller
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NBA players don't want to live here? I thought Houston was packed full of pro athletes?
Yeah our clubs are terrible. They make you leave at closing time.....Peterson is a big man, I wonder how much alkyhall it takes to sway his sobriety.
Yeah our clubs are terrible. They make you leave at closing time.....Peterson is a big man, I wonder how much alkyhall it takes to sway his sobriety.
Heath Shuler
SPEED KILLS
@espn_nfcnblog:
yep. Especially when the club's GM said in a public statement that AP was "throwing his ego around and making people mad, so they put him in the VIP area."
Just another drunk pro athlete with his head up in the clouds and HPD made his feet touch the ground. But, I'm sure Rusty Hardin will be glad to take his hard earned money and get this absolved.
eriadoc
Texan-American
I'm not sure why this is getting so much chatter. There are no bad cops here. I think they went easy on him. JMO.
The one problem I do have with the story is actually a philosophical one not specific to this story, and that is off-duty police acting with full authority of the police. I have always had an issue with that, but it has no real bearing on this specific story.
The one problem I do have with the story is actually a philosophical one not specific to this story, and that is off-duty police acting with full authority of the police. I have always had an issue with that, but it has no real bearing on this specific story.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Please explain why.
Heath Shuler
SPEED KILLS
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
It's a fineable offense that could easily disappear with some time and quiet behind-the-scenes diplomacy. Rusty gets in front of the cameras & tends to pick fights. ( I've retained him in the past.) There are a number of highly respected local attorneys who would be better suited to making it disappear, imo.
Now, perhaps Rusty will take another tack here. But that's not his usual M.O. He's a good guy to go to trial with.
Heath Shuler
SPEED KILLS
Vikings' Adrian Peterson's dad: Officer used 'vulgar language,' was 'disrespectful'
http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_21036718/vikings-adrian-petersons-dad-officer-used-vulgar-language?source=rss
http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_21036718/vikings-adrian-petersons-dad-officer-used-vulgar-language?source=rss
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
That's the thing - AP may have no intention of a result other than dismissal or trial in which case Rusty is one of the best.
Yankee_In_TX
Dance Lindsay!
I'm guessing the truth is some where in the middle.
AP admits he was drunk.
We all have witnessed off duty cops on power trips.
AP admits he was drunk.
We all have witnessed off duty cops on power trips.
I know Rusty is just doing what he does best, but it reads like B.S. to me.
So Peterson arrived at the club at 1:20 a.m.? And was just minding his own business when a cop started hitting on him? And the club's GM was completely fabricating his drunken belligerence and need to put him in VIP area to keep him away from other customers?
yeah, sounds legit.
So Peterson arrived at the club at 1:20 a.m.? And was just minding his own business when a cop started hitting on him? And the club's GM was completely fabricating his drunken belligerence and need to put him in VIP area to keep him away from other customers?
yeah, sounds legit.
The only people I keep hearing with "AP's version" of the story are his family & lawyer.
AP is claming he got a black eye out of the deal.
Yep, probably along the lines of "Get the **** out!" after he had to ask a second time.
ckhouston
Veteran
fify
ckhouston
Veteran
I know Rusty is just doing what he does best, but it reads like B.S. to me.
So Peterson arrived at the club at 1:20 a.m.? And was just minding his own business when a cop started hitting on him? And the club's GM was completely fabricating his drunken belligerence and need to put him in VIP area to keep him away from other customers?
yeah, sounds legit.
Cops are *******s and the club "GM" is probably also the one making the kickback money off the X and Coke being sold in the bathroom and passing it along to the cop to look the other way.
Yeah, sounds legit.
GP
Go Texans!
Isn't AP's dad an ex-con??? I'd be asking dad to stay quiet, just offer support...we'll handle the legal accusations.
And he's saying cops used vulgar language??? LOL. Well, this isn't kindergarten class...I'm sure an expletive or three was said on many sides.
AP should walk away. He's just causing himself more P.R. trouble by keeping this in the headlines. And the Vikes get their team name in the headlines and stories the whole way too.
Pride. It's a helluva' drug.
And he's saying cops used vulgar language??? LOL. Well, this isn't kindergarten class...I'm sure an expletive or three was said on many sides.
AP should walk away. He's just causing himself more P.R. trouble by keeping this in the headlines. And the Vikes get their team name in the headlines and stories the whole way too.
Pride. It's a helluva' drug.
Stemp
Brew Master
I don't see any redness or swelling around an eye or a facial expression of someone who was beat up. Just the pink cheeks of someone who's been drinking.
Regardless, I hope the bar has cameras that caught whatever did happen but I tend to give the cops the benefit of the doubt since they normally just want everyone to go home so they can also leave.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I have the same misgiving - not specific to this story. I don't see why this power which belongs to everyone is not enough when off duty:
Maybe some tweaks for officers being automatic CHL off-duty, etc.
Supposedly they do have cameras.
Sure generally the cops working security are fine. The very great majority of the time in fact. But, and I am not saying this applies here, every once in a while you get the jackass. For example I was standing at a bar downtown next to a female friend and she started to get into an argument with the bartender. All the sudden I get two hand shoved in the back, whirl and there you go an off-duty but in uniform cop who literally said "what you gonna do?" As far as I am concerned he should have lost all legal protection at that point. If you can't have the professionalism expected of an on-duty officer then you shouldn't have the authority or protection when off-duty.
This is what's so strange about this story. Generally, the cops and bouncers are overly accomodating to athletes while they're out in the clubs in Houston. I've seen them taking pictures, getting autographs, and engaging in casual conversation on many occasions. I was talking to a few friends about how out of character this is on all levels.
Showtime100
Got JJ?
I don't see any redness or swelling around an eye or a facial expression of someone who was beat up. Just the pink cheeks of someone who's been drinking.
I swear I'm not trying to be funny, but the first thing I thought when I saw that pic was Wanda Wayne. I hate to say that, but it was an honest reaction. Get the man a blond wig and he's good to go.
Nelson Peterson got out of prison?
GP
Go Texans!
Link to ESPN The Magazine story, regarding his dad's release from prison (8 year stint) that coincided with a OU-UT game played in Dallas where AP played but his dad couldn't attend due to probation restrictions that forbid him crossing the Texas-Oklahoma state line.
He's been out quite awhile now.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Glad the jobs are there...couldnt survive financially without it. Regular pay is twice as much as regular salary. Holiday rates can be 3-4 times as much. Keep in mind though anything you work is overtime and there is no insurance should there be a problem.
eriadoc
Texan-American
Don't have a problem with the jobs, but police should carry the same authority when they are doing an off duty security job as any other random security guard, i.e., any regular citizen. The companies that hired LEOs for off duty security work under that scenario would still be getting value for their dollar, because security guards in all other ways are a joke. So it really wouldn't impact the jobs part of it, IMO.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
Not sure what "LED's" mean, but I have no problem with "off-duty" HPD officers working extra jobs, especially "in uniform" making a few extra bucks... "Well other than the fact I don't like, nor generally get along with HPD (past experiences/arrests)" but generally respect what they intend to do.
I may on a vary rare occasion be a drunken fool, but continue in your express on serious, violent crimes.... That would be AWESOME!!!
I may on a vary rare occasion be a drunken fool, but continue in your express on serious, violent crimes.... That would be AWESOME!!!
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Im not going to argue the politics of it. Your entitled completly to your perspective. But to me its a win / win for everyone. Officers can make more money, businesses get a necessary service, and more uniformed officers mean more of a deterent for crime as a whole for the community. Try working a bank 2 days after it's been robbed and you can see what a relief it is for some people.
On a personal note my goal in working side jobs is to make a check and not get into sh*t. Agencies routinely punish their officers by suspending their privledge to work extra and make the additional money. Thats why its a bit harder for me to believe these officers went after such a high profile person. I doubt they intentionally went gung ho on ap to prove some point. That doesn't mean they didnt do something wrong or stupid along the way way but I doubt it was ever their original intent. Ive had to chase drunk people out of rented ball rooms before myself and its not the easiest task. The problem usually ends when 1 of 2 things happens:
You explain to them their past the time rented and to stay longer will mean more charges from the business (as in thousands more)
Or
You start unplugging the dj's equipment
That doesn't always work. Drunk people arent always reasonable. You try to be nice and understand people are just having a good time, but a business owner has rights to. Usually theres a staff who needs to clean up and wants to go home as well.
Ultimately, ap is innocent till proven guilty and he'll have his day in court. Fortunately for him, I think he can afford innocence more then the average joe. Must be nice.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
CloakNNNdagger
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From the Star Tribune:
I swear I'm not trying to be funny, but the first thing I thought when I saw that pic was Wanda Wayne. I hate to say that, but it was an honest reaction. Get the man a blond wig and he's good to go.
There was something amusing about that picture that I couldn't quite pinpoint, and you nailed it! Hilarious, man!
This story scream Occam's razor to me. Either multiple people were in on a conspiracy to make Peterson look bad in a misdemeanor arrest, or he was acting the drunken fool. I'll take the path of least resistance. I have little patience for those that can't handle their booze.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I become very skeptical when I hear high-profile attorneys publicly putting out extensive dogmatic statements.
GP
Go Texans!
A man working extra time, to make more money for him and his family????
Of course we can see how this is questionable. I mean, working AT ALL in this country has become taboo...let alone working EXTRA.
That man can go and risk his life and be paid, but if he works an evening event that's relatively safe...then he's over the line! Sometimes I just shake my head at some of the utterly worthless nuanced crap I read on here.
Of course we can see how this is questionable. I mean, working AT ALL in this country has become taboo...let alone working EXTRA.
That man can go and risk his life and be paid, but if he works an evening event that's relatively safe...then he's over the line! Sometimes I just shake my head at some of the utterly worthless nuanced crap I read on here.
I become very skeptical when I hear high-profile attorneys publicly putting out extensive dogmatic statements.
Especially for a mere misdemeanor. It screams "protect my image", because marketing opportunities are a big part of the cash grab these days. God forbid Peterson's squeaky clean image is tarnished by his own goofy actions.
Yeah, go figure. As just a regular member of the public, I have found that treating a cop (on or off duty) with respect usually results in getting respected back 99.9% of the time. Sure cops can be gruff, but jeez, I figure that's just a by-product of dealing with the bottom half of humanity for a job. I'm certainly not going to whine about sand in my vajayjay because he said a curse word. Give me a freakin' break.
CloakNNNdagger
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MSR
The hard to swallow message to Police: I want you around...........except when I don't want you around.
Playoffs
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Yep. I stopped having issues with LEO when I stopped breaking the law. (Funny how that works.) Now I'm friends with HPD/HCSD officers, and I make a point to thank them for standing the line.The hard to swallow message to Police: I want you around...........except when I don't want you around.
Got him for you.
badboy
Hall of Fame
If you use "clubbing" to mean imbibing in intoxicating substance, dragging your feet when told to leave a closing establishment, running your mouth, shoving and deciding to get a "drink of water" after being told to leave (all alleged at this time).
badboy
Hall of Fame
Just curious, why did your female friend get into an arguement with the bartender?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Not sure I remember exactly - I think it was over consolidating a table tab and a bar tab. She was being strident no doubt but all it was just an ordinary raised voices by both parties argument. It was early afternoon and we were having lunch at the Cabo's in downtown.
GP or anyone slapping him on the back for this post please show where anyone has begrudged officers working two jobs or making money?
The only comments I have seen have been about the authority they are permitted to exercise while off-duty which includes working another job or out bird watching.
I think it probably has more to do with other comments that he's seen in other boards or blogs. At least that's what I took from it because I've seen some idiotic posts in other forums. I've seen some people actually question the fact that cops being able to work as a bouncer in a club and having it be a conflict of interest in a sense. That to me is crazy. I've never EVER been intimidated or felt uncomfortable with a cop working in a club except for the time I got a MIP in College Station from a cop working in a club. But he was just doing his job. I wasn't mad at him. I'm friends with 5 HPD officers and all of them work or have worked extra jobs.
One other thing that is intriguing to me is the amount of people that are so sure that Adrian Peterson would never do such a thing. Not comparing OJ Simpson to Peterson, but I'm sure people would have never suspected him of being capable of murder before it happened. I know it blindsided me. I've heard plenty of stories about AD and he's not as squeaky clean as people would love to believe. Doesn't mean he's a bad guy either. Point is people would be amazed at what these guys do behind closed doors. Its easy to hold them to higher standards but at the end of the day they're just like me and you. From all accounts of AD and the people that know him well, he's actually a lot more mellow and reserved now than what he was in HS and OU, but you are who you are. Plenty of nice guys make mistakes and have internal demons.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Uh, do I want to know what an MIP is? Probably just so I can maybe get this image out of my mind.
Minor in Possession (alcohol) Do I even wanna know what it is you were thinking?
eriadoc
Texan-American
Minor In Possession, sounds like.
And yeah ... GP, I have no idea what you're ranting about.
2012Champs
Hall of Fame
How would the subject of her issue with the bartender excuse Cak from getting pushed by the off duty officer?
I'm not sure of the origin of GP's rant. I was just using it to piggy back after reading powda's informative post. I think GP's last line was more from a perspective in general about some of the less-than-positive stories and anti-cop sentiment in the NSZ, but he would have to confirm that to be the case. Like you have said before, though, good cop stories are not really newsworthy so we do not talk about them.
As far as your second point, I have never really thought about it. But, if I was a club owner in need of security, I'd much rather have an HPD officer than some Barney Fife rent-a-cop. I can't speak for their authority on or off duty, but I thought cops were cops 24/7, regardless of on/off job status. That's pure assumption on my part, though, so nothing to support by way of law.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
If I was a club owner I would prefer an officer as well.
I just have concerns over the authority and repercussions. A bouncer has the right to walk you to the door. If you pull your arm away you don't get charged with resisting arrest. A bouncer may chest bump you and you bump him back - it's just a batter and the ump arguing over the plate. Same thing happens with an officer and you may end up with an assaulting an officer charge. I think knowing they have the same power of enforcement encourages a minority of them to act more aggressively. I think them wearing their uniforms alone lends a weight to their instructions.