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Adam Schefter reports Carr will not be leaving Houston
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dirty steve
Veteran
i heard about this on friday when it broke. i think it is just postering on plummer's part to force the broncos hand.
Texans34Life
I BLEED TEXANS!
I hope this is Carr's last chance as a Texan to prove to us he can throw more than 5 yards per down to our Pro Bowl receivers.
I'm getting sick of his dumpoffs.
I'm getting sick of his dumpoffs.
Hulk75
Veteran
He can throw the ball 70 yards, dont you think he would throw it if it called for it? Do you think he likes playing it safe, dont you think he would love to sit back and chuck it, YES! I think it takes a 7 step drop to get a deep ball off, when was the last time you guys saw one?
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
I have never seen Carr throw the ball 70 yards in the air, but I have seen him throw it 55 yards on a rope in someone's bread basket.... (which subsequently was dropped)
NATHANHALE
Waterboy
How many steps does he have to take to throw it 10yds? He doesn't do that much either?
The difference, though, is that you would not make it public that you were listening to offers for AJ.
bluestars87
Practice Squad
Jake Plummer wasn't going to help you guys anyways. At least I don't think so. He'd probably do worse.
TwinSisters
Veteran
Easterbrook said nobody had the scoop but McClain ( and that was just the night or day before )
It was about 5:45 pm the evening before the draft. My wife and I were driving northbound on the West Loop at Bellaire (heading out to see the early Frank Caliendo show at the Improv) when McClain broke in to Rich and Marc's show and spewed the news. I almost drove into a bunch of orange barrels.
Arky
Veteran
Yes, but what if the local media said (started the rumor) that you were looking to trade AJ? And this rumor goes national? As a good GM, you would have to to, at least, answer the phone and listen to what interest there was, no?
I don't believe the Texan FO has ever said they are shopping Carr or looking for a replacement - that's been all media ....
Absolutely. Nobody had a clue until the eve of the Draft.
You can now go on the internet and find historical mocks for the 2006 Draft
with the Texas taking Mario, but I assure you they were all amended after
the fact, no matter what date they list on their mocks.
uhcougar08
SHSUKATS08
If that is the problem with him, which most of us agree, then why are we not focussing on the O-line, and the time they actually give him, instead of bashing his brain for haveing little to no time to throw the ball?
The difference, is that they aren't entertaining offers for Andre Johnson, at least we don't know they are as they never admitted to it.
In my post, I explained how our 5 year starters was having difficulty dropping back, & was working on his footwork in week 7. I understand all QBs work on all aspects of their game at all times of the year... But not on the rudimentary aspects of the position during a game.
Then how he took his first snap from the gun, in week 8, and it didn't look good. I didn't mention that his coach didn't want to see that in a game for another 5 weeks.
There are so many things we can criticize David on his game. He should not be starting on any team in the NFL.
yes, a 7 step drop, or a sidestep, a step-up, an extra step back, a roll out, or a pump fake, or any number of things...
Yes, but what if the local media said (started the rumor) that you were looking to trade AJ? And this rumor goes national? As a good GM, you would have to to, at least, answer the phone and listen to what interest there was, no?
I don't believe the Texan FO has ever said they are shopping Carr or looking for a replacement - that's been all media ....
yeah, but that would be easy. The FO says no way in h-e-double-hockey-sticks do we make a deal for our only playmaker on offense, and a Pro Bowler at that. It would have to be such a blockbuster deal that knocks everyone's socks off to even merit a mention. If the local media started that rumor, they'd have egg on their face(s) in a heartbeat. Information moves quick in the internet age.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
So the question is what does all this mean ?
They could'nt get an offer they liked .
They're trying to sweeten the pot .
They're trying to re do Carr's contract .
You guys who are going yea he's back ... it's not good .
If your wife kicked you out and then said ... I'll take you back I guess cause I did'nt find someone I liked better ... would you view that as a good thing ?
They could'nt get an offer they liked .
They're trying to sweeten the pot .
They're trying to re do Carr's contract .
You guys who are going yea he's back ... it's not good .
If your wife kicked you out and then said ... I'll take you back I guess cause I did'nt find someone I liked better ... would you view that as a good thing ?
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
I hope. This whole thing has been a mess and they are showing people again why they continue to be a joke.
How they are handling this is horrible. This kind of treatment is terrible for Carr, the team and the fans.He has to know they really don't want him but there really isn't anything out there this year.Carr still has a lot of ability but when a team says they are entertaining offers but then say we have always planned to keep Carr it is a bunch of bull. Carr should demand his release or a trade and get the heck out of Houston. There is no sense in a place where you are not wanted or liked. The thing is I like him a lot as a QB but when the team is playing games about your postion on the team it's time to go. The damage has been done to Carr and his family and so there is no way to repair what they have done. For David in knowing all this will he put forth the effort to excell for a staff that really doesn't want you? I wouldn't.
Navy_Chris
Rookie
Hey, whatever gets him outta here is fine with me. David Carr is a poison to this franchise and this city. He doesn't care about wins or losses. All he cares about is all the money he's robbing from the Texans by staying here.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Dude has never done anything to be labeled poison--try looking up Terrell Owens for poison. Really it is rather clownish to start ascribing greed and ill-motivation to players when there is no need or information to support it. Doesn't it suffice to say Carr has proven nothing here and needs to move on rather than over play your hand and try to ascribe bad intentions?
BattleRedToro
Thread Killer
That is a totally baseless accusation.
Navy_Chris
Rookie
I can recount a certain TV interview where Carr said that he didn't care if we won or lost and all that matters is that he's out there playing football.
BattleRedToro
Thread Killer
That isn't true and you know it. Kubiak said they didn't use the shotgun because of the center, at that time I believe it was Hodgdon, not being able to handle it. Kubiak said it had nothing to do with David Carr. You are just repeating false accusations about David Carr's abilities that have been proven to be false in the past in much the same way that Joseph Goebbels did with his anti-semitic propaganda, knowing that if you repeat a lie often enough people will start to believe it. Shame on you.
I wouldn't necessarily use the word poison, but I could see the special treatment David has gotten could get under the collar of some of the more vocal people on this team..... Gary Walker.. Sharper.. Glenn.. WAnd.. & a bunch of other players we let go for what really boils down to no good reason when you think about it.
Of course this is all speculation, I'm just saying I can see how the word "poison" could be used to describe David Carr's affect on this team.
Navy_Chris
Rookie
it's funny how all the non-supporters of DC are no longer on the team. If that doesn't epitomize a guy that's got the FO around his finger, I don't know what does.
BattleRedToro
Thread Killer
I'm not sure if you remember this or not, but there was a time when the Houston Rockets almost traded Hakeem Olajuwon. The story of the Rockets shopping him to other teams was run in the media and the relationship between Olajuwon and the Rockets FO was seriously damaged but ultimately they worked out their differences and later the Rockets won back to back championships. I'm not suggesting that David Carr is somehow equivalent to Olajuwon. I'm only suggesting that despite being mentioned in a possible trade it doesn't mean that the relationship between Carr and the Texans FO has passed the point of no return.
BattleRedToro
Thread Killer
Gary Walker and Glenn were not resigned due to their age. Sharper was a monetary move and Wand was beat out in camp. Nice innuendo, but ultimately a specious arguement.
I was just making that up, I don't know how any of those guys feel about David Carr.
Navy_Chris
Rookie
kinda makes you wonder though. haha.
So you know as afact that they were not Carr supporters or is this another speculation on your part? By the way Sharper was also released by the seahawks earlier in the season and was picked up by the Vikings and they too are believed to be thinking of releasing him as well.
Nighthawk
Rookie
Yeah, I hope it lights a fire under him and burns his sorry a55 to the ground. This is the worst possible news for the Texans.
Simply put, it's pathetic.
If we weren't a laughingstock before this rumor, we will be henceforth.
The ONLY hope is that this is another "clever" ploy to put some air under Carr's value, which seems to be about zero in this league. Don't you guys think that if ANYONE in the league thought Carr was worth a third he'd already be gone?
Of course they're thinking of releasing him.... they might trade their third for Carr... Duh..
I repeat, I made all that stuff up.
Navy_Chris
Rookie
pretty much everything on this board is speculation. i do have my opinions about certain things, though.
dirty steve
Veteran
nobody tells a guy who just spent 1 billion on a franchise what to do. not carr, not rick smith, not gary kubiak, etc.
you ever think sharper and walker arent on the team because of their cap number, injuries, and declining overall game? sharper's biting comments toward carr were a little petty in my opinion. a guy who has a ring and who would usually be counted on to be at least a leader on the defense if nothing else blames it on #8, like carr is the only one who is supposed to sac up.
if you need any proof as to why that sharper and walker arent on the team, check their stats from the 2005 and 2006 seasons. that might have had a little to do with it.
Navy_Chris
Rookie
If I was Sharper and I had a worthless QB in David Carr, I might have said some of those things too. Yes, the franchise did him a disservice by just throwing him into the fire. But, it's time to move on. We can't afford to sit around and let Carr develop under Kubiak. It's already been 5 years.
I just got to know,are you secretly having a man crush on Carr and don't want anyone to know?
SamuraiSword
Waterboy
Now here is a real question.....If we are going to keep Carr, what are we going to do about players on our team that will turn FA in 2008? They see the team only caring about David Carr and seeing the fan base dwindle. Would this cause the players to go elsewhere???
Second Honeymoon
Hall of Fame
Carr has sucked and always will suck. He is a crappy QB. Period. End of story.
Our organization will continue to be a joke as long as we have that primadonna loser behind center. some of you are just too stupid to realize it.
Carr is a loser and always has been. If you are a fan of him, you are probably from California, a family member, a blithering moron or all of the above...*hint hint*
Our organization will continue to be a joke as long as we have that primadonna loser behind center. some of you are just too stupid to realize it.
Carr is a loser and always has been. If you are a fan of him, you are probably from California, a family member, a blithering moron or all of the above...*hint hint*
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
On the bright side, Kubes and Smith know that if they keep Carr the pass protection is going to have to be much, much better. Perhaps next week we'll see some real money spent to sure it up, maybe Pettigout or Steinbach, in addition to at least one first day pick. After all, keeping Carr gives us another 5 million to work with under the cap. Say what you want about Carr but we still don't know how well he'd function under a good offensive line. Maybe we find out this year!
NATHANHALE
Waterboy
We avg less than 2 sacks per game in 11 of 16 games-take away the sacks that Carr made on the year (about 1/3) and Carr was sacked about 27 times, maybe the low 30's--given that David can not work the pocket and has poor mechanics (foot work, arm placement,etc), the OL can only do so much.
What did we get from Carr for the improvement in sacks between '05 to '06? He was worse-11 tds.
Sharper was released by the Seahawks on March 2, 2006 primarily because of a bad knee. He finished the '05 season on IR after playing only 8 games for the Hawks. He hasn't played for anyone since mid-season '05 and he never played for the Vikes (although his brother Darren is their starting SS). Jamie's career as a player is likely finished.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
What did Wand say ? I must have missed it .
Not exactly. We save $5million by cutting David... no trade, no renegotiation, just flat out cut him.
He is scheduled to make something like $5.5million this year, it may be $5.75 million. Then $6million next year. Then you add in the $2million prorated bonus that we have to pay him in the next few days I think(It's $4million spread over the next two years.) and his cap hit will be $7.5million(or $7.75million) in '07, and $8million in '08.
If David is not on this team... whether we trade him, or cut him, we don't have to pay him his salary, and it does not go against the cap. We save money to let him go.
If you sign a Jake Plummer, an expected starter, you're going to have to pay him $5million. I'm thinking something like a $6million contract over 3 years, with a salary of $3million in '07, $4 million in 08, and $6million in 09. His '07 cap hit would be $5million(basically the same money you'd have paid David), his cap hit in '08 will be $6million(again, this is money we already had alotted for a QB, it's the same as David's salary would have been, had we kept him), and h is hit in '09 would be $8 million.
Now, if you think we are spending more money, or taking a bigger cap hit than we would if we kept David, we're not. in '07, our Cap hit for the QB position will be $7.5(or $7.75) million dollars. With Jake, (and my numbers) it will be $7million, we still save $0.5million, or $0.75million to sign Plummer.
In '08, our cap hit with David would be $8 million with Plummer, it will be $8million.
In '09, we don't know what our cap hit will be for the QB position. David's contract doesn't go out that far, and IF we signed Plummer to my deal, it would be $8million, the same as it was for '08. But we might have to throw in a $4 million roster bonus to get Jake to agree, that would make it a $22 million contract, but only $6 million guaranteed. For Jake, I wouldn't go over $6 million guaranteed(well, I wouldn't even go there, but if the Texans do something like that, I wouldn't be too upset.)
THat would be a pretty lucrative contract..... $22million over 3 years.... but only $6 million Guaranteed.
But the bottom line, we save money if David is not a Texan in '07.
Wand didn't say anything. I have no idea how he feels about David. I just threw his name in there, because I can't think of a good reason he was not on this team in '06. He played better than Spencer(IMHO), and at least provided a longer termed solution than Ephraim Salaam could possibly provide.