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Adam Schefter reports Carr will not be leaving Houston

Lucky said:
How awkward would it be for the Texans to bring Carr back, now? It just seems that letting David go would be in the best interests of both parties.

Maybe Kubiak & Smith didn't realize the Broncos would play hardball in obtaining Plummer? Maybe they are content with waiting Shanahan out, with Jake getting an outright release? Plummer already knows the offense, there's no real need to get him in early. I just can't believe that bringing Carr back was the plan entering the offseason.
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Why? Thety could sure up this line and RB deal reall fast this draft and FA..
 
thunderkyss said:
So far, I haven't seen that as a deterrent to any decision that needs to be made yet.
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Kind of interesting news to say the least. We don't know a whole lot about what the Texans are thinking, but you would have to assume that they are finally realizing that the OFFENSIVE LINE has to be considered a weakness. Why do I say that, well I think most would say its obvious, but really age is another big factor. As bad as the line seems to be it is also an aged line.

The QB position with Carr and Sage really has to be the least of their worries when you thing about it. The one thing Carr has been is durable. How many teams in the NFL can look at their QB and say I'm not really too worried about injury. I don't know how many more hits Carr can take, but he has taken a lot and gotten up off of the field.

Our running game and our passing game was suspect most of the season. Many in the NFL point to the O-line and what it is doing. Nobody seems to know what kind of line scheme we are using. Some say is some kine of conventional scheme others say it some form of zone. That seems to be a function of the RB's we have as well as the QB. Kubiak wants to run the ball, but he really doesn't seem to have the kinds of backs he likes.

I personally think last year was a nightmare even though we improved. I believe they really thought DD was coming back and that's what they planned for. When they realized he wasn't it was too late in the game and they had to go forward with what they had and that simply wasn't possible. Strangely the changing from Smith to Casserly is part of the problem, because there simply wasn't a person in place to deal with the problem until Smith came on board. I think FA and the draft will be when we know what direction the TEXANS are going to take. It could be good or it could be bad. This draft is more critical than last year.
 
Double Barrel said:
There's two ways to look at it:

1) This is all smoke screen and mirrors by the Texans, part of the mental games that teams play with each other. Obviously acting like Carr is our starter and would take a good deal to trade him makes his value rise.

2) There is nothing on the market that is a significant improvement over Carr, and nobody is offering us squat for a trade. There is no point in downgrading our QB position when we're taking a cap hit regardless if he's here or not.

I think it's more about the second option, and teams just aren't offering us much right now. Carr will probably be in TC to compete for the starting job, and hopefully with a consistent RB, much improved defense, and Pro Bowl offensive line. We'll need these improvements for Carr to succeed, even according to his most diehard supporters.
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Couldn't agree more with your assessment. Texans are trying to clean up their CAP mess from previous administration. Now they really need AP more then ever if Carr comes back next year to carry the loads.
 
Reddevil63 said:
Obviously he was told something by somebody he trusts that tells him Carr is staying, remember, this is the guy who said Art Shell was going to be fired a month before the season was over.
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Anybody could have seen that coming.
 
The_New_LOD01 said:
Well people, we did all we could to get rid of the loser. Prepare for ANOTHER Carr led losing season.
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The Texans are headed down the wrong path if they keep Carr...

They will lose fan support by the boatload....
 
thunderkyss said:
Besides, until we draft someone of his "pedigree" Carr will be looked at as our "future" as long as he is on the team. Starting someone in front of him doesn't make him a back-up anymore than it makes him our QB being groomed.

I think it will be helpful for him to sit on the sidelines, and experience the game from there. For him to see how another QB handles the situations that he'll have to handle in the future.
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If Carr did sit for a year, it's hard to see a guy who's almost 30 being a QB of the future...but I do agree with all your points. That's why I say...

it would just be better for Carr to start over somewhere else. I think he, and we as a city, now associate ourselves with losing more so than with optimism. I think, unfair or not, David has become the symbol of our team and our mentality. It's not that David CAN'T get it done, it's that neither he nor we BELIEVE that it can get done. I 'feel' like we have a better chance with Sage than we do with David. It gives me hope more so than seeing David Carr version 6.0.

We've 'dated' for so long even though we fell out love years ago. It's only fair sometimes to just breakup and start fresh. I like David - I really do. I think David would be an EXCELLENT backup in this league for another team. However, sometimes it's just best to inhale and rip the bandaid off.

I would absolutely pull for David to do well wherever he goes - I really would. Let's just start fresh, I say.
 
DRAMA said:
We've 'dated' for so long even though we fell out love years ago. It's only fair sometimes to just breakup and start fresh. I like David - I really do. I think David would be an EXCELLENT backup in this league for another team. However, sometimes it's just best to inhale and rip the bandaid off.
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I hate that you feel this way, have you tried couples counseling? :aikido:
 
Wolfiegrrl said:
The biggest thing we all have to remember is that this is our first year without Casserly to f*&^ up our draft. Let us all be patient and see what transpires as the offseason goes along. If nothing else, David has seen the writting on the wall. "Put up or get the hell out." I'm not saying that it's completely fair given what the guy has been through. However, the Front Office is saying under no certain terms, "this is your absolute last chance David." If he really wants to stay here and be a winner, then he'll get his act together. If the FO thinks this will never happen here, I see us trading up to get Peterson but I don't know how far we'll move up. #3 last year got a heck of a lot of money. Can we afford that under the cap?
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Yes, Texans have tried everything to see Carr succeed that includes bringing in Kubiak to teach him the ropes and so far it has not worked out like they had first envisioned so yes this Carr last chance to prove his merit.

Prior to this year, Texans never complained publicly about their player and for the first time this year management came out with their displeasure of Carr performance. Now its time for Carr to either show up and play like he is suppose to or get shipped out next year. Either way I think this will last year for Carr unless he improves dramatically knowing that he will either get cut or traded next off season.
 
macaronitoni said:
If their plan is to draft a QB for the future, Quinn is better than Kolb and will be available with the number 8 pick.
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We already have one Quinn on our team named Carr so why do we need another Quinn on the team. The more you watch Brady Quinn, the more he reminds us of David Carr.

Far better option is to draft Kolb or Stanton in lower rounds then drafting Quinn in first. Use # to draft AP, Okoye, Branch, Anderson or LT.
 
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dbspi said:
Couldn't agree more with your assessment. Texans are trying to clean up their CAP mess from previous administration. Now they really need AP more then ever if Carr comes back next year to carry the loads.
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What if this is to get Crr to re-do his contract .
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
The Texans are headed down the wrong path if they keep Carr...

They will lose fan support by the boatload....
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After speaking with a Houston Texans rep this morning, they said there season ticket renewal is already up from this time last year and their waiting list is growing by the day. As one person leaves there is another to take their place.
 
Adam Schefter is one of the few reporters out there who doesn't throw misleading info out there. I remember him being one of the first people to say that Mario Williams was going to be our guy. Anyway, if this is indeed true then it certainly creates an interesting situation. I think the Texans will now definitely draft a qb relatively high since they don't like the free agent qb bunch out there. I'm not too happy or sad about this decision because it's too early to tell, but I did want to see the Texans add genuine competition at that spot and I don't know if a second or a third round rookie qb will do that. Anyway, it's early still so we don't know what's going to happen. We'll just to wait and see.
 
texanfan2002114 said:
After speaking with a Houston Texans rep this morning, they said there season ticket renewal is already up from this time last year and their waiting list is growing by the day. As one person leaves there is another to take their place.
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From everything I've heard the Texans have never had a problem selling out....

It's getting those people to actually show up to the games where the problem lies...
 
If Carr stays, then I think we can expect a few things to happen:

1. Levi Brown at No. 8...unless a swap in draft position would allow us to still acquire Levi or grab a Branch, Okoye, Nelson, or Landry. Lots of defensive players all bunched up: Landry, Nelson, Okoye, Branch, Adams, Willis, Carriker, etc., that makes it difficult to truly know which of those would be a fit at No. 8 or even a few spots lower for that matter.

2. The temptation to move up for AP, which we will not do.Face it, this team has never made the bold moves in the draft before. Unless moving back up to get Babin is considered a bold move.

There's nobody (in my opinion) that teams lower than us would want to trade up for (to get someone at our No. 8).

Raiders - Jemarcus Russell
Lions - Joe Thomas
Browns - Adrian Peterson
Bucs - Calvin Johnson

After that, the talent is all equal until you get to the middle of the first round, IMO.

There's four guys (listed above) who I consider no-miss star quality players that are going to go 1-2-3-4 one way or another. The Raiders kicked Aaron Brooks to the curb. The Lions are going after Kevin Curtis in addition to having Roy Williams and Mike Furrey locked up, so they do not need Calvin Johnson. The Browns have not had a good running back since......oh, that's right I think his name was Jim Brown--Probably is time for them to get serious about that position. And the Bucs need a big, fast guy at WR to help Clayton and Cadillac with the pressure they faced all last season.

Levi Brown might not last until No. 8, now that I think about it some more.

Should be interesting.

Would Kubiak be bold enough to move up to No. 3 to get AP?

Would Kubiak be prudent enough to trade DOWN and get an extra pick?

Will he stay at No. 8 and just take BPA no matter what?

Should be interesting to see how it all works out.
 
From a Kirwan article on nfl.com...

"1. A team in the top 14 spots in the draft could trade down close to the 15th spot, pick up an extra pick or two and then trade for Schaub and get the other players they need with the extra picks. Keep in mind, Schaub would have to negotiate a long-term deal with a new club. I'm not sure the Falcons will ever trade Schaub, but if a team calls with a pick close to No. 15, they might sit up and listen. I wonder if teams like Minnesota, Houston or Miami would consider this idea?"


link: http://www.nfl.com/combine/story/10023456


Sounds like a good deal to me. Heck, how many of us would trade to pick No. 10 and do this deal?

Makes me wonder if we (A) Passed on the Snake and removed ourselves from the bidding, (B)"We're Happy With Carr", and (C) Oh, by the way: We're working out a deal for Schaub that nets us a QB and an extra pick.

We opted out of the Plummer bidding very quickly, IMO.

Is there something else "in the mix?"

Hmmmmm...........
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
The Texans are headed down the wrong path if they keep Carr...

They will lose fan support by the boatload....
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That's not uncommon for houston sports fans. i mean look at what the rockets are doing & nobody's even talking about them & they're the only team to win a championship here besides the Comets & Aeros.
 
Ibar_Harry said:
Kind of interesting news to say the least.

I personally think last year was a nightmare even though we improved. I believe they really thought DD was coming back and that's what they planned for. When they realized he wasn't it was too late in the game and they had to go forward with what they had and that simply wasn't possible.
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So you believe a different RB would have had better success than the backs we've had behind the same line...... but no QB could have fared better, even though most, including most on this site believe DDW to only be slightly above avg, if any at all......

interesting indeed.
 
Personally, I think DDW, overachieved. We got more out of him than expected. I thank him for that, but in no way should he have been thought of to be the long-term answer at RB. He was drafted to be a 3rd down type of back and return kicks anything else he gave us (yes I used past tense) was gravy....
 
aj. said:
One way to keep Carr's value up is for Rick and Gary to do exactly what they are doing. It's possible that they are being totally honest and forthcoming with the media, and may decide to keep Carr. But it's also quite possible that Carr is just as available as he was a month ago (if he ever was).

A couple of things I've learned not to do at the end of February is put too much stock in combine numbers or rumor mills.
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Agreed generally about not making too much out of news this soon, but this is also where the FO would feel that, in order to generate support for Carr and get him focused on playing here next year, they would come out publicly with their decision now.

Once again I laugh at all of the "we won't have any more fans" laments that are already starting up. Once again I reiterate that winning produces fans like humping rabbits and that losing is what kills them off. If our team plays well our stadium will be full and if they do not it will not. I didn't see the Bears' attendance drop off despite Rex Grossman sucking far far worse. For all of the belly aching about passing on Reggie Bush last year no one in Houston has breathed a peep about him in months. Few if any "fans" outside of Austin alum in the month of February were saying squat about how urgently we needed to draft Vince Young until his team started winning as proof of how great he was.

Truth remains now just as it did several months ago that there just aren't any viable decisions to be made this off season that involve dealing Carr. No sure-thing FAs or draft picks that fit long term given their price tag. It's laughable that people think Carr "costs too much for the investment" and yet want to cut/trade him, eat his bonus money, and overpay some other 32+ year old vet in the FA for 1-2 years until we put him out to pasture too and are back to square one. We simply do not now possess the team talent to go foraging for modest upgrades at QB at high cost.

We'll enter camp allowing Sage or some second-day draft pick to fight for the job but we're not going to spend big money when we have too many other bigger needs elsewhere. Too much money spent for too little return and I'd guess that the coaches still think he gets one more year to demonstrate sufficient improvement while we spend 07 looking to improve other positions. Petey Faggins single-handedly lost the Buffalo game and gave up killer big play after killer big play all year long--I have seen zero "cut Petey" threads. Our interior DL was made out of play-doh, our OL still haphazard and only getting older, our safeties utterly useless in even zone deep coverage, our linebackers outside of DeMeco listless, our number one pick putting together a good year before being slowed by injury ... but of course David Carr is the face of every failure in the quarterbacks-are-the-only-position-on-a-losing-team world of the message board fans.
 
Mr teX said:
That's not uncommon for houston sports fans. i mean look at what the rockets are doing & nobody's even talking about them & they're the only team to win a championship here besides the Comets & Aeros.
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The ranking of sport teams that are important to the city of Houston are as follows:

Football

Baseball

Everything else
 
Lucky said:
How awkward would it be for the Texans to bring Carr back, now? It just seems that letting David go would be in the best interests of both parties.
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Hulk75 said:
Why?...
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Well, I think once a player sees he's on the market, it's best to go ahead and trade him. Especially the QB. He has to be the leader of the offense, and being placed on the trading block undermines that role. You want a guy out there who doesn't have to worry about making a mistake else he gets pulled. I think it's time for Kubiak to have a QB he trusts and Carr to go to a team that trusts him.
 
jerek said:
Agreed generally about not making too much out of news this soon, but this is also where the FO would feel that, in order to generate support for Carr and get him focused on playing here next year, they would come out publicly with their decision now.

Once again I laugh at all of the "we won't have any more fans" laments that are already starting up. Once again I reiterate that winning produces fans like humping rabbits and that losing is what kills them off. If our team plays well our stadium will be full and if they do not it will not. I didn't see the Bears' attendance drop off despite Rex Grossman sucking far far worse. For all of the belly aching about passing on Reggie Bush last year no one in Houston has breathed a peep about him in months. Few if any "fans" outside of Austin alum in the month of February were saying squat about how urgently we needed to draft Vince Young until his team started winning as proof of how great he was.

Truth remains now just as it did several months ago that there just aren't any viable decisions to be made this off season that involve dealing Carr. No sure-thing FAs or draft picks that fit long term given their price tag. It's laughable that people think Carr "costs too much for the investment" and yet want to cut/trade him, eat his bonus money, and overpay some other 32+ year old vet in the FA for 1-2 years until we put him out to pasture too and are back to square one. We simply do not now possess the team talent to go foraging for modest upgrades at QB at high cost.

We'll enter camp allowing Sage or some second-day draft pick to fight for the job but we're not going to spend big money when we have too many other bigger needs elsewhere. Too much money spent for too little return and I'd guess that the coaches still think he gets one more year to demonstrate sufficient improvement while we spend 07 looking to improve other positions. Petey Faggins single-handedly lost the Buffalo game and gave up killer big play after killer big play all year long--I have seen zero "cut Petey" threads. Our interior DL was made out of play-doh, our OL still haphazard and only getting older, our safeties utterly useless in even zone deep coverage, our linebackers outside of DeMeco listless, our number one pick putting together a good year before being slowed by injury ... but of course David Carr is the face of every failure in the quarterbacks-are-the-only-position-on-a-losing-team world of the message board fans.
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Very well said!
 
Lucky said:
Well, I think once a player sees he's on the market, it's best to go ahead and trade him. Especially the QB. He has to be the leader of the offense, and being placed on the trading block undermines that role. You want a guy out there who doesn't have to worry about making a mistake else he gets pulled. I think it's time for Kubiak to have a QB he trusts and Carr to go to a team that trusts him.
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Uh, what about the Astros and Roy Oswalt? That sort of worked out did it not? DC is not the only NFL player who was on trading block one time or another.
 
Lucky said:
Well, I think once a player sees he's on the market, it's best to go ahead and trade him. Especially the QB. He has to be the leader of the offense, and being placed on the trading block undermines that role. You want a guy out there who doesn't have to worry about making a mistake else he gets pulled. I think it's time for Kubiak to have a QB he trusts and Carr to go to a team that trusts him.
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Sure, but was he ever truly on the market? The media can speculate all they want and report something as a fact. While we're on the subject, wasn't Reggie Bush supposed to be signed by us last year? Unless I'm missing something in the way of fact reporting on this saga?
 
texanfan2002114 said:
After speaking with a Houston Texans rep this morning, they said there season ticket renewal is already up from this time last year and their waiting list is growing by the day. As one person leaves there is another to take their place.
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I am beginning to think that this is a cut and paste response every season, part of the standard operating procedure for the organization. Never let anyone see your weaknesses kind of deal.

But I guess only time will tell if 2007 home games are shown in Houston. :secret:

xtruroyaltyx said:
From everything I've heard the Texans have never had a problem selling out....

It's getting those people to actually show up to the games where the problem lies...
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yeah, there were only about 10,000-20,000 by the end of some of our games, and not much more at the beginning of some of them, too.

I still can't figure out the folks that actually pay for these games and then blow off even bothering to go. It's kinda'....goofy, IMHO.

jerek said:
Petey Faggins single-handedly lost the Buffalo game and gave up killer big play after killer big play all year long--I have seen zero "cut Petey" threads.
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Well, we were still in the game with 9 seconds left on the game clock. Richard Smith admitted to blowing the call, pulling a safety out for a four man front. It was a stupid decision on his part, and he has publicly accepted the responsibility and blame for blowing the call. I think Smith's admission let Petey off the hook (which was also two more blown calls at the beginning of the game).
 
jerek said:
Once again I laugh at all of the "we won't have any more fans" laments that are already starting up. Once again I reiterate that winning produces fans like humping rabbits and that losing is what kills them off.
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You make it sound like it isn't possible for fans to stop supporting a team...Sure winning brings fans, but first you have to win....


We don't have very many fans to begin with...

Once people find out that David is staying, it'll turn even more fans off from the Texans.....

If they keep David and basically say damned be the fans and everyone else, and still lose, they risk becoming the Atlanta Hawks of football.


Sure if we win it'll bring out more fans, but IMHO they're going to have to win pretty big for that to happen....8-8 or even 9-7 isn't going to cut it for the casual fan....
 
Double Barrel said:
Well, we were still in the game with 9 seconds left on the game clock. Richard Smith admitted to blowing the call, pulling a safety out for a four man front. It was a stupid decision on his part, and he has publicly accepted the responsibility and blame for blowing the call. I think Smith's admission let Petey off the hook (which was also two more blown calls at the beginning of the game).
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Richard Smith is a topic for another thread but I've seen Faggins get scorched too many times to blame Smith for his poor play in general. He's slow of foot and slow of mind when it comes to anticipating routes or balls. I thought D-Rob looked half-ass a lot this year but it seemed that opposing quarterbacks and coordiators deliberately and repeatedly targeted Faggins. He should never see the field as anything more than a dime and I would've personally tried to work with Buchanon but we'll never quite know that story.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
You make it sound like it isn't possible for fans to stop supporting a team...Sure winning brings fans, but first you have to win....

We don't have very many fans to begin with...

Once people find out that David is staying, it'll turn even more fans off from the Texans.....

If they keep David and basically say damned be the fans and everyone else, and still lose, they risk becoming the Atlanta Hawks of football.

Sure if we win it'll bring out more fans, but IMHO they're going to have to win pretty big for that to happen....8-8 or even 9-7 isn't going to cut it for the casual fan....
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You basically answered your own question while affirming my idea. It isn't the job of any FO to pander to fan demand for personnel decisions. It is the job of a FO who wants a revitalized fanbase to construct a winning team. The salary cap is also a reality of business in the NFL and I just don't expect or ask for the Texans to hamstring themselves financially this season to shut up a malcontent minority of the fanbase for a few months when I'd rather them invest in what they believe will most efficiently generate wins, which makes fans of all types feel better. Hell, I might not even mind hamstringing ourselves financially if there was an obviously dramatically better prospect at QB available, but there's not even that.

Healthy PR in general is of course important but you are overstating its relation to basic personnel decisions. Sure if Bob McNair got on TV tonight and flipped us all the bird and said to hell with what any Houston Texan fan thinks, I don't need any of you, then yes, that would certainly sour fan reception. However next time he is on TV it will be to endorse his second-year coach and GM and his belief in their decisions. The Atlanta Hawks are the "Atlanta Hawks" because they suck year after year--unless you are suggesting for some reason they suck because they do not have fan support. The NBA in particular is a poor example with which to make your case as only the best teams consistently sell out and some of the very best players routinely play for half-attendance because their teams and thus their W-L records are lousy.
 
jerek said:
Sure, but was he ever truly on the market?
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When a GM admits to the local rag that he's talking turkey with others teams about the starting QB...yeah, he's on the market. If the Texans could pry Plummer out of Denver, I think Carr would be well out the door.

It's laughable to me for people to suggest that Smith & Kubiak can generate trade value for Carr. Either he has value, or he doesn't. And there's nothing they can do to change that. Five years ago, Carr may not have been a Ferrari, but he was a least a Porsche. Now, he's a Porsche that's been rolled over the pavement 249 times. There may be teams that want to check under the hood and see if he's a fixer-upper. But, he's not going to get bluebook value in return.

What boggles my mind is why would Carr want to comeback to the Texans. The GM and the coach have been coy about his status. They supposedly allowed him to play with the aftereffects of a concussion over the last 5 games. There still isn't a solid offensive line, yet. Or enough weapons to attack a defense. And, he's taken the brunt of the fans' criticism for the Texans dismal record over the past 5 years. If it were myself, I'd want out.
 
jerek said:
The salary cap is also a reality of business in the NFL and I just don't expect or ask for the Texans to hamstring themselves financially this season to shut up a malcontent minority of the fanbase for a few months when I'd rather them invest in what they believe will most efficiently generate wins, which makes fans of all types feel better.
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I totally understand this POV from a F.O. perspective...


But as a fan the salary implications, and who the coaching staff thinks is a good enough player don't mean much anymore...

We've had 5 losing seasons....enough is enough...

It's obvious they don't think Carr is that great a player or they wouldn't have publicly announced he was on the trading block so therefore the theory about them thinking he's the player to "most efficiently generate wins" is out the window IMO. So therefore the only reason they'd keep Carr is because (A) no one wants him at the asking price, or (B) Salary concerns....

I don't believe choice (A), and choice (B) upsets me as a fan.


I have a question for you though.

If they have already publicly announced that they weren't happy with a players production on the field, let it be known he was on the trading block and less than a month and a half later announce they are keeping him, what do you think that means ?
 
jerek said:
Richard Smith is a topic for another thread but I've seen Faggins get scorched too many times to blame Smith for his poor play in general. He's slow of foot and slow of mind when it comes to anticipating routes or balls. I thought D-Rob looked half-ass a lot this year but it seemed that opposing quarterbacks and coordiators deliberately and repeatedly targeted Faggins. He should never see the field as anything more than a dime and I would've personally tried to work with Buchanon but we'll never quite know that story.
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I do not disagree with you, but my post was written for your specific example. On that particular play, for that particular game, Smith accepted the blame.

Besides, if the defensive coordinator is going to leave a suspect DB by his lonesome on back to back TD bombs, then I'd say that coaching should have made better playcalling decisions based upon known evaluation of said player.
 
jerek said:
Agreed generally about not making too much out of news this soon, but this is also where the FO would feel that, in order to generate support for Carr and get him focused on playing here next year, they would come out publicly with their decision now.

Once again I laugh at all of the "we won't have any more fans" laments that are already starting up. Once again I reiterate that winning produces fans like humping rabbits and that losing is what kills them off. If our team plays well our stadium will be full and if they do not it will not. I didn't see the Bears' attendance drop off despite Rex Grossman sucking far far worse. For all of the belly aching about passing on Reggie Bush last year no one in Houston has breathed a peep about him in months. Few if any "fans" outside of Austin alum in the month of February were saying squat about how urgently we needed to draft Vince Young until his team started winning as proof of how great he was.

Truth remains now just as it did several months ago that there just aren't any viable decisions to be made this off season that involve dealing Carr. No sure-thing FAs or draft picks that fit long term given their price tag. It's laughable that people think Carr "costs too much for the investment" and yet want to cut/trade him, eat his bonus money, and overpay some other 32+ year old vet in the FA for 1-2 years until we put him out to pasture too and are back to square one. We simply do not now possess the team talent to go foraging for modest upgrades at QB at high cost.

We'll enter camp allowing Sage or some second-day draft pick to fight for the job but we're not going to spend big money when we have too many other bigger needs elsewhere. Too much money spent for too little return and I'd guess that the coaches still think he gets one more year to demonstrate sufficient improvement while we spend 07 looking to improve other positions. Petey Faggins single-handedly lost the Buffalo game and gave up killer big play after killer big play all year long--I have seen zero "cut Petey" threads. Our interior DL was made out of play-doh, our OL still haphazard and only getting older, our safeties utterly useless in even zone deep coverage, our linebackers outside of DeMeco listless, our number one pick putting together a good year before being slowed by injury ... but of course David Carr is the face of every failure in the quarterbacks-are-the-only-position-on-a-losing-team world of the message board fans.
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Good post, Jerek. I have 1 concern about the competition 'scenario' amongst the qbs, including Carr. As others posters have noted, Carr is a very good 'practice' qb when he has no pressure or decision making.-yet, even in most of the pre-season games he doesn't show much. Bottom line,I'm wondering how the 'competition' will be set up and evaluated.

You monitored training camp last year and passed on some great info, so what do you think-- is training camp going to be a fair scenario for picking our starting QB. We all know the actual pre-season games don't offer much-if they did, Porter would have been the starter going into '06 and Carr would have been cut...thanks.

JMO, but if Carr is here in "07, it won't take much by the coaching staff to put him in a position to beat others out and start. Back-up? That makes no sense--what would David offer (especially to another team) as a BU that he doesn't as a starter to be effective?
 
jerek said:
You basically answered your own question while affirming my idea. It isn't the job of any FO to pander to fan demand for personnel decisions. It is the job of a FO who wants a revitalized fanbase to construct a winning team. The salary cap is also a reality of business in the NFL and I just don't expect or ask for the Texans to hamstring themselves financially this season to shut up a malcontent minority of the fanbase for a few months when I'd rather them invest in what they believe will most efficiently generate wins, which makes fans of all types feel better. Hell, I might not even mind hamstringing ourselves financially if there was an obviously dramatically better prospect at QB available, but there's not even that.

Healthy PR in general is of course important but you are overstating its relation to basic personnel decisions. Sure if Bob McNair got on TV tonight and flipped us all the bird and said to hell with what any Houston Texan fan thinks, I don't need any of you, then yes, that would certainly sour fan reception. However next time he is on TV it will be to endorse his second-year coach and GM and his belief in their decisions. The Atlanta Hawks are the "Atlanta Hawks" because they suck year after year--unless you are suggesting for some reason they suck because they do not have fan support. The NBA in particular is a poor example with which to make your case as only the best teams consistently sell out and some of the very best players routinely play for half-attendance because their teams and thus their W-L records are lousy.
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There is only one reason I can see for The Atlanta Falcons drafting Michael Vick, and then continue to trot him out there as their starter..... & that's to appease fans. Most people believe he is not the best QB on that team, and does not give his team the best chance of winning.

I understand what you are saying, but that club that made that decision is closer to winning than we are. Of course being in the NFC is a big part of that.

I cannot see how the Houston Texans can continue to tell us that David Carr is the best thing we can find as a QB solution. He doesn't look ready.... I just finished watching the first Jacksonville game, and while I agree it was a good game for Carr, you can easily see he was still having trouble with his footwork/rhythm/timing as he dropped back... We're talking about week 7 here. Then the next week against the Titans, the first time he took a snap from the gun, you can see how uncomfortable he is, and how off his timing is, and through every game of the year, it takes him at least three Qtrs before he gets his rhythm, before he can "settle down"", and that's only if we have a lead.

IF David's going to be on this team..... & if David is going to start... then that's fine, but don't say that we are trying to win, and that winning will put butts in the seats.

If David is our starting QB(& I know you didn't say that David will start), but if David is our starting QB, then winning is not the Texans highest priority.
 
jerek said:
The Atlanta Hawks are the "Atlanta Hawks" because they suck year after year--unless you are suggesting for some reason they suck because they do not have fan support.
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I was only using the Atlanta Hawks as an example of perpetual losers.

However, I do think that a lack of fans, and lack of winning atmosphere breeds contempt for losing.
 
Lucky said:
When a GM admits to the local rag that he's talking turkey with others teams about the starting QB...yeah, he's on the market. If the Texans could pry Plummer out of Denver, I think Carr would be well out the door.

It's laughable to me for people to suggest that Smith & Kubiak can generate trade value for Carr. Either he has value, or he doesn't. And there's nothing they can do to change that. Five years ago, Carr may not have been a Ferrari, but he was a least a Porsche. Now, he's a Porsche that's been rolled over the pavement 249 times. There may be teams that want to check under the hood and see if he's a fixer-upper. But, he's not going to get bluebook value in return.

What boggles my mind is why would Carr want to comeback to the Texans. The GM and the coach have been coy about his status. They supposedly allowed him to play with the aftereffects of a concussion over the last 5 games. There still isn't a solid offensive line, yet. Or enough weapons to attack a defense. And, he's taken the brunt of the fans' criticism for the Texans dismal record over the past 5 years. If it were myself, I'd want out.
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I would think a lot about wanting out myself.

I read that article and it sounded like the Texans were entertaining offers for Carr, not actively shopping him around. I'd listen to offers for Andre Johnson but that doesn't mean I deliberately want or plan on him being gone one way or the other.
 
thunderkyss said:
If David is our starting QB(& I know you didn't say that David will start), but if David is our starting QB, then winning is not the Texans highest priority.
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Not necessarily. It simply may mean that the fans and the Texans organization have different opinions on the path to building a winning team.
 
QB75 said:
Not necessarily. It simply may mean that the fans and the Texans organization have different opinions on the path to building a winning team.
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Well they sure are using the path less traveled.
 
I for one agree with the front office's assesment.

There is noone out there that we can be sure of being an immediate upgrade to Carr.
 
Wasn't Schefter the same guy saying that we were going to pick Bush instead of Mario and ended up looking like a jackass?
 
Texans34Life said:
Wasn't Schefter the same guy saying that we were going to pick Bush instead of Mario and ended up looking like a jackass?
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I beleive someone in this thread earlier said that they had remembered Schefter was one of the very few guys that called the Texans picking Mario Williams.

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It was Nawzer on Page 4 - #70.... Nawzer, do you have a link, or is it something you just remembered him saying?? Thanks.
 
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