Accountability

[EVOLVIST]

kubiak is lenient to schaub because he lives vicariously through schaub.

He sees himself in schaub, a guy who never got a chance to start becasue of elway. He's now making up for it with schaub, another glorified back up. He invested a lot of time in him, and he doesnt want to give up on him because it means that he's giving up on himself in some sick delusional psychological way.

I don't know about "sick" and/or "delusional, because psychologically this pattern fits within the normal realm of human behavior. In other words, this hypothesis wouldn't be an overt psychosis from Gary Kubiak - merely a microcosm of what we've all experienced from time to time, only, in this case, commiserate to a higher level of public scrutiny.

I've been saying this for years that Kubiak's backup QB mentality has been hurting this team via Matt Schaub. So, I think your point is extremely valid.

To that end, Gary has the capability to get it done, and probably lead this team to a Super Bowl, but only if he can somehow acquire a QB that doesn't fit his mold - to get out of Gary's comfort zone - someone that Gary can only shape so much, in all the right ways. Instead, this yet-to-be-named young QB negates the need for Gary to infuse his own shortcomings into him, because he's more talented than Gary ever was.

I think Gary could except that. It's just that he made a good call with Schuab, had initial success, but like Robert Zimmerman, "The Times They Are a-Changin'." Whether Gary adapts or not is a different story. If he can, he should be golden. If not, he's done.

 

[Trail.Blazr]

I don't know about "sick" and/or "delusional, because psychologically this pattern fits within the normal realm of human behavior. In other words, this hypothesis wouldn't be an overt psychosis from Gary Kubiak - merely a microcosm of what we've all experienced from time to time, only, in this case, commiserate to a higher level of public scrutiny.

I've been saying this for years that Kubiak's backup QB mentality has been hurting this team via Matt Schaub. So, I think your point is extremely valid.

To that end, Gary has the capability to get it done, and probably lead this team to a Super Bowl, but only if he can somehow acquire a QB that doesn't fit his mold - to get out of Gary's comfort zone - someone that Gary can only shape so much, in all the right ways. Instead, this yet-to-be-named young QB negates the need for Gary to infuse his own shortcomings into him, because he's more talented than Gary ever was.

I think Gary could except that. It's just that he made a good call with Schuab, had initial success, but like Robert Zimmerman, "The Times They Are a-Changin'." Whether Gary adapts or not is a different story. If he can, he should be golden. If not, he's done.

My money is on not. If Gary has proven one thing, he's consistent. I'll bet you this week's mentality is just like the week's past... Aw Shucks Matt, your our guy. Don't worry about last week... That's on me. Go on out there, and do your best. We all need to play better and doggonit, we will! Let's, instead focus on fixing the real problems we have.... Defense.

 

[2012Champs]

If you were a manager in charge of a group of people and there were 32 other managers just like you how many of you would expect to be fired if all teams had the same budget, rules and objects and you outperformed 68% of them?

 

[Runner]

If you were a manager in charge of a group of people and there were 32 other managers just like you how many of you would expect to be fired if all teams had the same budget, rules and objects and you outperformed 68% of them?

Please clarify. Am I being paid millions to be the absolute best in an extremely competitve industry, or am I making a normal salary in an industry where average performance is acceptable?

 

[2012Champs]

Please clarify. Am I being paid millions to be the absolute best in an extremely competitve industry, or am I making a normal salary in an industry where average performance is acceptable?

Wouldnt it all be relative? All 32 coaches would be in the same payband. As a manager to me comp would be irrelevant in evaluating the 32 people if they had the same objects, rules and budget.

 

[Runner]

Wouldnt it all be relative? All 32 coaches would be in the same payband. As a manager to me comp would be irrelevant in evaluating the 32 people if they had the same objects, rules and budget.

No it isn't relative. In many normal jobs being average is ok. In the NFL, a coach that goes 8-8 year after year would not be seen as doing an adequate job.

 

[2012Champs]

No it isn't relative. In many normal jobs being average is ok. In the NFL, a coach that goes 8-8 year after year would not be seen as doing an adequate job.

It is relative to the subset of the 32 employees who are paid to be the head coaches. It is also realtive that none of those 32 are normal paying while others are making 20MM. It is relatvie to that subset of employees and their given rolls. Are we talking about 8-8 now or performing better than 68% of your peers?

 

[Runner]

It is relative to the subset of the 32 employees who are paid to be the head coaches. It is also realtive that none of those 32 are normal paying while others are making 20MM. It is relatvie to that subset of employees and their given rolls. Are we talking about 8-8 now or performing better than 68% of your peers?

I used 50% to make the example clearer. Would you think a 50% coach is doing Ok?

Let's look at that 68%. Some would argue that the Texans have better talent than 75% of the league. In that case 68% is under performing.

Kubiak has had this job longer than most head coaches. He has had more time to get things exactly as he wants them. 68% is the best he can do?

As an aside, what does the 68% represent; what did you use to rank the coaches? If we are going to dig into the numbers that would be good to know

 

[2012Champs]

I used 50% to make the example clearer. Would you think a 50% coach is doing Ok?

Let's look at that 68%. Some would argue that the Texans have better talent than 75% of the league. In that case 68% is under performing.

Kubiak has had this job longer than most head coaches. He has had more time to get things exactly as he wants them. 68% is the best he can do?

As an aside, what does the 68% represent; what did you use to rank the coaches? If we are going to dig into the numbers that would be good to know

A coach going 8-8 may be okay and it may not it certainly depends on many factors. Like the Texans making it to the second round of the playoffs despite the loss of Schaub, Johnson and Williams. On an adjusted basis I would say that was well overperforming. Making it to the second round of the playoffs puts your team's performance besting 68.75% of the league. The level of talent on the team is better ranked by folks who do this for a living rather than fans. Also the expectations and how things run are probably better handled by McNair as a bussiness man vs random fans.

 

[Runner]

So the 68% was based on one year's playoff results.

Kubiak's average record per season is 8.4 wins and 7.6 losses. His Texans average a 2.5 finish in a 4 team division. I question the 68% value. It looks more like 50% to me.

You will offer an opinion on Kubes as a coach, but you leave evaluating player talent to the experts. Hard to have a discussion about our opinions if our opinions are rejected because we aren't experts.

 

[2012Champs]

So the 68% was based on one year's playoff results.

Kubiak's average record per season is 8.4 wins and 7.6 losses. His Texans average a 2.5 finish in a 4 team division. I question the 68% value. It looks more like 50% to me.

You will offer an opinion on Kubes as a coach, but you leave evaluating player talent to the experts. Hard to have a discussion about our opinions if our opinions are rejected because we aren't experts.

I actually offered no opinion on Gary as a coach but rather asked a question. FWIW the 68% value would apply for the last two years one of which came to a close before he and rick got their extension. Have all the opinions that you wish but know your(fans) opinions are heavily clouded by emotions

 

[Come On Breh]

kubiak has 2 first round wins, 2 division titles in 7 years as head coach.

marciano fields poor to mediocre special teams for a solid decade.

schaub has as brought the team as many playoff wins and as far as TJ Yates has.

there is no accountability.

This is a deeply rooted Institutional Problem.

 

[2012Champs]

kubiak has 2 first round wins, 2 division titles in 7 years as head coach.

marciano fields poor to mediocre special teams for a solid decade.

schaub has as brought the team as many playoff wins and as far as TJ Yates has.

there is no accountability.

This is a deeply rooted Institutional Problem.

The playoff win stat line between tj and matt is a joke. TJ would have zero wins if it wasnt for Matt setting the season up.

 

[Runner]

I actually offered no opinion on Gary as a coach but rather asked a question. FWIW the 68% value would apply for the last two years one of which came to a close before he and rick got their extension. Have all the opinions that you wish but know your(fans) opinions are heavily clouded by emotions

For a while there I thought we had an interesting discussion going. Falling back on "we aren't experts so our opinions don't matter" kills that. (I bet you do think your opinions on football have some value though, right?)

But I will agree with your conclusion. If you cherry pick Kubiak's two best years and use the criteria you chose, only 8 coaches (one third of the league, two whole divisions worth) were better than him.

 

[2012Champs]

For a while there I thought we had an interesting discussion going. Falling back on "we aren't experts so our opinions don't matter" kills that. (I bet you do think your opinions on football have some value though, right?)

But I will agree with your conclusion. If you cherry pick Kubiak's two best years and use the criteria you chose, only 8 coaches (one third of the league, two whole divisions worth) were better than him.

My opinions have zero value in terms of running a football team. I do however have a lot of background managing large numbers of employees and performing performance reviews.


Im not sure how you would claim I cherry picked Gary's two best season as they are the last two completed and in between those two he got the extension. This thread is about accountability and after his best season the HC got an extension and he followed that season up with two more wins and another playoff victory.

 

[Runner]

My opinions have zero value in terms of running a football team. I do however have a lot of background managing large numbers of employees and performing performance reviews.


Im not sure how you would claim I cherry picked Gary's two best season as they are the last two completed and in between those two he got the extension. This thread is about accountability and after his best season the HC got an extension and he followed that season up with two more wins and another playoff victory.

He also got extended after a couple of 8-8 and a 9-7 season. What was his rating at that time based on your playoff success criteria? I'd think low since he didn't make the playoffs. He did follow that up with a 6-10 season though. I submit that as an example of no accountability.

 

[2012Champs]

He also got extended after a couple of 8-8 and a 9-7 season. What was his rating at that time based on your playoff success criteria? I'd think low since he didn't make the playoffs. He did follow that up with a 6-10 season though. I submit that as an example of no accountability.

It depends on your viewpoint. Long term if you went from 8-8 and 3 seasons later won a playoff game thats fairly good progress I would think. If you continued your 8-8, 9-7 or 7-9 ways maybe that would be a lack of accountability. If one of your employees goes from an average performer and improves most years that is a good job of managing not a lack of accountability

8-8
8-8
9-7
6-10
10-6
12-4

 

[Runner]

It depends on your viewpoint. Long term if you went from 8-8 and 3 seasons later won a playoff game thats fairly good progress I would think. If you continued your 8-8, 9-7 or 7-9 ways maybe that would be a lack of accountability. If one of your employees goes from an average performer and improves most years that is a good job of managing not a lack of accountability

8-8
8-8
9-7
6-10
10-6
12-4

He was extended after seasons of stagnation. The "long term" benefit is seen in hindsight. We will see if his improvement continues, or if he falls back to his norm of 8-9 wins.

 

[2012Champs]

He was extended after seasons of stagnation. The "long term" benefit is seen in hindsight. We will see if his improvement continues, or if he falls back to his norm of 8-9 wins.

Hence maybe Bob knows better how to run it than you or I. Maybe for him he saw the benefit and thus extended the contract of the HC mutiple times

 

[Runner]

Hence maybe Bob knows better how to run it than you or I. Maybe for him he saw the benefit and thus extended the contract of the HC mutiple times

Yep. He got the 9th best guy (excluding the 6-10 data point because it doesn't support the argument)...which will probably change one way or the other this year.

So far it doesn't look like it is going up.

 

[Double Barrel]

Hence maybe Bob knows better how to run it than you or I. Maybe for him he saw the benefit and thus extended the contract of the HC mutiple times

Bob is making money hand over fist, and changing head coaches is, in his words, a traumatic experience.

Accountability will come when the profit margin reduces to a point that he finds unacceptable. Last time that was after a 2-14 season, so his tolerance is much wider than most fans would like to believe.

I will always be grateful to McNair for the obvious. However, I do not wear blinders that he values championships more than a successful business. Perhaps he believes Kubiak can bring a championship and is willing to give him infinite patience up to the point that it is undermining his successful business. In that case, we basically have a Marvin Lewis doppelganger front office and Kubiak has to fail spectacularly to be released.

Does anyone believe that McNair would clean house if this team goes 9-7 and misses the playoffs? I do not hold that belief at this time based on the franchise's short history.

 

[TexansSeminole]

Bob is making money hand over fist, and changing head coaches is, in his words, a traumatic experience.

Accountability will come when the profit margin reduces to a point that he finds unacceptable. Last time that was after a 2-14 season, so his tolerance is much wider than most fans would like to believe.

I will always be grateful to McNair for the obvious. However, I do not wear blinders that he values championships more than a successful business. Perhaps he believes Kubiak can bring a championship and is willing to give him infinite patience up to the point that it is undermining his successful business. In that case, we basically have a Marvin Lewis doppelganger front office and Kubiak has to fail spectacularly to be released.

Does anyone believe that McNair would clean house if this team goes 9-7 and misses the playoffs? I do not hold that belief at this time based on the franchise's short history.

No. I don't even see Kubiak getting fired after a 7-9 season. We are going to need a dramatic collapse in order to see change here. We seem to be in the beginning stages of that now, so we'll see.

 

[thunderkyss]

Does anyone believe that McNair would clean house if this team goes 9-7 and misses the playoffs? I do not hold that belief at this time based on the franchise's short history.

I'm positive he won't & I'm not sure that would be the best course of action.

Since January, they've pretty much put the bulls-eye on Schaub. This is his year, make or break. He'll have to do something to make them believe he can take us where we want to go.

 

[infantrycak]

But I will agree with your conclusion. If you cherry pick Kubiak's two best years and use the criteria you chose, only 8 coaches (one third of the league, two whole divisions worth) were better than him.

Picking the most recent two years is not cherry picking. 100% guaranteed every GM and owner in the league would view differently an HC who went to two playoffs and missed the next five rather than one who missed five and then went to the last two playoffs.

It isn't 8 better coaches. Only 4 coaches advanced further (which is one eighth of the league).

There is a reason you don't see HCs dumped after 2 playoff seasons. Name some who were? I will spare you the trouble, Schottenheimer was coming off 1 and Jimmy Johnson resigned. Got anyone?

 

[Double Barrel]

There is a reason you don't see HCs dumped after 2 playoff seasons. Name some who were? I will spare you the trouble, Schottenheimer was coming off 1 and Jimmy Johnson resigned. Got anyone?

yep. Add Bum Phillips to that list.

So I have to ask Houston fans: Do you really want McNair acting like Bud Adams???

 

[disaacks3]

Picking the most recent two years is not cherry picking. 100% guaranteed every GM and owner in the league would view differently an HC who went to two playoffs and missed the next five rather than one who missed five and then went to the last two playoffs.

It isn't 8 better coaches. Only 4 coaches advanced further (which is one eighth of the league).

5 (Ravens, Pats, Falcons, 49ers, Giants) all advanced out of the divisional round over 2011-2012 seasons.

It's still not close to 8.

 

[TexansSeminole]

yep. Add Bum Phillips to that list.

So I have to ask Houston fans: Do you really want McNair acting like Bud Adams???

I like Kubiak, my only problem is his loyalty to Schaub. He's handled this thing pretty poorly in regards to assigning blame, assuming the halftime report was correct during the SF game. He is the head coach, so he knows more than we do about his backups, but it's just so difficult to watch Schaub out there right now.

 

[Runner]

Picking the most recent two years is not cherry picking. 100% guaranteed every GM and owner in the league would view differently an HC who went to two playoffs and missed the next five rather than one who missed five and then went to the last two playoffs.

It isn't 8 better coaches. Only 4 coaches advanced further (which is one eighth of the league).

There is a reason you don't see HCs dumped after 2 playoff seasons. Name some who were? I will spare you the trouble, Schottenheimer was coming off 1 and Jimmy Johnson resigned. Got anyone?

I used his 68% number to come up with 8. I'm still not sure he he came up with it.

Anyway, this is about accountability and the lack thereof. I think there was a lack of accountability in years four and five of Kubiak's regime. I certainly don't think Kubiak should have been fired after the playoff seasons. I just don't think two playoff appearances makes him a great coach.

However, in my non-football professional's opinion, we've seen Kubiak's peak with this team. I see this team receding and other teams in the division getting better. We will see how it plays out.

 

[dalemurphy]

This. Keshawn Martin fumbled and recovered it himself. The next punt return Keo was back there.

Tate is the backup... Keshawn Martin is one of many punt return options...

Replacing a few Tate carries with Arian Foster or pulling Martin for one punt return has nothing in common with replacing the starting QB... nor with benching the only kicker on the team for a couple of kicks... Who would you use? Lechler?... Neither Tate nor Martin lost their roster spot nor depth on the team.

 

[2012Champs]

I used his 68% number to come up with 8. I'm still not sure he he came up with it.

Anyway, this is about accountability and the lack thereof. I think there was a lack of accountability in years four and five of Kubiak's regime. I certainly don't think Kubiak should have been fired after the playoff seasons. I just don't think two playoff appearances makes him a great coach.

However, in my non-football professional's opinion, we've seen Kubiak's peak with this team. I see this team receding and other teams in the division getting better. We will see how it plays out.

7 other teams made it as far or farther than we did last year and the year before thats where I got 8. What Cak pointed out is that only 4 teams each season made it farther than us

 

[thunderkyss]

I like Kubiak, my only problem is his loyalty to Schaub.

I'm upset that Schaub hasn't been benched for his performance on the field. Being that we weren't trying to win last Sunday when Tj came in, I look at that more as giving up, than benching Schaub.

That said, If we started this year thinking we were going to the Super Bowl with Matt Schaub, it doesn't make a lot of sense to want to give up on him so "quickly." I know a three game losing streak isn't "quickly" & 4 consecutive games throwing a pick 6 isn't quickly. I get wanting to bench him to see if that gets his head into the game, but ready to move on doesn't seem rational.

Then everyone wanting to leapfrog Tj & go straight to Case makes me believe this is deeper than objective analysis of Schaub's play. He threw 6 bad balls that I can think of. The three INTs, the one Eric Reed should have picked, one he missed Andre wide open on our second drive, just before the OD holding penalty, & another he missed a wide open Andre (can't remember the specifics).

Other than that he looked pretty accurate, ball had plenty of spin, plenty of zip. I can't really tell how he did on his reads. He was active outside the pocket... looked pretty confident.

I've never been overly confident that Schaub would lead us to a Super Bowl. I had little doubt that we could win one with him. I still believe he is a better day-to-day QB than Flacco & Eli & if they can win, Schaub can. (However, I think both QBs have shown themselves to be much, much tougher than Schaub. Where Schaub seems rattled under pressure, those two stand tall.)

If Kubiak decided to move on, I'd have been fine with that. He didn't, I'm fine with that. But like I said before, he better be right.

He's handled this thing pretty poorly in regards to assigning blame, assuming the halftime report was correct during the SF game.

He's usually pretty good at crafting his coachspeak. I think I understand what he meant, because I think the same, but I couldn't believe he said what he said.

 

[steelbtexan]

A coach going 8-8 may be okay and it may not it certainly depends on many factors. Like the Texans making it to the second round of the playoffs despite the loss of Schaub, Johnson and Williams. On an adjusted basis I would say that was well overperforming. Making it to the second round of the playoffs puts your team's performance besting 68.75% of the league. The level of talent on the team is better ranked by folks who do this for a living rather than fans. Also the expectations and how things run are probably better handled by McNair as a bussiness man vs random fans.

After 8 yrs 68.75% isn't good enough

Lets also talk about Gary's W/L and hiring on the defensive side of the ball before Wade was forced on him by BoB.

Obviously BoB sets his evaluation bar at OK is good enough. If this weren't true he would've fired Gary after the highly acclaimed 9-7 2009 season or the 6-10 2010 season. But really why would BoB ever fire Gary when the stands will always be full of Aggies every Sunday and they are more than willing to give their $$$$ to BoB because 68.75% is good enough for the Aggies to support one of their own. I mean schucks Gary's a good ole boy and that's good enough.

I mean does Gary with his conservative style really suprise you that he has won 68.75% of his games. Gary is a modern day Marty Schottenheimer. (Atcually he's not that good) He's good enough to get you to the dance, but dont expect to be winning a ACF championship game or a SB.

But it isn't good enough for me. Not that that matters at all to BoB.

 

[2012Champs]

After 8 yrs 68.75% isn't good enough

Lets also talk about Gary's W/L and hiring on the defensive side of the ball before Wade was forced on him by BoB.

Obviously BoB sets his evaluation bar at OK is good enough. If this weren't true he would've fired Gary after the highly acclaimed 9-7 2009 season or the 6-10 2010 season. But really why would BoB ever fire Gary when the stands will always be full of Aggies every Sunday and they are more than willing to give their $$$$ to BoB because 68.75% is good enough for the Aggies to support one of their own. I mean schucks Gary's a good ole boy and that's good enough.

I mean does Gary with his conservative style really suprise you that he has won 68.75% of his games. Gary is a modern day Marty Schottenheimer. (Atcually he's not that good) He's good enough to get you to the dance, but dont expect to be winning a ACF championship game or a SB.

But it isn't good enough for me. Not that that matters at all to BoB.

So after 6 years with the texans Gary should be a top 4 performer every year ?

 

[Runner]

So after 6 years with the texans Gary should be a top 4 performer every year ?

It really all depends how you want to look at it. Are two playoff appearances in 7 years - 29% - good enough?

Is 2 more for his next 7 years good enough? If not, why not?

Yes he has had one good and one very good year. That has earned him some time, but I don't see a consistently high performing team. If this fall continues this season and next and he misses the playoffs, do they extend him again because he went to the playoffs twice in a row?

 

[BullNation4Life]

Accountability?

On this team?

with THIS coach?

 

[2012Champs]

It really all depends how you want to look at it. Are two playoff appearances in 7 years - 29% - good enough?

Is 2 more for his next 7 years good enough? If not, why not?

Yes he has had one good and one very good year. That has earned him some time, but I don't see a consistently high performing team. If this fall continues this season and next and he misses the playoffs, do they extend him again because he went to the playoffs twice in a row?

Your current problem is his good and very good years are the last two and now we question accountability

 

[Runner]

Your current problem is his good and very good years are the last two and now we question accountability

The accountability was brought up because of Schaub's recent problems. I pointed out that I thought there was a lack of accountability in Kubiak's middle years when he was extended. You brought the focus to his two good years.

 

[2012Champs]

The accountability was brought up because of Schaub's recent problems. I pointed out that I thought there was a lack of accountability in Kubiak's middle years when he was extended. You brought the focus to his two good years.

Or maybe the texans' staff has a much better understanding of the talent on their team and thus your perceived lack of accountability could be simply giving yourself the best chance to win


And based of my question you certainly did pick up the discussion of Gary's performance

 

[dalemurphy]

The accountability was brought up because of Schaub's recent problems. I pointed out that I thought there was a lack of accountability in Kubiak's middle years when he was extended. You brought the focus to his two good years.

You are confusing accountability with being reactionary and impatient. Kubiak demands accountability from his players and himself... accountability is a central theme of this organization... The fact that he doesn't throw his players under the bus to protect his reputation or create a scapegoat is honorable and good for the health of the team. Just because he doesn't throw a fit and bench or humiliate a player after a bad performance does not mean he is okay with it... It simply means that he believes that player remains the teams best option at the position to win.

As with all coaches, sometimes his assessment is wrong. IMO, better to error on the side of patience and trust then to quit on a guy too soon.

I will agree that Kubiak struggles to honestly assess his players. That is why Rick smiths increased power after 2010 has led to better results. Still, I don't think he should bench schaub yet. I still think MS is this teams best chance to win big this year, if he can work through whatever is going on.

 

[Exascor]

You are confusing accountability with being reactionary and impatient. Kubiak demands accountability from his players and himself... accountability is a central theme of this organization... The fact that he doesn't throw his players under the bus to protect his reputation or create a scapegoat is honorable and good for the health of the team. Just because he doesn't throw a fit and bench or humiliate a player after a bad performance does not mean he is okay with it... It simply means that he believes that player remains the teams best option at the position to win.

As with all coaches, sometimes his assessment is wrong. IMO, better to error on the side of patience and trust then to quit on a guy too soon.

I will agree that Kubiak struggles to honestly assess his players. That is why Rick smiths increased power after 2010 has led to better results. Still, I don't think he should bench schaub yet. I still think MS is this teams best chance to win big this year, if he can work through whatever is going on.

Great post.

 

[bOODRO87]

Heads will roll if we lose one of these next two. I'm glad Gary picked Matt because these guys make millions and should go down with the ship if they don't make the playoffs. Something they actually have a very good chance of doing. If you can't live up to your expectations, especially with the talent they have, then GTFO. I'm tired of this politically correct, good ol' boy stance they've taken since the losing streak. Schaub should be saying "I, I've, myself " in those interviews instead of Kubiak.

It's the mentality of those two. It's not made for today's NFL and it will never go far. Houston should throw a parade in honor of Daryl Morey for saving Houston sports this year.

 

[Texecutioner]

Your current problem is his good and very good years are the last two and now we question accountability

What in the hell does his last two years have to do with accountability? You say this as if two good years means accountability from the coach. It doesn't at all, and that is the biggest thing that Gary has always lacked is accountability with his players and his coaches he chooses. These last two seasons being good years has nothing to do with what will happen in the future. And right now Gary is still showing that he clearly knows zilch about accountability and his loyalty to Schaub is stronger then his loyalty to this entire franchise and team and fans. It's the same thing that has plagued the Texas Longhorns for the last 12 years with Mack Brown. Gary may be an Aggie, but he has always been the Mack Brown of the NFL.

 

[Texecutioner]

Heads will roll if we lose one of these next two. I'm glad Gary picked Matt because these guys make millions and should go down with the ship if they don't make the playoffs. Something they actually have a very good chance of doing. If you can't live up to your expectations, especially with the talent they have, then GTFO. I'm tired of this politically correct, good ol' boy stance they've taken since the losing streak. Schaub should be saying "I, I've, myself " in those interviews instead of Kubiak.

It's the mentality of those two. It's not made for today's NFL and it will never go far. Houston should throw a parade in honor of Daryl Morey for saving Houston sports this year.

Heads are not going to roll. Heads have never rolled with this organization. It starts from the top on down with Bob and then on down to Kubiak. Kubiak can lose the rest of the games this season and he is most likely the HC next year.

 

[dalemurphy]

Heads are not going to roll. Heads have never rolled with this organization. It starts from the top on down with Bob and then on down to Kubiak. Kubiak can lose the rest of the games this season and he is most likely the HC next year.

Head don't roll as fast as some would like.... However, these guys have turned over the roster a number of times because of performance and value.

 

[Texecutioner]

Head don't roll as fast as some would like.... However, these guys have turned over the roster a number of times because of performance and value.

That isn't true and you know it. Gary's history has been one of the worst coaches in the league at his blind loyalty to players that under perform and flat out hurt the team and ruin seasons, and yet he does it all over again with another player. Chris Brown, Kris Brown, JJ, Marciano, Smith, Schaub, Mario, Green, Walter, and etc. Man, I could go on and on. I've mentioned direct instances with several of these guys the year it happened and after. It's been predictable in so many situations as well. This situation with Schaub is the worst of all of them though. We didn't just barely lose the last game due to Schaub. We got smoked in the last game by a team that wasn't playing that well on offense. That game was winnable and the Seattle game was won. Kubiak has already blown this season with this stuff. That is the exact kind of thing coaches are supposed to get fired over. And Gary still won't let go of Schaub even now.

 

[Runner]

You are confusing accountability with being reactionary and impatient.
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As with all coaches, sometimes his assessment is wrong. IMO, better to error on the side of patience and trust then to quit on a guy too soon.
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No more than you confuse patience and trust with fear of change.



Believe it or not, I have some understanding of what the word accountability means.

 

[BullNation4Life]

Head don't roll as fast as some would like.... However, these guys have turned over the roster a number of times because of performance and value.

and for some coaches, not at all because Joe Marciano is STILL a coach for this team....


Nuff said....

 

[Runner]

I doubt heads would roll if Kubiak went 2-14.

Which makes me wonder - why did Capers only get five years? He's a good guy. Knows football. Weird.

 

[steelbtexan]

You are confusing accountability with being reactionary and impatient. Kubiak demands accountability from his players and himself... accountability is a central theme of this organization... The fact that he doesn't throw his players under the bus to protect his reputation or create a scapegoat is honorable and good for the health of the team. Just because he doesn't throw a fit and bench or humiliate a player after a bad performance does not mean he is okay with it... It simply means that he believes that player remains the teams best option at the position to win.

As with all coaches, sometimes his assessment is wrong. IMO, better to error on the side of patience and trust then to quit on a guy too soon.

I will agree that Kubiak struggles to honestly assess his players. That is why Rick smiths increased power after 2010 has led to better results. Still, I don't think he should bench schaub yet. I still think MS is this teams best chance to win big this year, if he can work through whatever is going on.

After reading your 1st sentence in this post, I couldn't read anymore because I was LMAO.

Impatience (Really?) after 8 yrs?

 

[steelbtexan]

and for some coaches, not at all because Joe Marciano is STILL a coach for this team....


Nuff said....

Richard Smith, Frank Bush, David Gibbs etc......