Tulip
Veteran
http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice/archives/2006/02/sorting_through.html
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According to Justice, Troy Aikman May Help Carr This Summer
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Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Is this a joke? It really can't be true, can it?
cap1
Rookie
bdiddy said:
It is right in the middle of the article after the quote from a fan. it goes like this,
"Someone told me that David is the last to practice and the first to leave. That's an exaggeration, but it makes a point. In fact, Troy Aikman has been asked to spend some time with David this summer to attempt to explain the role of a QB."
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
That is the highest paid player on the Texans. Pretty sad.
Porky
Hall of Fame
This is really nothing new. It's no secret that Carr is more passionate and concerned about family and faith than he is football. Many of us have been discussing this for 3 plus years. Part of me finds that to be a very admirable trait, as I myself put family before work. But, there is a fine balance for all of us. Some jobs require much more from us than others, and we all then have to decide whether the additional income is worth more of our time and energy. And, for the most part, we aren't talking anywhere near the money he makes. For many, it's not worth it. Unfortentely, David has a decision. He either needs to put football number 1 in his life, above all else, even family, or he needs to quit, and do something that fits in better with his lifestyle. What he really wants is to have his cake and eat it too. For four years, this organization has coddled him, and acquiesced to his every whim, and it shows in his play. David, either get 100% dediciated, or get out. Maybe this explains why so many of the best QB's were/are bachelors and/or party boys with no children, who usually didn't show up in church on Sunday morning?
bigTEXan8
Rookie
Justice has on the "Vince"-goggles like some people on this board. Anything Justice says, I vow to ignore. I believe what I'll see with my eyes, not what I read by some slanted beat writer. If Carr can't do it this year without adequate protection, a relatively decent scheme, then I'll be all in support of removing Carr from the QB helm in Houston. But hey, don't ride someone out of town because he can't succeed without anything to help him.
On the note of Troy Ainkman helping Carr, I can't say that I wouldn't turn down his offer, if this whole thing is true. Ainkman was just solid. Everybody has a problem with Carr not acting like a leader, well I have a problem with McNair not acting like an owner, Capers not acting like a coach, and a defense not acting like a defense. JM
On the note of Troy Ainkman helping Carr, I can't say that I wouldn't turn down his offer, if this whole thing is true. Ainkman was just solid. Everybody has a problem with Carr not acting like a leader, well I have a problem with McNair not acting like an owner, Capers not acting like a coach, and a defense not acting like a defense. JM
Porky
Hall of Fame
What's funny is the lengths by which some people will protect their boy. If Carr was a black QB from the wrong side of town, he would have been run out of town on a rail already. Teaching a Pro QB who was the #1 pick of the draft, and entering his 5th yr, how to be a QB is laughable. Yet, the defend Carr brigade somewhow manages to contort this whole thing into a positive. Funny, really really funny. 
Wolf
100% Texan
I learned along time ago that Common Sense is taught.
It depends on what Aikman is supposed to teach him. Aikman was great on 3rd and 7 to throw the 5 yard pass early in his career.
I honestly don't know if Carr will ever be the franchise QB that we drafted..He has all the tools to be one,yet hasn't been in a situation to excell or even have the talent around him to exceed or even caper's scheme was handicapped. Also I blame the coaching staff of handing the keys to the franchise right off of the bat and when Carr struggled, they kept him in instead of getting Banks in there and let him show a different perspective of running our offense on game day
Here is my case in point.. 2002 we draft Wells and almost everyone wanted to run him out of town and what a waste on a 4th round pick ..yada..yada.. Our run blocking got better and DD moves into the starting lineup and does well (no pun intended) ...and lots of people are liking DD.. When Wells got to play with the same OL that DD got to play..running stats were about the same and people want to keep Wells now.
It depends on what Aikman is supposed to teach him. Aikman was great on 3rd and 7 to throw the 5 yard pass early in his career.
I honestly don't know if Carr will ever be the franchise QB that we drafted..He has all the tools to be one,yet hasn't been in a situation to excell or even have the talent around him to exceed or even caper's scheme was handicapped. Also I blame the coaching staff of handing the keys to the franchise right off of the bat and when Carr struggled, they kept him in instead of getting Banks in there and let him show a different perspective of running our offense on game day
Here is my case in point.. 2002 we draft Wells and almost everyone wanted to run him out of town and what a waste on a 4th round pick ..yada..yada.. Our run blocking got better and DD moves into the starting lineup and does well (no pun intended) ...and lots of people are liking DD.. When Wells got to play with the same OL that DD got to play..running stats were about the same and people want to keep Wells now.
texan279
Hall of Fame
It's funny now that I read the whole article. He goes on about his love for Vince Young then goes on to dog David Carr then goes back to the Vince Young man love thing again. And I love this quote from the article "David came from Fresno State, and then got coddled by the Texans. That's one of those mistakes we can see only in retrospect. They didn't demand enough of him." Coddled? Carr broke the single season sack record his rookie season and came close to breaking his own record this season. Sounds more like abused to me. And to say the Texans didn't demand enough from Carr, what can you honestly expect to get out of the guy? He plays behind the worst offensive line in the league and his #1 WR and RB have been in and out of the lineup with injuries the last couple of seasons. The front office talks about shoring up the offensive line so they go out and sign Victor "Turnstile" Riley. The coaches we had the first four seasons were horrible. How can you honestly expect anything more from the guy. And why is Carr the only guy being picked on? I saw AJ drop numerous passes this past season and no one talks about it, I saw Faggins getting burned on what seemed to be a week to week basis and I hear nothing about it. Fact of the matter is, no one really did anything special this season, the entire team and coaching staff is to blame, and I am tired of these guys writing the same articles over and over about their man love for Vince Young and about how Carr is not the answer for us at QB.
Tale Gator
________
Four years and 46 losses too late IMHO.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
It isn't any more funny than ALL those punching a Hall of Fame ticket for a QB who has never played a down in the NFL and at this time last year was being considered for a position change.Porky said:What's funny is the lengths by which some people will protect their boy. If Carr was a black QB from the wrong side of town, he would have been run out of town on a rail already. Teaching a Pro QB who was the #1 pick of the draft, and entering his 5th yr, how to be a QB is laughable. Yet, the defend Carr brigade somewhow manages to contort this whole thing into a positive. Funny, really really funny.
I don't care how talented you are, you need coaching. Whether it's the coaches on the team who are supposed to be doing it, or a HOF QB. Where it comes from really doesn't matter. The point is EVERYONE needs it and Carr hasn't had it.
Oh, and way to throw the race card in it. Brilliant....NOT.
Mr. White
Retired OLine Coach
bigTEXan8 said:
texan279 said:
I, for one, take great offense to bringing in to question the sexual orientation of people that just don't happen to agree with you. If they say something you don't agree with, then they must have a "man-crush" on VY.
How about this... these are probably straight guys that just don't think that David Carr is worth the money he's getting paid or deserves the status of a #1 draft pick. They also might think that VY would be better for the organization.
David Carr posed in designer duds in a GQ fashion spread while his team was still winless.
Maybe his apologists are the ones with "man-crushes."
"Man-Crush" Street goes both ways.
And it goes to real bad place...I think it's time to shelf it.
bigTEXan8
Rookie
coreyvice said:
I hope I didn't offend you or anything yo...just using a silly expression. I don't take it seriously, and if you did, I'll try and refrain. You can say I have a man-crush on Carr, doesn't bother me. Sorry if I offended you though. But like I said earlier, just a silly expression.
texan279
Hall of Fame
coreyvice said:
I said nothing about anyone's sexual orientation, twist what I said anyway you want, but I said nothing about anyone's sexual orientation. I have no reason to take cheap shots at anyone on an internet message board, and frankly the comment wasn't even directed at you or anyone on the board.
coreyvice said:
A note on terminology: man-love or man crush as terms do not call into question a male's sex orientation or imply any sexual activity. It is away to describe male's admiration that borders on going too far, but not in a sexual manner.
SheTexan
Hall of Fame
Something for all you couch coaches and Carr hater's to think about.
David Carr grew up a Cowboy fan! Troy Aikman was his hero, from what I understand. Why do you think he wears #8??!! Maybe he is personal friends with Troy and ASK him for some help? What is wrong with that, it he did? Vince Young has been tutored by Steve McNair since he was in high school!! You all are so quick to criticise without knowing all the facts. You take one simple statement and make something ugly out of it!! Shame on all of you!!!!!
I am sure a lot of pro players work out with other pros during the summer months. AJ is working out with Jerry Rice! Does that make him a BAD WR?? After two years shouldn't he already know how to catch a ball, run routes, etc.
You guys are just hell bent on bashing David Carr. It wouldn't matter to you if he worked out 16 hrs a day, seven days a week, divorced his wife, became an atheist (sp) and drank beer with Steve McKinney every night. You would still hate him because the stupid TEXANS didn't (or won't) draft the Steve McNair clone from Texas. And you guys think women are hard headed!!!!
David Carr grew up a Cowboy fan! Troy Aikman was his hero, from what I understand. Why do you think he wears #8??!! Maybe he is personal friends with Troy and ASK him for some help? What is wrong with that, it he did? Vince Young has been tutored by Steve McNair since he was in high school!! You all are so quick to criticise without knowing all the facts. You take one simple statement and make something ugly out of it!! Shame on all of you!!!!!
I am sure a lot of pro players work out with other pros during the summer months. AJ is working out with Jerry Rice! Does that make him a BAD WR?? After two years shouldn't he already know how to catch a ball, run routes, etc.
You guys are just hell bent on bashing David Carr. It wouldn't matter to you if he worked out 16 hrs a day, seven days a week, divorced his wife, became an atheist (sp) and drank beer with Steve McKinney every night. You would still hate him because the stupid TEXANS didn't (or won't) draft the Steve McNair clone from Texas. And you guys think women are hard headed!!!!
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
SheTexan said:
I was about to fight this one with some venom, but then I just watched the best human interest story on ESPN with the hanicapped kids playing flag football. Tear jerker. Much like the fact that it has taken 5 years for DC to ask or Aikman to offer.
Mr. White
Retired OLine Coach
ArlingtonTexan said:
I get it, but my point is that it just goes to a bad place... like the "Brokeback Mountain 2" thread in another area of the MB.... like somebody posting that VY's supporters just "want to get into his pants."
Not real cool no matter who you're talking about.
In this profession, family comes second. Its been discussed on 610 many times, and David needs to realize that otherwise he'll be finding himself out of work.
Its a very disturbing thing to hear that the breadmaker of the Texans and the so called "leader" of the offense couldn't care less about staying and winning. Look at all the CEO's of major corporations: They come to work early and stay late. Thats what made them successful: the extra work.
Just like a major business, the Texans are a business as well. And in this profession, if you don't produce..they'll find someone who will.
Its a very disturbing thing to hear that the breadmaker of the Texans and the so called "leader" of the offense couldn't care less about staying and winning. Look at all the CEO's of major corporations: They come to work early and stay late. Thats what made them successful: the extra work.
Just like a major business, the Texans are a business as well. And in this profession, if you don't produce..they'll find someone who will.
Wolf
100% Texan
fyi.. a workaholic is one that can't organize their time.
I am more about family than a job..
Everybody loves Earl Campbell and what he did for the Oilers... has anyone seen him in Austin lately.. seems he can barely walk.
BTW all the "practice" that is done for the texans won't help Carr on bit because we can't keep him upright on gameday.
What is really and truely sad is how our defense was. It was horrible and yet last year during training camp,the talk was about how the DL was tearing it up at TC against our OL... At the time I was thinking "Great, our defense should be improved" in reality it showed our OL regressed
*edit* for the record I am hearing two different stories on Carr.. one is he is staying late and arriving early.. the other is the opposite.. which is it????
I am more about family than a job..
Everybody loves Earl Campbell and what he did for the Oilers... has anyone seen him in Austin lately.. seems he can barely walk.
BTW all the "practice" that is done for the texans won't help Carr on bit because we can't keep him upright on gameday.
What is really and truely sad is how our defense was. It was horrible and yet last year during training camp,the talk was about how the DL was tearing it up at TC against our OL... At the time I was thinking "Great, our defense should be improved" in reality it showed our OL regressed
*edit* for the record I am hearing two different stories on Carr.. one is he is staying late and arriving early.. the other is the opposite.. which is it????
SheTexan
Hall of Fame
Kaiser Toro said:
Are you ASSUMING this to be fact, or do you know this as fact?!
How does ANYONE on this board KNOW for a FACT what any player does during the off season?? Who they hang with, who they PRACTICE with, who they vacation with, etc!!? How does anyone know exactly how much time any of the players are spending in the gym, working out with fellow players or eating Baskin Robbins 6 times a day!!
Why did I even respond to this thread??!
Justing biding my time until the SB comes on!!!!
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
SheTexan said:Are you ASSUMING this to be fact, or do you know this as fact?!
How does ANYONE on this board KNOW for a FACT what any player does during the off season?? Who they hang with, who they PRACTICE with, who they vacation with, etc!!? How does anyone know exactly how much time any of the players are spending in the gym, working out with fellow players or eating Baskin Robbins 6 times a day!!
Why did I even respond to this thread??!
As most often it is an assumption of fact.
bigTEXan8
Rookie
Wolf said:
1. Props...I've seen both succeed equally, busting their butts at work and then spending quality time with the family. Props to you.
2. Concur
3. So totally on. I'm not saying the Texans offense was stellar, we all know that wasn't the fact. A Jr. High d-line could succeed against the Texans 2005 o-line. And where was our secondary...bloody hell.
4. Sit outside the practice facilities and log who comes and goes. That's the only real way to figure it out.
Wolf
100% Texan
I think we lose sight that these guys are human... Marriage was one of the positives for Carr on draft day because he was mature and grounded.
I don't know about anyone else, but if a job comes before your wife or viceversa..well something is wrong esp when kids are involved.
now I know Carr is making tons of money and esp for the people that put their hard earned money up for PSL's and such and want to see a winner.. well remember this was a team wide meltdown over the season... How soon we forget that we gave up 40ish points on sunday night in Seattle
I don't know about anyone else, but if a job comes before your wife or viceversa..well something is wrong esp when kids are involved.
now I know Carr is making tons of money and esp for the people that put their hard earned money up for PSL's and such and want to see a winner.. well remember this was a team wide meltdown over the season... How soon we forget that we gave up 40ish points on sunday night in Seattle
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
bigTEXan8 said:
I am sure stockholders and possibly Wall Street and the SEC would disagree with that policy.
