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Dirty Old Man
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Aaron Schobel Retired
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We've all got issues. LOL
drs23
Veteran
A little late here but WTF SH? The only thing you have contributed in my short time here is how Bob McNair is a cheap SOB. Can we get a bar of soap for him too? What color should it be? I think you should choose. Pink's already taken. Red perhaps? Green maybe? I dunno. I think I'll just go back to my prior policy of not reading anything you have to spew.
edo783
Hall of Fame
Might want to ask yourself the question "Since Schobel walked away from 8+ million to play this year in Buffalo (yes they released him, but at his request since he couldn't tell them if he was retiring or not), why would he want to play elsewhere for half of that"? Granted, the Bills are a BAD team, but money is money. Now I could see him going for the 4 mill thing with the Pats, because he would have a fair chance for a ring with them. With us, fair chance at the playoffs, but fairly unlikely to reach the SB in our first rodeo. He would be close to his home though. Not sure that trumps 4 mill.
Tailgate
Fall of Hame
Yeah, actually thats pretty much it imo.
SheTexan
Hall of Fame
8 of our games are on the road, with only 2 of them in a domed stadium. One of the hottest games our boys have ever played was in Reliant stadium!! Don't let all those guys who are out there sweating their asses off know you think this dude is to good to get HOT!! If he truly wants to play here then he needs to make a deal, and get his butt in practice!! JMO!
TexCanada
All Pro
I completely agree with this post.
imatexan
All Pro
In a way it is, as the more he shells out to players, trust me, he's going to get it back in ticket prices, parking and concessions.... so, in a way, yeah, it is your money....
at SHThaShark316
#28
LanceZierlein
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HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
ThaShark316
#28
Just turned it on...commercial...
eriadoc
Texan-American
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
With Kubes referring to Mario as all of a sudden "doing great," my suspicious mind keeps telling that this may not be the case. The timing of his "miraculous" turnaround could be bargaining leverage for Schobel. Negotiations would be very tough if Mario was seen as being rested in anticipation of heading for the glue factory. Just saying.
michaelm
vox nihili
I can't understand what LZ is trying to say with half his tweets... is it just me?
His tweets are sometimes disjointed. Or replying to an earlier question. Do you also follow HoustonDiehards and BigRon281 and the other bloggers?
michaelm
vox nihili
I don't really follow anyone on twitter. I clicked on a link in this thread that took me to LZ twitter page.
I've had various twitter apps on my iphone on and off for a while, but seem to never use them. I actually just re-installed the official twitter app so I could follow LZ to see if this story develops.
Ahh. ok. Yeah, then his tweets won't make any sense, because he is usually interacting with numerous others like those I mentioned and Stephanie Stradley...aka TexansChick
michaelm
vox nihili
I just added Steph, and Houston Die Hards. I was already a follower of AJ at The Examiner, but I hadn't actually been following anyone in a while... if that makes any sense.
I guess I'm going through another phase giving it a try, but I just never have gotten into it that much, which is kind of strange I guess, because I'm a bit of a technology whore and I'm on facebook all the time...
That's kinda funny to me, because I do not follow facebook at all (tho I have an account), even though that is where most of my family is. I just really like all the up to date info I get from twitter. And I follow a lot of the Texans, and it is really cool getting a question answered directly.
NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
Yes sir. Hopping on your boat.
And please don't start with the Andre Johnson contract. There was no getting out of that for Bobby. Even Marge Schott couldn't weasel out of that. Andre's getting his money no matter what. That's what franchise players get. I'm just glad our franchise player isn't a CB (Aso) or a safety.
TimeKiller
Guest
So he wants the 8 mil he left on the table in Buffalo somewhere else (i.e. HOUSTON), for 1 year? I'm sorry but....come on. This isn't hard.
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
I'll admit i'm no real expert but I've been watching this story develop and taken on board all of the info available to me and cannot see for the life of me why they wouldn't do everything in their power to get this done.
Surely they aren't assessing their DLine situation thinking that will do when pass rush was still an issue last year.
Uncapped year, the guy wants to wear Deep Steel Blue, Mario is a doubt, Barwin is only going into year 2, Cushing is out for 4 games too and surely this would help to protect that position somewhat in his absence?
I hope this isn't a money issue because the uncapped year should fall in our favour as a young team who didn't make the playoffs last time out.
Pay him Rick.
Surely they aren't assessing their DLine situation thinking that will do when pass rush was still an issue last year.
Uncapped year, the guy wants to wear Deep Steel Blue, Mario is a doubt, Barwin is only going into year 2, Cushing is out for 4 games too and surely this would help to protect that position somewhat in his absence?
I hope this isn't a money issue because the uncapped year should fall in our favour as a young team who didn't make the playoffs last time out.
Pay him Rick.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
I may be the only person on this forum who won't lose any sleep if this deal doesn't go through. Sure I'd love to have Schoebel, but I hope McNair doesn't over pay the guy. I also hope they consult the rest of the DLine and set the expectations if he comes in.
If Schoebel comes in, he should be the full-time starter at RDE. He's a better player than Smith, so no sense in keeping him on the bench. But Smith is still our 3rd best defensive lineman, so what to do with him? Shift him to DT? Will he be happy with a full-time shift to DT? And if so, he's taking Okoye's spot. Okoye worked hard in the offseason to prove his worth, so he won't be happy. Cody is the weak link on that d-line, but there's no way Smith or Okoye can play the two-tech. Where does that also leave Barwin? Will he be happy with only giving people a breather here and there, and no longer the 3rd down pass rusher?
I know alot of you will think "these guys have to be professionals and accept their roles". Unfortunately, most athletes have egos and don't like their spot being taken. You probably wouldn't like it either if management brought someone in to take your spot at work. The chemistry on the d-line is something I hope they're considering.
In my dream situation, Schoebel will play for Houston accepting a pay-cut. The current starters on the d-line will stay put and Schoebel will take Barwin's role as the 3rd down pass rusher. And I hope Barwin will agree to take a back seat and learn from two great pass rushers for the next couple of seasons.
If Schoebel comes in, he should be the full-time starter at RDE. He's a better player than Smith, so no sense in keeping him on the bench. But Smith is still our 3rd best defensive lineman, so what to do with him? Shift him to DT? Will he be happy with a full-time shift to DT? And if so, he's taking Okoye's spot. Okoye worked hard in the offseason to prove his worth, so he won't be happy. Cody is the weak link on that d-line, but there's no way Smith or Okoye can play the two-tech. Where does that also leave Barwin? Will he be happy with only giving people a breather here and there, and no longer the 3rd down pass rusher?
I know alot of you will think "these guys have to be professionals and accept their roles". Unfortunately, most athletes have egos and don't like their spot being taken. You probably wouldn't like it either if management brought someone in to take your spot at work. The chemistry on the d-line is something I hope they're considering.
In my dream situation, Schoebel will play for Houston accepting a pay-cut. The current starters on the d-line will stay put and Schoebel will take Barwin's role as the 3rd down pass rusher. And I hope Barwin will agree to take a back seat and learn from two great pass rushers for the next couple of seasons.
NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
With a one-year contract in an uncapped year, what do you care if we pay him 100 million. It's a genuine question.
It seems like you're asking the Texans to pacify Connor Barwin's ego by limiting Schoebel's earning power. I find that logic somewhat difficult to swallow.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
I know you're just exaggerating, but 100 mil wouldn't benefit anyone but Aaron Schoebel. Mario would instantly hold out, as well as others I'm sure. Then McNair would have to raise ticket prices to help pay that contract. So yes, I would care.
Now I hope I wasn't misunderstood, but I do hope Schoebel signs. I just hope it doesn't come at the expense of team chemistry.
Screw MW if he hols out.
Team chemistry? Is this the same team chemisty that has failed to make the playoffs for the last 9 yrs?
Adding talent is the main thing. Dont really care who gets their feelings hurt if Schobel signs an above average deal.
I dont understand why people are concerned about saving uncle BoB's $$$$.
In my mind, it's not about "saving uncle BoB's $$$$"; it's about not being stupid. I'm STILL not convinced Schobel has much left in the tank. Until proven otherwise I see a defensive version of Ahman Green. Do you really want to overpay for that??
NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
I'd like to at least try. We need more production from our defensive line. I mean 10 sacks is plenty more than what we have been getting out of everybody else not named Mario COMBINED! Our defensive line was pathetic. There is NO reason not to think that Schoebel could match Barwin's production last year now. Even if he doesn't match it... his presence and leadership is one that I can gel with.
Yeah, and the year before Ahman Green came here he was a 1000-yd rusher with over 1400 yds from scrimmage and 6 TDs. How did that work out?
Sorry, color me skeptical. I'd rather invest that money in someone with upside, not a 32-yr old passing down specialist.
Didn't we try that "sign a former pass-rushing DE/LB stud" strategy before with that guy from the Patriots? Again, how did that work out?
Hey, if we sign him and he proves me wrong, no one would be happier. In fact, I'll put his mug up as my avatar.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
Yeah, and the year before Ahman Green came here he was a 1000-yd rusher with over 1400 yds from scrimmage and 6 TDs. How did that work out?
Sorry, color me skeptical. I'd rather invest that money in someone with upside, not a 32-yr old passing down specialist.
Didn't we try that "sign a former pass-rushing DE/LB stud" strategy before with that guy from the Patriots? Again, how did that work out?
Hey, if we sign him and he proves me wrong, no one would be happier. In fact, I'll put his mug up as my avatar.
So you must be one of those guys who falls off his bike and doesn't try to ride again.
First I have to figure out if it was me or if I bought an old used up bike that made me fall. Maybe a better strategy is not to waste money on an old bike.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
The Bills did not have a notable supportive DL to Schobel, nor a DL that would allow them and him "rest rotation." He was essentially a permanent fixture when the D came out..........and he still put up commendable performance. The fact that with the Texans he would have a heck of a supporting cast and more opportunity to play "fresh," would make me take the side that he certainly should have at least one good year's worth left in the tank
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
So if it's not about the money, what was so bad about the Ahman Green signing (and more to the point, what about the Ahman Green signing are you concerned could be repeated with Schobel?)
And yeah, we looked for a pass rusher with Roosevelt Colvin, and while it didn't turn out like everyone hoped, do you think the signing ended up hurting the Texans?
NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
First I have to figure out if it was me or if I bought an old used up bike that made me fall. Maybe a better strategy is not to waste money on an old bike.
Must spread...
Cjeremy635
Overtraining
I agree with you Nitro and I think the guy could definitely contribute to this squad in more way than one. My only concern, if you will, is how much is a decent dollar amount to place on the guy without over paying for him. My biggest issue would be reaching and over paying. I think that would hurt us down the road with contract negotiations with our own players when the time comes....and it will. I'd hate to hear, "you threw stupid money at that guy and now I want more than that because I'm a solid contributor and have been for a while." If we can get around that issue, I'd love to have the guy here. I think that even if we were close with the money that he would chose to play here because of how close his family would be. He had made mention about not wanting to have to move his girls around with school and all. As a parent, I get that and I know you do too.
I just wonder what bringing in another player, like Aaron, and paying him more than what he is worth does to the psyche of the other players. I know that technically it isn't their business what anyone else makes, but we all know that isn't how it works. Everyone wants to be the highest paid player at their position on the team.
First, thanks because I couldn't remember Colvin's name for squat.
Second, we didn't have the talent back then that we do now. We're having to decide whether or not to keep or cut guys that in back in 2006-2008 we would have all drooled over.
To state my position more clearly, I'm not against giving Schobel a shot. I just don't think he's worth $8 million. If we can get him for half that, bring him in. For the record, we signed Colvin for ONE million and only half of that was guaranteed. So if Schobel come here for that kind of money - or a bit more - then it's a logical gamble. Eight million - for one season and for someone who was about to retire - is just nuts. That's Daniel Synder thinking.
"...must spread rep..."
This is my primary objection to signing Schobel. And maybe "objection" is the wrong word. Maybe "caution" is more applicable. Maybe we offer him 4 mill with incentives that can get him up to 8...
I think that the Texans have the upper hand in this situation.
If Schobel signs elsewhere I will not be upset...I would like to get him here, but if he is asking for too much then I'd just let him move a long.
He's an upgrade but I don't think he is a player that is going to make or break our season.
If Schobel signs elsewhere I will not be upset...I would like to get him here, but if he is asking for too much then I'd just let him move a long.
He's an upgrade but I don't think he is a player that is going to make or break our season.
Yeah, because the Green signing didn't work out Smithiak should never sign a vet FA again.
Schobel was a very productive DE last year and didn't get injured. What is it that makes you think Schobel is done? 10 sacks seems to indicate Schobel has alot left.
10 sacks, that would be more sacks in a season than anybody not named MW.
Oh well you're right the Texans couldn't use a guy like Schobel. LOL
Again, I didn't say DON'T sign him. I say don't OVERPAY to sign him.
NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
Even a one year contract in an uncapped year? C'mon now...
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
See, I find the above two statement contradictory. Yeah, the Texans should get him as reasonably as they can, but if there's a shot he can bolster your pass rush in a meaningful way, and there's no future cap ramifications, I'm willing to take a chance on looking stupid - it wouldn't be the first time, nor the last (for either the Texans, or me personally).
And for the record, I could argue that Ahman Green still had plenty in the tank, he just couldn't stay healthy. Schobel's had a much better injury history than Green did.