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Aaron Schobel Retired

The best pass rush I've ever seen was the Giants against the Pats in the Super Bowl. They rotated 8-plus guys into every position on the line. Even had 4 DEs at once.

Would be great here with Schobel
 
ChampionTexan said:
If the FO thinks Schobel's a better pass rusher than Barwin right now, then try to get him for a reasonable price (I'd happily give a 6th or maybe even a 5th round pick for him). Heaven forbid we have a backup DE with too much talent.

Schobel's not a long term solution, anyway. Having him together with Barwin for a year or two may end up helping Barwing develop - not the other way around.
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Don't get me wrong.With both parties outright saying his time in Buffalo is over Buffalo won't be getting anything higher than a 5th. I'd welcome him here.

I'm more lamenting the fact we chose an undersized pass rush specialist with our second round pick instead of getting a 3 down player on either side of the ball. We could've gotten similar production later in the draft, considering as well we had just signed Smith to a big contract. Also consider Barwin signed a 4 year contract and what do we get for that contract? I still think the guy is more ideally suited to be a 3-4 LBer. But, Hey, obviously I'm not a scout or GM.

nero THE zero said:
Based on what?

He's highly effective on the inside because he plays with solid technique and his speed causes match-up problems for inside linemen.

He almost played exclusively inside on third downs last season as well, so I don't know where the idea that his potential there is limited or marginalized by more snaps is coming from.

I don't know that he could be a full-time player at tackle, but the idea that he's ideally suited at DE is rubbish.
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Playing limited snaps inside on third downs when you're more likely seeing pass blocking is one thing, but moving him inside for more snaps there when teams are run blocking is different. Way different scenarios.

I mean we already have a plethora of undersized defensive linemen (who are paid much less). Why add the one guy who has shown he can consistently get in the backfield opposite Mario Williams and is good against the run?

How is that rubbish?
 
Texecutioner said:
Get this done! I don't see how anyone could be against this.


WHo cares if we have Mario, Barwin, or Smith? Put the best guy out there and make them all compete. Hell, this is great for rotation any way. You want as many guys at DE as you can get. Plus, Mario could always get injured. Our defensive line is still a work in progress and this guy could really help. Make it happen! :evil:
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This, The only Texan that knows what it feels like to get 10 sacks is MW.

This doesn't include HWNSNBM.

Sign him up.

Barwin probably play SAM until Cushing gets back. I dont care where MW likes to play. If it was good enough for Reggie whit to drop down and play DT in some passing situations. Then MW shouldn't have a problem.

On 3rd and long a DL of Barwin MW AS and Schobel would create the most pressure on the QB in team history.
 
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Brisco_County said:
Let's establish something before our imaginations run too wild. Mario is not moving inside.

I can see Schobel being used in blitz packages with five on the line, in rotation to relieve Mario, and deep frying delicious stuffed jalapenos during tailgates. Sign 'em up!
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And why are you so sure about this? Knowing Koller and Kubiak, that is exactly what they would do, move Mario inside with Smith and have Barwin and Schobel on the outside on passing situations...

Don't dismiss something until the FO says so and even then it still may happen...
 
Nothing really new but..

News 4 Sports reached Schobel by phone, at his house in Columbus, Texas.

"When I heard the news, I sorta was relieved to tell you the truth,” Schobel told us. “Whenever somebody takes it from you and it doesn't bother you, it's probably what you wanted to do anyway."

Schobel says he still hasn’t decided once and for all not to play. And he expects the Bills will accommodate him and trade his rights if he decides to come back. He mentioned Houston as a possible site for him to play.

“I’m just gonna wait a couple of more weeks and see. You know, I’ve mentioned Houston (Texans) would be an idea. I don’t know. The only reason I say Houston is because I know that defense, it’s so close to home. But I don’t know.”

For now, he's content to stay at his home in Texas and take a few more weeks to decide what to do.
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http://www.wivb.com/dpp/sports/bills_and_nfl/schobel-looks-to-future
 
BullNation4Life said:
And why are you so sure about this? Knowing Koller and Kubiak, that is exactly what they would do, move Mario inside with Smith and have Barwin and Schobel on the outside on passing situations...

Don't dismiss something until the FO says so and even then it still may happen...
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Firstly, he's not built for penetrating like a three-technique DT. Secondly, he's coming off shoulder surgery.
 
News 4 Sports reached Schobel by phone, at his house in Columbus, Texas.

"When I heard the news, I sorta was relieved to tell you the truth,” Schobel told us. “Whenever somebody takes it from you and it doesn't bother you, it's probably what you wanted to do anyway."

Schobel says he still hasn’t decided once and for all not to play. And he expects the Bills will accommodate him and trade his rights if he decides to come back. He mentioned Houston as a possible site for him to play.

“I’m just gonna wait a couple of more weeks and see. You know, I’ve mentioned Houston (Texans) would be an idea. I don’t know. The only reason I say Houston is because I know that defense, it’s so close to home. But I don’t know.”

For now, he's content to stay at his home in Texas and take a few more weeks to decide what to do.
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I dunno.... and this is probably just me.... or maybe it's the thought of going back to Buffalo, but it doesn't sound like his heart is totally in the game any longer to me.
 
ObsiWan said:
I dunno.... and this is probably just me.... or maybe it's the thought of going back to Buffalo, but it doesn't sound like his heart is totally in the game any longer to me.
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I think ESPN and The NFL Network should each create some sort of "Schobel Watch" segment, and devote a portion of every Sports Center/NFL Total Access/NFL Live/Sports Center In Game etc., etc., etc. to whether Schobel's going to retire or not. If it works out, maybe they can bring it back next pre-season, and perhaps even the pre-season after that.
 
ChampionTexan said:
I think ESPN and The NFL Network should each create some sort of "Schobel Watch" segment, and devote a portion of every Sports Center/NFL Total Access/NFL Live/Sports Center In Game etc., etc., etc. to whether Schobel's going to retire or not. If it works out, maybe they can bring it back next pre-season, and perhaps even the pre-season after that.
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Interrupt the Favre watch? Never.
 
Brisco_County said:
Firstly, he's not built for penetrating like a three-technique DT. Secondly, he's coming off shoulder surgery.
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His "surgery" was a scope. Nothing to be concerned about a scope of the shoulder, no more than Casey getting his knee scoped.

He is 6'8 and near 300 lbs how is he not built? Love how folks can say "oh he isn't built for this position or that position." He is a baller, easy as that. Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis are built like a LBs yet seems to do pretty fine where they are...

If they sign Schobel, you will most likely see Mario inside on some passing downs...
 
BullNation4Life said:
His "surgery" was a scope. Nothing to be concerned about a scope of the shoulder, no more than Casey getting his knee scoped.

He is 6'8 and near 300 lbs how is he not built? Love how folks can say "oh he isn't built for this position or that position." He is a baller, easy as that. Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis are built like a LBs yet seems to do pretty fine where they are...

If the sign Schobel, you will most likely see Mario inside on some passing downs...
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I've seen him lineup at DT and even MLB on passing downs... So, clearly, he can move around.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that he become a DT. But, he's a similar athlete and weapon to Reggie White. And, Reggie moved all over the place. Of course, he didn't have arthoscopic shoulder surgery... he just did things like play entire seasons with a torn pectoral and a detached bicep.
 
If he has anything left in the tank and his contract demands are reasonable and he truely wants to play for the Texans......we won't get him.....
 
http://blogs.buffalobills.com/2010/08/02/nix-makes-it-clear-on-schobel/
Bills GM Buddy Nix made it clear regarding Aaron Schobel’s career with the Bills. It’s over.

“He will remain on our Reserve/Did Not Report list until he makes a decision about what he wants to do, whether it’s retire or if he might want to play somewhere else,” said Nix.

If Schobel does want to play elsewhere, the Bills will then begin to explore trade options. It’s clear the Bills will not outright release him.
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If Schobel does want to play elsewhere, the Bills will then begin to explore trade options. It’s clear the Bills will not outright release him.
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Why would anyone want to trade for him and his 8 million dollar salary scheduled for next year? There's no way anyone would pick him up for that much money, unless they can make him take a pay cut.
 
I wouldn't trade much for him. If we were to trade a late round pick for him he'd have to re-structure his contract.
 
This won't happen. Too much money at the end of his career.

The new philosophy is weighted more heavily toward refusing the temptation of Ahman Green'ish signings.

Plus, McNair is about to lay out some cash to AJ. So there's no way in Dallas he's going to absorb the cost of Schobel nor trade anything for him.
 
HoustonSportsFan09 said:
http://blogs.buffalobills.com/2010/08/02/nix-makes-it-clear-on-schobel/

Bills GM Buddy Nix made it clear regarding Aaron Schobel’s career with the Bills. It’s over.

“He will remain on our Reserve/Did Not Report list until he makes a decision about what he wants to do, whether it’s retire or if he might want to play somewhere else,” said Nix.

If Schobel does want to play elsewhere, the Bills will then begin to explore trade options. It’s clear the Bills will not outright release him.
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The Bills have been trying to trade Schobel all offseason with no takers. When Aaron says he is coming back , the Bills will release him and be free to sign anywhere.



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BullNation4Life said:
His "surgery" was a scope. Nothing to be concerned about a scope of the shoulder, no more than Casey getting his knee scoped. He is 6'8 and near 300 lbs how is he not built? Love how folks can say "oh he isn't built for this position or that position." He is a baller, easy as that. Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis are built like a LBs yet seems to do pretty fine where they are...

If they sign Schobel, you will most likely see Mario inside on some passing downs...
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These days, major surgical reconstructions may be performed via scope.The recovery depends on what TYPE OF SURGERY is performed for what TYPE OF PROBLEM. One of the problems with shoulder arthroscopy is that the procedure hurts much less than open shoulder surgery, and therefore players may tend to do too much, too soon. Depending on the type of surgery and type of problem, certain maneuvers may be more taxing of the repair than others. Playing inside requires more variable and more consistent stresses on the shoulder girdle. Avoidance and/or control of certain tactical moves as an outside rusher allows for the ability to steer clear of applying shoulder stresses that could otherwise increase the risk of reinjury, especially in the 1st year postoperative recovery period.
 
texanfan2002114 said:
The Bills have been trying to trade Schobel all offseason with no takers. When Aaron says he is coming back , the Bills will release him and be free to sign anywhere.
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Schobel is still under contract with the Bills. They don't have to release him if he does not report, nor do they have to pay him. They can declare him retired.

This is the same reason that Brett Favre was forced to take a one year detour with the Jets before finally getting to Minnesota: he was under contract with the Packers and they were not going to simpy release him and allow him to go where he wanted. So they traded his rights to the Jets (adding a poison pill that required the Jets to cough up multiple high draft picks if they cut him or traded him prior to the end of that season).

The rub is the contract. If the Texans make a trade, they acquire the contract. That won't happen. If the Bills cut Schobel, they lose any ability to trade him. So some creativity will be involved if the Texans want to acquire Schobel for a price lower than his contract. As for what they'd give to Buffalo, I'd have to think a 6th rounder would do the trick--it's at least something.
 
Hooston Texan said:
Schobel is still under contract with the Bills. They don't have to release him if he does not report, nor do they have to pay him. They can declare him retired.

This is the same reason that Brett Favre was forced to take a one year detour with the Jets before finally getting to Minnesota: he was under contract with the Packers and they were not going to simpy release him and allow him to go where he wanted. So they traded his rights to the Jets (adding a poison pill that required the Jets to cough up multiple high draft picks if they cut him or traded him prior to the end of that season).

The rub is the contract. If the Texans make a trade, they acquire the contract. That won't happen. If the Bills cut Schobel, they lose any ability to trade him. So some creativity will be involved if the Texans want to acquire Schobel for a price lower than his contract. As for what they'd give to Buffalo, I'd have to think a 6th rounder would do the trick--it's at least something.
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Three things with the Favre-Packers comparison.

First, Favre reported to camp - that forced the Packers into a situation where they had to pay him, waive him, or trade him. Whether Schobel would ever force the Bills hand like that I don't pretend to know, but he could if he chose to.

Second, Favre actually agreed to restructure the contract with the Jets prior to the trade. It was done to comply with the salary cap, but if Schobel was willing to take a reduced salary as a requirement to get a trade done, they could make that happen. If Schobel is unwilling to restructure his contract, then most likely him reporting to camp will force the Bills to pay him or waive him.

Finally, Green Bay's prime objective with the Favre trade (and their refusal to simply cut him) was to keep him out of the NFC North in general, and away from the Vikings specifically. I don't believe Buffalo has any such concerns - certainly not in regard to Schobel coming to the Texans.
 
Hooston Texan said:
Schobel is still under contract with the Bills. They don't have to release him if he does not report, nor do they have to pay him. They can declare him retired.

This is the same reason that Brett Favre was forced to take a one year detour with the Jets before finally getting to Minnesota: he was under contract with the Packers and they were not going to simpy release him and allow him to go where he wanted. So they traded his rights to the Jets (adding a poison pill that required the Jets to cough up multiple high draft picks if they cut him or traded him prior to the end of that season).

The rub is the contract. If the Texans make a trade, they acquire the contract. That won't happen. If the Bills cut Schobel, they lose any ability to trade him. So some creativity will be involved if the Texans want to acquire Schobel for a price lower than his contract. As for what they'd give to Buffalo, I'd have to think a 6th rounder would do the trick--it's at least something.
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"Look, I am not saying you should never trade a 6th round pick for some veteran. I am just saying it can lead to fan discontent and lengthy threads on message boards. But go ahead and do what you want to do." signed Chris Myers
 
I don't think there is any doubt they're interested. They haven't been able to say as much due to the situation, but there's been enough smoke in the media to tell me there's a fire there.
 
Vinnie said:
I don't think there is any doubt they're interested. They haven't been able to say as much due to the situation, but there's been enough smoke in the media to tell me there's a fire there.
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I dont believe the Texans have said a word.

The smoke has been because Schoebel has repeatedly said he would like to play for us.

A 4-3 DE who wants to live closer to Columbus, TX, we are pretty much his best option
 
Right, but Kubiak nearly slipped up and said something in a training camp press conference when a reporter asked him about the situation. Someone else stopped him before he let any info out.
 
Sounds like he does intend to play. We have the inside track on this given his home, connection to Kollar and our use of the 4-3. All the 3-4 teams (including Dallas) will be out of the running. My guess is he'll give us the last shot to match any offer he gets elsewhere.

The competition for his services will probably be Atlanta, New Orleans and/or Tennessee. All could use a DE with his pass-rush skills (what 4-3 team couldn't?), and it sounds like he doesn't want to be a long way from home. But, again, nobody can match our geography.

If I'm Rick Smith, I'd offer a one year deal with two tiers keyed to the number of snaps he gets. The lower tier applies if, as expected, he's used purely as a pass rush specialist. If injuries force him into an every down role, then he gets into the higher tier. Make sure he'd be happy at the lower tier (so that he won't be upset if he doesn't get enough snaps) and that he understands that the higher tier is there solely to protect him from giving us the windfall of getting every down production in exchange for a specialist's pay.

But make every effort to sign this man. He's absolutely a guy who can help us.
 
Hooston Texan said:
Sounds like he does intend to play. We have the inside track on this given his home, connection to Kollar and our use of the 4-3. All the 3-4 teams (including Dallas) will be out of the running. My guess is he'll give us the last shot to match any offer he gets elsewhere.

The competition for his services will probably be Atlanta, New Orleans and/or Tennessee. All could use a DE with his pass-rush skills (what 4-3 team couldn't?), and it sounds like he doesn't want to be a long way from home. But, again, nobody can match our geography.

If I'm Rick Smith, I'd offer a one year deal with two tiers keyed to the number of snaps he gets. The lower tier applies if, as expected, he's used purely as a pass rush specialist. If injuries force him into an every down role, then he gets into the higher tier. Make sure he'd be happy at the lower tier (so that he won't be upset if he doesn't get enough snaps) and that he understands that the higher tier is there solely to protect him from giving us the windfall of getting every down production in exchange for a specialist's pay.

But make every effort to sign this man. He's absolutely a guy who can help us.
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You are absolutely correct with that !!!
 
He could go to the New Orleans Saints. They play a 4-3 and are relatively close to home for him. Just depends on what the bids are for his services.
 
They were just talking about this on NFL radio, and the two best solutions would be the Patriots and Texans. I think he will have a lot of suitors, its just a matter how much of a hometown discount can we give him.
 
No More 8-8's said:
They were just talking about this on NFL radio, and the two best solutions would be the Patriots and Texans. I think he will have a lot of suitors, its just a matter how much of a hometown discount can we give him.
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You mean it's just a matter of how much of a hometown discount he can give us.
 
No More 8-8's said:
They were just talking about this on NFL radio, and the two best solutions would be the Patriots and Texans. I think he will have a lot of suitors, its just a matter how much of a hometown discount can we give him.
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I think the Patriots run too much 3-4 for his liking. They did run some 4-3 stuff, but not as much as we do.
 
gary said:
Are they? I have heard otherwise.
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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/7138551.html
If the Buffalo Bills release defensive end Aaron Schobel as expected, he will become a free agent.

That means Schobel, a Columbus native, can sign with any team if he decides not to retire and play for a 10th NFL season.

Schobel said this week if he becomes a free agent he would like to play for the Texans.

The Texans can't comment as long as Schobel is under contract.
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Schobel will be a Texan in 24 Hours, I Think

I’m not Adam Schefter but my sources are as solid as ESPN’s sources saying “Bret Favre is retiring”. Multiple reports assert the Bills will cut Aaron Schobel today. Given the fact that the Bills GM is on record saying that they don’t want him on the team and given his huge contract, I am confident the reports are accurate.

Why do I have confidence he’s coming to Houston? Well, I am not always a believer in reports from John McClain. However, yesterday, McClain directly quoted Schobel saying that Houston is the team he wants to play for. McClain doesn’t make up quotes. When he is speculating or trying to fill newspaper/blog space, he will say “I think” or “I’m hearing”… Also, there seems to be some real momentum to this deal.

I think it is a great deal for the Texans. I’m not a guy who usually gets excited about big name free agents and 30+ year old veterans signing with my team but this move would make a ton of sense. The Texans have two pure edge rushers on their entire 80 man roster right now: Connor Barwin and Tim Jamison. Both players are young and somewhat unpolished. Antonio Smith is actually a better interior pass rusher and Mario, though he provides an excellent pass rush, is not a classic edge rusher. (more http://www.texansbullblog.com/schobel-texan-24-hours/news/)
 
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