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Ibar_Harry
All Pro
Actually this and other comments have been why I have stated that Carr should simply move on. I've said its going to be a nightmare for him and his family and he simply doesn't deserve what will happen to him this year in Houston. He could take the Texans to the SB and it would still not be enough.
I also believe this is another reason that Williams should be considered instead of Bush or Young. I think its honestly a viable option and has been on the books for some time just for the above reasons. A mess has been created and there's nothing McNair can do about it.
I believe that owners like Wilson are up in arms over salaries and McNair can gain a few points by popping the salary bubble. The best way to do that is to not take Bush or VY at number 1. He should take Williams and just let the chips fall where they may. That will infuriate most, but it actually might be the best decision in the long run for the team.
I also believe this is another reason that Williams should be considered instead of Bush or Young. I think its honestly a viable option and has been on the books for some time just for the above reasons. A mess has been created and there's nothing McNair can do about it.
I believe that owners like Wilson are up in arms over salaries and McNair can gain a few points by popping the salary bubble. The best way to do that is to not take Bush or VY at number 1. He should take Williams and just let the chips fall where they may. That will infuriate most, but it actually might be the best decision in the long run for the team.
Wolf
100% Texan
Ibar_Harry said:
we are talking about VY here not Brian Griese going to the Dophins(a few years ago) after his dad was a Dolphin great.
seriously..
yes, it is sad the people put in that much support for one player that hasn't played a down in the NFL (who I do like) yet, don't show the support like that for what we have.
JackDizzle said:
Yeah, I guess that's generally true ... but I didn't think it was all shared. I know with the new CBA that the players were lobbying for their cut of jersey sales. I don't think they got it.
There's also the case where one owner in particular has circumvented the rules and established "Pro Shops" off premises like what the Cowboys have done at Rivercenter and Katy Mills. I'm pretty sure that all goes back to Jerry and none is shared.
I don't think Bud has any "Pro Shops" anywhere ... but having thousands of people from the Sixth Ward to Sixth Street donning his colors can't be all that bad for business.
SheTexan
Hall of Fame
Texans_Chick said:
Nor would I Chick!! Look forward to seeing you there!!
Personally, I don't care WHAT College a football player comes from. Strange that I went to a college that didn't have football, but I did. To show up in burndt orange and act like a fool just because you don't get what you want is simple ridiculous!! JMO! Wonder what would happen if I showed up with an A&M banner in support of Kubiac?! Might not make it home alive!! This should not be a college issue at all. This is the NFL, BIG difference!! Again JMO!! I'll be decked out in RED, WHITE, and BLUE and proud of it!!!!
Yankee_In_TX
Dance Lindsay!
This whole situation cracks me up. ONLY in Texas could this happen.
Man, rich people need better things to spend their $ on, like charity.
Man, rich people need better things to spend their $ on, like charity.
GP
Go Texans!
When people don't release their name(s) for stuff like this. all credibility goes out the window.
I think this has the fingerprints of VY and his agency, or at least some very wealthy UT person trying to get their guy over the top.
By the way, I wish I could be at the draft party because I think it's going to be a rowdy event. Smells like an emotional trainwreck waiting to happen. Lots of spilled fuel and explosions. Carnage. Mayhem. Wish I could be there to see it.
I think this has the fingerprints of VY and his agency, or at least some very wealthy UT person trying to get their guy over the top.
By the way, I wish I could be at the draft party because I think it's going to be a rowdy event. Smells like an emotional trainwreck waiting to happen. Lots of spilled fuel and explosions. Carnage. Mayhem. Wish I could be there to see it.
TwinSisters
Veteran
The Chronicle also purchased some high profile real-estate on HoustonTexans.com to hawk the article.
I love it.
I love it.
(Yankee, SheTex, et al.) - If nothing else, the antics at the Draft Party will give us something to chat about at the luncheon on the 3rd! 
Seriously, I'm at about the same point I was before the last presidential election. I'm more interested in the process being OVER than I am about who gets picked. There's too much talent at the top of this draft to really go wrong...unless CC trades us down into oblivion.
Seriously, I'm at about the same point I was before the last presidential election. I'm more interested in the process being OVER than I am about who gets picked. There's too much talent at the top of this draft to really go wrong...unless CC trades us down into oblivion.
The main issue here with the VY crowd is not Bush vs VY, itsIbar_Harry said:
Carr vs VY because Carr stands in the way of what the VY crowd wants -
VY to be the Texans QB. And if anybody is takin besides Young, the VY crowd will be hostile towards Carr because they will say he was the reason
VY wasn't drafted. So taking Williams first, or Ferguson first, etc. will not
appease them for a moment.
TEXANRED
Texan-American
Na, Vince's agent. One last ditch effort for him to try and get the comminssions of a thiry million dollar signing bonus.gwallaia said:The ad was a waste of someone's money. Maybe it was Vince who wrote the letter.
Look at the front of the Texans main page. Who do you see? Mario Williams and Reggie Bush. Who are the onlyl two prospects even being talked to about a contract? Mario Williams and Reggie Bush. So why do people still think there is hope that we will draft Vince?
Riddal me this: What do Vince Young and I have in common?
Answer: The same likelyhood that either one of us will get drafted by the Texans.
Mr. White
Retired OLine Coach
I don't see what the big deal is here. I don't live in Houston so I don't see Chronicle ads and I didn't see this one. From what I've gathered this is in fact a full page ad.
Q: How could the Chronicle allow it?
A: Because it's a business and it runs for a profit. It makes money by selling ads. The same way TV networks run infomercials late at night.
If there's money to be made, they'll try to make it.
I think the bigger deal is that a lot of people on this MB don't agree with the message of the ad. Whether we like it or not, the prevailing opinion around Houston and Texas (not necessarily the real fans) is that the Texans should draft Vince Young.
IMO, this is the last gasp of a lost cause and should be taken with a grain of salt.
Q: How could the Chronicle allow it?
A: Because it's a business and it runs for a profit. It makes money by selling ads. The same way TV networks run infomercials late at night.
If there's money to be made, they'll try to make it.
I think the bigger deal is that a lot of people on this MB don't agree with the message of the ad. Whether we like it or not, the prevailing opinion around Houston and Texas (not necessarily the real fans) is that the Texans should draft Vince Young.
IMO, this is the last gasp of a lost cause and should be taken with a grain of salt.
vtech9
All Pro
I don't know if this is true or not. I think that alot of the people that agree with article, are tired of all of the personal attacks because of their support for Vince, so they just don't comment.Battle Red Bull said:
I see so many derogetory comments from the Bush supporters piled upon anyone that differs with their view, that I very rarely even come to read the boards anymore. I have no problem with disagreeing about something, but the personal attacks need to stop.
TEXANRED
Texan-American
The same could be said for the VY camp when responding to any Bush comment.vtech9 said:
Really the only time I even respond in a negative manner toward another poster is when they get on here and cry and throw temper tantrims saying they will never ever go to another game again and burn there season tickets or say they will become Titan fans or talk about how stupid everyone is for not wanting VY. That is when you get bombarded.
I am not even really in the Bush camp. I see the deffinet upside and get a little tingley when thinking of all the fire power this offense is getting. I am a David Carr supporter, thru and thru.
I like VY. Just not as a Texan. I think he will be very very very successfull in a Raider uni. I hope he goes there cause I like the Raiders.
But thats just my opinion, I have been known to be wrong once or twice.
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
In thinking about this some more, I bet the money behind the ad was Jim "Mattress Mac" MacInvale. It would make sense:
1. He is a big time advertiser.
2. He is a big time Vince fan.
3. He has had Vince do an appearance at Gallery Furniture.
4. From what I understand, he has a lot of Aggie students do work for him when they are on break. After the Rose Bowl, he made his employees, even the Aggies wear Longhorn gear. If you go to Gallery Furniture, you are very likely going to see the Rose Bowl game on the big screen TV as you walk in.
5. He would so want Vince to stay in Houston.
(disclaimer, Gallery Furniture really did save me money).
1. He is a big time advertiser.
2. He is a big time Vince fan.
3. He has had Vince do an appearance at Gallery Furniture.
4. From what I understand, he has a lot of Aggie students do work for him when they are on break. After the Rose Bowl, he made his employees, even the Aggies wear Longhorn gear. If you go to Gallery Furniture, you are very likely going to see the Rose Bowl game on the big screen TV as you walk in.
5. He would so want Vince to stay in Houston.
(disclaimer, Gallery Furniture really did save me money).
TwinSisters
Veteran
I think Vince Young should be awarded the LA Market and given his own team. He already owns Southern California, might as well give him an NFL team to go with it.
houstonbuckeye
Practice Squad
the defense needs help at linebacker and hawk fits the bill. He will come to play at 100% all the time and give the texans defense a heart and soul.
ledzeppelin229
Hall of Fame
edo783 said:
Don't do my fancy toilet paper an injustice such as that. My "Angel Soft" has plenty more uses than the Chronic...and surely feels much better in a direct contest.
aj. said:
Nice job! aj ........I can almost read it. I read the original. If someone is going to spend the money for a full page ad; they should have the guts to give their whole name. I doubt this will hold much sway with Texans FO.This is going to be a football decision....I would ok with Vy only if they didn't reup Carr. Bush is the one unless he wants crazy money.
Erratic Assassin
Rookie
Vince wouldn't even be our second choice. I'm sure a lot of other teams feel the same way.
Sportsfan
Rookie
This morning on 610, McClain admitted it was him, Justice, and Lord that pulled together and put that in the Chronic.
I though he was being sarcastic but then he started being serious about it saying that Justice came up w/the name 'Holly F', a moniker for 'Hall of Fame'. Who know though, i never know w/that guy anymore.
I though he was being sarcastic but then he started being serious about it saying that Justice came up w/the name 'Holly F', a moniker for 'Hall of Fame'. Who know though, i never know w/that guy anymore.
Only in Houston, only in Houston....
Someone's working hard to sway opinion(s) about drafting Young. First this full page ad, then the story breaking about Bush's family and all that jazz...
m'eh, I can see the value in both picks actually. Unfortunately (for the Texans media dept.), we'll either look like a laughing stock in front of the national media (for not picking Bush), or a joke in the local media (for not picking Young).
Someone's working hard to sway opinion(s) about drafting Young. First this full page ad, then the story breaking about Bush's family and all that jazz...
m'eh, I can see the value in both picks actually. Unfortunately (for the Texans media dept.), we'll either look like a laughing stock in front of the national media (for not picking Bush), or a joke in the local media (for not picking Young).
Vinny
shiny happy fan
The Patriots were lambasted for taking Seymour....the Eagles were pounded for taking McNabb...I think you put a bit too much stock in being a laughingstock....you are only a laughingstock if you make a bad pick, and that won't be determined on message boards or by draft grades from the media....its determined on the field.Double Barrel said:
Vinny said:
Considering we're 18-46 in four seasons and have already fired our head coach, I think we're already on the short list for laughing stock. You're right, winning changes everything. Unfortunately, we haven't experienced much of that around here.
I could honestly care less what anyone in the media thinks of our team, but the media does influence what other players/coaches think of us. It's a perspective thing. If our front office looks like they are clueless, which evidence seems to abound the past few years, it makes it that much more expensive to get quality players to come here, IMO.
The national media - for what it's worth - considers Bush a lock pick. I don't put much stock in the media, but the word I'm hearing for the past couple of weeks as I listen to the run up to the draft is that the Texans would be "fools" if they didn't choose Bush.
The local media, for their own reason(s), look at it from the complete opposite perspective.
Personally, I hope the media has absolutely no influence on the process. I'd be completely happy with other players outside of the Bush/Young race.
chuckm
Veteran
Double Barrel said:
I think you're right on in your assessment of the media ..... oh sure we can scan back through history and find many examples of where they were wrong and they'll certainly be wrong again. But nationally Bush is the overwhelming choice for the first pick. In Southeast Texas, Young is the popular choice ...
Vinny said:
I don't recall the national media being almost unanimous in agreement about Rogers, though (maybe a majority, but not the herd mentality we see today with Bush). But, he didn't come with the Heisman and national championship hype, either.
But yeah, that same media.
Like I said earlier, "Unfortunately (for the Texans media dept.),"
Most of us Texans fans could care less about media perception at the end of the day. We'd end up hanging ourselves by now if we cared about it.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Vinny said:
What I recall was a discussion that whichever QB San Fran did not take was likely to tumble and then as the draft approached it became the opinion of most that Smith would go to San Fran so Rogers would be the one to fall. But no they are not infallible.
jerek
Pro Hobbyist
aj. said:I wouldn't miss this one for the world. I'm going to position myself at ground zero and take it all in.... and probably write about it.
Amen to that. I will be there, I hope all of my fellow Texans fans will too. I am hoping for Bush or Mario but refuse to disavow the possibility of a last minute tradedown. After previous trade fiascos we have managed to orchestrate, nothing is unimaginable.
jerek
Pro Hobbyist
Lol, I just read the articles. My favorite is "you need to listen to many people to be able to make really good decisions."
I am sure McNair laughed all the way to the bank about that, reminiscing as he surely must have at all of the "many people" he never listened to on his way to becoming a multi-multi millionaire. After all, if you want what "many other people" have, then you should listen to many other people in the process. In this case, I think it is safe to say Holly F doesn't own, manage, or in any way direct a successful pro football team.
I wonder how many barely literate posts Mr. McNair will be receiving from some of the VY fans on this board (and no, for God's sake, that doesn't mean that all or even most VY fans on this board are illiterate, or that Reggie Bush fans all speak prefekt english, get off it.)
Pro football exists for its fanbase, but thank God people like "Holly F" won't be calling the shots on this one.
I am sure McNair laughed all the way to the bank about that, reminiscing as he surely must have at all of the "many people" he never listened to on his way to becoming a multi-multi millionaire. After all, if you want what "many other people" have, then you should listen to many other people in the process. In this case, I think it is safe to say Holly F doesn't own, manage, or in any way direct a successful pro football team.
I wonder how many barely literate posts Mr. McNair will be receiving from some of the VY fans on this board (and no, for God's sake, that doesn't mean that all or even most VY fans on this board are illiterate, or that Reggie Bush fans all speak prefekt english, get off it.)
Pro football exists for its fanbase, but thank God people like "Holly F" won't be calling the shots on this one.
Rightnow
Waterboy
texanfan2100 said:
You hit the nail on the head! John McClain wants the scoop. Since Vince is from here it will be a snap to write. Just think, a running VY column, full page VY pictorials once a season, love letters to VY, etc. The sports section during football will be dominated by Young info. If we do take Young he will always have a friend in the local press. He could fumble the ball four times and throw six picks in a single game and the local journalists will blame everyone but him.
I wouldn't be too surprised if coverage of Carr turns much more negative this season out of spite. If VY is a success elsewhere I'm sure that we will be able to read about it in the Chronicle. I'd be okay with the Chronicle loving VY so much if it was all about his on the field play, but it isn't.
travfrancis
Waterboy
Neither does McNair.
Bull Pen 1
All Pro
aj. said:I wouldn't miss this one for the world. I'm going to position myself at ground zero and take it all in.... and probably write about it.
Talking about ground O, I'll be going see it Friday in New York City.
BattleRedGuy
Noob
kbourda said:
???????
Carr was given a free pass until the collapse of last year. I don't see that he got a free ride from anybody last year nor will he this year.