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A warning to Chronicle print subscribers

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aj.

All Pro
If you're anything but pro-Vince, make sure you are not mid-gulp of your morning coffee before you turn to page C11 in today's print edition.

If you're pro-Vince, I'm sure you will find it amusing and one more thing to rally around.

Not trying to sell papers here, just a very 'mysterious' full page ad appears in the print edition of Chronicle Sports this morning. No disclosure on who paid for the ad - I assume the Chronicle did it themselves -- or maybe it was "Holly F" who was the author of one of the two highly anonymous "Draft Vince" fan letters to Bob McNair that were blown up to fit one page. Or maybe Mattress Mac, Richard Justice, Rich Lord and John McClain pooled a few bucks....

The content of the letters is nothing special, however, the effect of the full page ad is quite compelling - and will almost certainly stir the emotions of Texas exes everywhere in these final days leading up to the draft. The Texans fan feedback email address, street address, and fax number appear at the bottom of the ad.

I would hope that McNair is steadfast enough to do what he believes is best - whatever that decsion may be - regardless of last minute sway campaigns that mimic pre election day hype and politics.

I wonder if the pro-Bush/pro-Carr camp will get equal time from the Chronic? I guess if someone comes up with the $$$ to cover the cost of a full pager. Any takers?

The Chronicle's sports editor is Fred Faour. His email is fred.faour@chron.com

Chronicle Sports also takes email at sptletters@chron.com

Yes, it's a tired old topic, but this was newsworthy nonetheless.
 
I canceled my subscription to the Chronicle almost two years ago. Got sick and tired of all the pro-Cowboy/Titan news our friend J. McClain was shoving down our throats. Also, because of the Chronicles biased political opinions. Just my way of protesting my dislike for the way our only newspaper publishes news. During football season I pick up a paper on Monday morning and Fridays, mainly to check stuff for my fantacy football team. Other than that, I get news off the internet or TV, and this MB!:)
 
I saw it early this morning, and almost upchucked my oatmeal. I have two words for you. This has his fingerprints all over it - Mattress Mack. :spy:
 
To whoever has the money to blow on something as ridiculous as what I read this morning, do you mind buying me a house, car, steamboat, a bag of cracker jacks, and giving up your suite at the stadium to me when we don't draft Vince?

What kind of person wastes money on something like this? Those full page ads are A LOT of money, and like it or not, this has NO BEARING on what goes on inside Reliant Stadium. I like the passion, but completely dumb move on so many different levels.

If you're going to do something like this, make sure you add why we should take vince over reggie besides saYing reggie is "a good player"

If whoever did that reads these boards, I would like you to fulfill my request for things, especially the suite in the stadium, that i have posted above.

Signed,

Everyone
 
Vinny said:
Oh yeah, VY baby, VY!!! Keep the hope alive!
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Yeah, I was wondering if you and Rich Lord were one and the same.:rolleyes:

It's not often anymore when I sit at the breakfast table on Sunday morning, and while reading the sports page, I see something that makes me yell out loud, "You got to be ******in kidding me!", and my wife, startled, asks what's wrong, and I show her, and she gulps, and repeats "You got to be ******in kidding me!"

This is a low-life move for the Chronic to allow something like this. I hope the feedback they get will make them happy.:mad:
 
Marcus said:
Yeah, I was wondering if you and Rich Lord were one and the same.:rolleyes:
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Why is that? I really think he is the elite prospect in this draft but I don't start threads about it...I don't post redundantly about it....does it really hurt you that much to see a contrary opinion from me that doesn't run with the pack? Why must one (or some) of the posters have to think like everyone else?
 
aj. said:
If you're anything but pro-Vince, make sure you are not mid-gulp of your morning coffee before you turn to page C11 in today's print edition.

If you're pro-Vince, I'm sure you will find it amusing and one more thing to rally around.

Not trying to sell papers here, just a very 'mysterious' full page ad appears in the print edition of Chronicle Sports this morning. No disclosure on who paid for the ad - I assume the Chronicle did it themselves -- or maybe it was "Holly F" who was the author of one of the two highly anonymous "Draft Vince" fan letters to Bob McNair that were blown up to fit one page. Or maybe Mattress Mac, Richard Justice, Rich Lord and John McClain pooled a few bucks....

The content of the letters is nothing special, however, the effect of the full page ad could be quite compelling - and will almost certainly stir the emotions of Texas exes everywhere in these final days leading up to the draft. The Texans fan feedback email address, street address, and fax number appear at the bottom of the ad.

I would hope that McNair is steadfast enough to do what he believes is best - whatever that decsion may be - regardless of last minute sway campaigns that mimic pre election day hype and politics.

I wonder if the pro-Bush/pro-Carr camp will get equal time from the Chronic? I guess if someone comes up with the $$$ to cover the cost of a full pager. Any takers?

The Chronicle's sports editor is Fred Faour. His email is fred.faour@chron.com

Chronicle Sports also takes email at sptletters@chron.com

Yes, it's a tired old topic, but this was newsworthy nonetheless.
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I about fell out of my chair when I read that this morning. I'm going to say that "Holly F" doesn't exist. This is probably something the chronicle printed themselves. If you've noticed, every chronicle writer is extremely pro-Vince. I have a theory about this. If Vince comes to Houston, the "journalists" practically have all their stories written for them. They also sell more papers because all the t-sips want to read about Vince. If anthing else happens with the pick, the writers actually have to work to write their stories, and the chronicle doesn't sell as many papers. The chronicle has an extremely vested interest in getting Vince Young in a Texans uniform. I understand this, but wish they could be a little more discrete about it.

If someone actually did write this, get over it. The world will go on without Vince Young in Houston, Texas. And the football team will be better for it.
 
Come on 4/30/06 . I think at this point if the Texans draft Vince then their more concerned about a popularity contest than football .
 
The ad was a waste of someone's money. Maybe it was Vince who wrote the letter.:worm:
 
I responded to the email posted in the paper. I said "please dont listen to amatuers who know nothing about evaluating talent." I am not saying VW does not have talent what I am saying is I hope they will get whoever will help this team the most. It probaly dont matter any way, if i had to oversee all the emails they get i would wear out the delete key on my computer.
 
Vinny said:
Why is that? I really think he is the elite prospect in this draft but I don't start threads about it...I don't post redundantly about it....does it really hurt you that much to see a contrary opinion from me that doesn't run with the pack? Why must one (or some) of the posters have to think like everyone else?
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It was the "Keep Hope Alive" quote that I was razzing you about Vinny. Those are the words Rich Lord always uses anymore when the discussion of Vince comes up.

I actually do respect your opinion that VY would be the better choice.:shocked But stay away from Rich Lord, Vinny . . puleeese!
 
I don't usually buy the Sunday paper, but I'll make an exception today. It sounds like something that will make me smile.
 
Marcus said:
It was the "Keep Hope Alive" quote that I was razzing you about Vinny. Those are the words Rich Lord always uses anymore when the discussion of Vince comes up.

I actually do respect your opinion that VY would be the better choice.:shocked But stay away from Rich Lord, Vinny . . puleeese!
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I'm not big on Rich Lord, but people need to get over others having differing opinions. I'm very excited and very pumped for the draft but some of you guys just bring me down when I see the posts demeaning people who are not all on the same page (not talking to you directly here) due to pack mentality. Honestly, I don't think we draft Young but I haven't changed my mind since I last watched last years College football season. I think he will be the freak of this draft in a few years. No amount of rationalizations will change it unless they play some more games so I can change my opinion based on actual football played on a football field.
 
Because I live out of state, I have not seen the ad. Are people getting upset that a full page ad was taken out that is campaigning to draft Young, or is there more to it that I am missing?
 
Tulip said:
P.S. - Bud Adams must be enjoying his Sunday morning coffee and paper.
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Of course he is because all he sees are the $,$$$,$$$'s in jersey sales that he will reap from within Bob McNair's home market.

SheTexan said:
I canceled my subscription to the Chronicle almost two years ago. ... Also, because of the Chronicles biased political opinions.
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Concur on the politics. A good example is today's leading story in the op-ed section. A story calling the Republican Party (God's Own Party - the GOP) the "first religious party in US history, and that the party is nothing more than a bunch of "biblical captives." Uh...okay. Fox news can't get far enough to the right to balance some of the stuff that appears on those pages. Naturally, the Washington Post was the first paper to pick up that article..
 
Texans Pride said:
Because I live out of state, I have not seen the ad. Are people getting upset that a full page ad was taken out that is campaigning to draft Young, or is there more to it that I am missing?
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...and Big Wig


It's really nothing special to look at and I don't think anyone is upset .... we are probably the only ones who are publicly debating it (until tomorrow when it hits the mainstream local sports talk radio).

The ad is 60% blank space with two pro-Vince fan letters centered on the page, with the theme "do the right thing Mr. McNair." .....and not signed or attributed to anyone.... totally anonymous but it reeks of Chronicle self interest. I think if it was Mac, he would have put his GF banner on the page with a bunch of stars and stripes and other ****.

It's the fact that someone (or the Chronicle itself) ran a full pager in the Sunday edition before the draft that hit me...
 
Well at least we know there is a slim chance we could have a Longhorn at the helm one day!
 
I sure hope our First Aid camp has plenty of valium, prozac, band-aids, jack and coke, SOMETHING ready for all the disappointed VY fans come next Sat!!

I think I might have to borrow TEDC's hard hat! Might get nasty at Reliant after RB becomes our newest TEXAN!!:redtowel: I'm not real sure how all these VY fans will react!! Should I be scared??:hide: :club:
 
aj. said:
Of course he is because all he sees are the $,$$$,$$$'s in jersey sales that he will reap from within Bob McNair's home market.
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Yeah, and I can hardly blame him. It just strengthens his remaining presence in the Houston market.
 
BigWig said:
Well at least we know there is a slim chance we could have a Longhorn at the helm one day!
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God I hope you are not advocating we bring Wacky Mack to Houston, I would prefer Colts, Titans, Jags or Cowboys hire him...will make watching them implode all that much more fun. I have never been a Mack fan, think in his decision making he coaches more like Johnny Mackovic (and we know what a great college/NFL coach he was). :brickwall
 
I will be skipping the Texan Draft Party. When Bush is selected, there will be alot of angry people wearing burnt orange t-shirts.
 
I'm curious how far this thread will go before it deteriorates into a worthless pile of megabytes like all the rest. I'll set the over/under at 35.
 
Tulip said:
Yeah, and I can hardly blame him. It just strengthens his remaining presence in the Houston market.
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Well, Bud could strengthen the Titans presence in the LA market by selecting Leinart. And LA is a slightly larger market than H-town.

P.S. That ad reeks of MM. I'm sure he has an endorsement deal with Vince in his back pocket.
 
gwallaia said:
I will be skipping the Texan Draft Party. When Bush is selected, there will be alot of angry people wearing burnt orange t-shirts.
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I wouldn't miss this one for the world. I'm going to position myself at ground zero and take it all in.... and probably write about it. :cool:
 
Lucky said:
Well, Bud could strengthen the Titans presense in the LA market by selecting Leinart. And LA is a slightly larger market than H-town.

P.S. That ad reeks of MM. I'm sure he has an endorsement deal with Vince in his back pocket.
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I have nothing to base this on other than a gut feel but I think the revenue from VY jersey sales in Texas will surpass Leinart jersey sales in LA.
 
aj. said:
I wouldn't miss this one for the world. I'm going to position myself at ground zero and take it all in.... and probably write about it. :cool:
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Looking forward to your aticle.:dancing:
 
Lucky said:
Well, Bud could strengthen the Titans presense in the LA market by selecting Leinart. And LA is a slightly larger market than H-town.
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Bud's team didn't reside in LA for 35+ years, so I'm not sure how he would get the same advantage.
 
aj. said:
I have nothing to base this on other than a gut feel but I think the revenue from VY jersey sales in Texas will surpass Leinart jersey sales in LA.
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Yeah, well, there's that too.
 
Tulip said:
Bud's team didn't reside in LA for 35+ years, so I'm not sure how he would get the same advantage.
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I may be different, but the Titans don't reflect Houston to me anymore, I don't think of McNair as an oiler anymore than I think of Sharper,Glenn, or Coleman (for example) as a Texan..
But back when it was McNair,George,Mathews, (and the list goes on) it stung watching them


As far as the ad goes, It is nice to show support, yet I wish some of the people would have shown at least half the enthusiasm (like the ad in the paper) for the Texans to get an OL for Carr.
 
aj. said:
I have nothing to base this on other than a gut feel but I think the revenue from VY jersey sales in Texas will surpass Leinart jersey sales in LA.
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I agree w/ that
 
gwallaia said:
I will be skipping the Texan Draft Party. When Bush is selected, there will be alot of angry people wearing burnt orange t-shirts.
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I don't quite understand why the fans with burnt orange t-shirts would want to go someplace where they know their going to be disappointed. Especially if Bush is already signed to a contract before the draft begins.
 
Tulip said:
Bud's team didn't reside in LA for 35+ years, so I'm not sure how he would get the same advantage.
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I'm just talking about marketing the player. I don't really understand what else you are referring to. And if catering to marketing is a concern (not saying it is or should be), my gut tells me to go with the player from the larger market.

Besides, Bush jersey sales will dwarf those of Young and Leinart. Take that, Bud!
 
Wolf said:
I may be different, but the Titans don't reflect Houston to me anymore, I don't think of McNair as an oiler anymore than I think of Sharper,Glenn, or Coleman (for example) as a Texan..
But back when it was McNair,George,Mathews, (and the list goes on) it stung watching them
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There are still a lot of Titans fans in Houston, #9 fans especially, but the ranks have dwindled with the exodus of almost all of our old players and their poor record of late. Bud will regain some of that lost foothold by drafting #10.
 
Wolf said:
I may be different, but the Titans don't reflect Houston to me anymore, I don't think of McNair as an oiler anymore than I think of Sharper,Glenn, or Coleman (for example) as a Texan..
But back when it was McNair,George,Mathews, (and the list goes on) it stung watching them
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All I know is that I've attended four Texans/Titans games at Reliant, and there are already enough Titans jerseys there to make me pause. Add Vince Young into the mix, and there will too much columbia blue and navy blue for me to stomach.
 
Marcus said:
I don't quite understand why the fans with burnt orange t-shirts would want to go someplace where they know their going to be disappointed. Especially if Bush is already signed to a contract before the draft begins.
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exactly and even if we don't sign Bush beforehand
Carr,Rosenfels, Ragone.... that should say enough to say we won't take a QB in first few rounds.

could you imagine the UT fans if we took Reggie McNeal in the 2nd day.. hhmmmm :stirpot:


I will be suprised if we don't take a late round QB ,seems to be a trend
 
Tulip said:
All I know is that I've attended four Texans/Titans games at Reliant, and there are already enough Titans jerseys there to make me pause. Add Vince Young into the mix, and there will too much columbia blue and navy blue for me to stomach.
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you got me on that one, I never have had the opportunity to go to a Texan-Titans game to see it live and see what people are wearing.
 
Marcus said:
I don't quite understand why the fans with burnt orange t-shirts would want to go someplace where they know their going to be disappointed. .
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Since the event is crawling with media, maybe to show their anger and frustration in a highly visible way?
 
Yeah, that was a pretty bold move by someone out there. Surprised a "reputable" newspaper would do something like that. Couldn't find the link, but those out of town... (excuse typos, if any)

Dear Mr. McNair,
Thank you for your personal note to season ticket holders about the disappointment the Texans experienced last season. Hiring Dan Reeves (touchdown pass in the ice bowl) is a great start. However, you need to listen to many people to really make great decisions.

I have been following pro football in Texas since 1960 when the Cowboys, original Texans, and Oilers started operations. It is my opinion that the current Texans are not taking calculated risks to get much better. They take the easy way out. By making lower risk decisions the rewards have a lower impact. Luck is when preparation meet opportunity. Still you must jump on the opportunity. The quarterbak is te most improtant position to lead your team. A great quarterback comes along once every 5 years. Seize the opportunity and draft Vince Young.

People may say that he has not developed enough as compared to Bush. However, who has more potential to get the players, coaches, and fans excited about every play? Any great offensive coordinator would love to draw up plays for Vince to run. Who would worry a defensive coordinator the most Bush or Vince? Roger Staubach was a runner like VInce and he won the Super Bowl. Just like Bob Hayes (Cowboys) changed the way recievers were covered, Vince Young will change the way defenses are played. Also, I am sure that neither Bud Adams nor Jerry Jones would pass on drafting Vince Young.

For the rest of your life, people will be talking about your decision. Draft Vince Young.

Regards, Holly F.
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from the Chronicle, page C11 - April 23rd, 2006.
 
Marcus said:
Yeah, I was wondering if you and Rich Lord were one and the same.:rolleyes:
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I'm told that RL did basically the same thing 'back about 1990 or so when
Andre Ware came out of U of H, so his whole agenda for VY is nothing origional - not the first time, probably won't tbe the last he gets silly over a local jock to kiss up to a significant portion of the 610 audience.
I'm not too concerned about McNair being swayed by things like this, but if he somehow was it would really devalue my opinion of him as the Texans' owner and a business man. If anybody thinks there's controversy now, it would be nothing, absolutely nothing compared to what he'd have if Carr and
VY were both on the roster together.
And think of what it would do to undercut the authority and confidence of his
new HC, whos solidly on board with Carr as his QB according to his own remarks which were widely recorded. And ultimately, Carr + Reggie is just
more valuable to the Texans than VY.
 
... and for the 2nd half of the same page....

When Vince Young led UT to the national championship, it brought everyone in Texas together. The streets of Houston were empty during the Rose Bowl. How often do the sports teams of Houston get to draft a local hero? Earl Cambell and Hakeem Olajuwon were both very successful choices. Houston has a chance to get another great hometown hero.

The NFL draft is about a week away and the Texans have the first draft choice. Mr. McNair and his advisors currently think that Reggie Bush is the best choice. While Reggie is a great player, I think that Vince Young would be the best for the Texans in many ways. The only reason for McNair to draft Vince is to drmatically improve the Texans. If you have an opinion, good facts, or historical reasons to draft Vince, please let Mr. McNair hear from you. Currently, almost all the press is convinced that Vince was good in two Bowl games but that he has liited great QB potential.

If you are a fan, explain why drafting Vince would be a good decision for the fans.. If you are a businessman, explain why drafting Vince is a good business decision. If you are an NFL insider, get quotes from former NFL players and coachews.

This is our opportunity to make a difference in our football team, the Houston Texans. Send letters, emial, and petitions to the Texans. Be sure to explain your reasoning.
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Then goes on to give the email, fax, and address of the Texans... interestingly - that one wasn't signed.
 
aj. said:
I wouldn't miss this one for the world. I'm going to position myself at ground zero and take it all in.... and probably write about it. :cool:
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I wouldn't miss either. I am actually pretty interested to watch how this draft works out. And I am working on getting the perfect lucky draft outfit together because it can't hurt.

I am guessing one of the numerous rich UT alums of the Houston area paid for the ad. Joe Jamail could buy something like this just as easy as buying a cuppa coffee.
 
aj. said:
Of course he is because all he sees are the $,$$$,$$$'s in jersey sales that he will reap from within Bob McNair's home market.
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Isn't all NFL licensed apparel revenue split equally among teams with the exception of things sold inside the stadium?
 
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